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DiamondPhotography Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Dec 2010Wed 29-Dec-10 10:21 PM
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"D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
Wed 29-Dec-10 10:27 PM by DiamondPhotography

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I currently shoot with 2 D90's and want to upgrade. Initially i intended to go for the D700 for low light performance. Then the D7000 came along and by all accounts is a very good camera and very close to the D700. Anyone used both and got any thoughts/opinions they'd like to share?

Oops and then of course i could wait for the D800.

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter MemberWed 29-Dec-10 11:28 PM
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#1. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

You will be better off with two D90s than one D700
The D300s is a better backup to the D700 as they are nearly same size and weight and share many controls.

The D7000 is more camera in every way than the D90 but is more difficult to use and less forgiving of user error.
That said it is a much better match in size and weight if you plan on keeping at least one D90.
You will also be able to use all your current lens and more.

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JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2009Thu 30-Dec-10 12:02 AM
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#2. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Thu 30-Dec-10 01:36 PM by JPJ

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The d7000 is a worthy upgrade if you want to stay with DX. The low light performance is truly impressive. Is it on par with the d700? Most would say no, but it is not far off up to ISO 3200 imo. When you take into account the extra megapixels and the pixel density it is quite amazing. Another benefit to staying with the d7000 is it is smaller and lighter than the d700 (at least that is an advantage in my opinion).

I don't agree with the suggestion that the d7000 is harder to use than the d90. I should know, I moved from the d90 to the d7000. I have not adjusted my shooting style and I am getting tack sharp photos on the d7000. The fine detail resolution is amazing and when treated right, I find my results are sharper than the d90.

Another big plus for the d7000 is the AF system, it is great, much better than the d90 and as good as the CAM3500dx with less AF points.

Jason

edit: You may want to review a number of different sources but here are a few interesting comparisons of the d7000 vs the d700 re: noise.

http://www.dustylens.com/d7000_vs_d300_vs_d700.htm

http://artoftheimage.blogspot.com/2010/11/nikon-d7000-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso.html

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#3. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Thu 30-Dec-10 01:54 PM by richardd300

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I have had a D90 and currently have both the D700 and D7000. Firstly, I cannot agree with any comparison of the D7000 with a D700. They are fundamentally different in both technology and lens format. My advice would depend on what genre your photography fits into. If it's BIF, wildlife, sport etc, then the DX sensor is better in my opinion although I do use both DX and FX cameras occasionally. I say this as I use 35mm lenses and achieve x1.5 extra reach with the D7000. I use my D700 principally for landscape, portrait, weddings and architecture etc. The combination of a D700 with my 14-24mm f/2.8 lens is the wedding group shot camera/lens combination to have. As a wedding photographer I think you would really appreciate the FX sensor.

You have a dilema in so much that the D700 will possibly be replaced within 12 months, but that said it is a fantastic camera and I highly recommend it. I changed my D90 for a D7000 and as those on the forum know from my posts it was not a seamless transition by any means. I do find the D7000 as capable for my needs (and high ISO's are vital for BIF especially) in low light conditions.

The bottom line and my advice at present, if I were in your position, would be to buy the D700 and keep one D90. I always found the D90 an equally able camera for my use compared to even the D300 I had. I have got used to the D7000 and it is a very capable camera, if not well overpriced even now.

Your biggest decision in my view concern your existing lenses. If you have DX lenses only then it's going to be a poor move to a D700, or a very expensive one to buy 35mm lenses. Whereas, moving to the D7000 is not a problem of course.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that the D700 is a terrific camera. I can assure you the replacement will have to be some camera to make me change up. It certainly won't be because it has video!

A difficult decision only you can make, but I hope my experiences help in your decision making.

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sirraj Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Oct 2005Thu 30-Dec-10 01:55 PM
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#4. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Minneapolis, US
          

I went from a D90 to the D7000 and I couldn't be happier. The move from DX to FX can be very expensive. If you have DX lenses you need to factor in the cost of new lenses. Good Luck.

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#6. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Ultimately FX is where i wanted to be but heard such great things about the D7000 i was swaying.

Decisions, decisions

I have been eying a D700 for a while but with the D800 due next year i have been holding off. I never use the video so that wouldn't bother me, bit i'm guessing there will be other significant feature upgrades.

Richard, would you say the older D700 is far superior to the new D7000, ignoring FX/DX aspect? (If that's possible)

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#7. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Thu 30-Dec-10 03:56 PM by richardd300

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In my opinion the D700 is superior to the D7000. To re-enforce this, if I was to loose either, then let it be the D7000. I just cannot even contemplate photography without my D700. The D7000 is a potent weapon, no arguments there.

What annoys me mostly is this obsession that both Canon and Nikon have with Video. It is a substantial extra cost in the build of the camera. When the D800 (or whatever it's called) is launched I can promise you I will not even look at it's video spec. I never used it on the D90 and haven't even switched it on with the D7000. I'm a serious still photographer and have no need for such diversions, if I ever do I'll buy a dedicated video recorder.

In short, I think that Nikon will eventually abandon this fixation with combined still/video aspect in the pro cameras. I think that's what makes my D700 so special.

I'll put my hard hat on now having said that

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#16. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Fri 31-Dec-10 08:34 PM by dm1dave

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>Richard, would you say the older D700 is far superior to the
>new D7000, ignoring FX/DX aspect? (If that's possible)
>
>

If you judging this based on image quality then the d700 is not far superior to your d90.

Ergonomics are subjective, the d700 is bigger and heavier, the d7000 is smaller and lighter. Which is better for you? etc.

Where the d700 was better than the d90, low ISO shooting, the d7000 has caught up. The d700 may or may not do certain things better than the d7000 (depends who you ask and how they are using the camera), but if your looking for it to clearly outperform it, that is not going to happen.

In many ways this comparison is not camera dependent per se. To me this is really an issue of FX or DX. Ultimately this comes down to subjective ergonomic questions and the FX wide angle advantage vs. the DX telephoto advantage.

Jason

edit: I realized that Thom Hogan covered this in his d7000 review, he pretty much covers it:

See paragraphs under the heading “DX/FX Comment” is Thom’s review here... http://www.bythom.com/nikond7000review.htm

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KnightPhoto Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2006Thu 30-Dec-10 03:07 PM
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#5. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Alberta, CA
          

>I currently shoot with 2 D90's and want to upgrade.
>Initially i intended to go for the D700 for low light
>performance. Then the D7000 came along and by all accounts is
>a very good camera and very close to the D700. Anyone used
>both and got any thoughts/opinions they'd like to share?
>
>Oops and then of course i could wait for the D800.
>
>

I went D200-D300-D700-D7000 and am still shooting the latter 3.

1. For a wedding photographer add a D700 no question (I agree with Richard) but as Sirraj indicates it is a costly transition
2. With regard to waiting, probably doesn't hurt. But it may be better to swap one D90 for a D700 now and then later swap your 2nd D90 for either a D800 or D7000 depending on features (or maybe a bargain used D3S by then ).
3. D7000 is great but not as "maintenance free" as the D700 (so I agree with RRRoger there). I find myself needing a little more care in PP for D7000 but resulting images are great. D700 is such an easy camera to shoot and process (it is a dream camera).
4. D700 is cheap now and D800 will not be and will be difficult to obtain.

Good luck in your journey!

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comicalalien Gold Member Nikonian since 05th Sep 2009Fri 31-Dec-10 05:18 AM
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#8. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Fri 31-Dec-10 08:14 AM by briantilley

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I have a D90 as well as a D7000!

I have decided to keep the D90 (18-105mm VR lens) as my general everyday use camera; and the D7000 is my specialised camera for high quality shots.

The thing with the FX D700 is that it is coming up to be 3 years old in April 2011. The D800 is on the horizon. The new D800 will have the improved Expeed 2 chip and image processing engine as well as probably double the megapixels of the D700 for finer details. Going by the improved D7000, the new D800 will be a killer of a camera!

Regards to lenses, I purchesed an FX 24mm F/2.8 AF-D and a 50mm F/1.8 AF-D prime lenses for less than $500 AUD. Both of these are superb lenses on FX, and you don't really need any others as they would be overkill.

I am waiting for the D800 to hit the shelves and will use the Bigma 150-500mm OS HSM telephoto lens for wildlife photography on the D7000. This telephoto lens can also be used on FX cameras!

There you have it. You don't need a closet full of realy expensive lenses to obtain superb quality pictures.

You do not need to follow the crowd either!

Alot of people have more money than sense and their photography is still poor even with expensive professional grade lenses.

Use your intuition, only obtain what you really need!

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#9. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Fri 31-Dec-10 08:02 AM by DiamondPhotography

GB
          

I only actually have one DX lens, the rest will be fine on an FX body...

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#10. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Fri 31-Dec-10 08:06 AM by richardd300

Dyserth, GB
          

<comicalalien> That's a strange take on this thread! Good heavens, the D700 is going to be that old! There is an obsession about "newness" and the D700 will remain an absolutely superb camera for it's life time, let alone 3 years.

As for "money than sense and their photography still sucks even with expensive professional grade lenses", this is true also with those who haven't pro lenses. It is equally true of a rush to buy the newest camera Nikon release. This will always be the case. Yes, pro lenses are expensive, and the new FX camera will be equally so. Dollar for dollar I know which of them will be worth more in 5 years and it won't be the camera.

Apart from quality, but because of it too, a reason why pro glass is worthwhile is that second hand values remain high. I have both pro glass and other glass, each have their place and should be judged on their merit, not on their price. However, if one can afford pro glass then of course go for it.

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#11. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

If you have the FX lenses, and need a top camera for weddings, and with the prices of new D700 are dropping, I would recommend getting the D700 now. It is perfect for weddings, and you only need a couple lenses, a 24-70 and 70-200 would probably fill all the needs.
The D7000 has some traits that make it a very compelling camera, such as low ISO noise in another league, color and smooth color gradient that required a D3x before to achieve, but from all accounts it requires exacting technique, something a wedding photographer has few opportunities for except for formals. A D3s would be even more forgiving.
Obviously something is happening in the marketing channel, here in Russia prices are high for all Nikon gear, the D90 kit has been $2000 since it was introduced. But the D90, D300s, D700 and D3s are all in good supply on shelves and have sale prices. A D90 kit is now $1300 and a D300s kit is $1600. That suggests that the large retailers have knowledge of introductions that we don't. The D700 replacement might be just around the corner. Here, the D7000 body only sells for the same price as a D300s kit. D3s' are hard to find in the US but suddenly they are on the shelf of every store here. One chain with 14 stores within 15 minutes of my home each have 1-2 in stock. Something is happening in Nikonland.
But IF you need a FX camera for your work, get the D700 now. Even if a gee whiz D800 comes out in a few months, the price of a used D700 is not going to drop much. There is nothing in a D800 that will earn one penny more for you than your D90s or D700.

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#12. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Fri 31-Dec-10 12:22 PM by richardd300

Dyserth, GB
          

Very relevant comments Stan.

The lenses you mention with the FX format (plus the 14-24mm) are the ideal wedding lenses.

The D300s in the UK in late November dropped about £150 and now remains low. The D90 & D700 in many outlets are now lower too, but not by such a margin. The D7000 is also lower, but that's to be expected as with all new dSLR's after a few months.

It's all guess work, but my feeling is that the replacement will be for the D300s next as the D7000 has overshdowed it in so many ways, despite it's annoying traits. Oh, they are so annoying too, but provide great fun for those who love camera fiddling! Then the D700 replacement I think.

I do so agree that both the D700 and D3s will be the hardest acts to follow. The only thing I am sure of there will be no jumping in the deep end for me this time. I need about 2 years to recover from the effects of the D7000

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#13. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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US
          

>It's all guess work, but my feeling is that the replacement
>will be for the D300s next as the D7000 has overshdowed it in
>so many ways, despite it's annoying traits.


Guessing is fun, and as I posted elsewhere, I think it's possible that the D7000 IS the D300s replacement...that Nikon is morphing it's marketing strategy.

The D7000 is WAY more than a "consumer" recreational machine (a la D3100/D5000), and as is, (with maybe more of a buffer @14bit) it could easily have been badged a D400.

But, if a real D400 (or some such DX "pro" model) comes out, as I had been waiting for, it's going to be one heck of a camera!

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#14. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Dyserth, GB
          

In my opinion Bill, Nikon will never produce a pro camera with "scene" options, so I don't think it's a replacement for a D300s. However, I do believe it was always intended as a replacement for the D90. That way the Expeed2 processor has two cameras (D3100 & D7000) as a proving ground and different sensor pixel sizes too.

It's all hypothesis of course and yes fun also. My guess is that it will be a D400s with all the attributes of the D7000, the ruggedness of the D300s, upgraded video (yuk)but with the 51 focus points and some new gismo's to claim as "revolutionary". It's all about the battle of the brands.

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#15. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

The next Nikon due for an upgrade is perhaps the D700, but I do not expect it until Spring of 2012 (Nikon 4 year cycle).

However, I am sure the D400 and D4 will be announce this coming fall.

I am hoping for the 12mp D3s sensor finds it's way into a new product.
The new Expeed 2 processor is sure to be used.
And, we can expect more advances in Video, hopefully 60fps recording and much better auto focusing.

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#17. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Paignton, GB
          

>The next Nikon due for an upgrade is perhaps the D700, but I
>do not expect it until Spring of 2012 (Nikon 4 year cycle).
>
>However, I am sure the D400 and D4 will be announce this
>coming fall.

Just to make sure no-one is misled... neither you nor anyone else can be "sure" about the timing of future Nikon announcements.

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#18. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

Quoting Brian
>
>Just to make sure no-one is misled... neither you nor anyone
>else can be "sure" about the timing of future Nikon
>announcements.

So true!

Although I feel "sure", it is all pure speculation on my part.

Nikon astounded me with the D3 and really surprised me with the Spring time release of the D700.
The D3100 and D7000 were also unexpected.
There may not even be a D400 or D800.

What I am actually "sure" of is that both D700 and D7000 are excellent cameras and are available now.

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#19. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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GB
          

My original intention was to go for the D700 & 24-70 lens. I already have the 70-200. I was hoping not to need a 14-24 and just try and stand a little further back when required.

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#20. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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i do have a d7000 and a d700. depending on your needs, one may be better than the other. the d7000 has become my preferred body for newspaper work for the very large files that allow me to crop as i please and the shooting rate that is just a little faster than with the d700 (6 frames per second vs 5). however, in february, when i shoot the fireworks display at winter carnival, the d700 becomes the choice because its full frame allows me to get in a wider panorama.

regarding performance issues like autofocus and high ISOs, i am equally happy with both. the one glitch i found with the d7000 -- that it initially had problems with the nikkor 50mm f1.4, my favorite lens for getting close at basketball games -- was solved with a little custom focus tweaking. yesterday, i spent 8 hours shooting 5 high school basketball games for a newspaper with the d7000 and the 50mm and was delighted with the autofocus performance. i expect the same will happen with another old favorite -- the 85mm f1.4, which also needed the autofocus adjustment.

another consideration is weight. the d7000 is considerably lighter than the d700. now you may dismiss a few ounces difference, but as age catches up with you, it becomes important. i've got bursitis from spending hours at a time with my left arm bent like a chicken wing (too often a pod is impractical when tracking action). cutting a little weight helps a lot. i had the same experience when i used to go around with a pair of d1 or d2 models hanging around my neck. when i switched to lighter models with the d300 and d700, the chronic neck pain disappeared. as my dad used to say: "getting old sucks."

  

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DiamondPhotography Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Dec 2010Fri 31-Dec-10 06:13 PM
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#21. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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The weight is a good point actually as i'm also looking at upgrading my SB-600 flash for an SB-900 which is considerably bigger. With the difference in the flash and the body it will be getting on for 0.5 kilo heavier...

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DiamondPhotography Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Dec 2010Fri 11-Feb-11 10:46 PM
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#22. "RE: D7000 or D700 or Wait?"
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Well after much deliberation i finally opted for the D700. It will be delivered in the morning. Got a good deal on ebay, £1250 for 2 month old camera with receipt from Jessops. I have also bought a 24-70mm lens which should arrive early next week. I have bought this new as could find any good deal on ebay. I will let you know my thought in a few days...

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