Nikon D5000/D3000 series

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T56270

D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses

06-Jun-18 01:52 AM by mcurrie Posted 15-Apr-09 10:37 AM by Asgard Administrator He is your Chief Guardian Angel at the Helpdesk and knows a lot about a lot Ribbon awarded for his continuous help to members

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	User	01st Jun 2012	1
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	User	10th Jun 2012	2
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	Leonard62	10th Jun 2012	4
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	User	15th Dec 2014	28
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	Covey22	15th Dec 2014	29
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	User	16th Dec 2014	31
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	sl01	16th Dec 2014	30
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	User	16th Dec 2014	32
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	Leonard62	10th Jun 2012	3
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	KirkDNA	03rd Apr 2014	22
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	kenjifujiwara	10th Jan 2013	11
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	rjpg	22nd Apr 2015	34
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	obrunomartins	22nd Jun 2012	5
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	Asgard	22nd Jun 2012	6
RE: D5000/5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lenses	CPR	02nd May 2014	26
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	swmi240	07th Jul 2012	7
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	User	15th Sep 2012	8
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	redwriter99	15th Oct 2012	9
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	User	22nd Oct 2012	10
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense	mcurrie	06th Jun 2018	39
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	NATASHAMPHOTO	17th Jan 2013	12
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	Leonard62	18th Jan 2013	13
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	User	26th Feb 2013	14
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	TazmanianRhonda	15th Mar 2013	15
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	MEMcD	16th Mar 2013	16
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	TazmanianRhonda	16th Mar 2013	17
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	MEMcD	17th Mar 2013	18
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	buffumjr	08th Jun 2013	19
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	User	15th Feb 2014	20
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	MEMcD	15th Feb 2014	21
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	jglazener	26th Apr 2014	23
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	Fortkentdad	26th Apr 2014	24
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	jglazener	26th Apr 2014	25
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	Fortkentdad	03rd May 2014	27
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	cristo	16th Dec 2014	33
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense...	GavinJ	29th Aug 2016	35
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense	theisabella	11th Oct 2017	36
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense	MEMcD	12th Oct 2017	37
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense	mcurrie	06th Jun 2018	40
RE: D5000/D5100/D3000/D3100 - Fully Compatible AF-Lense	ratfancy	05th Jun 2018	38

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T74

D5100 flash issues in auto mode

17-Jul-19 01:53 PM by MEMcD Posted 10-Jul-19 12:33 PM by Agee57 Silver Member

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	10th Jul 2019	1
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	Agee57	10th Jul 2019	3
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	10th Jul 2019	2
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	Agee57	10th Jul 2019	4
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	10th Jul 2019	5
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	Agee57	10th Jul 2019	6
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	10th Jul 2019	7
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	Agee57	16th Jul 2019	8
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	16th Jul 2019	9
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	Agee57	16th Jul 2019	10
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	16th Jul 2019	11
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	Agee57	16th Jul 2019	12
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	16th Jul 2019	13
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	Agee57	16th Jul 2019	14
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	16th Jul 2019	15
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	16th Jul 2019	16
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	mcurrie	17th Jul 2019	17
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	Agee57	17th Jul 2019	18
RE: D5100 flash issues in auto mode	MEMcD	17th Jul 2019	19

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T10

D5300 external mic question

10-Jul-19 11:36 AM by MEMcD Posted 09-Jul-19 02:10 PM by Scottzr

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: D5300 external mic question	MEMcD	10th Jul 2019	1

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T58

Lens compatibility for D5100

07-Jul-19 08:44 AM by MEMcD Posted 06-Jul-19 09:24 AM by Agee57 Silver Member

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Lens compatibility for D5100	DaveP142	06th Jul 2019	1
RE: Lens compatibility for D5100	mcurrie	06th Jul 2019	2
RE: Lens compatibility for D5100	Agee57	06th Jul 2019	4
RE: Lens compatibility for D5100	MEMcD	07th Jul 2019	6
RE: Lens compatibility for D5100	Agee57	06th Jul 2019	3
RE: Lens compatibility for D5100	Aperture_Don	06th Jul 2019	5

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T118

Nikon D3300

25-Jun-19 04:33 PM by MEMcD Posted 23-Jun-19 06:40 PM by rakeshbzaveri

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Nikon D3300	elec164	23rd Jun 2019	1
RE: Nikon D3300	jec6613	23rd Jun 2019	2
RE: Nikon D3300	MEMcD	24th Jun 2019	3
RE: Nikon D3300	Asgard	24th Jun 2019	4
RE: Nikon D3300	hendo55	24th Jun 2019	5
RE: Nikon D3300	rakeshbzaveri	24th Jun 2019	6
RE: Nikon D3300	DaveP142	25th Jun 2019	7
RE: Nikon D3300	hendo55	25th Jun 2019	8
RE: Nikon D3300	MEMcD	25th Jun 2019	9

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T133

Focus problem

02-Jun-19 01:36 AM by Bullet1954 Posted 01-Jun-19 12:17 PM by Bullet1954 Silver Member

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Focus problem	jec6613	01st Jun 2019	1
RE: Focus problem	Bullet1954	01st Jun 2019	4
RE: Focus problem	Strada_Facendo	01st Jun 2019	2
RE: Focus problem	Bullet1954	01st Jun 2019	7
RE: Focus problem	MEMcD	01st Jun 2019	3
RE: Focus problem	Bullet1954	01st Jun 2019	5
RE: Focus problem	jec6613	01st Jun 2019	6
RE: Focus problem	Bullet1954	01st Jun 2019	9
RE: Focus problem	MEMcD	01st Jun 2019	8
RE: Focus problem	Bullet1954	01st Jun 2019	10
RE: Focus problem	elec164	01st Jun 2019	11
RE: Focus problem	Bullet1954	02nd Jun 2019	12

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T260

Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?

27-May-19 05:36 PM by jec6613 Posted 20-Oct-18 10:36 PM by avigar Silver Member

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	MEMcD	21st Oct 2018	1
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	blw	21st Oct 2018	2
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	avigar	21st Oct 2018	3
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	LE49Wat	10th Nov 2018	4
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	blw	10th Nov 2018	5
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	LE49Wat	10th Nov 2018	6
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	ericbowles	12th Nov 2018	7
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	LE49Wat	12th Nov 2018	8
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	Tomhol	25th May 2019	9
RE: Any new rumors on the D5600 successor?	jec6613	27th May 2019	10

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T126

Default focus D5600

27-May-19 09:23 AM by mcurrie Posted 24-May-19 09:04 PM by mary kay

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Default focus D5600	MEMcD	24th May 2019	1
RE: Default focus D5600	mary kay	24th May 2019	2
RE: Default focus D5600	MEMcD	25th May 2019	3
RE: Default focus D5600	mcurrie	25th May 2019	4
RE: Default focus D5600	mary kay	25th May 2019	5
RE: Default focus D5600	MEMcD	25th May 2019	6
RE: Default focus D5600	mary kay	26th May 2019	7
RE: Default focus D5600	MEMcD	26th May 2019	8
RE: Default focus D5600	mcurrie	27th May 2019	12
RE: Default focus D5600	mklass	26th May 2019	9
RE: Default focus D5600	mary kay	26th May 2019	10
RE: Default focus D5600	MEMcD	26th May 2019	11

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T83

D5300 battery recommendations

24-May-19 07:03 AM by Scottzr Posted 22-May-19 10:42 PM by Scottzr

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: D5300 battery recommendations	jec6613	22nd May 2019	1
RE: D5300 battery recommendations	Scottzr	23rd May 2019	2
RE: D5300 battery recommendations	MEMcD	23rd May 2019	3
RE: D5300 battery recommendations	DaveP142	24th May 2019	4
RE: D5300 battery recommendations	MEMcD	24th May 2019	5
RE: D5300 battery recommendations	Scottzr	24th May 2019	6

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T58

There's an app for that?? I hope D3300

23-May-19 08:22 PM by MEMcD Posted 21-May-19 03:05 PM by jokersloose68

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: There's an app for that?? I hope D3300	MEMcD	23rd May 2019	1

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T70

Manual controls in live view mode

23-May-19 12:27 AM by mcurrie Posted 22-May-19 04:15 AM by nickey301

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Manual controls in live view mode	DaveP142	22nd May 2019	1
RE: Manual controls in live view mode	mcurrie	23rd May 2019	2

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T88

Please check out my gallery...

19-May-19 05:23 AM by MEMcD Posted 18-May-19 04:03 PM by jokersloose68

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Please check out my gallery...	Asgard	18th May 2019	1
RE: Please check out my gallery...	mklass	18th May 2019	2
RE: Please check out my gallery...	MEMcD	19th May 2019	3

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T70

Upgraded :D

18-May-19 05:50 AM by DaveP142 Posted 17-May-19 10:55 PM by jokersloose68

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Upgraded :D	MEMcD	17th May 2019	1
RE: Upgraded :D	DaveP142	18th May 2019	2

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T308

D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300

12-May-19 12:25 AM by MEMcD Posted 07-Mar-19 09:43 PM by Aperture_Don Silver Member

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	MEMcD	08th Mar 2019	1
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	Aperture_Don	08th Mar 2019	2
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	Aperture_Don	09th Mar 2019	3
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	Aperture_Don	10th Mar 2019	4
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	MEMcD	18th Mar 2019	5
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	Aperture_Don	18th Mar 2019	6
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	DaveP142	18th Mar 2019	7
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	Aperture_Don	18th Mar 2019	8
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	Aperture_Don	08th May 2019	9
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	MEMcD	09th May 2019	10
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	Aperture_Don	10th May 2019	11
RE: D3500 & the AF-P 18-55 & AF-P 70-300	MEMcD	12th May 2019	12

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T54

Eyecup

10-May-19 02:28 PM Posted 10-May-19 02:28 PM by mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, ... Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Ribbon awarded for his most generous donation in 2017 Ribbon awarded for his very generous support to the 2017-2018 fundraising campaign

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T60

Focus Indicator in view finder?

09-May-19 06:12 PM by MEMcD Posted 08-May-19 07:45 PM by jokersloose68

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Focus Indicator in view finder?	mcurrie	08th May 2019	1
RE: Focus Indicator in view finder?	MEMcD	09th May 2019	2

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T72

HDR? D3000

08-May-19 07:39 AM by jokersloose68 Posted 07-May-19 02:36 PM by jokersloose68

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: HDR? D3000	esantos	07th May 2019	1
RE: HDR? D3000	mcurrie	07th May 2019	2
RE: HDR? D3000	BChrisRad	07th May 2019	3
RE: HDR? D3000	jokersloose68	08th May 2019	4

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T132

Big Boy Steam Train

06-May-19 01:27 PM by dm1dave Posted 04-May-19 12:07 AM by jokersloose68

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Big Boy Steam Train	MEMcD	04th May 2019	1
RE: Big Boy Steam Train	NumberTenGI	04th May 2019	2
RE: Big Boy Steam Train	jokersloose68	05th May 2019	3
RE: Big Boy Steam Train	MEMcD	06th May 2019	4
RE: Big Boy Steam Train	jokersloose68	06th May 2019	5
RE: Big Boy Steam Train	MEMcD	06th May 2019	6
RE: Big Boy Steam Train	jokersloose68	06th May 2019	7
RE: Big Boy Steam Train	dm1dave	06th May 2019	8

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T190

Glitch in D3400?

08-Apr-19 03:31 PM by MEMcD Posted 05-Apr-19 01:18 PM by DragonExpat

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Glitch in D3400?	MEMcD	05th Apr 2019	1
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DaveP142	05th Apr 2019	2
RE: Glitch in D3400?	mcurrie	05th Apr 2019	3
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	06th Apr 2019	6
RE: Glitch in D3400?	mcurrie	06th Apr 2019	7
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	06th Apr 2019	10
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	06th Apr 2019	5
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DaveP142	06th Apr 2019	8
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	06th Apr 2019	4
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	06th Apr 2019	9
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DaveP142	06th Apr 2019	11
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	06th Apr 2019	12
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DaveP142	07th Apr 2019	13
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DaveP142	07th Apr 2019	14
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	07th Apr 2019	15
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DaveP142	07th Apr 2019	17
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	07th Apr 2019	16
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DaveP142	07th Apr 2019	18
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DragonExpat	07th Apr 2019	19
RE: Glitch in D3400?	mcurrie	07th Apr 2019	20
RE: Glitch in D3400?	DaveP142	07th Apr 2019	21
RE: Glitch in D3400?	mcurrie	07th Apr 2019	22
RE: Glitch in D3400?	MEMcD	08th Apr 2019	23

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T87

Help

01-Apr-19 05:20 PM by MEMcD Posted 01-Apr-19 04:08 PM by G0nef1sh1ng

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Help	MEMcD	01st Apr 2019	1
RE: Help	G0nef1sh1ng	01st Apr 2019	3
RE: Help	MEMcD	01st Apr 2019	4
RE: Help	BChrisRad	01st Apr 2019	2

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T92

D5600 and Yongnuo YN560 IV

29-Mar-19 04:58 PM by MEMcD Posted 28-Mar-19 11:38 AM by rossierob

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: D5600 and Yongnuo YN560 IV	MEMcD	28th Mar 2019	1
RE: D5600 and Yongnuo YN560 IV	MEMcD	28th Mar 2019	2
RE: D5600 and Yongnuo YN560 IV	rossierob	29th Mar 2019	3
RE: D5600 and Yongnuo YN560 IV	MEMcD	29th Mar 2019	4

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T81

Camera bag recommendation for D5300 1-2 lenses

26-Mar-19 02:19 PM by MEMcD Posted 26-Mar-19 03:14 PM by Photo_Art_W Silver Member Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014

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T85

D5200 file numbering

23-Mar-19 04:34 PM by AusPhotoMan Posted 22-Mar-19 11:10 PM by AusPhotoMan

Replies to this topic:

Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: D5200 file numbering	MEMcD	23rd Mar 2019	1
RE: D5200 file numbering	AusPhotoMan	23rd Mar 2019	2
RE: D5200 file numbering	MEMcD	23rd Mar 2019	3
RE: D5200 file numbering	AusPhotoMan	23rd Mar 2019	4

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T158

Need a camera

02-Mar-19 05:02 PM by MEMcD Posted 01-Mar-19 05:34 PM by Apilady

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Need a camera	mcurrie	01st Mar 2019	1
RE: Need a camera	Apilady	01st Mar 2019	2
RE: Need a camera	f11	01st Mar 2019	3
RE: Need a camera	MEMcD	02nd Mar 2019	4
RE: Need a camera	Apilady	02nd Mar 2019	5
RE: Need a camera	tegel	02nd Mar 2019	6
RE: Need a camera	Apilady	02nd Mar 2019	7
RE: Need a camera	mcurrie	02nd Mar 2019	8
RE: Need a camera	MEMcD	02nd Mar 2019	9

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T271

Manual Mode exposure

26-Feb-19 10:44 AM by ajdooley Posted 30-Jan-19 09:33 PM by kmarangell Silver Member

Replies to this topic:

Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Manual Mode exposure	esantos	30th Jan 2019	1
RE: Manual Mode exposure	kmarangell	30th Jan 2019	2
RE: Manual Mode exposure	elec164	30th Jan 2019	3
RE: Manual Mode exposure	MEMcD	31st Jan 2019	4
RE: Manual Mode exposure	esantos	31st Jan 2019	5
RE: Manual Mode exposure	elec164	31st Jan 2019	6
RE: Manual Mode exposure	kmarangell	31st Jan 2019	7
RE: Manual Mode exposure	Snake 1950	03rd Feb 2019	8
RE: Manual Mode exposure	elec164	03rd Feb 2019	9
RE: Manual Mode exposure	mcurrie	03rd Feb 2019	10
RE: Manual Mode exposure	mcurrie	03rd Feb 2019	11
RE: Manual Mode exposure	elec164	03rd Feb 2019	12
RE: Manual Mode exposure	MEMcD	05th Feb 2019	13
RE: Manual Mode exposure	ajdooley	26th Feb 2019	14

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T120

What's your favorite?

24-Feb-19 12:54 PM by LE49Wat Posted 23-Feb-19 12:14 PM by LE49Wat Silver Member

Replies to this topic:

Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: What's your favorite?	mcurrie	23rd Feb 2019	1
RE: What's your favorite?	LE49Wat	24th Feb 2019	3
RE: What's your favorite?	MEMcD	24th Feb 2019	2
RE: What's your favorite?	LE49Wat	24th Feb 2019	4

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T115

Ton of Question...D3000

22-Feb-19 10:58 PM by mcurrie Posted 21-Feb-19 08:53 PM by jokersloose68

Replies to this topic:

Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Ton of Question...D3000	MEMcD	21st Feb 2019	1
RE: Ton of Question...D3000	mcurrie	21st Feb 2019	2
RE: Ton of Question...D3000	MEMcD	22nd Feb 2019	3
RE: Ton of Question...D3000	jokersloose68	22nd Feb 2019	4
RE: Ton of Question...D3000	MEMcD	22nd Feb 2019	5
RE: Ton of Question...D3000	jokersloose68	22nd Feb 2019	6
RE: Ton of Question...D3000	MEMcD	22nd Feb 2019	7
RE: Ton of Question...D3000	mcurrie	22nd Feb 2019	8

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T77

Personal challenge--update

22-Feb-19 12:55 PM by LE49Wat Posted 21-Feb-19 08:11 PM by LE49Wat Silver Member

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
RE: Personal challenge--update	MEMcD	21st Feb 2019	1
RE: Personal challenge--update	LE49Wat	21st Feb 2019	2
RE: Personal challenge--update	mcurrie	22nd Feb 2019	3
RE: Personal challenge--update	LE49Wat	22nd Feb 2019	4