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stash Gold Member Charter MemberTue 19-Mar-13 10:17 PM
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"Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
Tue 19-Mar-13 10:21 PM by stash

Auburn, US
          

Going crazy deciding between the cameras, D800, D600 and now the D7100.

D800 too much pixels 36MP--would like 16MP in FX--at a reasonable cost
D600--paranoid about the dust issue

7100---thinking

Anyway how much of a difference or maybe you could not tell of the D600 vs the new D7100?

Could you tell???

Much thanks!!

Stash

PS==I loved my D300, but sold it----But it blew out highlight sometimes, this is why the question.

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Tue 19-Mar-13 10:22 PM
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#1. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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US
          

>PS==I loved my D300, but sold it----But it blew out highlight
>sometimes, this is why the question.
>

The D7000 had super DR. The D7100 is very much in that mold, and I don't think you'd find it blowing Highlights very often...

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Pugzilla Gold Member Nikonian since 05th Aug 2008Wed 20-Mar-13 02:36 PM
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#2. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Boca Raton, US
          

Hi Stash,

DXO labs measured the D600 sensor at 14.2 EV dynamic range (one of the best tested) and the D7000 sensor at 13.9 EV (also, quite excellent). I would assume that the D7100 sensor would exceed the D7000's, so basically, it would appear that the D7100 would have at least about the same DR and possibly even greater DR than the D600.

Since as a D300 owner, I'm sure you have DX lenses, so if DR is the only criterium for comparison in this case, save $800 - $1000, keep your lenses and get the D7100.

I sure like mine, so far.


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JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2009Wed 20-Mar-13 05:35 PM
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#3. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Toronto, CA
          

I would add that a less than 1 EV difference is unlikely to be noticeable in practice, so even if the DR didn't improve from the D7000, the DR is on par with the D600.

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stash Gold Member Charter MemberWed 20-Mar-13 05:43 PM
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#4. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Wed 20-Mar-13 05:51 PM by stash

Auburn, US
          

Thanks to all for your help.

Only lenses I have right now are 50mm 1.8 and 70-300 VR... I had a D300 as stated before and had a 16-85 which I liked, BUT I really want a FX –the D600 dust issue scares me and the D800 is too $$ for a body, rather spend the $$ on good glass. I was thinking get the 7100 and 16-35 F/4 glass. Then when new a FX body comes out maybe 600s, etc., or they fix the D600 issue "offically" I can use the 16-35 on it and sell the 7100. Good plan? Most of my shooting in in the 16-50 range----rarely use the 70-300. An the 16-35 is the only wide angle in VR

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Wed 20-Mar-13 05:48 PM
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#5. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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US
          

Then when
>new a FX body comes out maybe 600s, etc., or they fix the D600
>issue "offically" I can use the 16-35 on it and sell
>the 7100. Good plan?
>
>Thanks
>
>Stash
>

Much as I think the D7100 is setting a new benchmark for DX, and in some ways all cameras, I would think a new D600, coming from a high-volume retailer would have the kinks worked out...

I'd just get a D600.

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#6. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Aliso Viejo, US
          

I'm struggling with the decision as well. I had a d90 for about a year then a d7000 for a year or so then something happened where I lost interest and sold my gear. Now the interest is back and I regret selling. I'm looking at the 7100 and 600. It's a tough one. Looking at the specs it seems to me the 7100 is superior in every way except sensor size. That's what I'm struggling with. I'm shocked at the lack of updated reviews. Seems like most are from back in February before the 7100 was released.

As far as what I use the camera for, well that makes it tougher because I like all types of photography. Landscape, portraits, race cars, just walking around photographing random stuff. That covers both of them. What messes things up more is I'm the type that always wants the best I can afford, most current technology even if it has functions I won't use. I always over buy "just in case I may need it"

Then there is he question "how much better are an entry level FX photos than the top of the line DX, and can most people tell in a blind comparison?" And if the FX photos are better does it make up for the reported focusing speed and other little function the 7100 has over the 600?

Why does Nikon have to make my decisions so difficult!?!

  

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Thu 21-Mar-13 12:22 AM
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#7. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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US
          

I had a d90 for
>about a year then a d7000 for a year or so then something
>happened where I lost interest and sold my gear. Now the
>interest is back and I regret selling.

I'm of the view that if you don't know why you need something, you don't usually need it at all.

I'd go for the D7100 (great), and go from there.

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EvolutionX Registered since 20th Mar 2013Thu 21-Mar-13 01:02 AM
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#9. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Aliso Viejo, US
          

> I had a d90 for
>>about a year then a d7000 for a year or so then something
>>happened where I lost interest and sold my gear. Now the
>>interest is back and I regret selling.
>
>I'm of the view that if you don't know why you need something,
>you don't usually need it at all.
>
>I'd go for the D7100 (great), and go from there.

I'm leaning that way and your POV makes sense in theory. I have just never been able to follow it. I may rent the 600 just to see how it feels to use an FX. They will discount the camera by the amount of the rental if I decide to buy.

  

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#10. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

Since your priority is the best you can get within your budget, the lenses alone will determine what is left over of for the relatively minor dent the body will make by comparison. Good lenses are expensive and make a difference. FX, if you talk to typical long time full frame users, have about $10,000 invested in lenses. That figure goes up quite a bit if their hobby includes wildlife or birds in flight. Given this fact, I am confused by what you are really looking for.
A casual look, such as viewing from the normal viewing distance and print size will fail to reveal any real difference between a D90 and a D600 or D7100. Pixel peeping, that very destructive habit that will retard a photographers developing a creative style, will show differences. The same goes for painters who only judge their work with a microscope viewing individual bristle marks, they never learn to communicate something worth viewing by others. The reason you like or dislike or are indifferent to any art, be it, music, paint, clay/stone, photo print, has nothing to do with the technology used in its creation.
The problem with the new incremental spec improvements is the loss of understanding of a photograph is not such a technical creation so a well shot and composed D40 image will be more compelling and likely to win an award than a D800 image that that was not. No, you can't tell a difference in brand or model by looking at a photo, whether you enjoy a photo has almost nothing to do with the technology involved.
The order of priority in influencing the quality of the image are:
#1 Compelling vision, something interesting to say
#2 Lighting and its creative use
#3 Lens
#4 Camera
Notice the first two that have the greatest impact are not expensive, in fact are free but also the rarest.
Maybe you should get a point and shoot and reingage photograph from the image point of view and then later if there is some technical aspect that could help, you will not have doubts or confusion, you will know what is needed. The point and shoot has the great advantage in being with you so is more likely to get the keeper shot that reignites your interest. The D90 you got rid of was a very competent camera and was capable of stunning visual art. A used D90 would give you the rest of your budget for lighting and a good lens or two.
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#11. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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NZ
          

Nice post, it is easy to get lost in the equipment specifications...

  

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#12. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Thu 21-Mar-13 08:33 AM by briantilley

Aliso Viejo, US
          

I agree 100% and I have scoured every book and magazine on the subject the last couple of years to educate myself as much as possible on the subject. I even understand the concept of good glass. I really don't pixel peep either. As I said with the previous response. I'm in full agreement in theory. Just doesn't scratch the itch getting a point and shoot even though its very capable in the right hands. Thinking back to my original post it was probably more typing out loud and not really a question that can be answered. But I appreciate all the advice and enjoy reading the posts.

  

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#14. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

An oft-overlooked aspect of photography is the enjoyment to be found in the process of making the photo, quite apart from the final result. Yes, we all want results that we are proud to show, but equipment that helps make it fun to produce those results has inherent value. There is nothing wrong with wanting better equipment just because it will give you a more satisfying picture making experience. Just don't delude yourself that new equipment will automatically lead to better photographs.

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#19. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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US
          

>I agree 100% and I have scoured every book and magazine on
>the subject the last couple of years to educate myself as much
>as possible on the subject. I even understand the concept of
>good glass. I really don't pixel peep either. As I said with
>the previous response. I'm in full agreement in theory. Just
>doesn't scratch the itch getting a point and shoot even though
>its very capable in the right hands. Thinking back to my
>original post it was probably more typing out loud and not
>really a question that can be answered. But I appreciate all
>the advice and enjoy reading the posts.
>

You're in Aliso Viejo, I'm in Carlsbad.. If you wanted to see my D7100 vs my D700 as a comparison iI would be happy to oblige.

  

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#20. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Fri 22-Mar-13 03:30 PM by BGD600

GB
          

If it's any help, I upgraded from a d80 to a d600 as I'd always wanted the larger viewfinder and shallower dof that fx provides - I don't regret it for a second, it's a fantastic piece of kit and the metering/wb and quality of high iso are IMO amazing.

My other half has a d7000 and that too is a great piece of kit, but if I had to let one body go it would be the d7000.

Edit: forgot to say that, given the choice, I'd have prefered a wider spread of AF points on the d600. If that's important to you, then the 7100 might be a better choice?

  

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#21. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Aliso Viejo, US
          

Thanks. I'll let you know. Still a couple of months and a few good commissions away from making the purchase. But I will let you know. Thanks for the offer.


>>I agree 100% and I have scoured every book and magazine
>on
>>the subject the last couple of years to educate myself as
>much
>>as possible on the subject. I even understand the concept
>of
>>good glass. I really don't pixel peep either. As I said
>with
>>the previous response. I'm in full agreement in theory.
>Just
>>doesn't scratch the itch getting a point and shoot even
>though
>>its very capable in the right hands. Thinking back to my
>>original post it was probably more typing out loud and
>not
>>really a question that can be answered. But I appreciate
>all
>>the advice and enjoy reading the posts.
>>
>
>You're in Aliso Viejo, I'm in Carlsbad.. If you wanted to see
>my D7100 vs my D700 as a comparison iI would be happy to
>oblige.

  

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#22. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Mon 25-Mar-13 12:18 AM by N80

Rock Hill, US
          

>Given this fact, I am confused by what you are really looking
>for.


Eloquent post. And in theory fairly reasonable. But in a practical sense it makes some assumptions that may apply to the OP but not necessarily to any other photographer or even other forms of photography. You can shoehorn most photography into your 4 priorities but it would just be forcing the issue. For a sports photographer frames per second, autofocus speed, burst rates etc may be a priority....most of which depend on the body. All the vision, lighting and high end glass would be to no avail when the subject is a fast paced motor sports event or football game and the body cannot meet those needs.

Yes, there still has to be vision and there still has to be light, but you get my point.

But, I'm not just trying to be argumentative and your points are well taken. I just have a different view when it comes to purchasing a camera body.

I love photography. And over the years as I've moved up in terms of camera body quality and features I have found that the body itself opens doors to different types of photography many of which I'd have never guessed or even had any way of knowing that I'd be interested in.

When I started I was primarily into landscape. Then B&W landscape and stills. Now wildlife, motor sports, equestrian. And always....snapshots and travel.

And in that regard, I am now of the opinion that I want the best, most robust and feature rich body I can afford at the time. And I will never feel any compulsion to justify that I 'need' this or that feature. When I got my D200 I had no idea that 4 years later I would 'need' a much faster frame rate, faster AF and now far better high ISO performance. So that odd little feature that makes no sense to my current field might be critical to my next. Given the nature of modern DSLRs, why not have it all........or as much as you can afford?

In that regard, as one who has been eagerly awaiting a D400, the D7100 sure is compelling. And I could probably afford whatever the D400 will cost but not much more. So I am torn about purchasing a D7100 now or waiting for a body that may never come...and probably won't. Image quality, DR, high ISO quality and even AF speed/accuracy of the D7100 will greatly exceed my D200. But not the frame rate. Sigh.

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#23. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Washington, US
          

>>>
>In that regard, as one who has been eagerly awaiting a D400,
>the D7100 sure is compelling. And I could probably afford
>whatever the D400 will cost but not much more. So I am torn
>about purchasing a D7100 now or waiting for a body that may
>never come...and probably won't.

I feel the very same way. I'm still holding out hope for a D400 in the next few months, but if it doesn't come, Nikon will have saved me a lot of money since I'll stick with my D300s - so I win either way I guess. Not that I really need it, but it would be hard for me to take a step backwards in cameras after getting used to using such a nice camera as the D300s.

Mike

  

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#28. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
In response to Reply # 23


Aliso Viejo, US
          

I may have been out of the camera scene for a year or so but it seems to me the 7100 is your d400. What else could they add to upgrade the 7100 other than a full frame sensor? Maybe better weather protection? Seems to me from the specs a proposed d400 couldn't really update focus or picture quality. Maybe burst rate? But would nikon really have a new model for that? Maybe I'm just out of it since I haven't been on this site in awhile, but that would be my thought.


>>>>
>>In that regard, as one who has been eagerly awaiting a
>D400,
>>the D7100 sure is compelling. And I could probably afford
>>whatever the D400 will cost but not much more. So I am
>torn
>>about purchasing a D7100 now or waiting for a body that
>may
>>never come...and probably won't.
>
>I feel the very same way. I'm still holding out hope for a
>D400 in the next few months, but if it doesn't come, Nikon
>will have saved me a lot of money since I'll stick with my
>D300s - so I win either way I guess. Not that I really need
>it, but it would be hard for me to take a step backwards in
>cameras after getting used to using such a nice camera as the
>D300s.

  

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#33. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
In response to Reply # 28


HIXSON, US
          

>I may have been out of the camera scene for a year or so but
>it seems to me the 7100 is your d400. What else could they add
>to upgrade the 7100 other than a full frame sensor? Maybe
>better weather protection? Seems to me from the specs a
>proposed d400 couldn't really update focus or picture quality.
>Maybe burst rate? But would nikon really have a new model for
>that? Maybe I'm just out of it since I haven't been on this
>site in awhile, but that would be my thought.

Brian,

There have been several forums on just that issue. I can tell you that there are a lot of folks that much prefer some of the controls like the AF-On button, and the weight/size/aesthetics of the D300/D300s over the D7100.

I just got my D7100 about an hour ago, and while some things have improved over the D7000, there are still some things that I prefer that are on my D300. The extra CX Format (1.3X) on the D7100 is something that I hope will help my birding and sports photography. Most of what will be cropped off, I would have done away with anyway. Just hope I have no focusing issues.

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#24. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Chula Vista, US
          

The d7100 does exceed the frame rate on your D200, check out the specs.

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#25. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Rock Hill, US
          

>The d7100 does exceed the frame rate on your D200, check out
>the specs.

Yes, by 1 frame per second. And that _might_ be enough. Not sure at this point.

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JerryLoSardo Silver Member Charter MemberTue 26-Mar-13 03:09 PM
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#26. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Wed 27-Mar-13 04:04 PM by JerryLoSardo

Frederick, US
          

Well said, Stan. Your post should be pinned at the top of every lens and body forum.

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jonmcguffin Registered since 16th Mar 2013Fri 22-Mar-13 05:25 AM
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#18. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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US
          

>I'm struggling with the decision as well. I had a d90 for
>about a year then a d7000 for a year or so then something
>happened where I lost interest and sold my gear. Now the
>interest is back and I regret selling. I'm looking at the 7100
>and 600. It's a tough one. Looking at the specs it seems to me
>the 7100 is superior in every way except sensor size. That's
>what I'm struggling with. I'm shocked at the lack of updated
>reviews. Seems like most are from back in February before the
>7100 was released.
>
>As far as what I use the camera for, well that makes it
>tougher because I like all types of photography. Landscape,
>portraits, race cars, just walking around photographing random
>stuff. That covers both of them. What messes things up more is
>I'm the type that always wants the best I can afford, most
>current technology even if it has functions I won't use. I
>always over buy "just in case I may need it"
>
>Then there is he question "how much better are an entry
>level FX photos than the top of the line DX, and can most
>people tell in a blind comparison?" And if the FX photos
>are better does it make up for the reported focusing speed and
>other little function the 7100 has over the 600?
>
>Why does Nikon have to make my decisions so difficult!?!

Just my two cents but being a D90, D7000, and a D700 owner (and now D7100) I would recommend the D7100 over the D600. I think as you said D7100 superior in everyday but the sensor except that noise performance from the D7100 is looking really good (search forums here). That means now you only have focal length differences. Well, here is what I would do...

DX is a disadvantage on the wide end. Buy a good DX wide lens like the Tokina 11-16 or their new 12-28 F4. Then buy FX class glass from there.

Sigma 35mm (equiv to 50mm)
Nikon 50mm 1.8 (equiv to 77mm)
Nikon 85mm 1.8 (equiv to 130mm)
Then either the 70-200 F4, 70-200 2.8, or 80-200 2.8

Point is, you've coveted all your ranges and if you ever upgrade to FF, you are covered still (sell the DX wide).

You could switch out the primes maybe for the good Tamron 24-70 2.8 w/IS.

I think that makes most sense personally.

  

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Chuckv Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Mar 2009Thu 28-Mar-13 10:34 AM
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#32. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Lafayette, US
          


>BUT I really want a FX –the D600 dust issue scares me and the
>D800 is too $$ for a body, rather spend the $$ on good glass.
>I was thinking get the 7100 and 16-35 F/4 glass. Then when

If you really want an FX body at a great price that is solid, get a good used D700 for very close to the D7100 cost!

I have had just about every series discussed, and still retain and shoot my D700, a D4, and purchased a D7100. The good glass is most mportant, but having said that, other then special cercomstances, I have a really hard time throwing rocks at either of them.

In fact, I am shooting my D4 less and considering selling it.

Just my $2 dollars worth........
>new a FX body comes out maybe 600s, etc., or they fix the D600
>issue "offically" I can use the 16-35 on it and sell
>the 7100. Good plan? Most of my shooting in in the 16-50
>range----rarely use the 70-300. An the 16-35 is the only wide
>angle in VR
>
>Thanks
>
>Stash
>
Best of luck on your choice, and if you want a D4 let me know?

Chuck

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km6xz Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Portraits and Urban Photography Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009Thu 21-Mar-13 12:59 AM
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#8. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

If your D300 blew highlights, so will any other camera ever made sometimes. Why not get a used D300s since they are very low now and you already know and like that camera?
And stop blowing highlights by taking a workshop in exposure and or read some of the good books on the subject. Any time you are not in complete control of illumination you will run into scenes that exceed the dynamic range of any camera every made. Knowing how to prevent damage by learning how to evaluate a scene's tone range by sight and knowing what the exposure meter can and can't tell you would resolve that problem.
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eskil23 Registered since 04th Dec 2012Thu 21-Mar-13 08:14 AM
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#13. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Thu 21-Mar-13 08:15 AM by eskil23

SE
          

If you really want a FX, then don't let the dust issue with the D600 scare you. Blow away 1000 shots, clean it or leave it in for cleaning, and the problems are gone, if there ever was any...

Personaly I go for the D7100. The benefits of FX is not worth the price IMHO.

  

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torwood Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Dec 2010Thu 21-Mar-13 09:28 PM
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#15. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Jefferson Hills, US
          

I take the other approach - even though I am a DX guy. If you don't need reach (which seems like you don't), and you don't need the faster AF of the D7100 (which you may for race cars), then get the D600. Even though I shoot DX because I can't afford the glass I would need to shoot sports on FX, I believe that FX is better in every way than DX (except for reach).

Before the D7100 came out, my "upgrade" camera from my D7000 would have been a D600. No brainer. Now, my decision is a lot harder, because the D7100 seems to seriously approach the D600 performance at high ISOs, and yet also has a faster AF system.

That said, if I didn't shoot things that move fast, the D600 would be my camera.

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EvolutionX Registered since 20th Mar 2013Thu 21-Mar-13 10:35 PM
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#16. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Aliso Viejo, US
          

Well actually the reach was the main reason why I was resisting the 600. And a little due to higher cost and focus. When I was doing shots of kids soccer games it was nice with that extra reach. Usually rented the 70-200 2.8 and it was pretty good. Rented a 300 once which was nice but focus seemed kind of slow and tough not having the zoom.

I'll probably go with the 7100 but I have a month or so before I can. I may still change my mind.


>I take the other approach - even though I am a DX guy. If
>you don't need reach (which seems like you don't), and you
>don't need the faster AF of the D7100 (which you may for race
>cars), then get the D600. Even though I shoot DX because I
>can't afford the glass I would need to shoot sports on FX, I
>believe that FX is better in every way than DX (except for
>reach).
>
>Before the D7100 came out, my "upgrade" camera from
>my D7000 would have been a D600. No brainer. Now, my
>decision is a lot harder, because the D7100 seems to seriously
>approach the D600 performance at high ISOs, and yet also has a
>faster AF system.
>
>That said, if I didn't shoot things that move fast, the D600
>would be my camera.

  

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Thu 21-Mar-13 11:29 PM
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#17. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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US
          

>Well actually the reach was the main reason why I was
>resisting the 600. And a little due to higher cost and focus.
>When I was doing shots of kids soccer games it was nice with
>that extra reach. Usually rented the 70-200 2.8 and it was
>pretty good. Rented a 300 once which was nice but focus seemed
> kind of slow and tough not having the zoom.
>
>I'll probably go with the 7100 but I have a month or so before
>I can. I may still change my mind.
>

And that's the beauty of the times in which we live.

You almost can't make a bad choice here, because either camera would blow the doors off what pros were using very effectively 6 or 7 years ago.

I am not hungering for FX because I have a GREAT super-wide DX Zoom, a GREAT wide-midrange zoom, and I like the reach on my 300/4.

Even so, the superfast AF of the D7100 is another factor, considering it's coming in at several hundred dollars LESS than the D600.

But, you know, we have fun agonizing over these decisions, in part because there's a plethora of options previously unavailable to the average photographer.

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fsudebbie Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Feb 2008Tue 26-Mar-13 05:18 PM
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#27. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Port Charlotte, FL, US
          

Reading all these posts makes my brain hurt...LOL. You guys bring up so many valid points both for and against each format and it is great to see it all laid out in black and white. I have a D50 that I bought when I first got back into photography and it was not until I had been shooting for awhile that I realized its shortcomings. I am mainly a wildlife photographer with birds being my favorite. I can't really afford the glass it takes to shoot the little guys, so the bigger birds in flight are what I usually go for. I know that the D7100 is not the best choice for this type of photography, but since I travel a lot and take landscape and location photos also, I think I may be satisfied with this camera in that aspect. A bit of a trade-off I guess. Plus the lower price may allow me to pick up a longer used lens.

Debbie D. (Port Charlotte, FL)
Now shooting nice things for fun instead of gross things for a living.

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Wed 27-Mar-13 12:18 AM
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#29. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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US
          

I know
>that the D7100 is not the best choice for this type of
>photography...

Compared to what? The D600?


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km6xz Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Portraits and Urban Photography Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009Wed 27-Mar-13 07:42 AM
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#30. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

Debbie, the d7100 sounds like a perfect match for your bird photography and exceeds the needs of landscape photography in that you do not need low noise above 400 ISO or pro level AF speed. Those latter points are just icing on the cake in case you get into other subjects such as sports or the little one on the wing.
The D600 will have slightly better image quality just from the size of the frame, and that wide FX lenses tend to be very good, but at a high cost.
You can't go wrong with either but for bird photography, the D7100 would be even less "wrong". For my uses, the D600 woud be very good(landscape, portraiture and low light events....plus have a bag full of good FX lenses)but the D7100 sounds like a better match for your subjects.
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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter MemberWed 27-Mar-13 01:52 PM
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#31. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

Maybe, I've been lucky.
I've been buying the first/latest Nikon available in my area since the D1.
The only problem/lemon was a D300 that I retuned to get a second D3.
I've only had one sensor cleaning and a rare bulb blow out for dust since then.

Be sure to buy from a local dealer where you can get "Hands On",
or from some one like B&H who has a no quivel return policy.

I currently have the D7100, D600, and D800.
To me the D800 is worth the extra money.
I like everything about it best, but I like to shoot wide not long.

However, with the same glass, I have a very hard time telling any difference in quality
when looking at the same large size image.
So, if you have a very limited budget and little or no glass,
I would get a D7100 and AF-S Nikkor 28-300 VR lens.

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fsudebbie Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Feb 2008Sat 27-Apr-13 02:32 AM
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#34. "RE: Dynamic range 7100 VS D600?"
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Port Charlotte, FL, US
          

Thanks all for your input. I pulled the trigger on the D7100.

Debbie D. (Port Charlotte, FL)
Now shooting nice things for fun instead of gross things for a living.

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