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Caroleen Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2007Sat 22-Sep-12 10:53 PM
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"Disappointed with the D7000"


Carthage, US
          

Wandering if someone can help me. I took a trip to the beach and it was an absolutely gorgeous day, took many, many pictures and when they were put on the computer they were just BLAH!!!! They were not absolutely saturated with color like what my eyes were seeing.

I changed the white balance to different settings and then the picture quality to Vivid. Nothing seemed to bring out the pictures and made them POP! What am I doing wrong?

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elec164 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009Sat 22-Sep-12 10:58 PM
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#1. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Sat 22-Sep-12 10:59 PM by elec164

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Hard to say without an example image with the EXIF data intact. Also include a discription of the setup.

Could be a number of different reasons.

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Caroleen Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2007Sat 22-Sep-12 11:24 PM
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#2. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Carthage, US
          

How do you change your image to the right size?

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Rassie Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006Sat 22-Sep-12 11:46 PM
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What photo editing program do you use?

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Caroleen Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2007Sun 23-Sep-12 01:43 AM
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#4. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Carthage, US
          

Currently I have Picasa

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#6. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Hi Caroleen,
First, here are instructions on how to change the resolution when exporting from Picasa.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5284750_change-photo-sizes-picasa.html

Did you shoot RAW or JPEG? A sample photo with the EXIF information will provide a lot of information that can help determine the cause.

Were you shooting in Manual, Aperture, Shutter, Programmed or Auto mode? If Manual, what ISO, aperture and shutter speed were you using?

The most likely reason was your configuration. I've captured several thousand images with the D7000 and if I don't overexpose and blow out the highlights, I can easily get mine to "pop" with plenty of contrast and color saturation.

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Caroleen Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2007Sun 23-Sep-12 03:27 AM
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#7. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Sun 23-Sep-12 03:28 AM by Caroleen

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This was taken with a Nikon D7000, f10, 1/250, ISO 250









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Remember that if you shoot in RAW, any in-camera picture settings such as boosted saturation, sharpness, etc... are not honored by Picasa, Lightroom, etc... Only Nikon's software (CaptureNX) keeps this data.

I use Lightroom, and usually 100% of the time I'm increasing overall saturation to about 20 or 30 on the slider, and clarity to about 10. And this is on the D7000 as well as my D300s.

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#11. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Sun 23-Sep-12 01:45 PM by four eighty sparky

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>This was taken with a Nikon D7000, f10, 1/250, ISO 250
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The first thing I see is the dynamic range of the scene does not extend to what the D7000 recorded. Bring the black point up to 38 and the white point down to 249.

Then put a slight S into the curve, bump up the saturation...... and you're golden.

I added a high-pass focus as well.

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Caroleen Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2007Sun 23-Sep-12 03:03 PM
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#12. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Wow - you're a little over my head by bringing up the black point and the white point. I'm not that far along yet. You did a great job with the picture though, thank you.

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#15. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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>Wow - you're a little over my head by bringing up the black
>point and the white point. I'm not that far along yet. You
>did a great job with the picture though, thank you.




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#17. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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>The first thing I see is the dynamic range of the scene does

On my (calibrated) monitor the saturation appears too high on this adjusted image. I point this out in case the OP has monitor calibration issues. Peter

  

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#5. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Hi Caroleen,

I clicked on the link to your gallery but did not see any pictures.

I'd like to see some before commenting.

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#8. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Sun 23-Sep-12 04:24 AM by Rassie

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I adjusted your picture just a bit in terms of exposure, brightness, contrast, colour saturation to make it pop a bit more.

Since I always shoot raw I don't bother too much with how the pictures come out of the camera, knowing I'm going to have to edit them anyway. If you don't want to edit them, you'll have to experiment with camera settings until you find a combination that works well for you.

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Caroleen Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2007Sun 23-Sep-12 01:04 PM
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YES - now that POPs. I like it. Is there a way to get your camera settings for it to look that way right out of the camera?

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#13. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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You can use the vivid setting and increase sharpness internally. However to get good pictures constantly you should shot in RAW and then use a Post Processing program like Photoshop or NX2.

I think your expectation of having great shots out of the camera are unrealistic in many situations. The advantage of digital camera is that you can make adjustments that only the best custom film labs could even come close to.

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#14. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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If you are shooting JPG, try the vivid setting to start with. Basically you are looking to increase the saturation and contrast and sharpness settings. How much you increase them will be personal taste.

If you are shooting NEF, only Nikon's software will honor the above settings. All third-party NEF readers will require you to adjust them the settings manually, but most will allow you to save the settings as a starting point.

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#16. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Sun 23-Sep-12 11:37 PM by PAStime

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>I changed the white balance to different settings and then the
>picture quality to Vivid. Nothing seemed to bring out the
>pictures and made them POP! What am I doing wrong?

Note that when I look at the EXIF data for the image example you posted it would appear that the Picture Control was set to Standard and not Vivid.

I scanned all other settings and all seems fine.

Congratulations on shooting manual mode by the way!

Peter


PhotoME version: 0.82 (Build 891)


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Last modification: 23/09/2012 19:29
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Software: Ver.1.03
Dimension: 800 x 530px(0.4 MP, 3:2)
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Coded Character Set: UTF-8
Application Record Version: Version 4
Creator: Picasa


Application Segment 0 (JFIF): 0x00000006
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Encoder: Independent JPEG Group library (used by many applications), Quality: 98
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Copyright holder:
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Compression scheme: JPEG (old-style)
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Exposure time: 1/320"
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Maximum lens aperture: 5Av (F5.6)
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#18. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Did you get all that information off that picture? If so, how? Can you do that with pictures you see on the internet that you want to know what settings they used?

Thought that might be another good way of learning the effect that you want to get. Thanks for your input.

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#19. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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>Did you get all that information off that picture? If so,
>how?

it's called EXIF, or metadata. All digital cameras record this information. EXIF viewers can be downloaded for free off the internet, or you can use View NX that came with your camera.

>Can you do that with pictures you see on the internet
>that you want to know what settings they used?

Not all. Some people strip the data before they post images, other sites strip it automatically.

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#20. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Tue 25-Sep-12 12:21 PM by J_Harris

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Hi Caroleen,

Ken (four eighty sparky) mentioned EXIF readers that can be downloaded from the Internet.

Probably the two most popular that have been mentioned/used by members is Opanda and PhotoME. It looks like Peter (PAStime) in post #16 is using PhotoME.

I have both installed, Panda looks pretty and is simple to read and understand, however I have settled on PhotoME. It has more information but is in a spreedsheet format and a little more complicated to use, until you get used to it. Unfortunately it has been a while since either program has been updated, but they still work fine using Windows and they are free.

You can use the links below to download either one.

http://www.opanda.com/en/iexif/index.html

http://www.photome.de/

Jerry

Edited: Changed Ken to Peter as using PhotoME in post #16 (Sorry, Peter) .

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PAStime Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009Tue 25-Sep-12 01:48 AM
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#21. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Yup, I am using PhotoMe. Great program. Price is the best! I can right-click on an image in my Firefox web browser and bring up all of that information you see in my post #16. It also shows the focus points that the camera used. I also added an export option to Lightroom that fires up PhotoMe and shows me the EXIF of the image in question.

Apologies to all too about post #16. It is very lengthy but I thought that seeing the data would help with our diagnosis.

Peter

  

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Caroleen Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2007Tue 25-Sep-12 02:26 AM
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#22. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Thank you Peter for your input. I so appreciate it. I was looking on line at that program and it didn't mention that it would work with Windows #7. Do you know if it will?

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elec164 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009Tue 25-Sep-12 02:30 AM
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#23. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Yes, I use it on a PC running Win7 64-bit.

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mudman2 Silver Member Nikonian since 14th May 2009Tue 25-Sep-12 12:58 PM
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Don't waste your time, get Adobe Lightroom or Nikon NX2.

So much better for just about everything you want to do, especially NX2

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>Don't waste your time, get Adobe Lightroom or Nikon NX2.
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>So much better for just about everything you want to do,
>especially NX2


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J_Harris Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Mar 2011Tue 25-Sep-12 02:16 PM
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#26. "RE: Disappointed with the D7000"
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Capture/View NX2 and a stand-alone EXIF reader have entirely different purposes.

Most people will use an EXIF reader to simply look at a photo either on the web or their hard drive for analysis/diagnostics or just curiosity - not post processing like you would use Capture/View NX2 for.

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We're straying off-topic here, gentlemen.

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