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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Sat 12-Nov-11 08:38 AM
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I'm using the Nikon 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6 lens, less filter, with my D7000. This particular cropped example was shot in Manual mode at F7.1 1/8000 ISO 800, I used a tripod with the VR off, ML-L3 remote control with mirror up. Picture control was in Vivid with the sharpness and contrast bumped up. (I also shot this in Monochrome with red filter effect with no visible difference) Am I missing something or is this the best I can get with this lens?



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hawaii502160 Registered since 11th Feb 2011Sat 12-Nov-11 10:33 AM
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Sat 12-Nov-11 10:34 AM by hawaii502160

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I took some shots of our full moon last month. I used both my 70-200mm VRII, and my 70-300mm VR lenses. I ended up shooting both wide open, and using spot metering, right off of the face of the moon. I thought my shots turned out pretty well. That being said, for a really detailed shot, you probably need a little longer reach than even your 300mm can offer.

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1/640, f/5.6, 300mm, ISO400, spot metering

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u280/1hawaii50/Moon%20Pics/_DSC3337.jpg

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1/640, f/5.6, 300mm, ISO400, spot metering

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u280/1hawaii50/Moon%20Pics/_DSC3336.jpg

Both of these shots were taken handheld, with my Nikon 70-300mm VR lens. Most of the photo was lost on the crop...as I said, a little longer reach is needed.

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Sat 12-Nov-11 11:43 AM
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Nice shot Don (and hand-held too). I can see the various crater depths on the edge of the moon.

I also used spot metering. Not sure that even bringing the ISO down further would make much of a difference.

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Gamecocks Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jul 2010Sat 12-Nov-11 11:49 AM
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Sat 12-Nov-11 11:53 AM by Gamecocks

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I used the 70-300 w/VR on for this shot; spot, 1/250 @f/10, vivid, sharpening 6 and contrast -1 & ISO 200. I darkened a little in PP. Imo, looks better zoomed in and the lens will produce a good IQ although not like the big boys.

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Sat 12-Nov-11 12:17 PM
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Thank you John for your specs and photo, nice shot BTW.

Hopefully we'll have clear skies this evening so I can try again. I'll go with an ISO 200 to start... Has anyone found a circular polarizing filter useful?

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elec164 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009Sat 12-Nov-11 11:59 AM
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As Don already mentioned, cropping and enlarging to gain reach is not a good substitute for focal length. And according to SLRgear’s blur charts at 300mm the 28-300 appears only marginally less sharp than the 70-300 VR.

Here is a test shot I used in another post quite some time ago.

D7000 with the 70-300VR on a tripod, ML-L3 remote in MUP mode at 300mm, f/5.6, 1/160 and ISO 100
100% crop



Your image I believe is a down sample which throws away resolution so its hard to say from that how much detail difference there is between Don and my shot at 300mm with the 70-300 is than yours with the 28-300. At 300mm you are only placing about 540 pixels on the diameter of the moon. So providing us with a 100% crop would allow us to better judge the amount of detail captured.

Having said that I would recommend that you not shoot the full moon at such a high ISO. The sun directly lights the full moon, so the exposure you use is not much different than taking a landscape shot on a sunny day. But instead of Sunny 16 to approximate the exposure you would use Luney 11.

Also by applying Luney 11 to your settings, it also appeared that you underexposed the image by 1.5 to 2 stops. That combined with the higher ISO allowed considerable amount of noise that robs you of detail.

At least those are my thoughts, hope it helps.

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Sat 12-Nov-11 12:50 PM
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Thank you Peter for your advice and photo.

The photo I submitted was cropped in camera (trim in retouch) with no other modifications. I have PS8 but don't use it. Not sure what you mean by 'down sample'. Are you referring to it being underexposed? Thanks again.

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pdekman Gold Member Winner in The Nikonians 10th Anniversary Photo Contest Awarded as a regular contributor who offers in-depth knowledge to members who are interested in building efficient work flows. Nikonian since 17th Nov 2005Sat 12-Nov-11 01:11 PM
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The moon can be a surprisingly difficult target, and more reach is really needed for better detail. Using a good mount with Mup and keeping a reasonable shutter speed are the next keys. I'm estimating anything faster than 1/60sec should be fine given the moon's movement. A lower ISO and higher exposure might help here, but not a great deal.

Here's a recent shot I took through a 90mm APO refractor with my D7000. I don't recall which teleconvertor I used, but focal length would be either 700mm or 1000mm, ISO 400, 1/80sec.



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ChrisPlatt Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Jun 2011Sat 12-Nov-11 01:38 PM
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That's a great shot and it illustrates the difference between shooting a full moon and a partial moon. With a partial moon, you will see much more crater relief as a result of the shadows. Full moons tend to show crater relief only on the extreme margins of the moon.

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Sat 12-Nov-11 02:38 PM
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Beautiful shot Paul. This is what I want...

Though my husband and I are not quite there yet. He plays around with an Orion SkyQuest XT10 Dobsonian Telescope for now, and we still have one more to get through college. :/

Anyway, sometime during our retirement we'll get the right equipment together and produce some awesome photos. Thanks for your reply.

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pdekman Gold Member Winner in The Nikonians 10th Anniversary Photo Contest Awarded as a regular contributor who offers in-depth knowledge to members who are interested in building efficient work flows. Nikonian since 17th Nov 2005Sat 12-Nov-11 03:06 PM
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I'm sure you'll get there quick. Astrophotography is a curiosity that I'm actually trying to supress given the amount of time and equipment involved. For now, just getting my camera gear to interesting terrestial sites is enough.

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Gamecocks Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jul 2010Sat 12-Nov-11 02:50 PM
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Hi Paul,

Great view - smooth and crystal clear. Did you do much PP?

John

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pdekman Gold Member Winner in The Nikonians 10th Anniversary Photo Contest Awarded as a regular contributor who offers in-depth knowledge to members who are interested in building efficient work flows. Nikonian since 17th Nov 2005Sat 12-Nov-11 03:26 PM
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John -

Thanks for the comment. I did not do much to the file, no image stacking or significant NR, etc.

This particular file was submitted for the September online assignment (contrast) so I did take it through Topaz Adjust to ensure good detail and contrast, but nothing further. The original NEF in Lightroom shows +0.3 exposure, Adobe Standard profile, brightness and contrast turned down a bit, and clarity set to +15. It is nearly identical to the posted image.

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chriscavn82 Registered since 18th Oct 2011Wed 30-Nov-11 06:49 PM
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wow very nice, thank you for sharing it

  

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DeanAZ Moderator Expert nature photographer Nikonian since 28th Apr 2007Sat 12-Nov-11 01:38 PM
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Sat 12-Nov-11 01:42 PM by DeanAZ

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I believe you can do better with the 300mm lens. Here is a shot I took last month when it was not quite full.
-I used ISO 100 as I can see noise in your image from the 800 setting.
-I underexposed some to preserve the detail in the bright areas around fresh impacts.
-Shoot manual as the light conditions are not changing and its hard to get the moon under the spot sensor. You are going to crop anyway so don't worry about putting the moon dead center.
-Try some sharpening using the high pass filter.
-Use the Landscape picture control as it has a higher contrast than the vivid does. And the vivid will 'enhance' the chromatic aberrations (CA) as well.
-There really is no color to speak of except some red-browns from the light traveling through the atmosphere so desaturate to help minimize the CA
-Don't resize the image as it will obscure detail through the resampling process. You are working with a 100% image and can't afford to throw away any detail.
-Use a tripod and don't forget to turn VR off as I often forget to do.
-Don't wait until the full moon to shoot as the shadows in a partial moon can bring out details.


Here is my shot...

D7000 F/11 1/200s ISO 100 Nikkor 70-300

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Sat 12-Nov-11 02:30 PM
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Thank you Dean for your reply. I hadn't thought of using the Landscape picture control and your less than full moon image is beautiful.

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Mon 14-Nov-11 03:52 AM
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I took this shot this evening... f5.6, 1/640, and 200 ISO using Landscape picture control with bumped up sharping and contrast. Thank you everyone for all your great advice!


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Joanna, US
          

Very good, Jody. Nice to see the smiley face.

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Thu 17-Nov-11 08:13 AM
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Ok, this is roughly the same settings as before... Aperture priority, 1/100, F5.6, ISO 100 with WB set at Incandescent (tungsten) in Landscape picture control (sharp 9, cont +3, and sat -2)


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Joanna, US
          

Really "cool" shot. The craters and landscape pop with those settings. Good work!

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Sat 19-Nov-11 01:04 PM
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Thanks John. All things considered, I feel this is the best set-up for this lens and camera, and have noted the specs on the back of the photo. I'm happy with it.

When my husband retires, we'll reward ourselves with a kick-ass telescope and I'll look into an adapter for my camera body...

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Nice improvement, Jody!

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jodylud Registered since 07th Sep 2011Sun 20-Nov-11 01:14 PM
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Thank you Rocky. My next project is learning how to setup for and create a celestial time-lapsed video using the Interval Timer shooting setting in my D5100 (w/double battery grip). I'm running out of time here in northern Indiana with overcast evenings and the weather in general getting so cold. :/

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I know this is a little off topic but I can't find the thread I'm looking for...someone posted a photo of some star trails and I need to know what software I can use to stack images for making the final image. Any ideas folk? Thank you.

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You could do this with the Quicktime Pro version for about $30 US if I recall.

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Many thanks for the reply but anything other than Quicktime if possible. Quicktime does photostacks? Preferably freeware or an application I already have (CS5, Lightroom). Thanks again.

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I've used this freeware program for my star trails stacking

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Thank you.

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