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JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2009Thu 03-Mar-11 03:19 AM
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"ISO 6400, oops 4500"
Fri 04-Mar-11 11:17 PM by JPJ

Toronto, CA
          

I bought the d7000 hopeful to increase my ability to shoot in low light. I was recently in the Dominican for a wedding and while there we attended some of the late night shows at our resort.

Here is a shot I grabbed with my d7000, 70-200 VRI, @ F/2.8, 98mm, 1/125, ISO 6400, Program Mode, Auto ISO set to 6400 and min shutter speed of 1/125, Auto WB and spot metering. The lighting was terrible (both because it was dark and the multi-coloured stage lights) and I was contorting myself to shoot through a crowd of people and did not have a solid shooting base. It has been cropped by about 30%, and I ran it through Nik's Dfine and I have applied very minor sharpening. The entertainers are demonstrating a move they want some poor audience members to perform in some made up contest.



Call me a satisfied customer. This photo was taken in an almost worst case scenario high ISO situation and it still turned out well imo.

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Gamecocks Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jul 2010Thu 03-Mar-11 10:26 AM
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#1. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Joanna, US
          

Great shot Jason. Shows what the camera, a good glass, and an experienced user can do. About how far away were you?

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JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2009Thu 03-Mar-11 11:57 AM
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Toronto, CA
          

I am about 20 meters (60 feet) or so.

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rtg Registered since 27th Dec 2010Thu 03-Mar-11 02:35 PM
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Nice picture!

I think the color, noise, and exposure are really good in this image. However, I am seeing like with many of my shots, parts of the photo are soft. If you look at the stool, which is stationary, it is soft. The people are a little soft but that may be because of movement. The backdrop is reasonably sharp. I am not thinking it is a DOF issue as I would expect the focus point to be on or about the people in the image. Perhaps I am not seeing it right but could this be a back focus issue? If not, do I need new glasses?

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JosephK Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 17th Apr 2006Thu 03-Mar-11 02:49 PM
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#4. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Seattle, WA, US
          

The softness could easily be just missed focus. At a quick glance, I think the center focus point would be between the woman's arm and leg. The patterned background is quite sharp.

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rtg Registered since 27th Dec 2010Thu 03-Mar-11 02:56 PM
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#5. "RE: ISO 6400"
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US
          

After thinking about the focus point should be in the meta data of the original image. Perhaps the JPJ could indicate where it is.....

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JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2009Thu 03-Mar-11 08:37 PM
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#6. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Toronto, CA
          

The focus point is the woman's face, I was aiming for her right eye - probably ended up more on the nose. Due to the lighting I could only squeeze out F/2.8 so the softness around the foot and stool are a DOF issue.

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter MemberFri 04-Mar-11 12:59 PM
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#7. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

I would have shot a little wider than 98mm.
Perhaps a little fine tune AF would help the slight back focus,
but I am not sure that would help this picture.
Over all looks very nice.

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#8. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Newburg, US
          

The DOF should have been close to 13ft with those settings - 6ft in front and 7ft in back of the point of focus. The softness, which is most noticeable at her foot and the stool, should be at least partially explained by movement induced softness. If she had just planted her foot on that stool I would expect some movement. 1/125 isn't fast enough to freeze all motion. Also, I'm getting ISO 4500 from the EXIF.

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joeleszc Registered since 02nd Mar 2009Fri 04-Mar-11 09:31 PM
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#9. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Brick, US
          

Looks outstanding, this from a D80 user who wishes he could upgrade!!

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#10. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Kingston, CA
          

Nice shot. My D90 wouldn't do that well in these circumstances.

It seems the focus may have been centered on the background wall. (It is easy to recompose once focus has locked, fooling the camera's recording of focus location). The stool and other foreground items are OOF due to DOF I would guess.

At these settings I calculate DOF to be:

In front of subject 2.02 m (44%)
Behind subject 2.54 m (56%)

Note that the EXIF tells me the ISO was 4500, not 6400.

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JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2009Fri 04-Mar-11 11:16 PM
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#11. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Toronto, CA
          

>Nice shot. My D90 wouldn't do that well in these
>circumstances.

I have tried to shoot my previous camera, which was a d90, in circumstances like this, it actually wasn't terrible, but it was not this good in terms of detail and colour by any stretch.

>It seems the focus may have been centered on the background
>wall. (It is easy to recompose once focus has locked,
>fooling the camera's recording of focus location). The stool
>and other foreground items are OOF due to DOF I would guess.

That is possible, things, including myself, were moving around quite a bit. To be honest I was more interested in shooting to test the capability of the camera than for the photos. I was really interested in the detail and colour retention at high ISO in a real world shooting situation. Imo it does a great job in those areas.

>
>Note that the EXIF tells me the ISO was 4500, not 6400.

Oops, quite right, I took a few shots the ISO ranging from 3200-6400, I had thought when I posted this it was one of the 6400 ones, but it indeed 4500 as noted by you and above.

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PAStime Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009Sat 05-Mar-11 12:31 AM
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#12. "RE: ISO 6400"
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>I have tried to shoot my previous camera, which was a d90, in
>circumstances like this, it actually wasn't terrible, but it
>was not this good in terms of detail and colour by any
>stretch.

There's another thread in this forum where the OP is asking about DXO results of the D80, D90, D7000. It suggests the D7000 is not that much better than the D90 (and not sufficiently better to the OP than the D80). The data on the DX0 web site seems reasonable. A puzzle to me as I thought the D7000 was better than implied (as compared with the D90). Peter

  

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JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2009Sat 05-Mar-11 03:50 AM
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#13. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Toronto, CA
          


>There's another thread in this forum where the OP is asking
>about DXO results of the D80, D90, D7000. It suggests the
>D7000 is not that much better than the D90 (and not
>sufficiently better to the OP than the D80). The data on the
>DX0 web site seems reasonable. A puzzle to me as I thought
>the D7000 was better than implied (as compared with the D90).
> Peter

From ISO 1600 up the d7000 is notably better than the d90 which was slightly better than the d80 for image quality at all ISOs. In certain circumstances (very wide DR) at low ISOs I believe the d7000 performs better as well.

My experience shooting at high ISOs so far would be similar to the test results by Camera Labs: http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_D7000/noise_JPEG.shtml

If you look at the comparison between the d7000 and d90, the difference in luminance/colour noise is not huge (at least until ISO 3200), but the difference in colour and detail retention at ISO 1600 on is notable. Ultimately you can clean up noise, you can't do much to retrieve lost detail and colour. DxO's score while somewhat useful (as long as you appreciate what it is measuring) doesn't really tell the whole story imo in terms of high ISO image quality.

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KnightPhoto Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2006Sat 05-Mar-11 05:27 PM
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#14. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Sat 05-Mar-11 05:27 PM by KnightPhoto

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>
>>There's another thread in this forum where the OP is
>asking
>>about DXO results of the D80, D90, D7000. It suggests
>the
>>D7000 is not that much better than the D90 (and not
>>sufficiently better to the OP than the D80). The data on
>the
>>DX0 web site seems reasonable. A puzzle to me as I
>thought
>>the D7000 was better than implied (as compared with the
>D90).
>> Peter
>
>From ISO 1600 up the d7000 is notably better than the d90
>which was slightly better than the d80 for image quality at
>all ISOs. In certain circumstances (very wide DR) at low ISOs
>I believe the d7000 performs better as well.
>
>My experience shooting at high ISOs so far would be similar to
>the test results by Camera Labs:
>http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_D7000/noise_JPEG.shtml
>
>If you look at the comparison between the d7000 and d90, the
>difference in luminance/colour noise is not huge (at least
>until ISO 3200), but the difference in colour and detail
>retention at ISO 1600 on is notable. Ultimately you can clean
>up noise, you can't do much to retrieve lost detail and
>colour. DxO's score while somewhat useful (as long as you
>appreciate what it is measuring) doesn't really tell the whole
>story imo in terms of high ISO image quality.
>
>Jason
>
>

I think Jason's points are important - the detail is there on your primary subject. I do find I have to NR my ISO 1600 backgrounds though, so the D7000 is not a noise-free camera in the way that a D700 is.

I think DXO's noise measurement is correct, since independently I consider the D7K 1/2-stop better than my D300 and the D90 is a sliver better than the D300.

I think where you get some of the internet hyperbole that comes out is that at ISO 3200 and 6400 there is probably a range of benefits (color, detail, noise).

BTW I was impressed with the original image in this thread.

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#15. "RE: ISO 6400"
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Kingston, CA
          

Yes, good points Jason and Steve. The DXO measurement isn't the whole story as the noise may still be there but it may be less visually objectionable. Peter

  

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#16. "RE: ISO 1600"
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Alberta, CA
          

The first image here (Red-breasted Nuthatch) is ISO 1600 with NR on the background (it was needed) and the second (Mountain Chickadee) ISO 1400 with no NR on the background (and a much lighter shade). So far I think the D7K is meeting my use case of a birding camera I can shoot at ISO 1600.










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#17. "RE: ISO 1600"
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Toronto, CA
          

Wow, these shots are awesome!

I checked the EXIF to see if I could learn how to take a bird photo this good and it says it was taken at 700mm on the 500/f4 (+TC?). 1/200? A little off topic, but were you using a monopod or a gimbal?

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#18. "RE: ISO 1600"
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Alberta, CA
          

Thanks Jason. Yes, like a lot of my stuff this was monopod. It was good to get out again recently!

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