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walk43 Gold Member Nikonian since 07th Feb 2012Wed 16-Jan-13 12:54 AM
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"28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
Wed 16-Jan-13 01:20 AM by walk43

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Again I am asking for a little help and opinions.

Has anyone tested the 70-300VR against the 28-300VR on their V1?? I know that the V1/FT1 survey of favorite lenses has the 70-300 as one of the favorites, I but would like to hear from someone who has used both (and who are pixel peepers). I have the 28-300 and sold my 70-300 when I got it. Now with my V1, I want to have one lens that I use on the V1 for long hand-held/monopod shots when I am on a walk-about.

The 70-300 is rated very highly by most folks (and DXO)and I liked mine a lot on my D90. But I never compared the two lenses. I have not been real happy with the results of the 28-300 on my D800 (it's ok but not great) and am not thrilled with it on the V1 either. So I have a bit of a dilema.

On the V1 my best lenses for quality and sharpness are the 70-200 VR and the 300 f/4. But I am preferring something lighter and/or more versatile on the V1 when I am in the field. I know that the range with the 70-300 on the V1 will be 189-810 and that's ok for birding and wildlife....which is what I want the V1 for.

SO... should I buy a refurb 70-300 for $400 to use on my V1 and just let it on....or put on the 28-300 when I go birding? My objective is to have the better lens of the two on the V1 for walking around for wildlife/zoo shots?

Comments and actual experiences welcome(and others my be interested as well).

Thanks

Dan
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nwcs Silver Member Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Landscape and Wildlife Photography Nikonian since 15th Jan 2006Wed 16-Jan-13 02:35 AM
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#1. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Knoxville, US
          

No, I haven't used the 28-300 but the 70-300 is great with the FT1. I can't imagine there being any meaningful difference between the two lenses when using only the center portion. And if there is then it would be negligible. I recommend just staying with what you have.

  

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jjimerson Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Jun 2006Wed 16-Jan-13 11:53 PM
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#2. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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El Paso, US
          

I have both but I prefer the 28-300 because of the range. I have taken it on two cruises with excellent results same with 70-300 but my favorite id a 50mm 1.8

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walk43 Gold Member Nikonian since 07th Feb 2012Thu 17-Jan-13 04:25 PM
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#3. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Pennsylvania, US
          

Thanks Neil and Jack,

Well I wanted smaller and lighter for the V1 on walk-abouts and ended up ordering a Nikon 55-300VRII refurb for $219. I agree with Neil, and so does DXO, that there is little difference between the 3 lenses themselves technically (55-300, 70-300 and 28-300) but the 70-300 is heavier, longer and has a faster AF, the 28-300 has the range advantage mentioned by Jack and each have their own little advantages/disadvantages like better at f/? for one and better at 300 for another....etc. I put it all together and the tie-breakers were price, range and size/weight. My concern is that the 55-300 will be too slow to focus ...and if that's the case I will exchange it for the 70-300VR.

My walk-abouts will typically be with my D800 and 70-200VR.. and the V1 with the 55-300VRII and I will carry my TC17 in my pocket. So I will have some flexibility moving the 70-200 VR between cameras for the f/2.8 and IQ advantage and adding the TC17 to it if I need to for the reach(918mm) on the V1.

May be wierd logic but I hate traveling with a huge gear bag/backpack. I'll see how that works.

Dan
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DavidHarsay Registered since 10th Sep 2012Fri 18-Jan-13 02:29 AM
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#4. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Fort Myers, US
          

I enjoy the N1/70-200VR, but the TC17 added, I found to be tough to shoot handheld. Seems to require minimum 1/1000, preferably twice that fast, even with VR which may not be of much use... it's tough to get a sharp picture without a tripod, seems slow and inaccurate focusing, and not as happy with the color (LR takes care of that though). Some people seem to like this combo, I was disappointed.

  

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Fri 18-Jan-13 07:46 AM
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#5. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Dyserth, UK
          

Hi Dan. I am still watching this forum with interest. The thought of a 70-300mm is becoming more appealing.

I sold my copy a few years ago to buy a 300mm f4. I also have the 28-300mm, but by memory do not find the IQ at between 250-300mm as sharp as the 70-300mm. I am hoping to regain the 70-300mm as I do feel that it will work more efficiently with the V1 and will also fill in on my D800 as a walkabout wildlife lens as it did on my D7000 and D800. I would really like to see some results from folks.

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walk43 Gold Member Nikonian since 07th Feb 2012Fri 18-Jan-13 12:22 PM
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#6. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Fri 18-Jan-13 12:23 PM by walk43

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Thanks Richard and welcome back. Not too many posts in this Forum lately...I thought everyone was on Holiday or something!!

I think someone should do a psychological profile of serious camera owners. It seems we all have a similar 'personality' when it comes to buying, playing with and selling equipment. I too sold my 70-300 when I bought my 300 f/4. And so did another guy I was talking to yesterday. It makes me feel better knowing that I am not the only one who 'acts' this way.

I couldn't find a 70-300VR at a good price....but I read some other forums and write ups and then found a 55-300VR for $219 so I ordered it and it should be here tomorrow. It's lighter, shorter and DXO rates it virtually the same as the 28-300VR except for the AF speed. So when it gets here I will test it out and if it is too slow I will return it and keep looking for a 70-300VR (about $350 vs $219).

Also, as Neil stated, the center of the glass on all three lenses should be about the same....so it's just the AF speed of the 55-300 that has me concerned. As I understand it from the charts, the TC17 should work on it also and I will test out the IQ with the TC as well and let you all know.

Similar to you...I want a lens I can keep on my V1 (and on my left shoulder) and use as a walkaround lens when I see birds farther out and don't want to swap my lenses with what's in my bag or what I am shooting on my D800 at the time (I plan to carry both cameras on field trips). For serious shots in specific situations I will just use my 70-200VR f/2.8 on the V1. That seems to be my best lens on the V1 so far (and my 105VR).

Right now my only problem with the V1 is what I consider it's low-light focusing issues. It appears to have a hard time focusing accurately in overcast/cloudy or dim light and hunts a lot (unless I use a 2.8). I often have to refocus a few times before it gets it right....or help it out by focusing on something closer/farther with more contrast in cloudy/low light situations... or use manual focus to get it close.

The V1 it sure has improved my bird shots for feather detail over the D800 cropped as I had hoped. As far as I am concerned, getting closer with reach (2.7 crop factor) and filling the frame is MUCH better than shooting the D800 and cropping out a very small image. Maybe when the summer sun is stronger that won't be the case... but in these cloudy/winter days it sure seems to be.

Dan
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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Fri 18-Jan-13 12:41 PM
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#7. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Dyserth, UK
          

<<then found a 55-300VR for $219 so I ordered it and it should be here tomorrow. It's lighter, shorter and DXO rates it virtually the same as the 28-300VR except for the AF speed. So when it gets here I will test it out and if it is too slow I will return it and keep looking for a 70-300VR (about $350 vs $219).>>

I have found a new 70-300mm in the UK at £339 ($511) and this is a good price for us, £60 ($92) less than anywhere else. Second hand they cost about £20-30 less, so a good deal. But...I'm maxed out on photography stuff at present, so will have to wait.

<<Right now my only problem with the V1 is what I consider it's low-light focusing issues.>>

Well, as I've said before, I think the V1 can achieve most of what we want, but it's going to be at its best in good or even excellent light.

<<The V1 it sure has improved my bird shots for feather detail over the D800 cropped as I had hoped.>>

I think it would improve our skill as we are working harder with the V1 to achieve satisfaction. If nothing else, it will certainly leave the legacy of learning how to take better shots on both cameras.

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walk43 Gold Member Nikonian since 07th Feb 2012Fri 18-Jan-13 12:46 PM
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#8. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Pennsylvania, US
          

I agree with you on your comments Richard. Keeps me busy learning to get it all right!! Also being 'maxed out' with gear (and budget)

Dan
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walk43 Gold Member Nikonian since 07th Feb 2012Fri 18-Jan-13 12:56 PM
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#9. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Pennsylvania, US
          

Interesting test chart for the 55-300VR. I am happy with 5x7 prints for 'most' of my shots so I hope this chart is correct.




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nwcs Silver Member Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Landscape and Wildlife Photography Nikonian since 15th Jan 2006Fri 18-Jan-13 01:37 PM
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#10. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Knoxville, US
          

Definitely a subjective measure. And I wonder how much a change in post processing would influence the results...

  

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sat 19-Jan-13 10:59 AM
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#11. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Sat 19-Jan-13 11:00 AM by richardd300

Dyserth, UK
          

I have managed to get some images a friend took on his V1 with a 70-300mm VR and I think they are very good. The distance was about 50-60ft.

Richard

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barb478 Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Feb 2012Sat 19-Jan-13 06:00 PM
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#12. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Seattle, US
          

I really like the first one.

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#13. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Pennsylvania, US
          

Nice shots by your friend Richard....really nice....thx for sharing!!

I received my Nikon 55-300VR today and tested it out against the 28-300VR and the 300 f/4 using a lens test card. The order of the finish is 1) 300 f/4, 2) 28-300VR and 3) 55-300VR. So no surprises. But in all honesty, the difference is so small that it makes me wonder whether I would pay $1000+ for a lens (28-300VR and 300 f/4)...or $200 for the 55-300VR. There appears to to more variabliity in my technique than in the sharpness. Now the D800 vs the V1 is a different question and not even a race.

The nice things about the 55-300VR are the price, the weight and the length. It's much easier to hand carry and fits perfectly in my V1 camera bag lens down. The AF is a bit slower than the other lenses but only by 1/2 sec or so. It's no big deal for how I shoot. And I notice that actually the V1 has more trouble acquiring focus with any FT1 mounted lens than I had expected. It just hunts too much now and then...even in very good light.

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter MemberSun 27-Jan-13 04:38 AM
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#14. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

My opinion is that if you don't like the 28-300 you will hate the 70-300.
I have tried two versions of the 70-300 and got rid of them both.
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You will like the 300mm f4 much better.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sun 27-Jan-13 11:01 AM
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#15. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Dyserth, UK
          

That's an interesting comment. I've had the 70-300mm VR and I sold it to fund a 300mm f4. The 300mm f4 is in another class, but I really regret selling the 70-300mm and am looking to buy another one. I also have the 28-300mm which I use mostly as a walkabout and travel lens, but for focal lengths above about 240mm it's not quite as able as the 70-300mm in my view, although it is still a very capable zoom.

Lets be fair a 300mm f4 costs over twice and nearly three times the cost of a 70-300mm, but given good light achieving a high shutter speed at say f8 results with the 70-300mm can be very satisfactory.

So, my experience is different and of course as always there are others who would agree or disagree.

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#19. "RE: 28-300VR vs 70-300VR on V1??"
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Ogden, US
          

agree with RD300. I have both a Nikkor 70-300 and the new Tamron version of same.Bought the Tamron arguing it's sharper. I've used both on D7000. So far, I'd hold the Tamron to be a bit sharper and we like the way the lens seems to lock onto the target with the af. That said the Nikkor is a good lens too, though I need to sell it. We use the 28-300 on our D800e, it's a swiss army knife of a lens ( not my original observation) It performed very nicely in India both in villages and on tiger trekking.

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