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"Nikon announces D7100"


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Check it out here:

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dm1dave Administrator Awarded for high level knowledge and skills in various areas, most notably in Wildlife and Landscape Writer Ribbon awarded for his excellent article contributions to the Nikonians community Nikonian since 12th Sep 2006Thu 21-Feb-13 04:01 AM
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Thanks for the link Scott!

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Good news: since it's priced at the same $1200 as the D7000 is at now (in the US), that leaves a $800 gap to the D600, enough space for a D400 to slot in at $1600 or so, even? Let's hope!

  

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Uh at this point it is fairly safe to assume the D300 replacement is here: it is the 7100.

Nikon has literally refreshed their entire lineup, some parts twice over, since the 300(s) was released.

It is admirable how dearly people have held the faith though.

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What I am thinking out loud is that the D7100 has only 6fps and smallish buffer; for me these factors add up to room for a D400 above this in both features and price.

Now a "true D700 replacement" coming I'm still not convinced, but save that topic for a different forum

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Thu 21-Feb-13 04:59 AM by jec6613

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>What I am thinking out loud is that the D7100 has only 6fps
>and smallish buffer; for me these factors add up to room for
>a D400 above this in both features and price.

Also the long finder blackout, semi-plastic build, lack of a 10 pin terminal, etc. Also that NPS still lists the D300(s) as the only pro camera, the D7000 is only suitable as a back up body.

And then there's Nikon's way of making six models when two will do, just like at the Nikon 1 system, the rumored 7D Mk II, and all the clues lead me to believe the D400 is more likely than not.

The problem is the way they're marketing it as the flagship ... so I honestly don't know for sure. Also, the features missing aren't exactly headline features except to someone who really needs them. Not that I particularly care, I want a D7x00 series (and I'm going to wait for the D7100 to be put through its paces for a month before deciding which one), it just seems to me that it makes sense. The $800 gap in the lineup is pretty big.

  

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Thu 21-Feb-13 04:27 AM by KnightPhoto

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As usual, looks like a great package of features and value from Nikon. At this price, looks like a substantial value.

I mean c'mon already, 1.3 crop with PDAF covering nearly the entire image area, 51-point f/8 auto focussing with your 70-200 f/4 and TC20E combo, 100% viewfinder. Very very good package I think.

A little surprised about the new grip MB-D15?

I wonder if it has the greyed-out option for the viewfinder when in 1.3 crop like the D800 can do in its crop modes. And as an aside this "1.3 crop of 1.5 crop" is equivalent to the old 2.0 crop-mode that the D2X supported way back when.

And I agree, pricing pretty much guarantees a D400 too

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I'm curious. As a D300 owner who's been waiting several years for a D400, what might we see in a D400 that's not in the newly announced D7100?

The D7100 has some very impressive specs:

24MP sensor

51 autofocus points (borrowed from D300/D300s)

6 fps (7 fps in 1.3X crop mode)

ISO up to 25,600 (and we know the D7000 had good low-light capability)

2 card slots

Magnesium-allow body with weatherproofing

3.2-inch, 1.229 million-dot LCD monitor

So my question is, what more would we want or might we likely expect in a D400 costing about $500 more?

  

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One thing that would attract me in a D400 is an XQD primary slot.

And if Canon Rumors is to be believed, 7Dii will have 10fps, so Nikon will have to anti-up. Actually though, I find 8fps plenty enough in the real-world.

And not for everyone perhaps, but for me, crazy video-specs would be great but I don't expect Nikon is quite ready for:
- 1080/60p
- 4K video?
- On-sensor PDAF like the V1 has, for use in Live-view and video-modes
- Even higher than 8 or 10fps in Live-View mode (like the V1 can do).
- BTW, the D7100 can do uncompressed video out it looks like. But again it looks like it shares the D600 95% framing limitation. Not sure what drives this limitation. though?
- we should prob be discussing this in the D400 forum, there is a thread going there too.

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Keeping in mind the previous feature gap between the D90 and the D300(s), I just don't see it now. I mean the D7100 has D4 like AF for crying out loud.

I think Nikon has evolved their line to market DX to amateurs through to semi-pro/serious enthusiast and the FX to to semi-pro/serious enthusiast to pro. Of course pros may still use the DX lineup, but Nikon has released 3 DX cameras and 3 FX very recently - seems if they intended to release that 'pro' marketed DX it would be here by now. Just my view though.

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>> “So my question is, what more would we want or might we likely expect in a D400 costing about $500 more?”

A buffer that will hold 17 - 21 frames

More than 1 AF point that supports f/8 lenses (like the D800 AF system)

Larger body (D800 style body)

10 pin connector

I would bet that there are a few options missing (compared to the D300) in the menus that do not show up on the specifications list.


That said – this is a well specified camera and it could end up being the best compromise for a DX shooter who needs better high ISO and dynamic range.

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My thoughts exactly Dave! The larger body similar to my D300 is the problem. My 500mm lens would be ridiculous on the D7100.


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<<My 500mm lens would be ridiculous on the D7100>>

And you think that's ridiculous, what about those who use a 600mm with a Nikon 1 V1/V2 and they do

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HIXSON, US
          

>My thoughts exactly Dave! The larger body similar to my D300
>is the problem. My 500mm lens would be ridiculous on the
>D7100.
>

Kathy,

I agree. If you get a D7100, you could just send me your 500mm lens. I would not want you to look ridiculous. I usually look ridiculous, so it wouldn't be a big change for me.

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Daveecopping Silver Member Nikonian since 21st Jan 2011Thu 21-Feb-13 03:19 PM
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#69. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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AS long as you get the picture you want, who gives a rats about aesthetics? Last week there was a TV doc about The Beatles first album. The photographer who was booked to shoot The Beatles for the album cover apparently only had a portrait lens and had to lie flat on his back, but what a picture!

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#116. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Fri 22-Feb-13 02:12 PM by Chris Platt

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When you think of the camera as a replaceable sensor you attach to the back of a good lens, it doesn't seem so ridiculous. My 800mm looks fine with a D7000 attached to the back of it. I'm even happy with the appearance of a tiny Panasonic 4/3 attached to it. The D7100 will look just fine too.

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#11. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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I see that Thom Hogan is pooh-poohing this as a modest update, but there are actually some things about it I find intriguing and that eventually might make me upgrade from my D7000.

As a sports shooter, I really like the CAM 3500 AF system. The AF system has been one of the frustrations of the D7000 for me. Its ability to acquire and track moving objects (players) is a little weak, especially in low-light gyms. Presumably, the D7100 will be substantially better, both because of the additional cross-sensors (15 instead of 9) and the new generation of AF that is spec'd to operate at f/8.

I'm also intrigued by the 1.3-crop mode. This gives a total effective crop factor (compared to full-frame, 35-mm) of 2x. That makes my 70-200 into a 140-400, putting 15 megapixels into the 1.3-crop frame. 15 megapixels is plenty for me. (Gee, maybe I don't need that 80-400 upgraded lens I've been waiting for Nikon to produce.) In addition, that mode gets me 7 frames per second, which is plenty for me. Granted, the masked viewfinder image is smaller in crop mode, but I can live with that for my sports shooting. I've never really liked the small VF area of the D2X in high-speed-crop mode, but that was a 2X crop, not 1.3x. (And it wasn't masked.) Plus, the 1.3-crop area is filled with the 51 AF points, which should make AF tracking really sweet.

On the non-sports side, one thing I notice is the increase in exposure bracketing. Now you have have 5 steps (vs 3 in the 7000) and up to 3 stops per step (instead of 2 stops). Really wide-range HDR just became easier.

The 1080/30p and 1080/60i movie modes are nice, too, and support the 1.3-crop as well.

It will be interesting to see what other refinements show up. I haven't worked through all of the details yet.

One real annoyance that I don't understand is that there is yet another grip design. The MB-D11 that goes with my D7000 won't work on the D7100. Why, Nikon? Maybe if/when I get a D7100 I'll just get a third-party grip.

I can afford to wait and see what the performance of the D7100 is before committing to get one; my D7000 is working well enough for me. But I'm definitely interested.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Thu 21-Feb-13 05:58 AM
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#12. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 06:04 AM by richardd300

Dyserth, GB
          

Also, Photography Life has posted this:

http://photographylife.com/nikon-d7100-dslr-announcement#more-46769

Worthwhile book marking it as Nasim's reviews are always worth a read. Those awaiting a D400 are going to be very disappointed I feel.

Just noticed, no AF-ON button and that's a shame.

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#13. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

I'm not sure this completely closes the door on a D300s replacement. The D7000 replacement was bound to edge closer to the D300 simply because each generation updates the technology of the previous one. But I'll wait a few months before jumping on a D7100 anyway. If a D300s replacement is announced in the mean time, so much the better.

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#14. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

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labtrout Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Aug 2011Thu 21-Feb-13 12:01 PM
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#33. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Bristol, US
          


>
>I'm also intrigued by the 1.3-crop mode. This gives a total
>effective crop factor (compared to full-frame, 35-mm) of 2x.
>That makes my 70-200 into a 140-400, putting 15 megapixels
>into the 1.3-crop frame.

Question: Does this mean that if I were to buy the D7100 my 16-85mm VR lens would now effectively be a 32-170 on this body? I don't quite understand how the new crop factor works. Thanks.

  

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Ray B Gold Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2008Thu 21-Feb-13 12:07 PM
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#34. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 12:11 PM by Ray B

Worthing, GB
          

>Question: Does this mean that if I were to buy the D7100 my
>16-85mm VR lens would now effectively be a 32-170 on this
>body? I don't quite understand how the new crop factor works.
>Thanks.

My understanding is it's (FL*1.5)*1.3

So a 100mm is effectively a 195mm or basically a 2x teleconverter

Your 16-85mm effectively becomes a 31-166mm

This all depends as well on if you want to let the camera throw away the pixels at point of capture or crop afterwards in post giving more options.

Personally I feel these crop modes are a bit of a marketing gimmick. The main thing is that these very high pixel densities on the latest bodies give you more latitude to crop yourself, which can only be a good thing if your subject benefits from it... BIF comes to mind etc

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#37. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Bristol, US
          

Thanks, Ray. So someone like me who is strictly a DX shooter could keep his D7000 with the 16-85mm on it; then add a D71000, put a 70-300 on it and have something effectively close to a 140-600mm.

I am thinking that would cover me pretty well for nature/wildlife shooting, apart from the other advantages of the new body.

  

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Ray B Gold Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2008Thu 21-Feb-13 12:20 PM
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#42. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Worthing, GB
          

>Thanks, Ray. So someone like me who is strictly a DX shooter
>could keep his D7000 with the 16-85mm on it; then add a
>D71000, put a 70-300 on it and have something effectively
>close to a 140-600mm.
>
>I am thinking that would cover me pretty well for
>nature/wildlife shooting, apart from the other advantages of
>the new body.

Well yes that's the end result. But that said I have tried framing shots on My D600 using DX crop mode (similar thing) and gave up. It's difficult to work with the viewfinder grid lines and frame correctly (I've been experimenting with seagulls in flight on my local beach).

It's easier just to shoot in full frame and crop after in post. That way you get more reach but control the crop yourself afterwards in post. The real deal is that you have more pixels to play with....

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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004Thu 21-Feb-13 12:21 PM
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#43. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>Personally I feel these crop modes are a bit of a marketing
>gimmick.

I don't agree. If you are going to crop that much later anyway, using the 1.3 crop mode has several advantages:

1) You get a frame rate of 7 fps instead of 6.

2) The buffer will hold more frames since the images are smaller. Plus, since the files are smaller, flushing the buffer to the SD card will be quicker.

3) Your SD card will hold more images since the files are smaller.

4) Your post-processing workflow will be quicker with the smaller files.

5) The amount of archival storage you need to keep the files will be less.

As someone who shoots sporting events and comes back with up to 1000 frames, those things matter to me; they aren't a marketing gimmick.

Those cameras (not the D7000 or D7100) that have a 5:4 crop mode are appealing to wedding photographers and others whose main deliverable is 8x10 prints since they don't have to guess where the frame edges will be when peering through the viewfinder.

Bottom line: crop modes are there for a reason.

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Ray B Gold Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2008Thu 21-Feb-13 12:33 PM
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#47. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Worthing, GB
          


>
>Bottom line: crop modes are there for a reason.
>

Hi Jon,

I stand corrected as all your points are valid.

I do feel however that many fall into the trap of thinking the crop mode is simply (in this case) to make your 300mm lens a 600mm lens or whatever for wildlife/BIF/fast moving action etc

Any really, in that often cited scenario, cropping in post is nearly always going to give you a better end result when crop composition vs maximum pixel retention is the name of the game.

And in that specific regard maybe a marketing myth has grown up....

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#55. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Bristol, US
          

Ray and Jon,

You both make excellent points. I can definitely see the advantages of the 1.3x crop factor helping record images faster for sports, at times providing a 7fps advantage and loading the SD card more quickly.

But Jon, I think you are right too in that I am one of those people who has shot DX mainly because of the perceived advantage of "reach" for my lenses, since I am not ever going to be in the market for 500mm and 600mm pro lenses to shoot wildlife.

Cropping in post with a better image would certainly be advantageous as I improve my understanding of post-processing methods and the technical aspects of digital shooting.

  

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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004Thu 21-Feb-13 03:39 PM
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#74. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

Fred, if you don't have specific reasons to use the 1.3-crop mode, it makes perfect sense to just shoot in DX mode and crop later. You lose nothing except a bit of time and a bit of storage space, and that only matters if those things are limiting you. For some people and some types of photography, they do present a limitation. For general photography, not so much.

These cameras are massively complex machines. The number of people who have exercised every capability a modern DSLR has represent a small fraction of the total owners, I bet. Most of us use only a subset of the capabilities. But we're not all using the same subset. I use the crop modes of my D3, but not the flash commander mode of my D7000. (In fact, I've probably had the pop-up flash deployed on my D7000 maybe a dozen times in two years -- and half of those times I accidentally pushed the flash button!) But there are people who use that feature every day, so I'm glad it's still there in the D7100 even though I'd probably never use it.

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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004Thu 21-Feb-13 12:11 PM
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#36. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

Yes, that's correct. The sensor in the D7100 (and other DX cameras) gives a 1.5x "crop factor" compared to an FX sensor or 35-mm film. The D7100's new 1.3-crop mode uses only part of the available sensor, leading to an effective crop factor of 1.5 x 1.3 = 2.0 (slightly rounded).

Of course, if you are used to the field of view your 16-85 gives now, which is effectively that of a 24-127 on FX, the difference the 1.3-crop mode is only 1.3x what you are used to.

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#38. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 12:17 PM by William Symonds

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The in camera crop gives you nothing you couldn't achieve by cropping in PP, so I think it's maybe misleading to think of lenses changing character with a D7100.

However by opting to crop in camera you do gain an increase from 6fps to 7fps. Also with 24 mp (as found on all Nikon's latest DX cameras) you can crop plenty for all but the largets of prints, whether in camera or in PP.


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#48. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>The in camera crop gives you nothing you couldn't achieve by
>cropping in PP, so I think it's maybe misleading to think of
>lenses changing character with a D7100.

The whole "effective focal length" thing is just a shorthand for understanding how the field of view is different. No, it doesn't change the character of the lens, although it does tend to use a more central part of the lens, which is often the best part, optically.

However, the discussion here assumes that you're interested in capturing full-resolution images, and that's not always the case. For example, one of the clients I shoot for wants action photos for use in high-school yearbooks. For that purpose, even a D2H-resolution (4.1 megapixel) image is plenty. They don;t want huge files. Normally, I shoot those games in JPEG medium mode on my D3, giving a 6.8-megapixel image, even though the sensor is 12-megapixel. But when I need more "reach," I turn on DX crop mode and switch to JPEG large mode, giving me a 5.1-megapixel image and gaining the 1.5x crop factor.

I outlined all of that to show that these cameras are used in different ways for different needs. A particular mode or setting may not fit your needs, but it may fit the needs of someone whose subjects and requirements are different from yours.

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#40. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Bristol, US
          

Right Jon, thanks. So my initial thought is to keep the D7000 for shorter zoom lenses and perhaps add a D7100 at some point for longer zooms as well as my 400mm prime.

  

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#44. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

That makes sense if you want to shoot with two bodies. Whether you use the 1.3-crop mode or not, the D7100 will give you more pixels and thus more cropping range.

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km6xz Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Portraits and Urban Photography Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009Thu 21-Feb-13 06:51 AM
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#15. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 08:57 AM by km6xz

St Petersburg, RU
          

A pretty impressive camera for $1199.
Does any of the rumor mills guess which 24mpx sensor is being used?
It sure narrows the range of features that a "pro" DX camera might have to justify the $1000 or more it would cost if ever one is released.
Other than a AF-on button, is there any feature missing that the D300 has?
There will be no comparison in IQ, with the only DX without a AA filter. Maybe the should have named it "D800e Light"
The D7100 has a better AF system...-2ev!
Is 2.5 times faster in frame rate for high quality files.
Has 60fps in video
Several stops in noise performance advantage.
A larger high res screen.
More bracket range.
More reach with the crop format.
Useful with more telephotos with TC for f/8 focusing.
This is the camera specs that birders and sports shooters have been demanding at a price well under the rumors for the hoped for D400.
This just drove the price down for the D7000 and D300s. This might be the perfect DX companion to my D800 for events at a price that is very attractive.
Anyone what to buy a well maintained D7000?

The naysayers will find some imagined slight in the features column and proclaim "deal breaker" as predictably as the sun rises. In every possible way, this is a better image capturing machine for less money than their current D300
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#16. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>Does any of the rumor mills guess which 24mpx sensor is being
>used?

Thom Hogan speculates it may be a Toshiba sensor based on the size. (While all Nikon DX cameras are about 1.5x crop, they aren't all exactly the same size.)

>The naysayers will find some imagined slight in the features
>column and proclaim "deal breaker" as predictably as
>the sun rises. In every possible way, this is a better image
>capturing machine for less money than their current D300

I allow for the possibility that there may be some special-purpose uses that need some particular feature, such as a larger buffer, but overall I agree.

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#17. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Norwalk, US
          

>A pretty impressive camera for $1199.

I totally agree.

>Does any of the rumor mills guess which 24mpx sensor is being
>used?

The Toshiba from the D5200, but that's merely speculation right now. For all we know it might be yet a third sensor. One thing in favor of a new sensor is the lack of AA filter, rather than another filter that cancels the AA filter like the D800E has to simplify production.

>It sure narrows the range of features that a "pro"
>DX camera might have to justify the $1000 or more it would
>cost if ever one is released.
>Other than a AF-on button, is there any feature missing that
>the D300 has?

Off of the top of my head:
- PC terminal
- 11 Pin remote
- Full magnesium body (the D7100 is still Mg/Poly)
- Better weather sealing
- Short finder blackout with a quick return mirror
- Instant return aperture
- Deeper RAW buffer
- CF or QXD card compatibility
- 8 FPS

Also, something that makes sense for a hypothetical D400:
- Grip compatibility with the EN-EL18 like the D800 has

On the flip side though, the 6 FPS at 24 MP is the limit of the Expeed 3, so any D400 would have to have a 16 MP sensor like the D4 has to get the speed boost.

  

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#19. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Warehouse Express in the UK have already announced the D7100 for pre-order at £1099 ($1648), which is exactly the same price the D7000 launched for in 2010.

I have mixed feelings about this release and will eagerly await the intricate break down of the cameras performance in the reviews. As has been said there is much to applaud in this release and I especially like the fact that we have a camera which compared to FX comes with a free x2 tele-converter On the downside, I dislike not being able to use my MC-36 release and the absence of AF-ON on the D7000 and now the D7100. Plus, I think Nikon enjoy torturing owners with new grips, however at least they have retained the EN-EL15.

My greatest success in the last year was buying the D800 and now with the exception of enough fps I see both the D7000 and D800 as fulfilling all my needs in bucket loads. Well, not completely honest as the D7000 remains as a tenuous relationship, but nevertheless it's a great companion for the FX.

I recon we may well see a D400 at Photokina in September, I hope so as many have pinned their hopes on a new semi pro DX. I still think the D7100 may be well short of what D300s owners expect.

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#22. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

"- PC terminal
- 11 Pin remote
- Full magnesium body (the D7100 is still Mg/Poly)
- Better weather sealing
- Short finder blackout with a quick return mirror
- Instant return aperture
- Deeper RAW buffer
- CF or QXD card compatibility
- 8 FPS"

If someone needs PC, they have the $15 adapter or a $3.50 if they want to buy one on eBay. No one serious about actual image results that matter will be concerned about a $15 adapter. I use such an adapter on my D7000 when controlling my studio strobes and it is faster to connect than fiddling with the connector on my D800. Same with screwing on the 10 pin connector. With more and more people shooting with speed lights and using ambient light alone due to higher acceptable ISO, a PC terminal is a less and less used item. For those who do use it, they have many ways of retaining that function.

10 pin remote on smaller bodies have been switched to the same connector as the D7000, again, is that really a deal breaker? It has the same function, just a smaller lower cost connector.

Full mag housing? Sure it was a feature on heavier older cameras but newer technology with material in aircraft, cars, ships and even cameras are resulting in very reliable and rugged housings for less cost, better impact resistance, lighter weight etc. Who among those who said the D7000 construction was a deal breaker actually provided any evidence that the D7000 was a fragile camera. Mine has taken a lot of abuse and looks and performs like new. If having a heavier, but not demonstrably more reliable housing, is the most important criteria for a camera they have a perfectly good camera in their D300 and should be happy despite every camera from D3200 on up has better IQ, more DR, more color depth and faster frame rate at 14 bit.

Better weather sealing? Are you aware of tests that indicate it is poorly sealed? I did not see anything in the published specs to indicate one way or the other. We do know however that the D300 was not extensively weather sealed, the only cameras that were promoted as sealed was the pro bodies with integrated grip.

The published spec specifically state quick return and instant return aperture. What tests are you citing that show Nikon has miss stated their specs?

Deeper raw buffer...possibly this one item is a deal breaker for some but comparing to the files that D300 was buffering, this camera has a great deal more throughput. Buffer and FPS were both poor on the D300 in 14 bit mode that gives the best color depth and DR. So, if those are not important, set it to 12 bit like the D300 and get more frames.
Considering write speed is faster for the newer cards and data bus, it it is likely a non-issue, where one is waiting around for some data to be flushed.

CF&QXD might be nice to remain fully compatible with older units but remaining compatible with other DX cameras the new owners will be upgrading from is also just as important, and a lot more people will be upgrading than moving from Fx pro bodies.

7fps with hi res and hi IQ at 14 bit versus D300 2.5fps with slightly more noise than a D90, the D300 level of IQ is not really something most people would trade for.

All these points might be deal breakers for some, and many will howl about the injustice of it all and refuse to buy it but many more people view any differences as minor habit adjustment issues needed to get better images, with more flexibility.
It is all a matter of priorities.

Sure, there are minor differences in use habits but what is missing that is important? We heard people crying over the newer AF selection process introduced in the D7000 as a deal breaker and amateurish. Few people who ever really tried the new method voiced anything but satisfaction about the increased flexibility, ability to store all camera settings, and more options. It has been a non-issue on the D600, D4 or D800. It is just a matter of clinging to a habit, that some time in the past was also learned when moving from a prior camera. I suppose a lot of people complained back then all. Most of these items are changes, not limits or reductions in capabilities.
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#23. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Norwalk, US
          

They're not dealbreakers for me, but they may be for some, so I listed them. And both CF and XQD are faster than SD, so it's not a legacy thing.

If that's correct and this has a fast finder blackout, that would be a significant upgrade over the D7000 for many burst shooters.

  

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#24. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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I agree, Stan. The D7100 meets or exceeds 95pct of the D400 wish list at a cost that is 30 pct lower. While the buffer could be bigger and frame rate faster, I'll bet 99 pct of the photographers do not use most of the buffer on their current camera. The lack of an AF-ON button is not a problem since there is a button that can be programmed for back button focus. Weather sealing on the D300 is unimpressive. Even the lack of a 10 pin connector is not an issue.

I've been using a D7000 and D600 enough to be comfortable with the layout and features. The D600 size body is certainly better. And I would love to see some standardization in grips. But overall this is a great camera for the money.

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#72. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Eric,

Not sure who to ask this. The D7000 has only two setups, U1 & U2. I shoot so many different things, and have to go through the menu to change so many settings when I would like to hit one thing to do all the changes.

Will there be more pre-set User settings beyond the U1 & U2 of the D7000? I might need to quickly shift between HGIF (Hang Gliders in Flight), to candid portrait, to landscape/architecture at the same venue. I'm thinking this need will be greater since one might use the 1.3x crop mode for some, but not other types of shooting.

Others on here have a lot more detail info than I could decipher off of Nikonusa.com. Where are all these details? Couldn't find the D7100 manual to download.

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#79. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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The D7000 U1/U2 switch in my opinion was the best thing to happen to us wildlife shooters. I set U1 to shoot birds in flight at default 600ISO and 3D tracking AF and U2 to ISO100, single point focus. I really never use the Custom Bank setting apart from other changes which tend to remain fixed.

The beauty of it is I am practiced in switching between U1/U2 intuitively.

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#81. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Richard,

So, does the D7100 have the same U1, U2 capability or more?

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#83. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Exactly the same U1, U2 feature and now has a locking button as per the D600, which is handy.

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#25. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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<<All these points might be deal breakers for some, and many will howl about the injustice of it all and refuse to buy it but many more people view any differences as minor habit adjustment issues needed to get better images, with more flexibility.It is all a matter of priorities.>>

You've summed everything up very well Stan, as usual. There's no deal breaker for me, as "management" aka the wife said this morning, "why don't you buy this new camera". My take is that all the current line up of Nikon cameras, apart from the D300s, including D800/D7000 gives us cutting edge technology and the failure to capture a good image is probably going to be operator error, not the camera. So, perhaps I can use the budget to buy some new pro glass, or upgrade my 70-200mm f2.8 VR

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#27. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 11:24 AM by Ray B

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To those talking about build quality, I work at sea here in the UK and my D7000 has spent approx 200 days at sea with me on a small 38ft boat in harsh salt laden conditions winter and summer. She still looks and performs like new some 18 months after purchase.

I'd say that's a great testament to the build quality of the D7000 and one could reasonably surmise that the latest D600 and D7100 are equally robust and well weather sealed.

Looks a very interesting camera indeed, although I won't be jumping as the D600/D7000 serve my purposes beyond adequately. If if were in the market for a new DX body I'd be all over the D7100!

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#30. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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I have a D300, and I tried the D7000. The main reasons I had for not "upgrading" were the physical size (the D300 button positions and design were perfect for me), and the lack of AF-ON button on the D7000. Yes, I know it can be assigned to the AF/AE lock button, but I want both. The D300 also seemed better balanced on my longer lenses. I would say my hands are pretty average in size, but there's nothing worse than a camera that feels too small. Smaller and lighter, are not always better.

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#32. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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<<The D300 also seemed better balanced on my longer lenses>>

Agreed. The D7100 is 675 grams, 105 grams lighter than the D7000. The D300s is 840 grams, 160 grams lighter than the D800. Personally, a camera is as much about its ergonomics as it’s capabilities. I much prefer to shoot with my D800 with a 24-70mm f2.8 than with my D7000.

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#46. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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>Agreed. The D7100 is 675 grams, 105 grams lighter than the D7000.

I'm not sure that's correct, Richard.

The Nikon UK website lists the D7100 at 675g body only, 765g with battery and card. The D700 is listed as 690g body only, 780g with battery and card. Assuming that's accurate, the D7100 is lighter but only by 15g.

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#51. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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My mistake, but all my weights were lifted from the WEX website today.
Should have gone to Nikon EU BTW, are you going to Focus on Imaging this year? I'm going on the Monday.

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#58. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Paignton, GB
          

>BTW, are you going to Focus on Imaging this year?

Yes, I'll be there Not sure which day yet.

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#59. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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OK, let me know and if it's Monday perhaps we could meet for a coffee

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#104. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Woodcliff Lake, US
          

>I have a D300, and I tried the D7000. The main reasons I had
>for not "upgrading" were the physical size (the D300
>button positions and design were perfect for me), and the lack
>of AF-ON button on the D7000. Yes, I know it can be assigned
>to the AF/AE lock button, but I want both. The D300 also
>seemed better balanced on my longer lenses. I would say my
>hands are pretty average in size, but there's nothing worse
>than a camera that feels too small. Smaller and lighter, are
>not always better.
>
Agree, the balance and feel of my D300s with the 70-200 and 24-70 are superb. So the full magnesium body is important to me along with the AF-ON button.

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#29. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>- Better weather sealing

Not so. Nikon says:

"The body is effectively sealed at various locations, ensuring weather-resistance and dust-prevention performance*.

*Equivalent to the D800 series and D300S."

So they are explicitly claiming its weather sealing is that of the D300S.

(Reference: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/features03.htm)

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#101. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Woodcliff Lake, US
          

I hope you all are correct about the D300s replacement. I agree:

Off of the top of my head:
- PC terminal
- 11 Pin remote
- Full magnesium body (the D7100 is still Mg/Poly)
- Better weather sealing
- Short finder blackout with a quick return mirror
- Instant return aperture
- Deeper RAW buffer
- CF or QXD card compatibility
- 8 FPS

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#112. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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HIXSON, US
          

>On the flip side though, the 6 FPS at 24 MP is the limit of
>the Expeed 3, so any D400 would have to have a 16 MP sensor
>like the D4 has to get the speed boost.

John-Erik,

It may be true what you say about the limit of the current Xpeed 3 processor variant. Perhaps it can still be tweaked with better co-processors and/or micro-controllers, to off load things like the hotshoe, shutter/aperture motors, top display, etc. But this is basically limited to 65nm lithography, dual-core, and 32 bit processors.

It may be time to make a big investment (really big) to the next generation of 64 bit quad core processors with improved lithography. Intel is using 22nm in some of it best. Like I said big investment. They would have to have a lot of sales to justify such an investment. But the 64-bit would allow for more memory & presumably more & faster buffers, to achieve faster frame rates at such high megapixels.

How badly do we need such high frame rates? More importantly, how much more would we be willing to pay for faster frame rates with high pixel count? Big risk for a company with dwindling P&S demand.

In addition to nano meters, etc. the following Wiki link has at the bottom an interesting layout of the chronolgy of Nikon DSLRs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expeed

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#18. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 12:48 PM by William Symonds

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This is far more than a D7000 extension. It has plenty of things that the D600 does not have - better bracketing, AF points, quick zoom button and AF works at -2EV, to name what I have spotted so far.

Found some more - 1/250 flash sync, 1/8000 shutter speed, 1229k screen, and of course 6fps.

And of course the E factor - no anti-aliasing filter.

I know it doesn't have the 8 fps of the D300 (with battery pack) but that was never going to happen with a 24mp sensor. It does have 7fps in crop mode though.

I cannot help but think that if there was a new Dx00 coming it would have happened years ago. all the other DX bodies have been upgraded twice since the D300s came along.

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#20. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Evidently it has no AA filter, so a DX D800E! Great for feather detail on birds as long as moire isn't a problem mind.

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#21. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Bogor, ID
          

Yup - apart from the absence full magnesium jacket and the remote pin, and the presence of scene modes, it has pretty much all of the advances found in the D800E that were left off the D600. It also has faster fps than either.

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#117. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Newburg, US
          

I'm sure moire won't be a problem. With the pixel density on these new cameras it is very difficult to conceive of a fine repeating pattern that would have a higher frequency than the sensor, particularly in the natural world of bird photography. The anti-aliasing filters just aren't necessary at these new sampling frequencies.

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#121. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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While the pixel density of the D7100 sensor is higher than that of the FX sensors, so is the density of the patterns of lines in the image projected onto the sensor since you have to shrink the image (via a shorter lens) to fit the same image onto the smaller sensor. So the chance of moiré doesn't change. (See the more complete discussion in this thread.)

Now, if you are comparing the DX image with an FX image cropped down to DX size because your lens isn't long enough to fill the frame with the subject then, yes, putting more pixels into the image makes moiré happen only with even finer patterns in the subject. But that's "more pixels" not "higher pixel density."

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#136. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Fri 22-Feb-13 03:34 PM by Chris Platt

Newburg, US
          

All good points in principle and I saw the other thread. I'm not just talking about the pixel density in comparison to FX sensors though, I'm just talking about the very high pixel density in general compared to earlier sensors where moire was a valid concern. The D70 had a weak anti-aliasing filter. I could occasionally see moire effects in images of fabric with fine lines/tight weave patterns. I never noticed it though in any bird photos. Since then, it has become less and less of a concern.

With the D7000, we were probably already at the point where moire was a marginal concern and an anti-aliasing filter was of marginal importance for the vast majority of shooting situations. With the leap to the D7100 density, combined with the effects of diffraction limits and limits to lens resolution, the very remote possibility of moire is probably less of a concern than the image degradation caused by the anti-aliasing filter itself.

My only evidence for this conjecture is the fact that Nikon has removed the filter. I trust them not to introduce a feature in an updated product that would deteriorate image quality.

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#39. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Great list Will. I agree is far more than a straight extension of the already extended D7K. Just like how the D7000 extended the envelope well past the D90.

I'm surprised it has the instant zoom on playback.

I also saw a spec indicating separate motors for the mirror and aperture. This should enable aperture changing in live view, we'll see I guess.

Nikon did a great job putting this package together at this price.

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#45. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Bogor, ID
          

Oh I'd quite forgotten that one (aperture changing). I work around that on the D600 using D lenses and setting aperture control to the lens.

But apparently a firmware fix is coming. I wonder if Nikon will now be kind enough to allow the D600 to instant zoom, via firmware upgrade.

Damn good camera this new one, and outrageously good value.

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#139. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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US
          

>This is far more than a D7000 extension. It has plenty of
>things that the D600 does not have - better bracketing, AF
>points, quick zoom button and AF works at -2EV, to name what I
>have spotted so far.
>
>Found some more - 1/250 flash sync, 1/8000 shutter speed,
>1229k screen, and of course 6fps.
>
>W i l l
>

You are pointing out weaknesses as well.

Only 250th flash sync. I would like to see a 500th. 6fps is fine for the body only but it should be 8 with the optional grip. Also, is the focusing speed and accuracy equal to or improved over the D300s?

And I don't see 24mp as an improvement, actually the opposite. Can I still shoot 2mb jpeg's with this thing?

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#26. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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This is a very frustrating development for me. I just upgraded from a D5000 and recieved delivery of my new D7000 Monday evening from B&H. This morning I get an email from B&H announcing the release of the 7100. I've been seriously kicking around the idea of upgrading for some time now and the price of the D7000 with the note "Offer ends March 2" made me go ahead and pull the trigger. When will the D7100 be available...March. On one hand I'm happy that I got a great camera (miles and miles above the D5000 is my initial impression) at a great price. On the other hand I feel that some pretty decieving marketing tactics are at play. I seriosly doubt that the D7000 is going back to the original price with the release of the D7100. Why all the secrecy? I'll tell you what I think-they wanted to sell as many D7000's as they could before the announcement of the new release. Ultimately the decision to buy now was mine but it was certainly influenced by the way they chose to handle the situation. I know people will say "Well there were rumors of a new 7100 or 7200. You should have been more patient." There have been rumors for months and months now so what do you do? As I said before I'm happy with my new camera, I'm just a little frustrated. When I get a chance to really explore the abilities of the D7000 I'm guessing that it will pass. Sorry for the rant.

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#28. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 11:44 AM by richardd300

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<<I'll tell you what I think-they wanted to sell as many D7000's as they could before the announcement of the new release.>>

Scottie. Don't apologise, but yes of course they did, that's business. However, I do understand your feelings/frustrations and this happens time and time again.

<<When I get a chance to really explore the abilities of the D7000 I'm guessing that it will pass>>

It will pass, it is just the way the market works, but I go back to my point in an earlier post and that is that you have a high quality camera which will give you many years of good work. Also, at a fraction of the cost of the D7100.

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#31. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Scottie, your frustration is understandable. On the other hand, you saved $300 ($400 if you bought it with the 18-105 lens), so you can smile about that.

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#41. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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SE
          

Regarding the absence of a AF-ON button; There is a AF-ON button on the D7100 as well as the D7000. If you don't find it, it's because it's labeld AF/AE-lock. This button is programable and AF-ON is one of the options along with AF-lock, AE-lock and AE-lock-and-hold.

  

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#49. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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<<This button is programable and AF-ON is one of the options along with AF-lock, AE-lock and AE-lock-and-hold.>>

Sorry, that's just a work around and not the same as you just swap one piece of functionality for another. Also, for me the buttons in the wrong place.

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#92. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Richard, I solved my need for both functions with a simple alternative that turned out to be ergonomically better than two thumb activated buttons. I just assigned AE-l/AF-L to AF-On and the Fn button to AE-L so have my middle finger activate the AE-L in latching mode, and control focus with my thumb, and index finger for front command and shutter so there is no more hitting the wrong thumb button or having to shift my had to allow my thumb to control a second button. After an hour, it was more sure, faster and committed to muscle memory. Works, for me, better than the two buttons on my D800. The Fn button is in such a good location for an every-shot button. So the D7000 with one button is now more comfortable to control both needed functions, at the same time than the D800, until I changed the D800 to behave the same way.
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#93. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Just speaking for myself, your method is too cumbersome for me, at least on my D300 and D700. I tried that for a number of long outings, just to make better decisions about how badly I wanted that 2nd button.

Maybe my hands or fingers are the wrong size, although I don't have a D7100 size body handy to try it. Plus I lose the current Fn usage, which is spot metering, and that is important to me too.

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#100. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 09:40 PM by richardd300

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Stan. I see what you are saying, but I prefer the closeness of the AF-ON button to my thumb, ergonomically it suits me. I use the Fn button on my D800 to change crop sizes whilst rotating the command dial which are set between FX and DX crop.

I see the omission of a simple button is of course one of the many differences between a high consumer and a semi pro camera. How much would it have cost Nikon to mount the guts of a D7100 into a similar to a D800 body, very little I think. Of course that would leave them little latitude to produce a semi pro DX if they deemed the market share worthy. For that reason alone the hopes of a D400 are perhaps not all lost to those desiring an overdue upgrade to the D300s. In the meantime those who invest in the latest offering, but really were hoping for a higher grade model, will be most upset if a D400 arrives in the next 6 months. I for one wouldn't blame them.

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#50. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 12:45 PM by nrothschild

US
          

>Regarding the absence of a AF-ON button; There is a AF-ON
>button on the D7100 as well as the D7000. If you don't find
>it, it's because it's labeld AF/AE-lock. This button is
>programable and AF-ON is one of the options along with
>AF-lock, AE-lock and AE-lock-and-hold.

It is not possible to shoot AF-C Focus Priority without *TWO* back buttons. Unless you allow the shutter button to also focus, but I never have.

That happens to be the (exclusive) way I have shot for the past 8 years now.

Those that use two back buttons have to make a radical change to the way they shoot, and that is why there are so many complaints about "the lack of an AF-ON button". This goes far beyond the label on a programmable button.

I don't think anyone has mentioned the other "missing feature", and that is the Anti-Alias Filter, which was apparently dropped? That might make birders like me try to find a new way to deal with the missing 2nd back button. (edit: it was mentioned a couple of times above- missed that)

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#65. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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SE
          

>It is not possible to shoot AF-C Focus Priority without *TWO*
>back buttons.

You really use TWO buttons on THE BACK of the camera when you shoot? My lord! How many thumbs do you have on your right hand? I have only one...

  

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#95. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Ohio, US
          

>>It is not possible to shoot AF-C Focus Priority without
>*TWO*
>>back buttons.
>
>You really use TWO buttons on THE BACK of the camera when you
>shoot? My lord! How many thumbs do you have on your right
>hand? I have only one...

Try playing bassoon with eight keys for the right thumb!!

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#97. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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US
          

>>It is not possible to shoot AF-C Focus Priority without
>*TWO*
>>back buttons.
>
>You really use TWO buttons on THE BACK of the camera when you
>shoot? My lord! How many thumbs do you have on your right
>hand? I have only one...

One thumb that needs to always press one of the two buttons, at least when a focus/recompose is done.

I'm surprised so many people lose sight of the fact that Nikon added that second button for very good reasons.

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#35. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Scottie,

I had a brand new, in the box D7000 from Amazon for one day that I returned and waited a bit for a D600 that I got 2 months later - I do not regret the decision at ALL.

My 2 cents - you want the new camera, return the D7000 now and let B&H know you want the D7100.

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I agree. Send it back. There will be tons of used D7000s and D300/D300s' on the market next week. Not to mention some REALLY inexpensive D90s...

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#77. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Scottie,

You got the D7000 at a great price and it will still be a great camera even after the D7100 comes out. I recommend you enjoy your D7000 for a year while any potential issues with first run production of the D7100 are sorted out. By next Christmas the price of the D7100 will probably drop, or at least have temporary rebates around the holiday season. If you still feel the need to upgrade you will have lots of reviews to read, will get a better price and will have enjoyed your D7000 for a year.

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#78. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 04:00 PM by Ray B

Worthing, GB
          

I'm wondering what the pricing is like on the USA side of the pond?

The street price for the D7000 is down to £650 in the UK and has been for quite some time (quite a few months at least).

The launch price of the D7100 is £1099 - some 60% uplift (basically back to the D7000 launch price).

Come to think of it, the D7000 has had the most severe street price fall I can recall in the UK and I never really understood why !!

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#85. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 05:21 PM by richardd300

Dyserth, GB
          

<<Come to think of it, the D7000 has had the most severe street price fall I can recall in the UK and I never really understood why !!>>

This is certainly true when compared to the D300s which still retails at £1050 in most outlets and is nearly 5 years old. I think that many folks bought into the D7000 because they were fed up with waiting for a D400. This provides Nikon with very valuable feedback and purchasing trends to plan their future strategies. Have no fear, I'm sure the D7100 will nose dive after 18 months as they prepare for the launch of the next beast.

It doesn't bode well for those waiting for a D400. I would really like to be wrong for those who are still patiently waiting.

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#87. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Worthing, GB
          

> Have no fear, I'm sure the D7100 will nose dive
>after 18 months as they prepare for the launch of the next
>beast.

Chants to self "must become a late adopter" - the D7000 is an absolute steal at the moment, I paid full price lol !!

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#118. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Newburg, US
          

If it was me, I'd send the D7000 back. I am happy with my D7000, but the upgrades on the D7100 are well worth the marginal increase in price over a discounted D7000. B&H will probably accommodate if you want to do that.

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#52. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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I won't be joining in the lamentation that the D7100 isn't the direct successor to the D300(s), but I'll make an observation as why I think it's a compromise, and not what D400 anticipators were looking for.

The top control button layout is more like the D7000 (not the D300/700/800). If you were looking for a camera that would look, feel and work like your D300s, with more spec, we didn't get it here. FPS specs seem to be just under what everyone would have expected for a D300 replacement or semi-pro body.

Even Nikon seem to position it 'below' the D300s, more on the consumer side of the DSLR spectrum, on their own website (as I read it).

The adjectives the marketing folk use to describe the weather and sealing on the D300s use the term 'advanced' were the modifier is left off the description of the D7100. Does it matter, or mean anything quantitative? Probably not. But I think they choose their words carefully in positioning products, so splitting semantics here isn't just an exercise.

Does that mean Nikon have done a bad thing in bringing the D7100 to market? Of course not. Lots of shooters love their D7000s and this camera seems like more of the same. But it's an upgrade to the D7000, not the incarnation of the D400. Many have pointed out what they would want in such a beast and Nikon have clearly not made it (yet). Can eager DX buyers get much of what they want in a D7100. It would certainly seem so.

Will there ever be a D400? Who knows. Perhaps Nikon are trying to figure out what the DX market should be about. It would seem they've still left themselves some room for a D300 successor and as some have pointed out, it's possible that Canon may (through competition) press the case.

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#53. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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<<Will there ever be a D400? Who knows. Perhaps Nikon are trying to figure out what the DX market should be about.>>

I suspect that's all done and dusted, however they will always be very aware that the "opposition" are always looking over their shoulder of course, and thank goodness they are

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#54. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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>The adjectives the marketing folk use to describe the weather
>and sealing on the D300s use the term 'advanced' were the
>modifier is left off the description of the D7100. Does it
>matter, or mean anything quantitative? Probably not. But I
>think they choose their words carefully in positioning
>products, so splitting semantics here isn't just an exercise.

As I mentioned up above (this is getting to be a long thread!), Nikon explicitly says the D7100 weather sealing is equivalent to that of the D300S and D800.

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#57. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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One thing I have noticed, although it doesn't appear on the Nikon UK website yet, is that WEX are selling the MB-D15 grip on pre-order. The blurb says "The MB-D15 grip is powered by 1 or 2 Nikon EN-EL15 batteries or six Ni-MH/lithium AA-size batteries". 2 EN-EL15 batteries, a typo perhaps. Once again I've read nothing that means fps will benefit, so obviously it's just added battery power as per the MB-D11. Of course it does provide portrait orientation too.

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#61. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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One of the major shortcomings on the D600 to me was the 3 shot bracketing. I noticed that the D7100 offers five stops, which is a nice improvement over the D7000 and D600. However, I still think a D400 is on the way by June, with the larger D800 type body, retailing for $1599.

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#62. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Well the 24mp sensor without the AA filter is something that really draws me in, assuming all other things are equal.

Of course, 24mp viewed at 100% is going to make some images seem softer than expected, just like the 16mp did with the D7000.

I can see the threads starting mid-March. "D7100, soft images???"

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#88. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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>2 EN-EL15 batteries, a typo perhaps.

Probably. Nikon UK's website says the MB-D15 will accept "one EN-EL15 battery or 6 AA batteries"

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#91. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Yes, I found it tucked in the Battery specification list. That's two catch outs for WEX today originally quoting the EN-EL14 battery as a spare and then two batteries in the grip. Guess they rushed their release to get ahead of the competition. Nikon UK does not yet list the MB-MD15 in their products pages.

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#119. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Fri 22-Feb-13 05:48 PM by Chris Platt

Newburg, US
          

>Will there ever be a D400? Who knows. Perhaps Nikon are
>trying to figure out what the DX market should be about. It
>would seem they've still left themselves some room for a D300
>successor and as some have pointed out, it's possible that
>Canon may (through competition) press the case.
>

Since Nikon is calling the D7100 the "flagship" of their DX line, I'd quit looking for a D400. I quit waiting for a D400 when the D7000 was released.

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#63. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Milford, VA, US
          

I started out with a D40X then moved to a D300 and eventually, last year to a D800E. One of the things that made a big difference for me moving from the D40X to the D300 was the additional buttons on the camera that made it easier to set things like ISO without having to dig through menus. I also became a fan of using the AF-ON button for focusing. So when I see cameras like the D7100 and see that it doesn't have some of the buttons I'm used to, I don't even consider it.

However, digging a little more deeply, I can see that my judgement may have been hasty. If this body is like the D600, the AE/L-AF/L button could be programmed as an AF-ON button instead. There is an ISO button on the back - not where I'm used to having it on the top dial, but I could easily adjust. I don't frequently use the WB or BKT buttons on the D800 and never the QUAL button. So, for my style of shooting, the D7100 could be set up to do what I want. I'm also not concerned about weather sealing or the fact that it doesn't have an all mag body.

I enjoy shooting macro and I know, now, that FX means less DOF in macro shooting, which is generally not a good thing. Also, if I read and interpret the specs correctly, the D7100 has fewer photosites per cm on its chip than the D800 does, which I believe would mean one might be able to stop down further before seeing diffraction softening - a good thing for macro. I also imagine that the Live View functionality on the D7100 will be similar to that of the D800E in that you can release the shutter while in LV and the mirror will not move. That wasn't the case with the D300 and was one of my motivating factors for moving to the D800E. One thing I don't see in the specs is any mention of a programmable shutter delay. I use that all the time with macro. Also, like the D800E, no low-pass filter, which I prefer.

I currently use the 24-70 f2.8 lens on my D800 and that's awfully heavy (for me) as a general-purpose walk-around combination. DX is a lot lighter. Plus, I find I have to use a minimum shutter speed of 1/125th with that combination when hand holding. I could shoot at a lower shutter speed with my D300 and a 16-85, although that may not be the case with a 24MP sensor. One thing I think I would miss would be the four memory banks. I have all of mine set up and use them regularly for different shooting scenarios.

One other question that would be important to me is the dynamic range and noise performance of the sensor. The D800E is very good at both and while with the D300, I would rarely ever shoot at ISO800, I am comfortable going all the way to 6400 on the D800E and the DR of the D800E is markedly better than that of the D300. I'd need to see similar performance out of the D7100.

I have been quite disappointed with out-of-camera JPGs with the D800E - so much so that I won't even use them for anything. With my D300, I often got JPGs that were as sharp as anything I could get from the RAW file. Simply not so with the D800E. If I could get really great JPGs out of the D7100, that would be a good thing.

So, all in all, for the kind of shooting I do, I find myself strangely attracted to this camera. I'm not ready to pre-order one - I want to see some performance results first. But it is a surprisingly tempting choice to me.

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#64. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Dyserth, GB
          

<<I currently use the 24-70 f2.8 lens on my D800 and that's awfully heavy (for me) as a general-purpose walk-around combination. DX is a lot lighter>>

The 24-70mm f2.8 balances perfectly on my D800 as it did on my D700 and D300, but not so on the D7000 unless the grip is fitted. It's lens heavy compared to the semi pro bodies. That may just be me of course

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#67. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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I wouldn't use the 24-70 on a D7100. Not a good focal length for me on DX and too heavy. I'd go back to my 16-85 for general-purpose shooting.

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#70. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Worthing, GB
          

>I wouldn't use the 24-70 on a D7100. Not a good focal length
>for me on DX and too heavy. I'd go back to my 16-85 for
>general-purpose shooting.

You got me thinking here. Not about lenses but about "general purpose shooting". My D7000 and 16-85mm serve me well as a light travel combo. Worked a treat backpacking around India recently!

But with the pixel density of the D7100 are we straying further into the D800 territory of better shot discipline needed for sharp shots etc, us a tripod etc, making it more of a challenge as a walkabout travel camera?

I must go have a read in the D5200 forum to see how folks there get on with the high pixel density on their travels !!


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#75. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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While I hate to add to this incredibly long thread,...I just LOVE this new camera. It is literally everything I was asking for, and far more than I anticipated getting. I think this drives the near-final nail in the coffin of a potential D400.

I've been shooting with a D7000 for about 18 months, which I also like very much, but it had a few weaknesses that showed up primarily in my indoor sports shooting. WIth this D7100, I'm most execited about:

1) 51 Point CAM3500 AF Module, with D4 Algorithms. All the sports shooters on these forums who have used the D7000 and the D600 for sports, have complained that the 39 point module is too slow to acquire focus, and doesn't track as well as the 51 point "pro" system. Now, we've got teh pro system, and all the focusing power we need. THIS IS THE BIG ONE, HERE. THE REALLY BIG ONE. This is the main reason I think the D400 project is dead.

2) Keeps 6FPS, which is fast enough for sports and wildlife, and probably today's practical max for the 24MP sensor. I was afraid it would go down to 5.5FPS like the D600, or worse.

3) 24MP for better cropping, as well as the 1.3 Crop mode. Pros who shoot sports are using D4's and $10,000 lenses. For us amateurs, this might just mitigate the need for a 400mm lens.

4) Other minor things that make me very happy: Same control layout as every NIkon DSLR I've ever used: D50, D90, D7000; Same battery as D7000, now I have a back-up or two for the grip; 100% finder; Bigger LCD (always a good thing); Bigger buffer than D7000.

5) The price is awsome. We get a lot of real top-of-the-line features for basically the same price as the D7000 in 2010.

Now, lets also consider the cons:

1) We don't yet know if this sensor will give us an extra stop of ISO usability in low light - but we'll see that as soon as production models show up for testing. I have never upgraded to a DSLR that didn't provide better high ISO performance than my previous camera (I see this as the only real limiting factor of today's DSLR's), and I doubt I would upgrade now if high ISO is the same. That said, I'd be shocked if high ISO wasn't better on the D7100.

2) If it's like the D7000, there will be a lot of complaing about soft images at first, as this camera's high res sensor further exposes our focusing technique and older lenses. Say it with me now, folks: The D7100 does not "back-focus". I can say that, because I was one of the ones who thought the sky was falling early on with the D7000.

3) Probably not big for most, but the diopter change could be huge for someone for whom the difference between -3 and -2 is the difference between wearing glasses to shoot or not. I just don't get this one? They could have lifted the diopter right off the D7000. Why go backward?

4) No LCD cover, and no apparent way to attach one - other than stick-on. I never used an LCD cover on my older cameras, but since the D7000 came with an excellent one attached, I have never taken it off. This worries me a little, since it only takes one inadvertent bump, and your LCD can be trashed.

5) D300s users are still missing 2-3 things they think are essential: Dedicated AF-On button, Insane (Unneccessary?) Frame Rates, Size and Weight, and the "pro" control layout they're used to. For working pros that shoot for a living, I understand your pain. Changing to a different control layout between a D7100 and a D4 is a hassle, and some lenses don't balance well on smaller bodies. But, for those that just want a wanna-be "pro" body to enhance their egos (present company mostly excepted, but you know who you are), get over it.

All in all, this is great camera. And, best off, I have 9 months to wait befor I need one. My D7000 does fine outdoors in the summer. I'll wait for tests and see how the high ISO of the D7100 compares, and for availability to increase, and maybe jump next Christmas.

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#84. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>1) We don't yet know if this sensor will give us an extra
>stop of ISO usability in low light

I'd upgrade even if the high-ISO performance is the same, just for the improved autofocus. It doesn't matter how good the noise performance is if the shot isn't in focus.

>4) No LCD cover, and no apparent way to attach one

I haven't used one since the D2X and have had no problems carrying my D3 and D7000 around countless football, soccer, etc fields.

>5) D300s users are still missing 2-3 things they think are
>essential: Dedicated AF-On button, Insane (Unneccessary?)
>Frame Rates, Size and Weight, and the "pro" control
>layout they're used to. For working pros that shoot for a
>living, I understand your pain. Changing to a different
>control layout between a D7100 and a D4 is a hassle, and some
>lenses don't balance well on smaller bodies. But, for those
>that just want a wanna-be "pro" body to enhance
>their egos (present company mostly excepted, but you know who
>you are), get over it.

I'm not quite so dismissive of other people's perceived needs. That way, maybe they won't be dismissive of mine. There are plenty of D7000 users who don't see why the AF system would need to be better than it is, but they aren't shooting what, and where, I'm shooting. Similarly, I'm not shooting their stuff, so things they find important may not matter to me.

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#89. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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“I'm not quite so dismissive of other people's perceived needs. That way, maybe they won't be dismissive of mine. There are plenty of D7000 users who don't see why the AF system would need to be better than it is, but they aren't shooting what, and where, I'm shooting. Similarly, I'm not shooting their stuff, so things they find important may not matter to me.”

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#98. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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> ...for those that just want a wanna-be "pro" body to enhance
>their egos (present company mostly excepted, but you know who
>you are), get over it...

Hey, that's me you're talking about!

I will say, I really like the body of my D300, and the control layout, including the dedicated AF-On button. But, there are other things I like about my D300, like the 51 point AF, 6 fps, and 100% finder, that are on the D7100. I like the layout of the controls on the D300 more than feeling I need to have the magnesium frame. The D7100 frame would be more than durable enough for me, and I do see a lighter weight camera as an advantage.

As a current D300 user I'd say that given the choice I'd take a D400 to a D7100, but at the same time, the D7100 looks like a very capable camera, and one I could be satisfied with if (as looks increasingly likely) a D400 never comes along.

But, I like the advantages of the D300 enough, and don't need 24mp, so I'm not that tempted to upgrade, even recognizing that the D7100 looks very capable, and a good value.

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"I have never upgraded to a DSLR that didn't provide better high ISO performance than my previous camera (I see this as the only real limiting factor of today's DSLR's), and I doubt I would upgrade now if high ISO is the same."

That is one of my concerns, but better dynamic range will also lure me - that was one of my primary motivations for moving from the D200 to the D7000.

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#71. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Madison, US
          

Thank you for posting this.
Is the D7100 that much more advanced over the D7000 ? It seems the D7100 is less expensive than the D7000. I am wanting to upgrade from my D200 which is still good, but it is time. I was advised to go to the D7000 over the D300, but also told to wait for a probable new camera. Now that it is here, reading the specs I am wondering if I get the D7000 or do I go to the D7100? Am I able to use a SB600 on the D7100?
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#73. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Chris

The D7100 is a nice upgrade on the D7000 and significantly better than your D200. The SB-600 will work on any of them either on camera or as a remote flash.

I agree that there is some nice cost savings with the D7000 - especially used. I don't think the learning curve is difficult for any of these cameras. The menus and controls are relatively intuitive coming from other Nikon DSLR cameras. You will be adding video, Live View, and much better dynamic range and high ISO performance. You'll also like the much larger LCD.

I'd make the decision around both your needs and how important price is to you. If the D7100 is $1200, the D7000 will probably be in the $650-700 range for used models in very good condition.

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Madison, US
          

Eric
Thank you very much for your thoughts. There are D7000 at KEH and B&H in the $700 range that I have been looking at. I have been told the D7000 is the way to go, and seeing the differences between the D7000 and D7100 are not something I need to jump to the D7100 so it is sounding like the D7000 is truly the way to go.
Many thanks for your thoughts.
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#76. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

Chris, your profile says you shoot mainly sports. If that's the case, I suggest that the additional cost of the D7100 may well be worth it. If the D7100 autofocus system delivers what seems to be promised, it will be a significant improvement over that of the D7000. This is especially true if you are shooting at the high-school level or above. Not that you can't use a D7000, but I think you;ll get more "keepers" from the D7100.

That would be worth the extra money if it's my money. You'll have to decide for yourself since it's your money. You may want to wait for some of the early reviews to come out, too.

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ChrisRyan1 Registered since 20th Nov 2010Thu 21-Feb-13 04:20 PM
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#86. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Madison, US
          

Alot of my photography is lacrosse, high school and D1. The good news is that is it 'outdoor' as opposed to indoor basketball.
I am also doing more nature and the ISO on the D200 has been very frustrating toward sunrise and sunset.
I am thinking I should 'rent' a D7000 to see what my feelings on it is. Yes, it's always great to save money, but it hurts more kicking yourself by 'saving' and then realizing it wasn't really a savings.
You have great BB shots so I very much appreciate yuor thoughts.
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#82. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Tucson, US
          

Well... I guess I'll have to sell my D7000 and buy this new camera!

Not really! I'm happy with the D7000 and pretty much knew that they would be introducing a replacement model when I bought my D7000 during the "Black Friday" sales in November.

It's hard to believe that people used to keep their film cameras for 10-15 years before feeling the need for a replacement. Cameras have now become just like iPhones... gotta have the latest model!!!!!

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How true Jim

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#94. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

There is quite a difference between the concept of a film holder which essentially is what a film camera is, and a digital camera which insinuates itself in every aspect of the image results. There are obvious improvements with DR, noise, resolution and subsystems with each generation of digital, that was not the case with film. Need more low light performance, change to film with a different ASA sensitivity? Need more low light performance in digital, get more light or a new camera. I kept shooting my film camera for 20+years and my dad shot with his film cameras 40-60 years.
In the digital era, I have upgraded(just added newer bodies, not replaced existing bodies) 3 times in 5 years. The D7100 is probably the largest single jump in capability between any two model generations in DX history.
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#96. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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El Sobrante, US
          

Hi, Stan. When you said "The D7100 is probably the largest single jump in capability between any two model generations in DX history", did you mean between the D7000 and the D7100 or the D90 and the D7100? I always appreciate your reasoned approach to these issues. I had been leaning toward the D600 as an upgrade from my D90, but this D7100 has me reconsidering. The only thing I personally am disappointed in with the specs on the D7100 is the diopter adjustment going from -2 to +1 rather than -3 to +1. My correction is -3.75, but I found that on a friend's D600, the -3 enabled me so see quite well without my glasses. On my D90 I have the -3 DK21 (I think that's the model) diopter add-on, which works, but I'd rather be able to do without it. Do you think the high ISO noise levels on the D7100 will be about 2 stops better than on the D90? Thanks.

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#110. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

We do not know which eyepiece is used on the D7100 but in all likelihood your DK 21 will work or one that is already available with an adapter.
I use a larger eyecup and wear my glasses because I want to see exterior controls also, and evaluate images on the rear screen so I leave the diopter set at +/- 0.
If the change to FX is best for you really depends on your lenses or commitment to a long term lens plan because it is by far the most expensive part of ownin a FX camera. If you are happy with your DX lenses, that should be enough to give you pause in the move towards FX. If the lenses issues is actually a non-issue, the benefits in some types of photography overway the negatives. A landscape and portrait photographer would be best served by going FX. A wildlife or bird photographer would have a tougher decision due to the extreme size and cost of suitable lenses for the craft.
Either D600 or D7100 would be a significant upgrade in options in extreme of lower light, faster action, finer detail over the very competent D90. The D90, in reasonable light conditions is a very good camera if used with good lenses. So do not expect great differences in image appearance unless the conditions are extreme as I mentioned.
There is a technical difference in signal to noise ratio which should be about 2 stops but also the perception. A 24 meg pixel DX sensor is probably using 4.8 micron or smaller pixels which the D90 pixels are a lot larger. The resulting noise will have a different character and more film grain-like. The appearance of the same amount of noise in two images from D90 and D7100 files will result in less distracting or impairing noise in the D7100 files. So the real world viewing perception will be better with the same objective amount of noise.
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#113. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>We do not know which eyepiece is used on the D7100 but in all
>likelihood your DK 21 will work or one that is already
>available with an adapter.

The accessory compatibility can be seen here:
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/compatibility01.htm

No change to the eyepiece accessories from the D7000.

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#142. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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HIXSON, US
          

Thanks for this!
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#99. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Sorry, I really don't agree with your statement that the D7100 represents the largest "jump in capability between any two model generations in DX history". The jump from the D90 to the D7000 was a quite significant jump, and the D7100 is an obvious refinement to the D7000 with some features taken from the D5200 and the D800e.

Thom Hogan recommends waiting for two iterations of models before upgrading (e.g. D90 to D7100, for example). He's also less than complementary to Nikon in terms of their commitment to the DX format, especially in terms of no newer DX lenses recently introduced to their program (as opposed to FX lenses).

I'm not suggesting that the D7100 isn't a nice camera, but I simply don't believe that many photographers would find the upgrade from a D7000 really that advantageous.

If I win the Powerball lottery, I will upgrade at every iteration - why not? But in the real world I don't see the need.

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I agree there were other big jumps. I.e. in my book, the jump from the D100 to the D200 might have been the biggest so far, and there are other big jumps like the one you mentioned.

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#111. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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St Petersburg, RU
          

The reason for my classing the D7100 as such a major jump is that most of the elements are not refinements of the D90 and D7100 line but borrowed from the d800 and d4. That is a new class of DX, without a AA filter, with the newly optimized Multicam3500 that got the new tracking abilty by a new higher res metering sensor that has only been seen in top models: D4 and D800. About the only thing in common with the D7000 or D90 is case style.
The D90 was one of the best balanced cameras, with reliable competent performance with very forgiving manners. I still recommend that to anyone who wants an advanced camera but is not overly concerned with technique or nuances of shooting. It does everything well with few demands on the user. The D7000 is a big step in how it placed new demands on users so it appeared to be a bigger step that it is.

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#105. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Omaha, US
          

>There is quite a difference between the concept of a film
>holder which essentially is what a film camera is, and a
>digital camera which insinuates itself in every aspect of the
>image results. There are obvious improvements with DR, noise,
>resolution and subsystems with each generation of digital,
>that was not the case with film.

That's a good post right there.

Other than the rarefied world of medium format cameras with interchangeable (and therefore, upgradable) digital backs, a digital camera is very different from a film camera.

I do wonder if we are going to see things taper off a bit. The last 10 or 15 years have seen absolutely remarkable advances in DSLR offerings. And generally the market has responded...at least at the enthusiast level. Photographers like to upgrade. They want the latest and greatest.

Or at least that has been the pattern.

But I wonder if that will hold into the future.

As a D7000 shooter, personally I'm pleased with what I read about the D7100, but I don't have any desire to buy one at this time. I don't know if I'm typical or not, I just don't see anything compelling about this particular upgrade.

Everything eventually reaches a point of diminishing returns, and with DSLR's, I think we are getting there. Image quality, sharpness, dynamic range...all the core stuff that's a function of underlying sensor performance...that stuff is already pretty much "there". I've got 24" x 32" prints on my wall taken off my D7000 and, short of going at them with a loop, they are razor sharp. All the old rules (you need a bigger sensor. You need more MP) that motivated annual or bi-annual upgrades seem to be fading away.

So we see in the D7100 where the industry is being forced to go. From what I can see, most of the enhancements are centered around better dynamic handling. Things like better metering, better autofocus, etc. Stuff that matters when you are shooting exceptionally challenging subjects (ie, birds in flight, sports in marginal light).

These things are remarkable. I mean, point my now obsolete D7000 at a subject, and more times than not the autofocus system automatically and instantly picks the correct focus point and nails the shot. If the D7100 is even better, that's just more magic. These things are unbelievably awesome.

But they are also becoming increasingly specialized. Frankly, for what I shoot, I really don't care that much about the dynamic capabilities of a camera. Most of my shots are carefully lit, carefully composed, carefully taken. Hell, I'd shoot film EXCEPT that I really do like the instant feedback that digital provides. Well, that and I like not wasting time processing film. And even if I shot film, I'd scan it and do post-processing digitally. And I wonder how much longer film is even going to be available.

So I shoot digital.

But I have a hard time thinking I'll ever buy another camera, short of just plain wearing out my D7000. For what I do, its truly all I need.

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Ray B Gold Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2008Fri 22-Feb-13 07:53 AM
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#109. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Fri 22-Feb-13 07:55 AM by Ray B

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>I do wonder if we are going to see things taper off a bit. The
>last 10 or 15 years have seen absolutely remarkable advances
>in DSLR offerings. And generally the market has responded...at
>least at the enthusiast level. Photographers like to upgrade.
>They want the latest and greatest.
>
>Or at least that has been the pattern.
>
>But I wonder if that will hold into the future.
>

I've been pondering that too. I almost wonder with the resolutions we have now where do Nikon go next? I mean is there any need beyond 24mp DX and 36mp FX. Surely much exceeding that and we are out resolving our lenses and needing tripods to get a steady shot of any sort?

If there is any truth in that we are left with the other aspects of performance upgrades for future models in areas such as high ISO performance, frame rate, buffer, focus...etc etc.

At the prosumer end many of us have jumped on new technology and added to our lens arsenals too. For example I've built a glass collection over the last few years that's nearly done and dusted, I'm sure a lot of you have too.

It does make me wonder if Nikon should have kept some of their powder dry on this one with a more gradual ramp up of mp say 16 - 20 - 24 etc.

Will the decline in P&S camera sales, dSLR's surely starting to become mature products and Nikon being reliant on cameras for the majority of its sales you have to wonder what the long term plan is and where we'll be 5 to 10 years from now ??



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#122. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Omaha, US
          

I'm interested to see how Nikon/Canon/etc deal with this over the next ten years or so.

On the bottom end of the market, smart phones are surely killing off casual point-and-shoot sales. At the other end of the (consumer) market, DSLR's have reached a point of maturity such that improvements from here will be purely incremental, and largely peripheral (meaning that the core image capturing that a camera does is not going to change much...what will change is how the camera handles in the process).

Absent a "black swan" (maybe something to do with 3D?) that causes people to fundamentally re-think the concept of a "photograph", where does the industry go?

The transition from film to digital was a one-time windfall for the industry that is probably close to played out. We've all benefited mightily from this. When you think about how much camera $1000 will buy you today, its just sick. I'm glad to be on the purchasing side of this market, rather than losing sleep on the producer side trying to figure out a strategy to drive sales.

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#149. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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HIXSON, US
          

>Everything eventually reaches a point of diminishing returns,
>and with DSLR's, I think we are getting there. Image quality,
>sharpness, dynamic range...all the core stuff that's a
>function of underlying sensor performance...that stuff is
>already pretty much "there". I've got 24" x
>32" prints on my wall taken off my D7000 and, short of
>going at them with a loop, they are razor sharp. All the old
>rules (you need a bigger sensor. You need more MP) that
>motivated annual or bi-annual upgrades seem to be fading
>away.

Jeff,

I am an old guy who 1st programmed a vacuum tube based computer in 1961. Ever since I have had a middling interest in computer architecture. I still try to build the fastest PCs possible. For a period of about a year, I studied in depth things like RISC vs CISC. Possible density of transistors, the smallest size potential memory icreases could bring. Some theoretical limits of those days have been blown through over and over again. Checkout Moore's Law.

The question is, how can an Expeed4 (based on smaller lithography) with 64-bit quadcore processor with the possibility of 32GB memory, better, faster co-processors, micro-controllers help advance our enjoyment of photography. As best I understand, it could make major increases in processing what the sensor can see & resolve. I'm not thinking that more megapixels is real helpful. But better sensor technology to allow (with better & faster processing) better low light performance with better DR, better AF, better NR, etc.

If Nikon stops making incremental changes, people will stop buying cameras in sufficient quantity to keep them in a price range that we can handle. You may not like Nikon's marketing schemes, but without them there is no robust Nikon to give us what we crave.

I do not believe that we are close to reaching any limits. Expeed3 is no where near state of art in computing technology. Maybe they will need to outsource their processors to Intel.

Just my .2 cents.

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scottashley Silver Member Nikonian since 23rd Apr 2002Fri 22-Feb-13 12:24 AM
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#103. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Arvada, US
          

Digital Photography Review has a fairly thorough writeup on the D7100 here:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-d7100

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Fri 22-Feb-13 06:11 AM
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#106. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Dyserth, GB
          

This should interest folks asking about the possibility of a D400. I have posted this also on the D300 forum next door.

http://photographylife.com/is-there-room-for-a-nikon-d400#more-47012

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William Symonds Registered since 22nd Jan 2007Fri 22-Feb-13 06:55 AM
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#108. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Fri 22-Feb-13 06:57 AM by William Symonds

Bogor, ID
          

I really think that 24mp and 8fps are (currently) mutually exclusive.

A 16mp camera (or even something using the new 20MP sensor) might allow for faster fps and for ISO performance approaching D800 levels. What a great sports and general purpose camera that would be!

With a magnesium body it could hold heavier lenses. I imagine the 17-55mm, 24-70mm or 70-200mm must feel a bit weird on a D7x00.

But I think a 16mp camera would possible be seen as a retrograde step by someone up there in marketing. Moreover body aspects aside the D7100 has a lot of D800 DNA and is well ahead of the D600 in many areas - screen, fps, low light focussing, quick-zoom button, aperture change in live-view(maybe), bracketing to name a few.

And why would Nikon introduce a $1200 DX camera and then release the top of the range $1800 version. A lot of potential D400 customers will buy the D7100 - to me it doesn't add up though I am usually wrong and hope I maintain my record.

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#114. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>With a magnesium body it could hold heavier lenses. I imagine
>the 17-55mm, 24-70mm or 70-200mm must feel a bit weird on a
>D7x00.

Depends on what you find weird, I guess. I use a 24-70 and 70-200 on my D7000 and don't find it weird at all. I don't even find it weird when I put the D7000 on my 400 f/2.8, although I'll admit it looks tiny hanging off the end of that beast.

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sabre Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Dec 2006Fri 22-Feb-13 11:26 AM
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#115. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Bedfordshire, GB
          

Now, why would I even consider buying a new model from Nikon with an '-100' model number? Hm?

Let's see - the D5100 was effectively replaced by the D5200 after just 18 months. The D3100 was effectively replaced by the D3200 after just 18 months. Both '-200' models give significant advantages over their '-100' predecessors

Moral of the story: Enjoy your current camera for just another 18 months - which is not too long in the overall scheme of life - and Nikon will be surely by introducing the D7200 which will probably have a 36mp sensor and an even more amazing specification than the D7100.

PS. this was written by a completely disgruntled D200 user who is feeling sore at seeing the D7100's release as the final sign from Nikon that it is never going to produce a pro DX D400.

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Lunastar Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Jan 2010Fri 22-Feb-13 12:33 PM
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#120. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Mankato, US
          

The D7100 seems like a great little camera. I'll be interested to see it's low light, high ISO capabilities. But...I still want a D400! I absolutely love the layout of my D300's and can run their controls blindfolded. I really would like to see a 20MP D400 with 8FPS and a dedicated AF-ON button. Call it a D4 DX hybrid, if you will. It would be the ideal field sports and wildlife body.

Also, I wonder if the screw drive motor in the D7100 can move elements in AF-D glass like the 80-200 as quickly as the D300/800? I'm thinking, no.


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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004Fri 22-Feb-13 12:58 PM
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#123. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>The D7100 seems like a great little camera. I'll be
>interested to see it's low light, high ISO capabilities.
>But...I still want a D400! I absolutely love the layout of my
>D300's and can run their controls blindfolded. I really would
>like to see a 20MP D400 with 8FPS and a dedicated AF-ON
>button. Call it a D4 DX hybrid, if you will. It would be the
>ideal field sports and wildlife body.

To me, the ideal field-sports body would be a large-body model like the D1/2/3/4 series, using a modern DX sensor. But I would take a body such as you describe. Next fall for football I expect I'll be using a D7100 -- unless Nikon surprises us this summer.

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#124. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Omaha, US
          

Its just the nature of things.

No matter what you buy, its going to be obsolete within 18 to 24 months.

Digital cameras are disposable.

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#125. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Bedfordshire, GB
          

>No matter what you buy, its going to be obsolete within 18 to
>24 months.

...well, that's a true statement if we are gullible enough to keep buying every incremental 'upgrade' that is released.

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#126. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Toronto, CA
          

>No matter what you buy, its going to be obsolete within 18 to
>24 months.
>
>Digital cameras are disposable.

That's a popular misconception created for over two generation by relentless marketing. We should not promote it here.

Obsolesence only has to do with inability to repair. Nikon parts for any particular DSLR camera model have always been available for approximately 10 years after the model is released. Nothing has changed - parts continue to be available for ten year spans, sometimes longer.

A digital camera is only "disposable" if its owner a) is foolish or careless or carefree about the expenditure of inordinate sums of money, b) allows himself to be easy prey for insistent marketing which worms its way so deeply enough into his thinking that he becomes convinced that dumping his existing and perfectly good camera is just the way things have to be in order for his photography to improve, and c) believes that the release of a succeeding camera model will somehow emanate invisible rays that will materially degrade the sensor in his existing camera, thereby requiring its replacement.

We have to stop being prey for marketers. The cameras we've already got in our hands - the cameras with which we're already most familiar - are the ones with which we'll most likely make our best photos now and in the foreseeable future.

The acquisition of a 24mp DSLR will not make anyone a better photographer.

Take Thom Hogan's implicit advice. Anybody who already has a D7000 should keep it and keep using it as much as possible. The D7100 is a corporate move by Nikon, not a must-have camera. The absence of an antialiasing filter on the sensor is a feature-boast, and will not (in 99.9% of all shooting situations) help the vast majority of photographers make photos any better than they already can with a D7000. The new autofocus system is not a wonderful magic box that will eliminate or overcome the unavoidable bad effects of poor handheld and poor tripod technique and poor exposure choices. An AF system that works at -2Ev? Who cares?!? Try making photos in favorable light instead of wasting valuable time trying to make photos in the absence of light.

Keep your money in your pockets. The D7100 is, IMO, a whole lot of nothing. At $1200 or so, it's priced attractively enough, but that's part of Nikon's marketing strategy as well - make it the right price and tens of thousands of people who absolutely don't need the camera will buy it anyway. Obviously, at this moment in time, I'm not happy with Nikon at all. Skip the D7100.

I also still believe that the successor to the D300/300s will show up in the April/May time frame and certainly in 2013. Nikon is not abandoning or pushing all the avid birders and semi-pro shooters of all kinds (and on a budget) to FX and the D600. Look for two more DX lenses this year along with a D400 (or whatever Nikon decides to call it). That's been my prediction for quite some time.

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#128. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Tallahassee, US
          

Look,

We all have our feelings on purchasing cameras. Some feel that upgrades are frivolous, others feel very differently. However, I don't see the need or the point in disparaging one group or the other, nor do I see the need is silly name calling or suggesting that those who continue to move forward with new models are sheep, gullible, or anything else.

So let me offer my own example as to why I continue to upgrade.

I am a sports photographer primarily. I often have to shoot in environments which require ISO 3200-12,800. Flash is not allowed. Players move very quickly at the college or above levels. I also shoot field sports like soccer, where my distance to target can be greater than 130 yards, or in golf where it can be over 300 yards.

The camera I want has the body of a D3/D4, the sensor and frame speed of a Nikon 1, and the ISO sensitivity of the D3s or better. Sadly, that camera does not yet exist. We keep moving closer to it. So until that camera DOES exist, I will keep moving with Nikon as they get closer to the ideal camera for me. That does not make me frivilous, it does NOT mean I am a sheep, it does not mean I am buying into any marketing machine. It simply means that I am buying cameras that make it easier for me to do the job I am being paid to do.

If the D7100 has no value for you, then so be it. But to suggest that the D7100 is a whole lot of nothing is misleading and dishonest. For me personally, it means I can stop leaving my D7000 home because it doesn't focus well enough in lower light to follow action at the speeds I'd like it to. Additionally, it means that if that camera would work in that environment, I'll be more mobile because I won't need the 300/2.8 as the 70-200/2.8 will do the same job. At basketball that is VERY meaningful. I can stay on one body, instead of needing two. Same with volleyball.

You don't like the D7100. Fine. But no need to slam others for whom it brings significant value.

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#132. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Toronto, CA
          

>Look,
>
>We all have our feelings on purchasing cameras. Some feel
>that upgrades are frivolous, others feel very differently.
>However, I don't see the need or the point in disparaging one
>group or the other, nor do I see the need is silly name
>calling or suggesting that those who continue to move forward
>with new models are sheep, gullible, or anything else.

>If the D7100 has no value for you, then so be it. But to
>suggest that the D7100 is a whole lot of nothing is misleading
>and dishonest. For me personally, it means I can stop leaving
>my D7000 home because it doesn't focus well enough in lower
>light to follow action at the speeds I'd like it to.
>Additionally, it means that if that camera would work in that
>environment, I'll be more mobile because I won't need the
>300/2.8 as the 70-200/2.8 will do the same job. At basketball
>that is VERY meaningful. I can stay on one body, instead of
>needing two. Same with volleyball.
>
>You don't like the D7100. Fine. But no need to slam others for
>whom it brings significant value.

"Look" yourself. I slammed the effects of relentless marketing, not Nikonians members who are free to agree or disagree with me, you and everybody else who posts an opinion. My high opinion of Nikonians members and their personal decisions is unassailable. Nor do I deride or criticize or otherwise negatively view your personal and professional upgrade requirements. I did not comment on personal use, only rather about my personal disappointment in the new model and in the nonsensical and cross-purpose marketing statements issued by Nikon USA, Nikon Canada and Nikon Japan with respect to the D7100.

Please do not take my opinion personally, please do not take it as any sort of affront to your professional needs, and please do not suggest that I am in any way deriding the opnions, feelings, wants or needs of any other Nikonians. Suggesting or implying anything of the kind detracts from this thread and flies in the face of the respect I have always shown for the opinions and interests of other members.

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#144. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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HIXSON, US
          

+1

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#131. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Omaha, US
          

I agree completely.

The point I was making, perhaps badly, was addressed to Steve and his lamentation of the rapid obsolescence cycle in digital cameras. My meaning is that if one is inclined to be "sorry" that the investment he made last year is no longer "the latest", then one will always be sorry. Digital cameras are no different than computers or smart phones or televisions. We are in the middle of a rapid development/evolution cycle and the "next great thing" is always right around the corner.

As I said elsewhere in this thread, I do think that we are at a point of diminishing returns with digital cameras. Some shooters still require improvements (I'm thinking mainly of action/sports shooters who can always use better AF, better AE, better SPEED). But for guys like me (who mainly shoot under controlled, staged conditions with planned lighting and all the rest), what's left? I can't think of a single context in which I'd say "I have a creative vision for this image, but my D7000 doesn't allow me to get there".

In truth, the majority of my stuff gets converted to B&W, and for that my D70 is more than enough. I don't shoot it much anymore because the D7000 is so much more responsive, but if I went back to it, it wouldn't interfere with the creative process.

I don't think the desire to continuously upgrade to the "latest and greatest" is best characterized as "gullibility". Some people are technology enthusiasts. There's nothing wrong with that. Everyone needs a hobby, right? Some of the rationalizations that I see can be rather amusing to be sure, but we all have our self-deceptions.

For me, I don't bother to track my spending, but I'm sure I've spent more in the last 18 months on lighting and props than I have on camera gear.

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#133. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Fri 22-Feb-13 03:04 PM by agitater

Toronto, CA
          

>As I said elsewhere in this thread, I do think that we are at
>a point of diminishing returns with digital cameras. Some
>shooters still require improvements (I'm thinking mainly of
>action/sports shooters who can always use better AF, better
>AE, better SPEED). But for guys like me (who mainly shoot
>under controlled, staged conditions with planned lighting and
>all the rest), what's left? I can't think of a single context
>in which I'd say "I have a creative vision for this
>image, but my D7000 doesn't allow me to get there".

Wise words I think. I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with the overarching and relentlessly insistent marketing that more and more companies have to make use of in order to persuade existing customers to upgrade and in order to find new customers in an absurdly competitive marketplace.

You've not only said it this thread (the 'law' of diminishing returns), but said it well in other threads too. It's a valuable reminder to all of us. The diminishing returns, with respect to visible improvements in image quality obtained with a given set of photography skills after the acquisition of another new camera, have kicked in with a vengeance. As much as Perrone clearly expresses the precise use he can make of several D7100 features (in his capacity as an active pro shooter), I say there are hordes of existing D7000 owners (in other words, vastly more photographers than the relatively tiny number represented by him and his professional peers) who'll do extremely well by continuing to strive to become better photographers with the D7000 they've already got.

So I'm not criticizing the choice to purchase a D7100, merely advising caution and an honest assessment of need vs actual skill and technique. It is much easier for Perrone to make such a decision because in his capacity as an active and successful pro shooter he must, by definition, regularly assess his skills, technique and needs. So how many Nikoninans are doing that - emulating Perrone's good example and the example of other similar thinkers in this regard - by routinely assessing whether or not it is their camera & lens choices or their photography skills and technique which are letting them down?

I think for most shooters, the D7100 is a pass. But I won't criticize anyone for buying it, that's for sure.

I think we have to discuss these sorts of issues here. As Nikonians members, I think we're obligated to not only be enthusiastic about new Nikon products. I'm also not under any delusions that my concerns have to be shared by others or that I might sway anyone away from a D7100 purchase they actually need to make for the right reasons (or any reasons). But the principle of diminishing returns applies here and you're most right, IMO, to raise it in this thread.

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#147. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>The new
>autofocus system is not a wonderful magic box that will
>eliminate or overcome the unavoidable bad effects of poor
>handheld and poor tripod technique and poor exposure choices.
>An AF system that works at -2Ev? Who cares?!? Try making
>photos in favorable light instead of wasting valuable time
>trying to make photos in the absence of light.

Howard, have you done action shooting with bodies that have the Multi-CAM 3500 system and with the Multi-CAM 4800 system of the D7000? If you have, and you are getting the same results, I'd love to hear more about it because it doesn't match my experience or that of any of the other Nikon sports shooters I know. In fact, I don't know of ANY professional sports shooters in my area using a D7000, but I know quite a few who are using D300 bodies, and the AF system is the principal issue.

>I also still believe that the successor to the D300/300s will
>show up in the April/May time frame and certainly in 2013.

If such a beast shows up before the end of summer, I'll happily evaluate it as a solution to my need for a second high-speed body to pair with my D3. If not, I'll probably have a D7100 prior to football season, and I'm confident it will do a great job at shooting field sports, which is not something I would say about my D7000.

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#127. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Windermere, US
          

I'm confident that the level of enthusiasm for the D7100's new features and capabilities as compared to the D7000 will vary widely based upon how one uses his or her camera.

For me, after looking over the differences, I have absolutely no regrets about buying the D7000 last year. As someone who primarily enjoys lanscape photography with the occasional drift into a casual portrait or some street shooting, the D7000 has never left me wanting for anything (except some true wide angle prime lenses, but such is life with DX).

I suppose the move from 16 to 24 megapixels is ok, but honestly, the D4 is "making due" with 16.2 (albeit on FX) and the beloved D300 plods along with only 12.3, proving that megapixels aren't everything.

If I were to pick my favorite feature, though, it would probably be the new 51-point AF system, but even that would be an academice nicety as the the D7000's 39-point system has never disappointed me. Sports and wildlife shooters would probably find a real appreciation for this, though.

The strangest feature to me is the 1.3X crop mode. The most significant difference it yields seems to be an extra FPS in continuous mode from 6 to 7. Honestly, if you're doing the type of shooting where this matters, neither camera is really what you want or need, so this seems just silly to me. Perhaps I am missing something, though.

The lockable mode dial is a nice touch, though again, I've never had mine accidentally move on me like many others have reported.

All in all, it looks like a nice evolutionary update, but not really revolutionary.

Depending upon how much the price of the D7000 drops, I think I'd make the same choice again and bank the difference to put toward a nice lens. But then again, my next body will be FX

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#129. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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>The strangest feature to me is the 1.3X crop mode. The most
>significant difference it yields seems to be an extra FPS in
>continuous mode from 6 to 7. Honestly, if you're doing the
>type of shooting where this matters, neither camera is really
>what you want or need, so this seems just silly to me.
>Perhaps I am missing something, though.

It's actually a 1.3X crop of a 1.5X crop sensor. That amounts, approximately, to a 2X crop but at only 13.5mp (which is lower resolution than the 16mp D7000).

Nikon and birders and wildlife shooters may tout the lower res 2X total crop as beneficial and as eliminating the need for a stop-adding teleconverter. Problem is, a Nikon TC-17E-II AF-S teleconverter is $400 and still leaves you with a 16mp D7000, but a D7100 is $1200 or so and for a slightly wider angle of view leaves you with 13.5mp.

So I'm agreeing with you wholeheartedly. The D7100 may be a fine camera, but anyone who owns an also-fine D7000 should remain absolutely delighted with it.

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#137. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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>Nikon and birders and wildlife shooters may tout the lower res
>2X total crop as beneficial and as eliminating the need for a
>stop-adding teleconverter. Problem is, a Nikon TC-17E-II AF-S
>teleconverter is $400 and still leaves you with a 16mp D7000,
>but a D7100 is $1200 or so and for a slightly wider
>angle of view leaves you with 13.5mp.

Don't forget you lose a stop of light gathering with the TC.

Additionally, add a TC to the 7100 and now you're talking some LONG lenses...


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#145. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Fri 22-Feb-13 06:09 PM by jbloom

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>It's actually a 1.3X crop of a 1.5X crop sensor. That amounts,
>approximately, to a 2X crop but at only 13.5mp (which is lower
>resolution than the 16mp D7000).

I don't know where you are getting your figures, but that's simply not correct. The 1.3 crop of the D7100 gives an exact 2x overall crop resulting in a 4,800 x 3,200 pixel image, which by my calculation is 15.36 MP. Compared to the D7000 full resolution of 4,928 x 3,264 pixels, I consider that a negligible difference.

As has been said in other contexts, you are welcome to your own opinions, but you are not welcome to your own facts.

>Nikon and birders and wildlife shooters may tout the lower res
>2X total crop as beneficial and as eliminating the need for a
>stop-adding teleconverter. Problem is, a Nikon TC-17E-II AF-S
>teleconverter is $400 and still leaves you with a 16mp D7000,
>but a D7100 is $1200 or so and for a slightly wider
>angle of view leaves you with 13.5mp.

Ummm... have you ever shot a TC-17E II on a D7000? I have, with both a 300 f/4 and a 400 f/2.8. The 1.5-stop loss of the TC makes a marginal AF system worse, and it means stepping up the ISO to keep the shutter speed up, further degrading IQ. Plus, the TC-17E II is an OK TC, but its optics degrade IQ when you use it on a high-density sensor.

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#146. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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<<Ummm... have you ever shot a TC-17E II on a D7000? I have, with both a 300 f/4 and a 400 f/2.8. The 1.5-stop loss of the TC makes a marginal AF system worse, and it means stepping up the ISO to keep the shutter speed up, further degrading IQ. Plus, the TC-17E II is an OK TC, but its optics degrade IQ when you use it on a high-density sensor.>>

I wouldn't argue with that, in fact I rarely use my TC-17E II on my 300mm f4 for that reason and of course Nikon do not recommend this TC as a suitable AF TC, but for focus hunting reasons. I do however have reasonable results with my 1.4 TC. However I have noticed that my images are not as sharp as they were with my D300 or D700 when using TC-17E II on my D7000 and D800. In which case perhaps what you say has value.

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#148. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Jon, you are correct – 15.36 MP

Reference - http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/spec.htm

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#130. "D7100 Screen..."
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Fri 22-Feb-13 03:09 PM by jules

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Bigger...Nice
Brighter like a Sony white magic
But can anyone tell me what it's made of? Doesn't appear you can fit a Nikon clip on (Hate em anyway!) Screen protector (Not important to everyone, I know) Gorilla glass maybe?
Just curious...


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#134. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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My take on all this is that if someone already has a D7000 (or any other Nikon) likes it and takes satisfactory acceptable images to their eye, then an upgrade probably will not help them succeed in achieving further quality. Whenever a new model arrives the same old, same old discussions are repeated and it's always the same, many folks, many ideas. Most are never right or wrong, just a collection of opinions.

In this gadget frenzied world we perhaps should take a step backwards. I don't think of a dSLR as a gadget, it's a well engineered tool that used properly will return years of photographic satisfaction. Or, at the very least, should do. There's much talk now of a 2 year cycle and of course Nikon have a large work force so keeping them employed means attacking willing markets.

Today I've looked closely at folks galleries from landscapes to sport and portrait to architecture way back to 2005 and up to today. I've seen spectacular and some less than spectacular images taken with D70,80,90,100,200, 300/s,700,7000,800 anon. The one single thing jumped out at me was how little overall quality had changed. For example I found images from 2006 with a D200 and a D80 and if posted as being of today with a claim of being taken with a D800 they would have fooled me.

My view is that all folks are different and have different needs and more importantly varying budgets. It is true that a photographer of 2005 had less choice of camera, with less features etc,however technology just marches on. As in film days the world has its share of both cash rich and budget poor. If someone must have a camera as the latest must have, fine. If someone beavers away with a 5 year old model that's fine too.

I have learned so much here and it's changed my point (or even my field) of view My point is I am not interested in what has just arrived from a must have point of view, but will it make a difference to me. If it won't then I'm out, but with total respect for everyone who's in.

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#138. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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An excellent post, Richard.

At some point in a photographer's life, it is likely that he or she will begin to experience frustration and limitations that are related to a piece of gear, be it a body or a lens.

My first film camera as a teen was a Konica rangefinder with a fixed wide angle lens, and I quickly learned that I was never going to get a closeup of a pretty flower with a blurred background out of it, nor was I ever going to make a flattering portrait. But it taught me enough about photography to help me make my first big-boy SLR purchase, a Canon A-1.

Such was the case for me again last year when I realized that my first DSLR, an Olympus E500, wasn't going to cut it in low light. It has produced some stunning images for me in the light of day, but it's AF system was slow and relatively blind in dim lighting, and it didn't have the ISO range I really needed.

And while I love the Zuiko lenses, the choices are limited, and honestly I was concerned about the longevity of the full 4/3 system.

Moving to Nikon and getting a D7000 addressed both of those issues for me, and while I still take plenty of bad photos, this camera and its available lenses have allowed me to grow and improve as a hobbyist photographer.

I'm a gadget and gear kind of guy so a part of me always feels a pull toward the latest and greatest, but for my needs I can't see taking my D7000 out of primary service unless I make the commitment to FX. Right now, I can't even make a good case for that.

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#141. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Richard,

I think that is a very good perspective and a good write-up. The only caveat I'd add is that can be difficult to note marginal improvements in images down-scaled and down-res'ed for web display. Images prepared for larger prints might tell a very different story.

Also, in comparing images from earlier equipment and more current equipment in galleries, you wouldn't be able to tell how aggressively an image has been cropped. I can assure you that I am able to crop images from the D7000 much more than I was able to crop with the D200 while maintaining apparent sharpness equivalent to or exceeding D200 sharpness. It isn't just the greater pixel density that allowed that, it was also the higher signal to noise ratio and greater dynamic range.

That said, I still very much agree with your point. The skill and eye of a photographer is far more important than the technology in hand when it comes to producing appealing images. One simply learns to work within the limits of the tool.

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#143. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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Hi Chris

<<The only caveat I'd add is that can be difficult to note marginal improvements in images down-scaled and down-res'ed for web display.>>

Yes, I did appreciate that when I was writing. I've always wondered what real value posted images are when judging camera or lens performance downsized to such a low resolution. In fact although I always obey the Nikonians longest side and maximum size rules, I always post at 300ppi in a bid to try and give better detail. I am sure I'm now going to be told it makes no difference Yes and of course you are totally correct that tight cropping is a major factor.

I am glad you appreciated my point of view and it was written because no matter what camera is launched and after initial comments the forum turns to the usual debates. I don't mind this at all as it's good banter, but until the reviews, the posted images and most of all the personal experiences are posted, it is pure hypothosis. Newbies to dSLR photography must get very confused when they read some threads.

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#150. "RE: Nikon announces D7100"
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This thread is getting pretty long at about 150 posts.
I am going to close it out now and start a new thread to continue the conversation.

Here is the new thread...

http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=329&topic_id=24389&mesg_id=24389&page=

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