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JohnE Nikon Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jun 2010Fri 11-Feb-11 04:56 PM
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"Handheld HDR w D7000"


New HArtford, US
          

I wanted to try some Handheld HDR images.
Given limitations of only 3 frames, would you recommend having an increment of > 1EV for Exposure increment?

I have read the best results are w only 1 EV increments but to use 5-7 exposures.

I see how the U settings could be used to increase my exposures but handheld I want to only shoot the one burst without having to spin dial to avoid moving the camera even more.
Any advice?

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rtg Registered since 27th Dec 2010Fri 11-Feb-11 06:01 PM
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#1. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Send an email to Nikon support requesting a firmware update to increase the bracketing limit of 3 frames to something up to 7 or 9 frames. If enough people request this, Nikon may put resources to address the limitation. I have already sent in a request and the response is that I would be notified if an update becomes available.

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JohnE Nikon Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jun 2010Fri 11-Feb-11 06:52 PM
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#2. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Will do.

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Mr Moose Registered since 05th Jan 2011Fri 11-Feb-11 07:36 PM
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Could you provide a link to Nikon for that request, I'd be more than happy to let them know how I feel.
The problem, I doubt Nikon would be willing to do this as there probably going include this on something like the upcoming D400.

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rtg Registered since 27th Dec 2010Fri 11-Feb-11 07:49 PM
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#4. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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First, if you don't already have an account with Nikon USA you need to create one. Here is the link:

http://support.nikonusa.com/app/utils/create_account

Once this is completed, login and go to the "ASK NIKON" tab. I can not post a link because you can not get there without an account.

When you select ASK NIKON you will be able to send them a message.

Hope this helps.

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FutureLook Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Dec 2003Fri 11-Feb-11 10:50 PM
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#5. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Done. Hopefully we can flood Nikon with our requests with a positive response on their part to please us loyal nikonians.

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Marlin4E Silver Member Nikonian since 14th Jan 2011Sat 12-Feb-11 12:06 PM
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#8. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Thanks for the information. I let them know what I think also. It is amazing to me that they would leave such a useful feature off of a prosumer camera. And consider it to be an upgrade item for a more expensive model. This tells you that camera manufacturers are running out of options to differentiate their models and justify the greater cost.

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MBPierre Silver Member Nikonian since 21st Oct 2004Sun 20-Feb-11 09:05 AM
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#20. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Thanks for the suggestion.I have recently purchsed my D7K and have started experimenting with HDR using the free Oloneo (beta version) software that is mentioned in the HDR forum.
Upon reading your post I have organised my Nikon USA Account and made the firmware upgrade suggestion.
Thanks for the idea.
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tonespeak Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Aug 2007Mon 14-Feb-11 07:07 AM
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#10. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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>Send an email to Nikon support requesting a firmware update
>to increase the bracketing limit of 3 frames to something up
>to 7 or 9 frames. If enough people request this, Nikon may
>put resources to address the limitation. I have already sent
>in a request and the response is that I would be notified if
>an update becomes available.
>
>Rob

As much as I'd like to think that the 3 bracket value limit in the lower consumer cameras is an intentional feature differentiator, I think there are some physical design factors which allow a unit like a D300S to make 7 or 9 bracket values with changing EV such that all of the images are created well.

As an alternative I use promote systems "promote control" which is a little handheld computer which controls the camera for HDR shots, long bulb shots, intervelometer, and a few other features. It connects to the USB connector of the camera. Additionally, there is a shutter cable to control the timinig of the shutter which increases speed of the number of shots that can be taken. The shutter cable for the D90 and D7000 is hard to get at the moment, but it is not required. At the slower speeds I can do an unlimited number of HDR shots using factional ev changes. There is second pause between shots. I think that is why it works. I suspect that when I get my D90/D7000 shutter cable (on backorder) that I'll see the reason why the D90 and D7000 limit bracketing the three shots and the D300 and higher give us more.

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glennaa11 Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Sat 12-Feb-11 12:34 AM
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#6. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Largely it depends on the range of light in the scene. But if you are only going to shoot 3 I think using 2ev steps is likely a better choice in most cases.

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JohnE Nikon Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jun 2010Sat 12-Feb-11 12:47 AM
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#7. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Thanks.
I'll experiment.

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Sat 12-Feb-11 12:53 PM
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#9. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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>Thanks.
>I'll experiment.


Somebody posted a link to a guy's teaching video, who says that most times, 3 images are sufficient. His results bear him out.

I recall he suggests 2 stop increments. I think the key is to ensure that you're taking a wide dynamic range into account. With 3 exposures, a 1 stop differential wouldn't be able to do this.

I've done a few 3 shot HDR's that have worked really well for me. Here's one:

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mikeon Registered since 01st Oct 2004Mon 14-Feb-11 03:33 PM
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#11. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Mon 14-Feb-11 03:40 PM by mikeon

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I normally use only 3 images in bracketing, 0, -2 and +2.
If I want 5 images (or more) I use exposure compensation (normally -1 or +1 step depending on the scene), then run another 3 bracketing images (i.e. -1, -3, +1 or (+1, -1, +3).

I now have 5 (or 6) images for HDR with 1 step increments that I can use.

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JohnE Nikon Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jun 2010Tue 15-Feb-11 08:11 PM
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#12. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Thanks all.
I will post after I experiment.

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Len Shepherd Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2003Wed 16-Feb-11 06:46 AM
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#13. "RE: Why hand held?"
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The chances of not getting slight re framing issues taking 3 or more shots hand held are low.
Camera shake can become an issue at the longer shutter speeds for the + exposures in low light levels.

Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.

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JohnE Nikon Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jun 2010Wed 16-Feb-11 08:51 PM
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#14. "RE: Why hand held?"
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>The chances of not getting slight re framing issues taking 3
>or more shots hand held are low.
>Camera shake can become an issue at the longer shutter speeds
>for the + exposures in low light levels.
RE: Why hand held?


Thanks Len.
Clearly a tripod would be optimal.
I listened to the Image doctors podcast and they were experimenting with hand held HDR when a tripod would not be feasible, like in a museum. So I just wanted to get opinions of how best to achieve this.

Below is a hand held shot I took a few months ago with my D5000 and with the HDR align feature I thought at least technically it was not bad. I just wanted to optimize things.


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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Wed 16-Feb-11 09:22 PM
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>Below is a hand held shot I took a few months ago with my
>D5000 and with the HDR align feature I thought at least
>technically it was not bad.


Love this image!

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JohnE Nikon Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jun 2010Thu 17-Feb-11 12:49 AM
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Bill,
I probably should not need to seek approval from others to feel good about my work, but after viewing your website, the complement is deeply appreciated. Thank you. Nice work!

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Thu 17-Feb-11 12:13 PM
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US
          

>Bill,
>I probably should not need to seek approval from others to
>feel good about my work, but after viewing your website, the
>complement is deeply appreciated. Thank you. Nice work!


Thanks John,

The B-52 and sky has a dreamy quality that is pretty stunning.

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JHCIII Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Aug 2007Fri 18-Feb-11 01:28 AM
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#18. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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monroe, US
          

>I wanted to try some Handheld HDR images.
>Given limitations of only 3 frames, would you recommend
>having an increment of > 1EV for Exposure increment?
>
>I have read the best results are w only 1 EV increments but to
>use 5-7 exposures.
>
>I see how the U settings could be used to increase my
>exposures but handheld I want to only shoot the one burst
>without having to spin dial to avoid moving the camera even
>more.
>Any advice?

I've was using 2ev with the D7000, but started using 1.5 in most cases, and like the results better. Mine are almost always handheld, as part of my daily commute into the city. So far so good (a couple of months now), but I still kind of miss the ability to bracket more with my D300, and the faster fps.

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#19. "RE: Handheld HDR w D7000"
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Sat 19-Feb-11 01:45 PM by KnightPhoto

Alberta, CA
          

D300/D700 owners gripe about not having a +-2EV adjustment, thus forcing them to take 5 shots rather than 3!

Nikon seems to have found a way to please no one

I would be interested in 5-shot shooters experience, I have not really noticed a real difference but I haven't tried anything scientific. Up until now I have had to shoot 5 and discard two of them.

I am interested by the 1.5+-EV shooter. I might give that a try too.

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