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phfcpa Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Nov 2007Mon 01-Nov-10 09:33 AM
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"D7000 for Birds in flight"


Boca Raton, US
          

Does anyone have an opinion for BIF, I currently use a D700 and D300s, and do not have any problems with BIF. Any opinions or tests yet for those who own the D7000 with their results?
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dankeny Gold Member Nikonian since 29th May 2006Mon 01-Nov-10 07:08 PM
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Roland, US
          

So far I have only shot ducks coming in fairly low to my house. That's as easy a bif target as you are gonna get, but compared to D700, advantage D7000, if for no other reason, pixel count on the bird.

And word count in that sentence.

David

  

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KnightPhoto Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2006Wed 03-Nov-10 04:07 AM
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Alberta, CA
          

I will be testing this on the weekend with my 500VR. Is a vital question for me too for my planned usage for the D7000 and I have the same other bodies as you except D300 not 's'.

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lifewings Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Jun 2008Fri 05-Nov-10 03:13 PM
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Santa Fe, US
          

Yes ... please post your results. I just found a D7K body ... will arrive this coming week, just before going down to the Bosque. Got it to replace my D50 as a second body to my D300, but am now wondering if the D300 should be the second body. Primary lens used would be the 500mm.

Any experiential thoughts on this would be welcome. Thanks

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#4. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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I really only had an hour out and about, so I didn't accomplish much. So far seems decent for ISO 1250 in medium dull light. These are all crops at 1/1600 and wide open with 500VR and TC14E (f5.6). The mallards are an especially heavy crop, I didn't get many pixels on them so don't judge too much from that shot.

I show one full frame on the goose at the end so you can see how much I cropped. No noise reduction but sharpened and post-processed. On the last goose I boosted exposure 2/3 of a stop so for ISO 1250 it might even represent something like ISO 1800. We will see how things go, these are literally my first images with the cam so I'm hoping to do a little better.

I ran out of time today, I plan to get a serious day's shooting done on Remembrance Day (Nov 11).

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#5. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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I meant to add some subjective impressions:

- AF initial acquisition seemed very snappy, which was a pleasant surprise. It certainly did not seem any slower than my D300 to acquire the target and to tell the truth it felt faster than the D300. Maybe it felt faster because I did not have too high expectations and they were exceeded. We'll see; I have shot too few images to say this authoritatively.

- tracking seems more sure-footed than my D300. There's two elements to this. I have some 12-shot sequences of distant swans and also ducks where 10 of 12 are perfectly fine (I also have some sequences where I blew it too ). The other element is tracking a bird in front of a busy background - again subjective and after very little use - I have this uncanny feeling using 9-point dynamic that the AF tracks much better without grabbing on the background. And this was on some very distant subjects where my D300 I think has a greater tendency to grab on the background. I've got Delay set to Short, just like on my D300. Very subjective conclusion, don't take too much stock in this yet.

- Is it possible the AF points are smaller, therefore less tendency to grab on the background?

- ISO1250 was a little noisier than I hoped but conditions were dull. I am keen to see this in a variety of lighting.

- regardless AF does not seem worse than my D300 and my overall impression is it is better.

- I notice the smaller buffer and slower frame-rate (6 vs. 8). I have to be more disciplined about mashing down the shutter and holding it there. Not entirely a bad thing.

- I'm reviewing the day's shooting as I write this, 250 images, and am getting more excited as I go through them. I have this crazy feeling that all I had to do was wave the lens (on gimbal today) in the general direction of the birds and it was nailing initial acquisition and then pretty much every image in the sequences. I do not feel my D300 does this.

- Because a lot of my sequences today were fairly distant, maybe if the birds were closer the AF might have had a tougher time keeping up.

- About two weeks ago on dpreview there was a thread by an experienced Eagle shooter that normally shoots a D3/400 2.8 and he returned his D7000 because it was demonstrably (he showed samples) not nailing focus like his D3. I am very relieved to report I am seeing NOTHING like that.

- Really on the AF side of this camera, if I can repeat what I did today with some closer targets, I will be very happy with the D7000. I can tell you I am surprised and pleased.

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#6. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Thanks for the informative report Steve.
Maybe the higher color resolution of the new 2k RGB metering sensor has some real benefit for those using the tracking modes.

After reading the posts of that eagle shooter and some of the misinformed claims he made I would not exactly classify him a skilled photographer, just one with more money than sense, with a bad attitude.
Some wondered aloud how he could take 275 shots and not have one successful image even if luck alone was guiding him. His one hour of trying it before taking it back to the store does not qualify as an informed report. DPR is full of such malcontents who switch weekly, never learning how to use what they bought last. The often bemoaned claims of beginner D7000 buyers of soft images cause a lot of them to switch after a few days to Sony NEX. Now they are complaining about those.

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#22. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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>Thanks for the informative report Steve.
>Maybe the higher color resolution of the new 2k RGB metering
>sensor has some real benefit for those using the tracking
>modes.
>
>After reading the posts of that eagle shooter and some of the
>misinformed claims he made I would not exactly classify him a
>skilled photographer, just one with more money than sense,
>with a bad attitude.
>Some wondered aloud how he could take 275 shots and not have
>one successful image even if luck alone was guiding him. His
>one hour of trying it before taking it back to the store does
>not qualify as an informed report. DPR is full of such
>malcontents who switch weekly, never learning how to use what
>they bought last. The often bemoaned claims of beginner D7000
>buyers of soft images cause a lot of them to switch after a
>few days to Sony NEX. Now they are complaining about those.
>
>Stan
>St Petersburg Russia

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Stan, It is people like you and posts like this one, which make me glad I found Nikonians.



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lifewings Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Jun 2008Sun 07-Nov-10 02:43 PM
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#7. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Thanks Steve ... very helpful.

It will be interesting to see how the camera performs on closer BIF ... please keep us posted.

One question ... how well did the battery perform? Were you shooting in cold weather? Were you using flash? Since the new batteries are not yet available, that is a concern of mine, as I'll be down at the Bosque shooting under cold conditions for a couple of hours (at least) at a time.

With the D300 I use the battery grip, which of course gives me enough extra battery power that I am not that concerned.I'd like to try out the D7000 (assuming it arrives on Friday) this coming weekend, but would hate to be caught short power-wise.

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#8. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Sun 07-Nov-10 04:59 PM by KnightPhoto

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The temperature was 7 celsius / 45 fahrenheit. Picture meter shows 312 pictures and I shot a couple very short video clips and battery is showing 74%. Everything was RAW only. I only charged the battery once, back on Tuesday (Nov 2) when I received the camera.

No flash was used.

Seems generally promising and for a few hours at a time I suspect will not be a problem. But if you have a vehicle I would suggest bringing a power inverter along too, that way you could charge while moving from one location to another (if absolutely necessary)

I plan to shoot this camera at -30C / -22F this winter, so I am torn about what to do for spare batteries (or get the grip) the same reasons you mention above.

Edited to add: Hope your camera comes by Friday. I would love to get down to Bosque some year! In October I went to Last Mountain Lake, Saskatchewan (sort of a northern Bosque del Apache) and me and my buddy were instantly hooked. I have a couple thousand Sandhill Crane and Snow Goose yet to process.

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#11. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Santa Fe, US
          

Thanks again Steve ... if my camera does show up in time, I think I'll try it as my primary just to test drive it, unless it is extraordinarily cold. Battery usage sounds fairly decent, as I imagine the video shots take a bunch of juice.

Your mention of a couple of thousand Sandhill Crane & Snow Goose photos left to process reminds me that if I wind up missing a couple of shots because of low battery,its not the end of the world! I just started looking at last year's shots a couple of weeks ago ...!

Anyway, I'll be back down at the Bosque for 9 days the end of the month/first week of December, so I'll have plenty of time to put it through its paces, just in case it doesn't arrive by Friday. Those cranes are certainly addictive!

Good suggestion about the inverter ... I do have one, but the loop at the Bosque isn't quite long enough to re-charge a battery.

Hope you can make it down some time.

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#12. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Swisher, US
          

As for battery performance, I'm very impressed thus far. From my initial charge, I've gone through all the menus and setups, etc. and have shot over 900 frames. The battery meter still shows 51% remaining.

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#9. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Bay Area, US
          

Thanks for sharing this, Steve! If indeed the AF performs on a similar (let alone better) level as the D300, it would be very good news. In that case, I would guess that Nikon will have something even better in store for next year's models. But keep us posted how it works out for your BIF shooting.

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#10. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Goa, IN
          

Steve, nice shots. I am also interested in how the AF works on smaller bif close. I shot a lot of 'quickdraw' birds at reasonably close range. Many thank for posting these.
Cheers,
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#13. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Alberta, CA
          

I have now shot some closer in BIF targets and results were overall good I thought. I do not feel like the D7000 is more sluggish or less accurate than my D300, so I am continuing to be pleasantly surprised. AF did miss moreso than previous outing where BIF were further away but when it missed it was more to do with me than the camera - I am talking extremely close BIF with my 70-200. I should have AF fine-tuned my 70-200 as it back-focusses a little on all my cameras, more chores to do.

D7000 continues to impress. I have had to up my game on sharpening though to avoid introducing noise into the background. Coincidentally I just bought Jason Odell's Capture NX Sharpening video and that is helping. One can never learn too much about this topic I think.

I do notice the fewer 35 vs. 51 AF points, for when birds are on the ground I move the AF point around a lot. I also seem to underexpose this camera a lot so still working on that. The zoomed histogram is going to be a very useful feature (histogram changes as you zoom in).

I hate the absence of the one-button zoom-in to check sharpness

EXIF are intact - these images are uncropped except the second one where I removed extra blank space at frame bottom.



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#14. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Bay Area, US
          

Great shots!!

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#16. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Mon 15-Nov-10 08:48 PM by JohnE Nikon

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Steve,
Great shots.
I have been reading much online regarding AF and comparing the D300/300s and D700. The consensus I gathered was that the D300s is better. From your images and words it does not sound too much better. Some of the other pro features of the D300 are less important to me.

I am happy to hear that not everyone agrees with the eagle shooter. I have been considering upgrading my D5000 and have been trying to decide between waiting for the D400 or getting a D7000 now. This weekend I was in B&H in Manhattan and shot with the 300s and 7000 for at least 100 shots (maybe 200, They were machine gun fast so it was easy to do).
While the higher frames/sec on the D300s was noticeable to me, I was having a hard time deciding which acquired focus faster which for me is more important. The D7000 also seemed much quieter. After reading your post I finally decided to order the D7000. Thank you.

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#17. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Mon 15-Nov-10 11:57 PM by JPJ

Toronto, CA
          

>I am happy to hear that not everyone agrees with the eagle
>shooter. I have been considering upgrading my D5000 and have
>been trying to decide between waiting for the D400 or getting
>a D7000 now. This weekend I was in B&H in Manhattan and
>shot with the 300s and 7000 for at least 100 shots (maybe 200,
>They were machine gun fast so it was easy to do).
>While the higher frames/sec on the D300s was noticeable to
>me, I was having a hard time deciding which acquired focus
>faster which for me is more important. The D7000 also seemed
>much quieter. After reading your post I finally decided to
>order the D7000. Thank you.

What settings were you shooting at? The D7000 shoots 14 bit raw at 6 fps, the D300s shoots 14 bit raw at 2.5 fps. The D300s can still outshoot the D7000 if you shoot 12 bit RAW or JPEGs (7 fps, 8 fps with grip).

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#18. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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New HArtford, US
          

I assume this question was for Steve. I assume that the camera's in the store were set at jpeg, sorry I am not sure. I would encourage anyone considering a camera purchase to go to store where they can actually shoot it. The D300S shot more frames per second so I assume this was shooting in 12 bit ? jpeg.

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#20. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Brookfield, US
          

Thanks so much for the early reports. To my untrained eye, it looks over-exposed. I know the light was difficult but does that seem to be the case with the D7000? Thanks for any reply...btw...it won't matter since I ordered mine yesterday.

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#21. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Alberta, CA
          

IIRC I jumped these up in post, increasing exposure, and particularly when I applied an s-curve and completed sharpening the whites got a little hotter. And yes shooting white birds in any light is a major challenge

In camera (and straight out of camera) these were a little on the dark side. I was shooting in manual and used the histogram to set the original exposure. Light was changing a little up and down due to the partial cloud cover.

So I haven't detected any tendency of the camera to overexpose.

Some folk have observed a greater weighting of the selected focus point in the matrix algorithm in this camera as opposed to other Nikons. That could be true, but I haven't shot enough with the D7000 to confirm that. It may be something to keep an eye on if you use matrix metering as do I.

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#26. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Brookfield, US
          

Thanks so much for sharing. The bad news is, I really feel like upgrading now from a D300. Oh well, can't take it with you!

Beautiful shots....thanks again.

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#15. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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Toronto, CA
          

A few words on this subject from a pro in the field:

http://wildlifeacrossthewater.blogspot.com/2010/11/nikon-d7000-af-impressions.html

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#19. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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I have shot a lot of BIF with my D300 it has a sick AF system and needs to go back for repair. It was always reliable on tracking birds. The D7000 is right up there with the D300 for BIFs IMHO. I also thinks it does a better job of metering exposure. I was out shooting Tundra Swans this morning and was really impressed with the AF tracking. I am waiting on the Pintails to show in good numbers to really give it a good test when they are working the ponds in groups. They move a bit faster than Swans

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sat 20-Nov-10 05:07 PM
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#23. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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You may like to take a look at a thread I started after buying a D7000. It regards my disappointment on finding I had trouble the first time I used it for BIF. It's a new thread and there's lots of good replies. It's about a focusing problem. Have a look.

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lifewings Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Jun 2008Sat 20-Nov-10 09:00 PM
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#24. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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I got back from a quick foray to the Bosque to shoot BIF ... in the field I was impressed with how quickly the D7K seemed to grab focus, but slightly disappointed in the results once I returned home.

I am wondering about settings ... do folks have their camera set to focus or release? Usually with my D300 I have been using release, but not sure if that works best with this camera, especially with BIF.

Also ... in reading the manual, I am now experimenting with setting the exposure delay (d-11) to on, as the shutter-release is so quick to fire, I am wondering if this will help give the VR a chance to kick in before firing. Some better results with my dog (!) ... but I'm wondering what others have found, as I will be headed back down to the Bosque for a longer shoot, and would prefer to use the D7K with my 500mm lens instead of my tried & true D300.

EDIT: Just tried it ... the delay is way too large; too bad it is not adjustable.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sun 21-Nov-10 12:12 PM
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#25. "RE: D7000 for Birds in flight"
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You may be interested in my posting regarding the D7000 auto focus tuning see: http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=329&topic_id=2079&mesg_id=2079&page=

I was extremely disappointed when I looked at my first BIF images. Rather than go into details here, have a look at my post. I resolved it in the end through the AF fine tune options.

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