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jules Basic MemberSat 17-Sep-11 05:12 PM
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"D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
Sat 17-Sep-11 05:52 PM by jules

GB
          

Only two weeks old, I had a Stained Sensor Pentax K5 but it looked nothing like this, this just looks like stubborn dust to me, the big spot at top right could be Pollen? A giotto's Rocket and several Cleaning Cycles haven't touched it? In the attached pic taken at F16, I've moved the sliders around in CS5 To make all the Dust? Stand out...
Two Questions Then:
Is it just dust or the infamous Grease?
What do you guys use to clean these newer Sensors?
Cheers jules...
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billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007Sat 17-Sep-11 10:19 PM
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#1. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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US
          

In the
>attached pic taken at F16, I've moved the sliders around in
>CS5 To make all the Dust Stand out...

I would only be concerned if you commonly shoot no-detail images, at f/16, and use CS5 to make the dust stand out.

Apart from that, this doesn't look like grease, which Pentax cameras did have an issue with.

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Sat 17-Sep-11 11:13 PM
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Toronto, CA
          

Faster lens changes always help to prevent dust build up. Lens changes in relatively less dusty environments help to prevent dust build up. Avoiding rapid zooming when using non-gasketed lenses also helps prevent dust build up. Wiping off the exterior of the lens and camera, especially around the mount area before a lens change can help prevent dust build up on the sensor filter surface. Before changing lenses, ensure that the rear lens element and the mount on the lens itself are clean in order to help prevent sensor filter dust. S'what I do and although some dust still inevitably finds its way onto my D7000, D700 and D3s sensor filters, it's generally minimal and easy to remove.

Your spots look like typical sensor dust to me.

Clean your sensor with an Arctic Butterfly. DO NOT ALLOW THE ARCTIC BUTTERFLY BRUSH TO TOUCH THE SIDES OF THE MIRROR BOX. EVER.

Works well. I recommend buying the Sensor Loupe from the Arctic Butterfly people as well because it really helps you to clearly see the state of the sensor filter surface.

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jules Basic MemberSun 18-Sep-11 07:22 AM
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#3. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Sun 18-Sep-11 09:04 AM by jules

GB
          

>Faster lens changes always help to prevent dust build up.
>Lens changes in relatively less dusty environments help to
>prevent dust build up. Avoiding rapid zooming when using
>non-gasketed lenses also helps prevent dust build up. Wiping
>off the exterior of the lens and camera, especially around the
>mount area before a lens change can help prevent dust build up
>on the sensor filter surface. Before changing lenses, ensure
>that the rear lens element and the mount on the lens itself
>are clean in order to help prevent sensor filter dust. S'what
>I do and although some dust still inevitably finds its way
>onto my D7000, D700 and D3s sensor filters, it's generally
>minimal and easy to remove.
>
>Your spots look like typical sensor dust to me.
>
>Clean your sensor with an Arctic Butterfly. DO NOT ALLOW THE
>ARCTIC BUTTERFLY BRUSH TO TOUCH THE SIDES OF THE MIRROR BOX.
>EVER.
>
>Works well. I recommend buying the Sensor Loupe from the
>Arctic Butterfly people as well because it really helps you to
>clearly see the state of the sensor filter surface.
>

Cheers for that! Got to admit with my Ham Fists I'm not the quickest Lens changer! I do all the wiping etc but have not because it's a new Camera but will start. Just wanted some reassurrance it was only dust, never had one look that bad before, and so didn't really know what I was looking at! (Even the K5 with Staining never looked that bad!) K5 staining followed a spatter pattern and the blobs were clear in the middle (And under the AA!) I Thought it was stubborn dust but as I've never seen the "Grease" problem before I thought I'd ask here first.
All other plans on hold and an Arctic Butterfly for me I think!
Is the SL 700 OK?

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Sun 18-Sep-11 01:46 PM
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Toronto, CA
          

Get the kit which includes the Sensor Loupe. The SL700 is the correct Arctic Butterfly for the APS-C sensor in the D7000.

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jules Basic MemberMon 19-Sep-11 06:09 AM
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>Get the kit which includes the Sensor Loupe. The SL700 is the
>correct Arctic Butterfly for the APS-C sensor in the D7000.

Been looking at the Kits and stock is sketchy here in the UK, may have to stump up for the 724 Superbrite on it's own as money is a real big issue at the moment.
("Big Issue!" I may end up selling it!)
I like the idea of the HD Brush if I ever decide I need it and the more powerful motor, thus more Static charge on the brush itself, I'd like the kit with the Wet clean gear but it's just way out of my price range at the moment...


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jamtins Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd May 2011Mon 19-Sep-11 12:29 AM
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#5. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Hi,
What a lot of marks! This is the scary part of our technology I think.
I am paranoid about dust, (death and taxes).
Our cameras spend two to three days most weeks in the field. I usually do a Mirrorup, Giottos rocket clean at the end of the week, (right about the time the harddrives get backup, (another thing I am paranoid about).

My reasoning is that the dust has to go somewhere on autoclean, and "out" doesn't seem to be an option.
About every month or so, I do the F22 test, and am aghast or amazed at what sometimes seems to appear.

Really bad ones I take to the tech. (another thing I am paranoid about)
I also use the Sensor Swab, wet brushes, and it does seem to remove the most stubborn dirt.
It is not something I am confident doing, but seems to work.
Recently tried their pre-moistened ones and they seem good, but expensive.

Lots of my work is done at wide apertures, so it hides the dirt a bit. However, like you there is always a couple of stubborn spots that seem to pop up from time to time.

Hope you can get it cleaned successfully

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jules Basic MemberMon 19-Sep-11 06:02 AM
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#6. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

>Hi,
>What a lot of marks! This is the scary part of our technology
>I think.
>I am paranoid about dust, (death and taxes).
>Our cameras spend two to three days most weeks in the field.
>I usually do a Mirrorup, Giottos rocket clean at the end of
>the week, (right about the time the harddrives get backup,
>(another thing I am paranoid about).
>
>My reasoning is that the dust has to go somewhere on
>autoclean, and "out" doesn't seem to be an option.
>About every month or so, I do the F22 test, and am aghast or
>amazed at what sometimes seems to appear.
>
>Really bad ones I take to the tech. (another thing I am
>paranoid about)
>I also use the Sensor Swab, wet brushes, and it does seem to
>remove the most stubborn dirt.
>It is not something I am confident doing, but seems to work.
>Recently tried their pre-moistened ones and they seem good,
>but expensive.
>
>Lots of my work is done at wide apertures, so it hides the
>dirt a bit. However, like you there is always a couple of
>stubborn spots that seem to pop up from time to time.
>
>Hope you can get it cleaned successfully
>
>(help, help, the paranoids are after me!)
>
>DJ
>
>

Lovin the Humour here!
I'm quite OCD when it comes to Sensor dirt too but since I had the ones with the Tin Oxide coating (Self Cleaners) I've never had to clean one! Which is why I was a little bit aghast when I checked mine! If I'd known it was like that on day one I'd have sent it back!!!

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elec164 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009Mon 19-Sep-11 12:45 PM
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US
          

>the Tin Oxide coating (Self Cleaners) I've never
>had to clean one! Which is why I was a little bit aghast when
>I checked mine! If I'd known it was like that on day one I'd
>have sent it back!!!
>

I know what you mean; in three years of using my D80 I never once felt the need to do a cleaning. Yeah it had some dust, but nothing bothersome.

But after 6 months and some 2000 clicks with the D7000, I took a close-up shot at moderate aperture and was aghast at the grunge I saw in the out of focus background. I posted about it in a similar thread someone started back in June here. And about a month after my cleaning, a few more spots showed up along the right hand edge of images once more. I donít really do a lot of lens changes, and when I do I try and do it as suggested (and no different than with my D80).

And while the spots in your and my test shots do not look exactly like the one provided in this test shot in the D700 forum, I canít help but wonder if some D7000 are having somewhat of a lubricant spray issue.

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#9. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Mon 19-Sep-11 04:43 PM by jules

GB
          

>>the Tin Oxide coating (Self Cleaners) I've never
>>had to clean one! Which is why I was a little bit aghast
>when
>>I checked mine! If I'd known it was like that on day one
>I'd
>>have sent it back!!!
>>
>
>I know what you mean; in three years of using my D80 I never
>once felt the need to do a cleaning. Yeah it had some dust,
>but nothing bothersome.
>
>But after 6 months and some 2000 clicks with the D7000, I took
>a close-up shot at moderate aperture and was aghast at the
>grunge I saw in the out of focus background. I posted about it
>in a similar thread someone started back in June
>here.
>And about a month after my cleaning, a few more spots showed
>up along the right hand edge of images once more. I donít
>really do a lot of lens changes, and when I do I try and do it
>as suggested (and no different than with my D80).
>
>And while the spots in your and my test shots do not look
>exactly like the one provided in this
in the D700 forum, I canít help but wonder if some D7000
are having somewhat of a lubricant spray issue.




Nikon Tech are telling me it's dust, I've purchased the Arctic Butterfly 724 Superbrite, which will arrive on Thursday and I'll give that a blast before I go any further with Nikon Service on this.

The Spots shown on the D700 Forum Pic are grease and they look very like the Staining from my K5 which was under the AA and incurable without a new Sensor/Camera! Obviously these (D700 forum Pic) are cleanable and above the filter thank goodness, it does appear there is a spray issue with a few examples of the D7000...

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elec164 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009Mon 19-Sep-11 01:16 PM
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#10. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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US
          

>Nikon Tech are telling me it's dust, I've purchased the Arctic
>Butterfly 724 Superbrite, which will arrive on Thursday and
>I'll give that a blast before I go any further with Nikon
>Service on this.
>

Let us know how the Arctic Butterfly works out for you.

Iím not surprised the Nikon techs say its dust, but I just find it peculiar that the spots seem to get concentrated on the right side in my, as well as someone else sensor in that thread I linked to.

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#11. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

>>Nikon Tech are telling me it's dust, I've purchased the
>Arctic
>>Butterfly 724 Superbrite, which will arrive on Thursday
>and
>>I'll give that a blast before I go any further with Nikon
>>Service on this.
>>
>
>Let us know how the Arctic Butterfly works out for you.
>
>Iím not surprised the Nikon techs say its dust, but I just
>find it peculiar that the spots seem to get concentrated on
>the right side in my, as well as someone else sensor in that
>thread I linked to.
>
>Pete
>

Yes that would seem to indicate some kind of Spatter pattern! Getting a little CSI Here now!
Mine appears more random, and I'll let you know how the Butterfly does though I'll be mad as a box of frogs with Nikon UK if it turns out to be grease and it contaminates my new Butterfly!
Cheers jules...
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#12. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Toronto, CA
          

Follow the cleaning instructions included with the AB if it picks up any residue on the side of the mirror box or if it becomes contaminated by finger oils or anything else.

The D7000 has been on the market for over a year - there is no oil or lubricant spatter problem with the camera. If there was some sort of consistent problem of that kind we'd have all heard about it on Nikonians long before now. I'd say stop worrying.

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#13. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

>Follow the cleaning instructions included with the AB if it
>picks up any residue on the side of the mirror box or if it
>becomes contaminated by finger oils or anything else.
>
>The D7000 has been on the market for over a year - there is no
>oil or lubricant spatter problem with the camera. If there was
>some sort of consistent problem of that kind we'd have all
>heard about it on Nikonians long before now. I'd say stop
>worrying.
>

Oh I'm not worrying Just Venting in Type!
but your right, there will be a few "rogue" examples of any Body out there I'm sure...

Cheers jules...
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jules Basic MemberTue 20-Sep-11 03:25 PM
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#14. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

Well SRS Got it here two days early!
Bad news is that it's the 724 Brite and not the SuperBrite, Not that that really matters...
Hey ho another tenner off!
Be aware if your lurking to buy one off them the Website is wrong but is now being corrected...
IT DOESN'T COME WITH BATTERIES!
2XAAA Off to the Shops now!!!

Cheers jules...
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#15. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

Works! Had to have 6 or 7 goes because the large spot in the original pic smeared, so it could have been Grease, or anything really but it's all pretty much gone now!

Cheers jules...
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#17. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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US
          

Thanks for the update, and glad it worked out for you.

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#16. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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US
          

>The D7000 has been on the market for over a year - there is no
>oil or lubricant spatter problem with the camera. If there was
>some sort of consistent problem of that kind we'd have all
>heard about it on Nikonians long before now. I'd say stop
>worrying.
>

Firstly, I did not say the problem affected all, most or was systemic. I said some of us are experiencing this issue. And if taking the comments by others experiencing this when doing a web search, it seems to be an issue with a limited number of first production runs which seems to now have been addressed and is no longer being experienced.

Secondly, it certainly has been discussed before (one of which is the link I provided) and is not solely a D7000 issue for you will see discussions about this with the D300, D700 and D3 (and possibly others).

As I said I experienced reoccurring spots on the right edge (which seems to be what everyone with the lubricant issue is experiencing) shortly after doing a cleaning.

Here is a test image I just shot which is a JPEG straight from the camera.




Here is a 100% crop from the bottom right corner.




The spots are pretty much perfectly round and have what appears to be Newton Rings which would be indicative I believe of a viscous fluid drop on glass.

And Iím not worried about it, itís just getting annoying. I realize with the passage of time the issue will begin to abate, and I anxiously await the day.

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nike60 Registered since 21st Sep 2011Sun 25-Sep-11 11:47 PM
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#18. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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CA
          

I had oil on my D7000 sensor and Nikon gave me the bill for cleaning the sensor $ 187.50. It`s only 5 months old. Nice people.
They may be using me as an example, as I purchased camera online as new, but not authorized by Nikon and they claim the warranty is not transferable, which may be the case. But I have a Canadian warranty card with the serial number on it and a bill of sale, not good enough for them. I have paid for there mistakes (oil on sensor) I will strive to get all my money back, even if it takes years.
Seems to me that cleaning is expensive (highway robbery) is my term for this. Not good people to deal with either. Not impressed.

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Mon 26-Sep-11 12:02 AM
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#19. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Toronto, CA
          

So which site sold you the camera?

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nike60 Registered since 21st Sep 2011Wed 28-Sep-11 08:56 PM
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#26. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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CA
          

The name of the seller is " Ellisar " and they are located in Alberta, Canada. He is selling a camera now ( 5D 11 w/ lense) as new.
Also it says at the bottom One Year warranty.

Yes I have contacted him, with no reply. Don't know what E-Bay would have to say about this warranty thing, unless Canon is different. I thought my camera had a two year warranty as per what I can remember about the listing.

  

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Thu 29-Sep-11 03:50 AM
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#29. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Toronto, CA
          

> The name of the seller is " Ellisar " and they are
>located in Alberta, Canada. He is selling a camera now ( 5D 11
>w/ lense) as new.
> Also it says at the bottom One Year warranty.
>
> Yes I have contacted him, with no reply. Don't know what
>E-Bay would have to say about this warranty thing, unless
>Canon is different. I thought my camera had a two year
>warranty as per what I can remember about the listing.

Whatever . . . don't believe everything you read on eBay. The name "Ellisar" is taken from the character Lord Ellisar from Robert Jordan's Epic Fantasy Series. I would assume the camera warranty is just as much fantasy as the seller's name. Ellisar doesn't seem to be a dealer, and if the seller doesn't respond to questions avoid the seller altogether.

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#30. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Brownstown Twp, US
          

I have a D7000 that I got in the spring of this year. I have had my sensor cleaned 3 times now. Each time it was particles I could not dislodge with a rocket blower.

I have wondered about my camera being the reason for the spots. Oil/Grease etc.

The one time what ever was on it did in fact smear. So in to the Nikon Repair shop - which charges 50.00 every time they clean it. It is spotless when they are done.

But I have never had this issue with my D300s, D90 or D80.

For what ever the reason, my D7000 sensor gets dirty more than it should.

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#20. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Mon 26-Sep-11 05:52 AM by jules

GB
          

> I had oil on my D7000 sensor and Nikon gave me the bill for
>cleaning the sensor $ 187.50. It`s only 5 months old. Nice
>people.
> They may be using me as an example, as I purchased camera
>online as new, but not authorized by Nikon and they claim the
>warranty is not transferable, which may be the case. But I
>have a Canadian warranty card with the serial number on it and
>a bill of sale, not good enough for them. I have paid for
>there mistakes (oil on sensor) I will strive to get all my
>money back, even if it takes years.
> Seems to me that cleaning is expensive (highway robbery) is
>my term for this. Not good people to deal with either. Not
>impressed.
>
> Thanks, Brian
>

Thats a bit if a sucky attitude from Nikon but I suppose that would mean admitting there was a problem! You may be on Dodgy ground with Nikon if the Website doesn't have a physical address in the country you tried to get it serviced in, Some don't have an address at all!
I've had this from them before, and despite the fact the last time I left Nikon for financial reasons I was glad to! Thats another story however.

Do Nikon therefore do the same as Canon? (Must admit I haven't checked their warranty in years!) IE: Only the Pro kit is covered by the full international Warranty? If thats the case it'll change my buying strategy somewhat! Things can and do go wrong...
Or is it still the old buy it in "INSERT NAME OF COUNTRY/REGION" have it serviced in "INSERT NAME OF COUNTRY/REGION" Or no can do?
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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Mon 26-Sep-11 01:59 PM
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#21. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Mon 26-Sep-11 02:09 PM by agitater

Toronto, CA
          

>Do Nikon therefore do the same as Canon? (Must admit I haven't
>checked their warranty in years!) IE: Only the Pro kit is
>covered by the full international Warranty? If thats the case
>it'll change my buying strategy somewhat! Things can and do go
>wrong...
>Or is it still the old buy it in "INSERT NAME OF
>COUNTRY/REGION" have it serviced in "INSERT NAME OF
>COUNTRY/REGION" Or no can do?

Grey market is grey market I think. If you purchase something online which (as the OP indicated) is clearly considered grey market where you live, Nikon won't service it directly in the event of otherwise warrantable problems. You'll have to pay a third-party Nikon service outlet to deal with the matter. If the poster's D7000 was grey market as he seems to be implying, I'm surprised Nikon touched it at all.

You can, however, purchase a domestic Nikon product very far away from home (while traveling for instance) from an authorized Nikon dealer wherever you happen to be and then have that product serviced free of charge under warranty when you get back to your home country. That falls under Nikon's international warranty.

Example - I live in Toronto, Canada. When traveling in Europe during Spring 2010, I picked up a new (non-grey market) P7000 from The Digital Centre on Tottenham Court Road. Digital Centre is an authorized Nikon dealer. A month or so after I returned home with the P7000, it developed a problem related to the on/off button. Nikon Canada (in Mississauga, Ontario just west of Toronto), fixed it under the international warranty and no questions asked of course.

Example - While traveling in New York city a couple of years ago, a friend purchased a stated grey market D300 from B&H Photo. B&H also sold him a third-party warranty. The friend lives in Toronto. After a year or so, he experience a problem with the D300 - a balky autofocus mechanism. Unfortunately, the third-party warranty was not usable in Canada because it was offered by a primarily U.S.-based service network. Nikon Canada refused to touch the camera too. So the friend was left to deal with a third-party authorized Nikon service outlet (at a cost of about $375) to have the problem repaired.

If he lived in the U.S. the friend would have been able to obtain service under the third-party warranty - B&H doesn't dupe people, but there are still limits to what it can offer. I'm not sure why the friend purchased the third-party warranty, and he was clear about the fact that it was a U.S.-based deal, so there was no misunderstanding.

Grey market purchases, in my opinion, are a demonstrably false economy. I've never had a camera with oil spots on the sensor - spit, and drops of who-knows-what, yes - but not factory oil/lubricant. Tenacious stuff of that sort on the sensor filter of a relatively new camera is irritating in the extreme and I agree that photographers should not be left to deal with the problem whether it's endemic to a particular camera model or not. I think that's another good reason for purchasing an authorized camera model from an authorized dealer. Nikon will perform service in that situation.

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#22. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Ahh now I get it, So the moral is buy from an Authorised Dealer...
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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Mon 26-Sep-11 05:31 PM
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#23. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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>Ahh now I get it, So the moral is buy from an Authorised
>Dealer...

Yes I think so. But we should be careful because authorized dealers such as B&H and many others also sell grey market products from time to time. B&H clearly describes such products as grey market, but I think that such a description occasionally goes unnoticed by propsective customers. I think we should also check with our nearest Nikon service centre before making an online purchase from a non-domestic authorized dealer in order to ensure that the international warranty will be honoured. I'm hijacking this thread though, so I'll stop now.

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jules Basic MemberMon 26-Sep-11 07:04 PM
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#24. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

>>Ahh now I get it, So the moral is buy from an Authorised
>>Dealer...
>
>Yes I think so. But we should be careful because authorized
>dealers such as B&H and many others also sell grey market
>products from time to time. B&H clearly describes such
>products as grey market, but I think that such a description
>occasionally goes unnoticed by propsective customers. I think
>we should also check with our nearest Nikon service centre
>before making an online purchase from a non-domestic
>authorized dealer in order to ensure that the international
>warranty will be honoured. I'm hijacking this thread though,
>so I'll stop now.
>

Thats ok,
It may help potential purchasers here into not buying into Older stocks of electronics that are Friday night specials etc if such thngs still exist!
Buying grey is erm a Grey area and really you don't know how old it is where it's been stored etc? I guess it could pertain to D7000's if there was ever a dodgy batch that we didn't know about? Grey importers may still have em out there, so it's not that off topic I don't think...
Anyway my Sensor seems fine now I just hope everyone elses gets sorted too...

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#25. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Toronto, CA
          


>Thats ok,
>It may help potential purchasers here into not buying into
>Older stocks of electronics that are Friday night specials etc
>if such thngs still exist!
>Buying grey is erm a Grey area and really you don't know how
>old it is where it's been stored etc? I guess it could pertain
>to D7000's if there was ever a dodgy batch that we didn't know
>about?

Interesting comment. Grey market usually refers to perfectly good, new-in-the-box product that is being sold into a region by a dealer who is not authorized to do so. Some of that product has to be new-old-stock that simply wasn't selling in some other region- I never thought about it that way before. Anyway, it's my understanding that because grey market online dealers have the potential reduce the amount of business legimitately accessible to dealers authorized to purchase inventory and do business in a particular region, there is no warranty to which the purchaser of the grey market product is entitled. In the case of B&H Photo, surely a well-known authorized dealer that also sells grey market products from time to time, its core business is not grey market products and it also has the buying power to make deals with middlers in non-U.S. regions from whom it obtains unauthorized inventory. Because B&H Photo (and other good dealers) are so clearly up front about the nature of a lower priced but grey market product, companies such as Nikon and Canon turn a blind eye to the practice. I don't like the practice in any case.

>Anyway my Sensor seems fine now I just hope everyone elses
>gets sorted too...

A clean sensor is a happy sensor!

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#27. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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US
          

Interesting. My D7k sensor was grungy from the first day I opened the box. Maybe Nikon doesn't use a clean room for assembly.

I got nowhere with the rocket blower, but had success with the heavier of th 2 arctic butterfly brushes. It took three attempts with the brushes to finally get it clean.

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#28. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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CA
          

Now I'm afraid to use my camera, much. According to other sites the oil just comes back after about 200-300 shots.
Perhaps after the $187.50 bill I got, they tore it all apart and fixed it like they should have ? Here's hoping that is the case.
It's a nice camera.

  

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#31. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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OKLAHOMA CITY, US
          

I've gone through many Nikon's never had to clean a sensor until I got the D7K. Mines 90 days old and it was nasty. I made my own gleaning rig and got it spotless took an hour or so. This past week end was out on a shoot and noticed a lot of grung on the focus mirror or screen be damned there is a spot on the sensor also. Not in a place that I'm going to worry about YET. I'll check in a week or so after I return from a trip. I guess we just need to learn how to clean these things.

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#32. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

>I've gone through many Nikon's never had to clean a sensor
>until I got the D7K. Mines 90 days old and it was nasty. I
>made my own gleaning rig and got it spotless took an hour or
>so. This past week end was out on a shoot and noticed a lot of
>grung on the focus mirror or screen be damned there is a spot
>on the sensor also. Not in a place that I'm going to worry
>about YET. I'll check in a week or so after I return from a
>trip. I guess we just need to learn how to clean these things.
>

You're right there Mike!
I've just had to clean mine again, Some of it smeary grease AGAIN!
I've been out three times with the Camera but it's Autumn in the North of England and the Wind Doth Blow

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#33. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Brownstown Twp, US
          

>>I've gone through many Nikon's never had to clean a
>sensor
>>until I got the D7K. Mines 90 days old and it was nasty.
>I
>>made my own gleaning rig and got it spotless took an hour
>or
>>so. This past week end was out on a shoot and noticed a
>lot of
>>grung on the focus mirror or screen be damned there is a
>spot
>>on the sensor also. Not in a place that I'm going to
>worry
>>about YET. I'll check in a week or so after I return from
>a
>>trip. I guess we just need to learn how to clean these
>things.
>>
>
>You're right there Mike!
>I've just had to clean mine again, Some of it smeary grease
>AGAIN!
>I've been out three times with the Camera but it's Autumn in
>the North of England and the Wind Doth Blow
>
>Cheers jules...
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>www.exaggeratedperspectives.co.uk


I would expect the dust more in those conditions. But not the sticky grease or oil residue that is stubborn to get off. I never kept my test shots against white background to identify if the sensor is dirty. So I wonder if it is oil/grease from the camera, and IF there is a pattern to where they always end up.

Too many people either have the issue or don't realize it with the D7K for it to be coincidence. I am a dust snob and always check my cameras. What ever it is, repeatedly is stickier than dust. This is a repeated issue with my D7K - which is a PITA, especially since it has become my primary camera for sports and wildlife.

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#34. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Mississauga, CA
          

I have had the same dirty sensor issue with my D7000. At first I thought it was condensation and took the body to a technician for cleaning. He said that The spotting on the sensor was far worse than condensation and had cleaned the entire inside of the body three times. Two weeks later the problem was back.

The first time I experienced the problem was when I took my camera outside in the winter about a month after I bought it. This makes me think Nikon has used some sort of lubricant that is not stable across a broad enough range of temperatures, and the result is spots on the sensor.

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#35. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Sun 16-Oct-11 09:13 PM by jules

GB
          

Been out in the Lake District three times in the last two weeks with the D7000 and each time I come back I have to clean the Sensor. last two Times I only used the one Lens so no Lens changesin between just to see if it could be that but nope, mucky everytime! Some kind of smeary grease each time, I guess it will lessen over time, I am bit annoyed however because if I send it in to be cleaned it'll just do it again, so I'll have to put up with it until it starts behaving. Added to which it's my only body and I cannot spare it at this time of year. I've given Nikon UK a good Earbashing which made me feel a bit guilty because it's likely not their fault...
Doesn't however stop me having a good whinge here about it though
P.S. When ya get all the #### off it, it takes good Pics even thru the smoggy mist which abounded yesterday... And no not HDR...
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#36. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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OKLAHOMA CITY, US
          

When I cleaned my sensor I had to do several times. Seems like there was a bunch of #### on the mirror and every time I checked it the grunge was back. ended up using a compressor to blow out the body, then wiping the sensor off.Before leaving on this trip.I had one small dust speck that was not a concern. Now after running around Cabo San Lucas for a week we will see what it looks like when I get back to the States

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#37. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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OKLAHOMA CITY, US
          

When I cleaned my sensor I had to do several times. Seems like there was a bunch of #### on the mirror and every time I checked it the grunge was back. ended up using a compressor to blow out the body, then wiping the sensor off.Before leaving on this trip.I had one small dust speck that was not a concern. Now after running around Cabo San Lucas for a week we will see what it looks like when I get back to the States

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#38. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

I do hope it stays clean for you Mike, I've already cleaned this one DSLR More times than the other ten(D70/D80x2/D100/D200/D300/D300s/D700/D2x/D3) I have owned combined!
If the D400 plays these tricks then I'm afraid I'm out again...

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#39. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Maidenhead, GB
          

I've been reading with interest some of the discussions around the D7000 sensor.

One thought of mine - the D7000 is a very high resolution camera with a small sensor. It has 3 times the pixel density (pixels/mm2) of say a D3 or D700 and has a 50% higher density than even a D3x.

Isn't the issue just that dirt on the D7000 sensor is 3 x more noticeable than on some other cameras, and therefore becomes an issue much sooner?

Just my £0.02....

  

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#40. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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GB
          

If it was only dust it would only be a bind but it's not!
It's the grease/oil or whatever it is, now I know it's not all D7000's, and that's not to say I don't like my 7000.
I love it, except this Dammed oil slick on my sensor
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#41. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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OKLAHOMA CITY, US
          

I'm Back and after shooting just a few hundred pictures I have quite a few dust spots. Not as large and nasty as before but quite a few. I could maybe live with them since they are so light, but I'll wait a few days to get over being PO'ed and clean it up again.

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#42. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Toronto, CA
          

>I'm Back and after shooting just a few hundred pictures I
>have quite a few dust spots.

I'm curious - how often did you change lenses during those few hundred shots? Also, when you stow your camera in the bag do you remove the lens and cap the body? If so, do you also cap both ends of the lens?

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#43. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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OKLAHOMA CITY, US
          

Didn't change lens all week and camera was stored with lens on it. On top of that before I took the trip made sure everything was spotless clean.

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Sun 30-Oct-11 02:23 PM
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#44. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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>Didn't change lens all week and camera was stored with lens
>on it. On top of that before I took the trip made sure
>everything was spotless clean.

Forgive a couple more questions please. I've never experienced any unusual dust problems in any DSLR and I've never experienced any of the lubricant splatter problems described in this thread and from time to time in other threads. Basically, I don't envy you or Jules. I'm just wondering if a simple but rare issue like zoom lens pumping might be the culprit.

Were you using a zoom lens, if so which one, and do you tend to zoom really fast? Repeated, fast zooming with certain lenses can sometimes pump dust into the mirror box, especially in dusty environments. This is a longshot.

Are you seeing spots in images now (again) at really small apertures?

Have you physically examined the sensor filter surface and found the dust?

Does the particular lens you were using appear to contain a lot of dust itself? If the zoom or prime contains a lot of dust, for whatever reason, that dust can continue to find its way onto your sensor filter surface. Another longshot.

One last question. This question is a bit impolite, but when you do a sensor cleaning are you sure you're actually getting it clean? If you're examing the sensor filter surface with one of the lighted magnifying lenses designed for the purpose, it's easy to tell if all the tiny bits, oil/fluid splatter have been removed - no doubt about it. If you're using eyes only to examine the surface for dust or remaining dust, it can be very hard to tell even when using a very bright light.

Just trying to help . . .

For the record, Nikon Canada's reaction to my query about dust and lubricant spatter occuring in a couple of (if I recall correctly) D300 bodies I'd heard about in 2009 was basically, "Bring it/them in under the terms of the Nikon warranty, we'll completely strip/clean all problem areas (minor overhaul), fully re-assemble and re-calibrate the camera body, and warranty the work. The problem as identified will not reoccur." That's a very accurate quote. The tech I spoke to at Nikon Canada, face-to-face at the service centre, was unimpressed by anecdotal stories of repeated visits to Nikon Canada and Nikon USA to get the problem permanently fixed, as reported by some DSLR owners. She maintained that there definitely are occasionally bodies which leave the factories in either overlubricated or incorrectly lubricated states and that correcting the problem at Nikon Service is labour intensive but simple. She also maintained that she had been told by a very few Nikon owners that cleaning attempts by authorized third-party Nikon service technicians had been poor enough to have driven those few owners to Nikon Service directly for a second kick at the can.

That's really all I know about the matter from a Nikon technician's perspective. There are only a couple of authorized third-party camera service technicians in the Toronto area. One of them has a particularly good reputation but he is so busy that his service times are actually longer than Nikon's. So I always go to Nikon Canada. I'm lucky to be able to get to Nikon Canada almost any time I want or need to.

If a camera has been overlubricated (too much where it's supposed to be applied) or incorrectly lubricated (any lubricant in/on surfaces or areas where it's not supposed to be), I just don't see how any sort of service except a minor overhaul can be guaranteed to permanently get rid of the problem. If there's any remaining spatter mist - even a spatter too fine to affect photos in any visible way - the spatter can still trap dust that would otherwise be loosened by the built-in cleaning routine.

For the record, my D7000, D700 and D3s are all set to clean and startup and shutdown. I only have dust cleaning issues after a period of frequent lens changes.

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jules Basic MemberSun 30-Oct-11 10:08 PM
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#45. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Hi Agitater,
My copy has been strangely cooperative the last few weeks but it has turned colder here in the UK, not even a spot in 500 shots, changing lenses every few shots and on windy days too!
I'm wondering if the Shutter Mech Lube is more tolerant of the cold and less runny than in the heat? Anyhow it's stopped but it's slightly irellevent now as I've been suffering with my Arthritis a bit and The D7000 and Six Lenses is weighing me down too much so I've decided to switch to a lighter system, and I'm flogging the lot
..............................................................Again!
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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Sun 30-Oct-11 10:36 PM
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#46. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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>Anyhow it's stopped but
>it's slightly irellevent now as I've been suffering with my
>Arthritis a bit and The D7000 and Six Lenses is weighing me
>down too much so I've decided to switch to a lighter system,
>and I'm flogging the lot

Jules - In the name of all that's sane and right, why on earth have you been carrying a D7000 and six (six?) lenses? Not even pros making real money with their gear carry around that kind of load. Good grief, if I started carrying around that kind of weight I think I'd end up, in short order on a walkabout, too tired to even think about shooting let alone making any decent photos. One camera body and one lens (and maybe one - 1, uno, une, einz, 1 - additional lens. Anybody over the age of 50 who thinks he has to haul around a camera and six lenses doesn't need to change systems. Rather, he needs to sit down and reassess his photography forays and the manner in which he's planning them. Sorry to be blunt and I'll bet you're not really carrying around a camera and six lenses all the time.

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mikesrc Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd May 2009Mon 31-Oct-11 01:16 PM
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#47. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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Howard I was getting it clean.I was using a 28-200 3.5-5.6G telephoto lens and yes I think lens breathing may be part of the problem.I don't see any way to stop it.What was on the sensor the first time was a real bunch of **** and I had to clean it several times to get all off. A brush would not remove it had to use a wet cleaning rig that I made. This time it appears to to be very small light dust which should come very easy. I'm not able to see it in normal 3.5-8.0 photos so I might just not worry about it for a while.

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Mon 31-Oct-11 03:46 PM
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#48. "RE: D7000 Mucky Sensor..."
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>Howard I was getting it clean.I was using a 28-200 3.5-5.6G
>telephoto lens and yes I think lens breathing may be part of
>the problem.I don't see any way to stop it.

I wonder how much the zoom lens breathing issue is accounted for in lens design over the past 10 primarily digital SLR body years? Do the lens designers automatically develop lenses which reduce the dust pumping effect of zoom breathing (perhaps using internal barrel baffles of some sort)?

I wonder now too about how many photographers using older zoom lens designs with DSLR bodies are experiencing the same frequent sensor dust problems.

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