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SammyDarkling Registered since 29th May 2012Tue 29-May-12 06:54 AM
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"Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"


AU
          

Hi there,

Can the 10-30mm kit Lens be hacked, glitched or enabled some way,
to be able to shoot while it is in the locked position?


If not, then what reason is there, that the lens cannot work
while in this position? Is it mechanical or purely disenabled,
so people have more reason to get the prime?


Thanks!

I want to like the J1 enough to get one,
but I just don't. Only appeal is the FT1 converter.

Sigh.

Would it perform better in low light than a D70?
I want it to be stunning at night.

Also, with SOOOO many girls loving this camera,
why is there almost NOTHING on flickr or youtube,
are they just not tagging photos?

I need to see results to know it isn't crud at night.

  

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SammyDarkling Registered since 29th May 2012Tue 29-May-12 07:07 AM
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#1. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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AU
          

Also, sorry but not clear.

Does te ft1 allow dx lenses or just full frame.

I have some old slr lenses like the 135mm and 50mm prime,
which I know are full frame as they are cropped on Dx sensor Camera.

But will a standard 18-55 afs vr work with this converter?

  

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SammyDarkling Registered since 29th May 2012Tue 29-May-12 09:59 AM
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AU
          

>Also, sorry but not clear.
>
>Does te ft1 allow dx lenses or just full frame.
>
>I have some old slr lenses like the 135mm and 50mm prime,
>which I know are full frame as they are cropped on Dx sensor
>Camera.
>
>But will a standard 18-55 afs vr work with this converter?
>

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/acil/accessories/mount_adapter_ft1/compatibility.htm

Found this answer, but I need someone with a little honest technical knowledge to find out the initial query.

  

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#3. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Gendt, NL
          

>Can the 10-30mm kit Lens be hacked, glitched or enabled some
>way,
>to be able to shoot while it is in the locked position?

Why would you want that. When you "turn on" the lens, it turns the camera on. And I like the lens to be as small as can be foor carrying.

>I want to like the J1 enough to get one,
>but I just don't. Only appeal is the FT1 converter.

I don't understand people usig the V1/J1 JUST for the FT1 with big lenses.

I changed my Dx3 (fully equipt 14-24-70-200) for the V1 JUST for weight. I could have blown up (if needed) my D3X NEF's or just take advantage of the 24 Mp sensor in Macro.

Willem

Sony Nex-7

  

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PerroneFord Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2011Tue 29-May-12 03:34 PM
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#4. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Tallahassee, US
          

>I don't understand people usig the V1/J1 JUST for the FT1 with
>big lenses.

Because when your $5000 camera has a $10000 lens attached to it, and you can only fill 1/5 of the frame with your subject, it's disappointing.

And when Nikon offers you the opportunity to fill that frame, with a $1000 high quality camera, that can operate silently, and weighs next to nothing, it's compelling to say the least.

Does that help?

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SammyDarkling Registered since 29th May 2012Tue 29-May-12 03:55 PM
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#5. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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AU
          

Why would I want to be able to shoot with the 10-30mm
in locked position?

Well... it would not only be 10-30mm,
but wider and let more light in being less tele?

Wouldn't it?

Also it will then fit into my Bingo waterproof bag for compacts?


I didn't ask a question to be asked questions,
I just want to know IF it can be done.


Thanks for reading though ^^

  

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SammyDarkling Registered since 29th May 2012Tue 29-May-12 04:10 PM
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AU
          

p.s.

thanks for your input in my other thread too perroneford.



precise:

put it another way; does the lens have to pop out,
from the flush position before shooting a photo?

And if so, is there anyway around the firmware
restriction to be able to MAKE the camera take
a photo while in the flat position/locked.

1. I know the lens turns the camera on...
but so does the on button.

2. I know the lens retracting to locked,
doesn't turn the camera off.
Thus there is more of a probability.

3. Can you see in live view,
out of the lens before you pop it out to take a photo?

If so, I will have hope for a firmware advancement or hack,
in which I may get this lens then.

  

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PerroneFord Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2011Tue 29-May-12 04:56 PM
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#7. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Tallahassee, US
          

>precise:
>
>put it another way; does the lens have to pop out,
>from the flush position before shooting a photo?

Yes. As far as we know.

>And if so, is there anyway around the firmware
>restriction to be able to MAKE the camera take
>a photo while in the flat position/locked.

Unknown.

>1. I know the lens turns the camera on...
>but so does the on button.

True. So we know there is an electrical connection between the camera and the lens. Likely a mechanical one as well, which is likely why the twist is needed and not just a button push.


>2. I know the lens retracting to locked,
>doesn't turn the camera off.
>Thus there is more of a probability.

With the lens separated from the camera, can you see a mechanical change in iris when the lens is rotated? I'd check myself, but I've mislaid my 10-30.


>3. Can you see in live view,
>out of the lens before you pop it out to take a photo?

Good question.

>If so, I will have hope for a firmware advancement or hack,
>in which I may get this lens then.

But this won't solve any of the other concerns you raised for the camera. Particularly ISO performance. Which will likely continue to be quite poor compared to DSLRs with much larger sensors.

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SammyDarkling Registered since 29th May 2012Tue 29-May-12 05:32 PM
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#8. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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AU
          

Yeah:

http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-J1-vs-Nikon_D70

Image quality is only slightly better and iso is apparently worse!

But I guess I do just want to add video to my D70,
this is basically doing that.

Sigh, i'm just taken by a good price at the moment.
Also... considering all my lenses,
i'm looking at a coverage similar to the sx40 minus 30mm.

The video does look nice on the J1,
but not in motion, if hand held it is shuddery
and then with Vr panning it skips i've seen.

But I just feel that maybe i'm not impressed with
the application of the camera i've seen more than the J1 itself...

Also i'd probably get the 10mm 2.8 prime, which is almost
exactly equivalent to my 27mm 2.8 tamron...
though an entirely different lens and with Silent Af and Vr.

But Af is what you want at telephoto anyway,
not at wide angle, that is easy to adjust for.

Also if I am videoing and using the aperture ring or focus ring,
even with my hand grip in the tripod screw hole,
I bet it won't look or sound pretty.

~ ,., ~ c'mon nikon, help me use your cameras.

  

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#9. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Tallahassee, US
          

>Yeah:
>
>http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-J1-vs-Nikon_D70
>
>Image quality is only slightly better and iso is apparently
>worse!
>
>But I guess I do just want to add video to my D70,
>this is basically doing that.
>
>Sigh, i'm just taken by a good price at the moment.
>Also... considering all my lenses,
>i'm looking at a coverage similar to the sx40 minus 30mm.
>
>The video does look nice on the J1,
>but not in motion, if hand held it is shuddery
>and then with Vr panning it skips i've seen.
>
>But I just feel that maybe i'm not impressed with
>the application of the camera i've seen more than the J1
>itself...
>
>Also i'd probably get the 10mm 2.8 prime, which is almost
>exactly equivalent to my 27mm 2.8 tamron...
>though an entirely different lens and with Silent Af and Vr.
>
>But Af is what you want at telephoto anyway,
>not at wide angle, that is easy to adjust for.
>
>Also if I am videoing and using the aperture ring or focus
>ring,
>even with my hand grip in the tripod screw hole,
>I bet it won't look or sound pretty.
>
>~ ,., ~ c'mon nikon, help me use your cameras.

Why not buy a D3200 or a D7000. Both near the same price, but with better ISO performance, both with superior video, you can still use all your lenses.

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#10. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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AU
          

can get for 400,
is why am considering
plus like my d70

  

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Tallahassee, US
          

>can get for 400,
>is why am considering
>plus like my d70

$400?!??!

You're causiing all this stress over $400 measly dollars?

Man, buy the camera and be done with it. If you don't like it sell it to someone who wants it and pocket the profit...

Geez.

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#29. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Fairfax Station, US
          

Does the term "2.7 crop factor" come to mind?

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#16. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Potomac, US
          

>put it another way; does the lens have to pop out,
>from the flush position before shooting a photo?
>
>And if so, is there anyway around the firmware
>restriction to be able to MAKE the camera take
>a photo while in the flat position/locked.
>
>3. Can you see in live view,
>out of the lens before you pop it out to take a photo?
>
>If so, I will have hope for a firmware advancement or hack,
>in which I may get this lens then.

Hi Sammy,

Some of the following will answer the above questions, but I want to raise some other possible issues. More than a hack might be needed.

Firmware issues aside, it seems to me that using the 10-30 mm collapsed could have both optical and mechanical issues (NOTE: I am far from being an expert in the theory or mechanics of optics):

What will the focal length of the collapsed lens be? If FL is defined as the distance of the focusing element from the sensor plane when focused at infinity, the FL will be really, really short (an extreme wide angle lens), if it can focus at infinity. That might be a big if. Would the lens then still be practical for general photography or for how you want to use it?

If the collapsed lens can focus at all, where and how will it focus? Beyond about half-way collapsed, manual focus no longer pulls in a sharp image (answer to third question above). A picture cannot be taken, however, unless the lens is fully extended from collapsed (the warning screen disappears - partial answer to first question above). Further explanation - when the camera is turned on and the lens is collapsed, it is possible to see through the view finder/live view screen, but there is a warning screen in the middle as a reminder to extend the lens; this reminder does not go away until the lens is fully extended.

Finally, will the lens essentially become a fish-eye, projecting a circular image with no corner coverage let alone sharpness, or will it simply lose any semblance of corner sharpness, again, if it can be focused at all?

Maybe this is all obvious to everyone else, and these are non-issues. I’m just suggesting/wondering.

Fred
Maryland, USA

  

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#17. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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AU
          

>>put it another way; does the lens have to pop out,
>>from the flush position before shooting a photo?
>>
>>And if so, is there anyway around the firmware
>>restriction to be able to MAKE the camera take
>>a photo while in the flat position/locked.
>>
>>3. Can you see in live view,
>>out of the lens before you pop it out to take a photo?
>>
>>If so, I will have hope for a firmware advancement or
>hack,
>>in which I may get this lens then.
>
>Hi Sammy,
>
>Some of the following will answer the above questions, but I
>want to raise some other possible issues. More than a hack
>might be needed.
>
>Firmware issues aside, it seems to me that using the 10-30 mm
>collapsed could have both optical and mechanical issues (NOTE:
>I am far from being an expert in the theory or mechanics of
>optics):
>
>What will the focal length of the collapsed lens be? If FL is
>defined as the distance of the focusing element from the
>sensor plane when focused at infinity, the FL will be really,
>really short (an extreme wide angle lens), if it can focus at
>infinity. That might be a big if. Would the lens then still
>be practical for general photography or for how you want to
>use it?
>
>If the collapsed lens can focus at all, where and how will it
>focus? Beyond about half-way collapsed, manual focus no
>longer pulls in a sharp image (answer to third question
>above). A picture cannot be taken, however, unless the lens is
>fully extended from collapsed (the warning screen disappears -
>partial answer to first question above). Further explanation
>- when the camera is turned on and the lens is collapsed, it
>is possible to see through the view finder/live view screen,
>but there is a warning screen in the middle as a reminder to
>extend the lens; this reminder does not go away until the lens
>is fully extended.
>
>Finally, will the lens essentially become a fish-eye,
>projecting a circular image with no corner coverage let alone
>sharpness, or will it simply lose any semblance of corner
>sharpness, again, if it can be focused at all?
>
>Maybe this is all obvious to everyone else, and these are
>non-issues. I’m just suggesting/wondering.
>


Thank you for adding to this discussion, your uncertainties
are just as useful at this point as the answer.

I am still learning about technicals and I appreciate the insight!

Ok so... starting on the main points.

1.

Live view is visible through the collapsed lens,
what you see is what you get, if to take a photo right?

Would this answer the fish-eye query?

But my query is what exactly do you get,
with the lens in locked position and the warning visible,
is the live view image in focus and does it alter,
when you pop the lens out to be a less 'wide angle'?

2.

I did notice or hear that the Lens and Camera firmware is upgradable?
Maybe there is even more promise to include some intelligent
upgrades to allow, what ever is currently not allowed in the lens.

Maybe a way around mechanical issues, like a metering or meta-data?

Perhaps like the Canon hack an sd card can bring new features,
like over riding the lens warning.

I understand cameras enough to know... they are tweaked to get
the best result and most user controls are a threshold
to some degree of, the users ability to take bad photos

For instance, flash sync minimum/ can only shoot 500th of a second,
while using flash on the D70.

Options are in place to make sure noone can make the camera look bad,
haha.

Thus i'm sure the lens in locked pozy, just doesn't take a very
promo worthy image. So they dis-enabled it, so
people with a little less deductive skills aren't snapping away,
spamming nikon with 'my J1/V1 is crappy' e-mails.

3.

I'm not to fussy about what the focal length would be,
but thank you for the clarity. Because remember,
I can always pop the lens out and have just as much
functionality as anyone else.

Want to make sure it will fit in my waterproof bag,
otherwise i'll just go for the 10mm pancake.

Though I mean, telephoto is where you want the Af
and I won't have any on all my other 'glass'.

~

Thank you all for your assistance.

I have one other query.

Does your FT1 alter the Dof? Just like a macro tube does?

I can't understand how it wouldn't, in principle of what
a macro tube does. So do you notice a much finer,
point of focus and Dof while using your old Nikkor lenses on your N1?


  

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#19. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Potomac, US
          

>>>put it another way; does the lens have to pop out,
>>>from the flush position before shooting a photo?

Yes

>>>
Hi Sammy,

>>>And if so, is there anyway around the firmware
>>>restriction to be able to MAKE the camera take
>>>a photo while in the flat position/locked.

I don’t know, but the lens elements are ground/designed to work and focus at certain distances from the sensor (focal lengths). Shorten those distances (or extend them) and they won’t focus. So if it will take a photo by defeating the firmware restrictions, you will not have a sharp image.

>>>3. Can you see in live view,
>>>out of the lens before you pop it out to take a
>photo?

Yes, but what you see are an out of focus image, and a warning in the center that says, “! Rotate the zoom ring to extend the lens."

>>>
>>>If so, I will have hope for a firmware advancement or
>>hack,
>>>in which I may get this lens then.

Someone can tell me if I am incorrect, but. . . . The hack would need to delete the warning and allow the camera to take a picture. But to get the lens to focus or zoom, the design would need to be changed. The lens barrell would need to be extend so that the lens elements could be displaced forward to the same relative position as if the lens were extended. This would defeat the purpose of being able to retract the lens to make for a smaller overall lens/camera package. Nikon would need to redesign the lens. You’d be right back where you were as if you were using the current lens.

>>
>>Hi Sammy,
>>
>>Some of the following will answer the above questions, but
>I
>>want to raise some other possible issues. More than a
>hack
>>might be needed.
>>
>>Firmware issues aside, it seems to me that using the 10-30
>mm
>>collapsed could have both optical and mechanical issues
>(NOTE:
>>I am far from being an expert in the theory or mechanics
>of
>>optics):
>>
>>What will the focal length of the collapsed lens be? If
>FL is
>>defined as the distance of the focusing element from the
>>sensor plane when focused at infinity, the FL will be
>really,
>>really short (an extreme wide angle lens), if it can focus
>at
>>infinity. That might be a big if. Would the lens then
>still
>>be practical for general photography or for how you want
>to
>>use it?
>>
>>If the collapsed lens can focus at all, where and how will
>it
>>focus? Beyond about half-way collapsed, manual focus no
>>longer pulls in a sharp image (answer to third question
>>above). A picture cannot be taken, however, unless the
>lens is
>>fully extended from collapsed (the warning screen
>disappears -
>>partial answer to first question above). Further
>explanation
>>- when the camera is turned on and the lens is collapsed,
>it
>>is possible to see through the view finder/live view
>screen,
>>but there is a warning screen in the middle as a reminder
>to
>>extend the lens; this reminder does not go away until the
>lens
>>is fully extended.
>>
>>Finally, will the lens essentially become a fish-eye,
>>projecting a circular image with no corner coverage let
>alone
>>sharpness, or will it simply lose any semblance of corner
>>sharpness, again, if it can be focused at all?
>>
>>Maybe this is all obvious to everyone else, and these are
>>non-issues. I’m just suggesting/wondering.
>>
>
>
>Thank you for adding to this discussion, your uncertainties
>are just as useful at this point as the answer.
>
>I am still learning about technicals and I appreciate the
>insight!
>
>Ok so... starting on the main points.
>
>1.
>
>Live view is visible through the collapsed lens,
>what you see is what you get, if to take a photo right?

Yes, keeping in mind that what you see and what you get is an OOF - if you could activate the shutter, which you cannot. You might not get the rotate lens warning in the image.

>
>Would this answer the fish-eye query?
>
>But my query is what exactly do you get,
>with the lens in locked position and the warning visible,

An OOF image.

>is the live view image in focus

No.

>and does it alter,

>when you pop the lens out to be a less 'wide angle’?

Yes, it becomes less wide angle and gradually comes into focus. You can focus manually at the point that the lens is rotated out after about the half-way point.

>
>2.
>
>I did notice or hear that the Lens and Camera firmware is
>upgradable?

Yes, the V1 camera and lenses (the two zooms I have) already have firmware upgrades.

>Maybe there is even more promise to include some intelligent
>upgrades to allow, what ever is currently not allowed in the
>lens.

Again, I think what you want to do would take a redesign of the lens(es) to make them non-retractable, and the same size as when the current lenses are rotated out to their full, useable length.

>
>Maybe a way around mechanical issues, like a metering or
>meta-data?

And again, when I say mechanical, I am thinking largely physical construction.

>
>Perhaps like the Canon hack an sd card can bring new
>features,
>like over riding the lens warning.

Possibly, but that still won’t buy you an in-focus image when the lens is not extended.

>
>I understand cameras enough to know... they are tweaked to
>get
>the best result and most user controls are a threshold
>to some degree of, the users ability to take bad photos
>
>For instance, flash sync minimum/ can only shoot 500th of a
>second,
>while using flash on the D70.
>
>Options are in place to make sure noone can make the camera
>look bad,
>haha.
>
>Thus i'm sure the lens in locked pozy, just doesn't take a
>very
>promo worthy image. So they dis-enabled it, so
>people with a little less deductive skills aren't snapping
>away,
>spamming nikon with 'my J1/V1 is crappy' e-mails.

Yes - it just won’t take a good image, so Nikon prevents it from taking any image, and presents a warning to rotate the lens so that it will work at its designed focal lengths.

>
>3.
>
>I'm not to fussy about what the focal length would be,
>but thank you for the clarity. Because remember,
>I can always pop the lens out and have just as much
>functionality as anyone else.
>
>Want to make sure it will fit in my waterproof bag,
>otherwise i'll just go for the 10mm pancake.

I am not familiar with the bag you are referring to, but are you certain you would be able to zoom the lens while in the bag? That seems rather awkward to me - zooming and using other controls while the camera/lens are in a bag. Keep in mind that with the 2.7 crop factor, the 10mm i=on the Nikon 1 system is equivalent to a 27mm wide angle on full frame, and...

>
>Though I mean, telephoto is where you want the Af
>and I won't have any on all my other 'glass'.

...a 30mm is roughly equivalent to an 85mm short tele.

>
>~
>
>Thank you all for your assistance.
>
>I have one other query.
>
>Does your FT1 alter the Dof? Just like a macro tube does?
>
>I can't understand how it wouldn't, in principle of what
>a macro tube does. So do you notice a much finer,
>point of focus and Dof while using your old Nikkor lenses on
>your N1?

Haven’t gotten that much experience with it, but I think optics is optics, to coin a phrase, and don’t see why F-mount glass would behave differently from N-1 mount glass for any given focal length. Again, someone else could jump in here.

Hope this all helps. Bottom line to me seems to be that Nikon could make the firmware changes you are looking for, but probably won’t , but that still won’t change optical theory or effect changes to the lens(es) themselves. I’d say get the fixed FL 10mm lens (in addition to at least one of the zooms) and have fun with it.

Need to run, and don’t have time to proof; please forgive any errors, or if my comments seem a little blunt or overly repetitious. Had a lot to say in a hurry.

Fred
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#12. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Gendt, NL
          

>>I don't understand people usig the V1/J1 JUST for the FT1
>with
>>big lenses.

>Because when your $5000 camera has a $10000 lens attached to
>it, and you can only fill 1/5 of the frame with your subject,
>it's disappointing.
>
>And when Nikon offers you the opportunity to fill that frame,
>with a $1000 high quality camera, that can operate silently,
>and weighs next to nothing, it's compelling to say the least.
>
>Does that help?

Sorry, no, not at all.

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LOL! You should be a comedian.

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#14. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Gendt, NL
          

Fun!

But why?

You just stated, no other info.

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Tallahassee, US
          

>Fun!
>
>But why?
>
>You just stated, no other info.

Because your comment made me laugh. VERY HARD!

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#18. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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AU
          

wait, so... he is saying a slightly lighter camera is more of a reason,
than getting more out of all your lenses.

I.e. on a Fx you can shoot at one focal length on Dx another on Cx another... sounds like a good way to not blow stacks of money on huge HEAVY telephoto lenses to me.

LOL

  

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#20. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Gendt, NL
          

>>Fun!
>>But why?
>>You just stated, no other info.

>Because your comment made me laugh. VERY HARD!

Since you have no headache from jumping up and down on your bed hitting the ceiling, I'm not impressed by your sense of humour.

Now could you tell me what this ia all about please?

I'm sorry to say so, but English isn't my native language.

Have fun

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#21. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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AU
          

guys it doesn't really matter,
was just hoping someone would have some positive experience to share with the camera

  

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#22. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Tallahassee, US
          

>guys it doesn't really matter,
>was just hoping someone would have some positive experience to
>share with the camera

There are many positive experiences. However, what you seem to want is simply not possible not only from a firmware perspective, but from a matter of optics and physics.

It was a curious question, and I did pull out my 10-30 and play with it last night. But there's just no getting around the physics of it all.

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Tallahassee, US
          

>Since you have no headache from jumping up and down on your
>bed hitting the ceiling, I'm not impressed by your sense of
>humour.



>Now could you tell me what this ia all about please?

What this is all about is enjoying our cameras in our own way. For you, it seems to be having a small, light camera. For myself and quite a few others it seems, it's about having our long telephotos lenses perform beyond our expectations for very little cost.

Sadly, this seems lost on you.

>I'm sorry to say so, but English isn't my native language.

Your English seems superior to many people I know who were born in the US. Nothing to be sorry about.

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#24. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Gendt, NL
          

>What this is all about is enjoying our cameras in our own way.
> For you, it seems to be having a small, light camera. For
>myself and quite a few others it seems, it's about having our
>long telephotos lenses perform beyond our expectations for
>very little cost.

Yes, I can understand that, fully and thanls for your consideration.

>Sadly, this seems lost on you.

Oops, you still don't understand.
I think it is an OPTION if you already own the big lenses (have my doughts), but NOT when buying new.

Have to see yet any pictures comparing the V1 and let's say the D3X with big lenses.

I did a comparision some years ago between DX and FX with various lenses and camera's: FX lenses with FX camera's were superiour for the end-result, but it was close.

Yes DX is cheaper, but then agin: why buy Nikon?

Willem

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AU
          

!@-~ I will see how I go

  

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Tallahassee, US
          

>>Sadly, this seems lost on you.
>
>Oops, you still don't understand.
>I think it is an OPTION if you already own the big lenses
>(have my doughts), but NOT when buying new.

Perhaps is the V1 is your first camera, this is true. Many of us are sports photographers, wildlife photographers, etc. We already own many, many lenses. In my own case, I have been debating whether to purchase an upgrade to a 600mm lens or a 400mm lens. As my 300mm lens is often to short for my needs. The FT1 adapter on the V1 gives me the equivalent of an 800mm+ lens. The purchase of the V1 with the FT1 is less than US$1000. The purchase of a 600mm lens is over US$10000. The question then comes down to the quality of the photo of my V1 versus my other Nikon cameras.


>Have to see yet any pictures comparing the V1 and let's say
>the D3X with big lenses.

Well, I have been doing my own comparisons against my D800, D7000, and D3s. When the ability to fill the frame exists on all the cameras, the D800 clearly wins. The D7000 is second, and the D3s and V1 are quite close.


>I did a comparision some years ago between DX and FX with
>various lenses and camera's: FX lenses with FX camera's were
>superiour for the end-result, but it was close.

This is to be expected.

>Yes DX is cheaper, but then agin: why buy Nikon?

The point of DX, for professional use, is not that it's cheaper. It's that because of it's crop factor, it allows more of the subject to fill the frame. It allows us to use more of the pixels to cover a subject, therefore needing to crop less.

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#27. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Sat 02-Jun-12 01:47 PM by wblink

Gendt, NL
          

>>>Sadly, this seems lost on you.
>>
>>Oops, you still don't understand.
>>I think it is an OPTION if you already own the big lenses
>>(have my doughts), but NOT when buying new.
>
>Perhaps is the V1 is your first camera, this is true.

No, I'm doing this magic for almost 50 years ...

>Many of
>us are sports photographers, wildlife photographers, etc. We
>already own many, many lenses.

Many more are photographers of another style, like finest quality, which is what I wanted.

>In my own case, I have been
>debating whether to purchase an upgrade to a 600mm lens or a
>400mm lens. As my 300mm lens is often to short for my needs.
>The FT1 adapter on the V1 gives me the equivalent of an 800mm+
>lens. The purchase of the V1 with the FT1 is less than
>US$1000. The purchase of a 600mm lens is over US$10000. The
>question then comes down to the quality of the photo of my V1
>versus my other Nikon cameras.

My latest camera's were D3 and D3X, lenses from 14 - 800 mm (yes, the NG 800/5.6) all Nikon.
With the D3 and even more with the D3X I found out using the 800 there are additional problems with air-turbulence, mirror-movement, almost invisable fog in the air and other nice thing to work around, even with a Wimberley and Gitzo!
I used it for birds.

>>Have to see yet any pictures comparing the V1 and let's
>say
>>the D3X with big lenses.

>Well, I have been doing my own comparisons against my D800,
>D7000, and D3s. When the ability to fill the frame exists on
>all the cameras, the D800 clearly wins. The D7000 is second,
>and the D3s and V1 are quite close.

Ok, that is what I mean. The V1 is GOOD (that's why I bought it), but not near quality FX. With the D3X I have made (macro) pictures blwon up to >100 cm without seeing any pixel.

>>I did a comparision some years ago between DX and FX with
>>various lenses and camera's: FX lenses with FX camera's
>were
>>superiour for the end-result, but it was close.

>This is to be expected.

>>Yes DX is cheaper, but then agin: why buy Nikon?

>The point of DX, for professional use, is not that it's
>cheaper. It's that because of it's crop factor, it allows
>more of the subject to fill the frame. It allows us to use
>more of the pixels to cover a subject, therefore needing to
>crop less.

It's all about WHAT professional use.
Paperjournalist are happy when there is a picture that is "recognizable", Macro-photographers are errrr are expecting a bit more.

I am glad that (I think) I understand what you mean, for me that was what it was all about (excuse me all other readers ...)

Nutshell: You don't go for 100% quality, but for 90%, cheaper and easier, right?

The reason I sold all my FX gear (including all lensen, tripods aso) is I didn't want to go on a flight with that backpack anymore.

I regret some of my sellings (tripod, 70-200 VRII and TCII 2.0), but that's the way things happen.

Willem

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#28. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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AU
          

i'm putting this all down to something lost in translation...

but thanks for all of your input guys!

  

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#30. "RE: Nikon 1 10-30mm Vr Lens, Can Hack to shoot locked?"
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Fri 29-Jun-12 01:53 PM by RRRoger

Monterey Bay, US
          

This thread may have taken some detours but mostly informative.
I suggest that you just start with the fixed 10mm f/2.8 on your J1.

It is superior to the surprisingly very good 10-30 zoom,
which fits when mounted on a larger V1 into my large pockets.

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