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CarlosFMeneses Registered since 07th Apr 2011Wed 04-May-11 05:10 AM
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"Exposure Compensation in Manual Mode"


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I've started shooting out of A/S modes and am getting the hang of Manual mode. The issue I'm having is that the exposure compensation button has no effect on exposure when shooting in Manual Mode.

How is one to use compensation when shooting manual?

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snapsh0t Registered since 30th Aug 2009Wed 04-May-11 06:48 AM
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#1. "RE: Exposure Compensation in Manual Mode"
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You just change the aperture or shutter speed setting! You're in manual mode, exposure compensation is done by your brain, not the camera's.

  

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greenwing Gold Member Nikonian since 18th May 2006Wed 04-May-11 09:53 AM
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In Manual, exposure compensation changes the meter. If you center the meter you will have applied the exposure compensation, but it is up to you to do it. Unless you have Auto ISO on, when it's not really manual at all.

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aolander Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Sep 2006Wed 04-May-11 12:38 PM
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Exposure compensation does affect exposure in manual mode. If zeroing the meter without exposure compensation results in f/8 @ 1/250th second, using 1+ exposure compensation will result in the meter zeroing at f/5.6 @ 1/250th.

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CarlosFMeneses Registered since 07th Apr 2011Wed 04-May-11 02:38 PM
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>Exposure compensation does affect exposure in manual mode.
>If zeroing the meter without exposure compensation results in
>f/8 @ 1/250th second, using 1+ exposure compensation will
>result in the meter zeroing at f/5.6 @ 1/250th.

Hello aolander and greenwing. Yes, it does change the tick marks in the meter, but doesn't apply the compensation when taking the shot as in other modes. It doesn't even adjust the meter other than moving the tick marks like it does in other shooting modes. In your example, the image will still be taken as if shot at f/8@1/250th no matter the compensation. It's the only adjustment which can be made on the camera that won't effect the final image.


>You just change the aperture or shutter speed setting! You're
>in manual mode, exposure compensation is done by your brain,
>not the camera's.

Hello snapsh0t. I was afraid of that... DOH!

I was hoping there was a reason behind this behavior, one that I haven't yet put a use to. I'm coming to the conclusion that it's just useless in manual.

- Carlos F. Meneses

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briantilley Moderator Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003Wed 04-May-11 03:16 PM
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#5. "RE: Exposure Compensation in Manual Mode"
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>Hello aolander and greenwing. Yes, it does change the tick
>marks in the meter, but doesn't apply the compensation when
>taking the shot as in other modes.

That's not quite true; it's consistent across all modes when you think about it

Basically, exposure compensation never adjusts the thing that you are controlling yourself. In Aperture Priority, the camera will adjust shutter speed to apply compensation and leave the aperture that you selected; in Shutter Priority it will adjust aperture and leave shutter speed alone. In Manual, you have control of both so all the camera can do is bias the meter reading - which you can take notice of or not as you wish.

Note - I'm ignoring Auto ISO, which complicates things a bit but doesn't change the basic principle.

Brian
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CarlosFMeneses Registered since 07th Apr 2011Wed 04-May-11 03:30 PM
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#6. "RE: Exposure Compensation in Manual Mode"
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>That's not quite true; it's consistent across all modes when
>you think about it
>
>Basically, exposure compensation never adjusts the thing that
>you are controlling yourself. In Aperture Priority, the
>camera will adjust shutter speed to apply compensation and
>leave the aperture that you selected; in Shutter Priority it
>will adjust aperture and leave shutter speed alone. In
>Manual, you have control of both so all the camera can do is
>bias the meter reading - which you can take notice of or not
>as you wish.
>
>Note - I'm ignoring Auto ISO, which complicates things a bit
>but doesn't change the basic principle.


Thanks for your input briantilley, I will try shooting with Auto ISO and see how much more I understand this.

- Carlos F. Meneses

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greenwing Gold Member Nikonian since 18th May 2006Wed 04-May-11 07:49 PM
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#7. "RE: Exposure Compensation in Manual Mode"
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Yorkshire, GB
          

The thing is, I think, that in Manual *you* decide whether to set a shutter/aperture/ISO combination that puts the meter reading in the middle, or to ignore it. In the other modes the camera always puts the meter in the middle, if it can. By choosing exposure compensation, you change where the mid point of the meter is, and give yourself - not the camera - a different point to aim for. Again, you can choose to ignore it if you wish.

Chris

  

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Len Shepherd Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2003Thu 05-May-11 07:27 AM
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#8. "RE: Exposure Compensation in Manual Mode"
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Yorkshire, GB
          

One way to look at the issue is to accept that exposure compensation works by changing the ISO.
If you set 400 ISO and plus 1 compensation you are telling the camera you want 400 ISO plus 1 stop - which is 200 ISO.
In a similar way 400 ISO minus 1 stop is 800 ISO.
In any auto mode the camera knows instead of shooting at 400 ISO selected you want to work at 200 (plus 1) or 800 (minus 1) - and changes the aperture/shutter to give you a 200 or 800 ISO equivalent exposure.
In manual if you set 250 at f8 that is what you get - with or without exposure compensation set.

Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.

Len Shepherd

  

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