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newfoundlander61 Registered since 03rd Feb 2013Wed 19-Jun-13 03:24 PM
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"D7000 or D7100"


Kingston, CA
          

Well with money saved I am now ready to buy a 2nd body to replace my D50. The lenses I use mainly are (1) 80-400VR older ver and (2) Nikkor 50mm AF f/1.8D
Is the jump from a 5MP camera to a 24MP to great with the lenses I have in regards to obtaining good image quality. Is the 16 MP a better step forward. Assuming that with my lenses excellent technique is needed to get good results or am I just ove thinking it. Thanks for any input on this, appreciate it.

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blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004Wed 19-Jun-13 03:46 PM
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#1. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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Richmond, US
          

You'll be fine. You may discover that your technique isn't as good as you thought. It will be easier now to tell that these lenses aren't as good as some of the others - for example it will now be easier to see that the new 80-400 afs is somewhat better than the older 80-400 afd. But you won't find that you get terrible results. In fact if you downsize your 24mp file to 6mp (same size as your d50), the results will be as good and probably better.

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Bushido7100 Registered since 03rd Jun 2013Fri 21-Jun-13 03:36 PM
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I went from a D80 (10mp) to a D7100 with legacy lens as well. 17-35 2.8 80-200 2.8 50 1.4. I received the camera on Thursday and went to an Airshow on Saturday. The disappointing Images indicated that in addition to learning the new parameters, menus and button layout, I also had to refine my technique to compensate to the additional resolution. All is well now, and I could not be happier with the D7100.

  

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MarkM10431 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Apr 2013Fri 21-Jun-13 08:03 PM
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#3. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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Fri 21-Jun-13 08:04 PM by MarkM10431

jacksonville, US
          

it really is a steep learning curve. i too went from a D80 to 7100.

here is a night image from the D80

and a day shot with the 7100, bot using the same 18-55 kit lens
and for a more apples-apples comparison, a discussion on my perceived "graininess" of a 7100 image.

http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=329&topic_id=28344&mesg_id=28344&page=

either camera is a great investment. my philosophy was to get the bleeding edge, so it lasts longer as I acquire better glass

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Praana Registered since 12th Apr 2013Sat 22-Jun-13 10:06 PM
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#4. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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The D7100 isn't much of an upgrade if you consider image quality.

  

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km6xz Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Portraits and Urban Photography Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009Sun 23-Jun-13 04:12 AM
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Sun 23-Jun-13 10:31 AM by km6xz

St Petersburg, RU
          

That might be true if images are viewed on low res 96dpi screens and sized small but there will be a significant difference if printed large or on some of high res screens becoming available. Cropping is possible with a d7100 and not with a low res camera file. The additional 3-4 stops of dr has a significant impact on images
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mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, sports, commercial, and events coverage, Mick is always ready to help Nikonians by sharing his deep knowledge of photography and printing. Nikonian since 08th Dec 2006Sun 23-Jun-13 02:09 PM
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#6. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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Tacoma, US
          

>The D7100 isn't much of an upgrade if you consider image
>quality.
Statements like this could use a little more explanation. What do you think is not significantly better about the IQ from a D7100 vs a D50?

For me, the dynamic range increase alone is enough to say the D7100 is better.

Or are you comparing the D7000 to the D7100?

In that case the IQ changes are less obvious, but 50% more MP and no anti-alias filter are important. But many of the differences are in the hardware making the camera more usable and useful.

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Praana Registered since 12th Apr 2013Mon 24-Jun-13 01:05 AM
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#7. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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Mon 24-Jun-13 01:07 AM by Praana

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>>The D7100 isn't much of an upgrade if you consider image
>>quality.
>Statements like this could use a little more explanation. What
>do you think is not significantly better about the IQ from a
>D7100 vs a D50?

You are correct. I could use some explanation. I have tried both D7000 and D7100. I was not comparing with D50. Let me explain below.

>Or are you comparing the D7000 to the D7100?
>
>In that case the IQ changes are less obvious, but 50% more MP
>and no anti-alias filter are important. But many of the
>differences are in the hardware making the camera more usable
>and useful.
>

I found the images in D7100 to be grainier. The pictures I took with the D7000 were much better. I used the 35mm 1.8 and the Tamron 70-300. But please note, most of my pictures were indoors. The absence of a anti-alias filter, I heard, is good for landscape photography. The indoor pictures, particularly when multiple colors are involved, will not render as good. Maybe this is the reason I am partial towards D7000.

Overall, it depends what the OP was looking for. If landscape photography is the criteria, he may go for the D7100.

  

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Mon 24-Jun-13 10:25 AM
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Mon 24-Jun-13 10:49 AM by richardd300

Dyserth, GB
          

An interesting thread as I have a D7100 and sold my D7000 to fund it. The D7100 to me is the best DX I've ever had. I use the D7100 for wildlife and for this reason alone the removal of the AA filter IMO makes the D7100 stand out from the D7000. In addition and I know there are those who will say it's a gimmick, the x1.3 crop on the D7100 helps me with my wildlife techniques. Also, the ability to crop a greater area because of the pixels available is an added bonus. I have used it for landscape albeit rarely and similarly the results are extremely good and in my view an improvement on the D7000.

As for high ISO noise, I don't find it a problem up to ISO800 and even if my cropping is minimal up to ISO1600 gives satisfactory results. In comparison to the D7000 I find ISO noise at similar settings about the same.

Finally and as has been mentioned, as sensors increase in pixel size, some older lenses will start to show lower capability with regards to IQ. In my case the differences are not an issue as nearly all my lenses are either pro grade or recent editions. Even my 3rd Party lenses, the Sigma 50-500mm OS and 105mm OS macro give excellent results. Certainly your 80-400mm VR will work well and you shouldn't only notice much of a difference, however you must prepare whether you choose the D7000 or D7100 to change your shooting techniques.

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#9. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

The D7100 is a more flexible camera but the comments about higher grain has some merit not because the D7100 is in anyway weak in that area but the D7000 at ISO 100 is so quiet, no DX camera and only 3 cameras of any format had lower read noise. For those working at low ISO this translates to more flexible files in being able to push shadows a couple stops more than the D7100. Most of the uses for users of Dx require higher ISO however to the differences melt away and the increased resolution swings the IQ pointer distinctly towards the D7100. I still like my D7000 but I am primarily using it with flash and low ISO.
For most users, the benefits of the D7100 super AF and resolution would be desired more. If my primary camera was not the D800, I would have traded the D7000 for a D7100 in a minute. As it is now commonly rumored that the d400 is not a pipe dream and more of a probable, I am content to wait until it shows....or not.
No company has offered such great cameras that even the smallest nuance if used to differentiate first from second place.
But then again, I went out and shot with my D90 last week and had almost forgotten how good that is, possibly the optimum balance between forgiving technique flaws and quality of images and bullet proof body. With the grip and two batteries is it heavier than a D800 without a grip.
I am in Finland today shooting landscape and looking for a possible summer home, beautiful country. I am shooting the D800 with the 24.14 and the D7000 with the 10-20.
Stan
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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Mon 24-Jun-13 12:19 PM
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#10. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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Dyserth, GB
          

<<I am in Finland today shooting landscape and looking for a possible summer home, beautiful country.>> I'll second that.

<<But then again, I went out and shot with my D90 last week and had almost forgotten how good that is>>

and that sums up my feelings of the D90 in a nutshell. This was why and the only reason why, I had such a bad journey initially with my D7000. The D7000 was so different in every way, not worse but infuriatingly difficult to master, for me anyway! Transition to the D7100 was then an easy trip though.

Enjoy Finland.

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Bravozulu Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Jun 2012Wed 26-Jun-13 08:18 PM
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#11. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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Los Angeles, US
          

Good comments. I've got a D7000 and am totally happy with it. I went to the camera store and tried the D7100 because I was interested in better viewfinder icons and a sharper LCD screen. Nothing more. Don't care about the extra megapixels and other refinements.

I was in surgery and released from rehab yesterday. In the time I was a prisoner of the health industry, it seems news of an impending D400 over-rides most of the arguments about the D7100 advantages.

Do I understand that correctly? Keeping in mind that I'd have to sell my D7000, and want to keep my DX lenses (4 of them). And I really appreciate light weight and compactness.

Thanks to all.

Gary the gimp.

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ajkennekam Registered since 10th Apr 2013Sat 06-Jul-13 09:16 AM
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#12. "Keep the D50"
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I am sorry I ever sold my D50. It seems to have a special affinity with the old 80-400VR and I got some excellent shots with this combo.

The D7100 does offer a lot more, but I find I have to work a lot harder. You have to pay a lot more attention to long lens techniques and support. With the D50 I found that as long as I was at 1/500 I could just point and shoot with the 80-400VR. With the D7100 I find I need a much higher shutter speed due to the increased pixels, even with the new 80-400VR AF-S.

By all means get the D7100, but keep the D50. It was and remains a seriously good camera.

  

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Bill Kennedy Gold Member Nikonian since 17th Jan 2013Sat 06-Jul-13 10:37 AM
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#13. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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Christiansburg, US
          

I disagree--I have both and strongly prefer the 7100. Test shots taken with the 7100 had better IQ than those from the 7000. Lower high ISO noise (I take a lot of sports shots indoors in marginal lighting).

That is not to say I was displeased with the 7000. It is an awesome camera that is better than 98% of what is on the market today.

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Vlad_IT Silver Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2011Sat 13-Jul-13 04:30 AM
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#14. "RE: D7000 or D7100"
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Sat 13-Jul-13 04:32 AM by Vlad_IT

US
          

After putting a lot of time in evaluating current offers i'm skipping D7100 and will wait for D400. I shoot only in RAW and limitation of D7100 buffer is a bummer to me. Most photographers don't even use the whole potential of D7000 sensor, which has an excellent low noise, especially at base ISO 100.

Just couple of images I like from D7000 at ISO 6,400 and at ISO 25.600 (Hi-2):


ISO 6,400




ISO 25,600






Best regards,
Vlad

  

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