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Vlad_IT Gold Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2011Fri 30-Sep-11 11:42 AM
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"Weather sealing"


New Tampa, US
          

Good morning all,

Numerous sources are pointing out that weather sealing on D7000. What does it mean for the average Joe? Can camera survive taking picture in falling snow or light rain? If yes, should I spring out for SB-900 to match weather sealing? And what about lenses?

Thanks in advance,
Vlad

  

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Fri 30-Sep-11 12:13 PM
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#1. "RE: Weather sealing"
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US
          

>Good morning all,
>
>Numerous sources are pointing out that weather sealing on
>D7000. What does it mean for the average Joe? Can camera
>survive taking picture in falling snow or light rain? If yes,
>should I spring out for SB-900 to match weather sealing? And
>what about lenses?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Vlad
>

Weather sealing sure isn't being water-proof. I'd feel confident in high humidity, misty, damp, or snowy conditions.

Rain consistently hitting the camera? Less confident. To me, that's pushing it. Though I tend to baby my gear.


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RRRoger Silver Member Charter MemberFri 30-Sep-11 01:41 PM
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Monterey Bay, US
          

I would be more concerned with lens choice.
Some of the ones with extended barrels also pump a lot of air, dust, and water.
I have stood out in pouring rain during a Motocross Scramble Event using the D2, D3 and 70-200 with no problems.
So far I have only been out in light rain with my D7000 & had no problems.

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Vlad_IT Gold Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2011Fri 30-Sep-11 03:12 PM
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#4. "RE: Weather sealing"
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New Tampa, US
          

>I would be more concerned with lens choice.
>Some of the ones with extended barrels also pump a lot of air,
>dust, and water.
>I have stood out in pouring rain during a Motocross Scramble
>Event using the D2, D3 and 70-200 with no problems.
>So far I have only been out in light rain with my D7000 &
>had no problems.


Thanks. I do not have lens collection yet, but i see your point. At the moment my next purchase is flash unit. I was settling on SB-700, but somehow i read about D7000 weatherproofing and SB-900 being weather sealed as well, so I’m kind of “tripped” on a way to buy sb-700 and trying to decide if buying SB-900 will make more sense.

by the end of 2012 I’m planning to have 70-200, and i have 35mm f/1.8G DX and I’m just about to get 16-85mm DX VR ED in the next month or so (after selling my used 18-200 VR). Besides 70-200 you mentioned, do any of above lenses will be able to stand drizzling/light rain?

  

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briantilley Moderator Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003Fri 30-Sep-11 03:22 PM
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#5. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Paignton, GB
          

I'm not sure the SB-900 is any more weather-proof than the SB-700 in any practical sense. I have both, and I would not want to use either without some type of cover in heavy rain.

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Fri 30-Sep-11 03:08 PM
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Fri 30-Sep-11 03:09 PM by agitater

Toronto, CA
          

Cameras made by Nikon are described variously as weather-sealed and weather resistant. To understand what that means, it's probably important to examine how the cameras are built to justify that sort of description.

Nikon uses a variety of edge gaskets (around compartments edges - battery, SD/CF card slot - or around the door that seals a compartment), complex compartment edge and door designs which are sometimes used to create a complicated path for moisture to travel, and a variety of different internal membranes which create a barrier between the external button you press and the actuating electrical contact or potentiometer.

The problem is, none of the gaskets, complex edge designs or barrier membranes are pressurized, glued or caulked in place, though some are fitted very tightly into mounting grooves. All of the weather resistance is based on how well the protective measures function under the normal sealing pressure exerted by a plastic spring door latch, the screw-assembled camera body keeping a membrane in place, friction fits and so on.

Effectively, the weather resistance of the D7000 is quite good for practical photography in mist, fog, very light rain (which is defined by meterologists as approximately 2.5 millimetres/0.098" per hour) and light snow. The best rule of thumb I've found - and the one that has never gotten me into repair trouble with any so-called weather resistant Nikon DSLR - is that if I can't walk in the light rain without feeling the need to break out my rain shell to remain comfortable, it's best to either properly protect the camera with a rain sleeve of its own or shoot from shelter or simply put the camera in the bag. Comfort in the rain, for me, means that my shirt/vest/jacket shoulders are getting wet because the rain or snow is falling hard enough to prevent evaporation from getting ahead of the precipitation that's landing on me.

That all goes for weather resistant Nikkor lenses too. I don't have technical specifications to back me up on this, but I nonetheless have always treated Nikkor lenses (including the 16-85 VRII which is almost always on my D7000) more sensitively than Nikon camera bodies (including my D7000) when out & about in any sort of weather. When my camera is out of the bag, I always carry it on my shoulder hanging from an UpStrap, with my right hand gripping one side of the strap mount and my wrist resting on top of the camera, lens pointed slightly downward. That walkabout position generally exposes the lens to only a bit less downward falling rain or snow than the camera body which is partly protected by my hand. When there's any sort of wind driving precipitation at my face and/or sideways at the camera/lens, the camera goes into the bag right away.

Basically, on any walkabout while I'm exploring any city, when it starts raining or snowing (despite the occasional great subject I find and shoot in either of those conditions), I start thinking coffee shop/Kindle/read/relax until the weather passes.

For my occasional excursions to places such as Algonquin Park in northern Ontario, conservation areas and other wilderness locations, I always have a set of protective rain gear for my photography equipment specifically so I can continue shooting during severe-ish weather.

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Vlad_IT Gold Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2011Fri 30-Sep-11 07:48 PM
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#6. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Fri 30-Sep-11 07:50 PM by Vlad_IT

New Tampa, US
          

Brian and Howard,

Thank you very much for your input.

regards,
Vlad

  

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blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004Sat 01-Oct-11 01:06 AM
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#7. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Richmond, US
          

Despite their advertising, Nikon does not think that any of their gear is weather sealed. (Except, perhaps, the old Nikonos.) Regardless of which model - and I mean the D3s/D3x here, to say nothing of a D7000 - if they get a camera with evidence of water inside, it's your fault and it's not under warranty. You can protest all you like about weather sealing, but it won't do you any good.

Having said that, I've used Nikons for almost 30 years now and only recently have I had any gear at all that claimed much in the way of gaskets. (In fact, I think I've got a total of one lens that has a gasket on the lens mount. That's out of something like 25 lenses. Yet I've had various lenses and cameras out in rain both light and torrential (obviously not intentionally), in snow, sand storms (in Beijing), smoky and dusty railroad terminals, etc. That includes "protected" pro gear and "non-protected" consumer gear (mostly), without serious consequences. Obviously I don't try to defy the odds, and these days I just use rain covers, in which case only a couple of drops get onto the gear anyway.

It is worth observing that lenses such as the 28-70/f2.8, 17-35/f2.8, 70-200/f2.8 AFS VR-I, 200/f4 Micro, 400/f2.8 AFS-II and 600/f4 AFS-II are "not" heavily weatherized, at least if you believe the marketing literature. Yet if they were so vulnerable, how did anyone shoot all those images in National Geographic, Sports Illustrated, etc? They weren't all Canon. (And Canon's not much better, if any.)

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TheDraftsman Registered since 20th Jan 2011Sun 02-Oct-11 10:47 PM
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#8. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Sun 02-Oct-11 10:51 PM by TheDraftsman

middlesex, US
          

My D7000 manual states (as far as operation parameters) " 85% humidity no condensation".

Not that weather resistant if you ask me. But I'm sure it can handle getting caught in
the rain once in a while.

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briantilley Moderator Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003Mon 03-Oct-11 08:34 AM
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#9. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Paignton, GB
          

>My D7000 manual states (as far as operation parameters)
>" 85% humidity no condensation".

To put that in context, the D3s manual specifies exactly the same parameter.

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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Mon 03-Oct-11 02:55 PM
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#10. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Mon 03-Oct-11 03:00 PM by billD80

US
          

>My D7000 manual states (as far as operation parameters)
>" 85% humidity no condensation".
>
>Not that weather resistant if you ask me. But I'm sure it can
>handle getting caught in
>the rain once in a while.

The D7000 can't compare with my Nikonos V at 90 feet under water, but it's a huge improvement over previous top gear I had, like the Olympus OM-1,2,& 4T.

I'd NEVER want a rain drop to hit my film cameras, and indeed, my OM-4T needed service after a hot/humid vacation in Mexico. On the other hand, my D7000 has behaved perfectly in conditions well outside Nikon's posted suggestion.

Weather-proof? No. Weather resistant? I really think so.


BTW, this post appeared 3 times... I couldn't delete, so I just edited left a . MODERATOR, PLEASE DELETE THE OTHERS. Sorry, don't know what happened.

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briantilley Moderator Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003Mon 03-Oct-11 03:34 PM
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#14. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Paignton, GB
          

>BTW, this post appeared 3 times... I couldn't delete, so I
>just edited left a . MODERATOR, PLEASE DELETE THE OTHERS.
>Sorry, don't know what happened.

Done! We get that type of glitch occasionally - nothing to worry about

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mikesrc Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd May 2009Tue 04-Oct-11 11:32 PM
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#15. "RE: Weather sealing"
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OKLAHOMA CITY, US
          

I've found my D7000 to be a dust magnet. Not so much on the sensor although I spent a lot of time cleaning the sensor last week as The mirror and focus screen. I'm talking lots of junk. IF anybody can shed some light on this it would be a great help!!!

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RRRoger Silver Member Charter MemberWed 05-Oct-11 12:12 AM
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#16. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

>I've found my D7000 to be a dust magnet. Not so much on the
>sensor although I spent a lot of time cleaning the sensor last
>week as The mirror and focus screen. I'm talking lots of junk.
>IF anybody can shed some light on this it would be a great
>help!!!
>
>Thanks Mike in OKC

You got to quit cleaning it with WD40 and use ArmorAll instead.
Just kidding!

I just dust mine off with a towel, and
if sending it to a place like El Segundo for service I use 91+ Isopropyl Alcohol.


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luckyphoto Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Dec 2010Wed 05-Oct-11 12:11 PM
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#17. "RE: Weather sealing"
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Port Charlotte, US
          

mikesrc - The technique you use for changing lenses and how often you change the lenses can have a big impact on sensor and mirror dust. It also has a lot to do with your locale, the amount of wind.

Here's one of many videos on properly changing a lens to minimize dust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we1d0fS9zVk&feature=related

You didn't mention if you have you have your camera set to clean the sensor upon shutdown and start up. That may also help.

I've had exactly the opposite issue. My sensor has stayed very clean over the year I've had the D7000.

Larry

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