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kentak Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2010Sun 17-Jul-11 09:42 PM
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"Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"


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There is a big charity bike ride coming up in my area next month. I know several riders who are participating and would like to capture some shots of them riding.

My plan would be to scout the route ahead of time to look for appropriate and safe locations to park by the roadside and shoot handheld. Right now, I'm thinking of using my 70-300 VR or possibly the 18-105 VR. I would acquire the subjects as they approached at distance, half-press to engage VR lock, and release in a short burst of three or so exposures as they begin to fill the frame. It's a long ride, so I might even be able to drive ahead and make more than one attempt.

Continuous focus mode is a given, but what other settings in the (a) Autofocus menu would you recommend? All input is appreciated, but if you have experience with similar subject matter, your thoughts would be especially noted.

One of the riders is actually a neighbor around the corner, so I can test any settings with his help along our residential street. But, I'd like a few suggestions to start with.

Any additional thoughts about my lens choices? Would a 50mm or 60mm prime be too limiting?

Much thanks in advance.

Kent

  

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dm1dave Administrator Awarded for high level knowledge and skills in various areas, most notably in Wildlife and Landscape Writer Ribbon awarded for his excellent article contributions to the Nikonians community Nikonian since 12th Sep 2006Mon 18-Jul-11 12:16 AM
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#1. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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The default setting in the Autofocus menu will be fine.

The only thing I would do differently then you are suggesting is that I would use Dynamic Area AF set to 9 points.

If you can get in some practice try both single point AF and Dynamic Area AF.

"I would acquire the subjects as they approached at distance, half-press to engage VR lock, and release in a short burst of three or so exposures as they begin to fill the frame."

That is exactly how I would approach this situation.

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PAStime Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009Mon 18-Jul-11 01:57 AM
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#2. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Mon 18-Jul-11 01:59 AM by PAStime

Kingston, CA
          

Hi. A subject moving toward the camera is a tough job for the camera to auto focus. Consider shooting at f8 or f11 or the likes so the added depth of field can make up for imperfect focusing. Just make sure this closed down aperture isn't causing the shutter speed to be too slow to freeze action. VR may not be relevant if it is a bright day and you are shooting at 1/500s or higher speed. If you want to have fun try some shots like the first one below. These are often more visually appealing than shots like the second one below. Peter






  

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kentak Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2010Mon 18-Jul-11 04:14 PM
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#3. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Thanks for the suggestions, Peter. I think experimentation prior to the event is definitely a good idea (as always when shooting less routine situations). My neighbor wanted some bike shots for his rider profile page anyway, so that would be a good opportunity to try different settings if he'll indulge me. I'm leaning toward using M mode to keep a healthy depth of focus and sufficient shutter speed, with auto-ISO enabled to take care of the exposure. In my area at the end of August, there's a good chance for clear or cloudy-bright skies. Either that or thunder storms. I also hope to scout out a few nice rural spots with picturesque backgrounds to avoid urban clutter.

Also, I get your point about VR possibly not helping much at the higher shutter speeds, but I'm wondering if having the subject stabilized would assist the autofocus system in finding and tracking focus. Seems logical to me, but don't know if that would be true in practice.

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#5. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Hi.

I would think that yes, VR may help with composition, metering, and focusing.

I haven't tried M mode with auto ISO. Must do that someday soon!

Cheers,
Peter


  

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kentak Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2010Mon 18-Jul-11 04:15 PM
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#4. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Thanks for the response, Dave. I'll definitely try out some of those ideas beforehand.

Kent

  

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#6. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Fri 22-Jul-11 03:14 PM by RRRoger

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I am thinking that a head on shot might actually be easier for a beginner as you will have a little more time to lock focus.
Panning skills usually require a lot of practice.
Get out on a Highway and practice on fast moving cars, bicycles will be easy after that.
I shoot continuous AutoFocus Spot metering and single spot (usually the center one).
I also use Auto ISO 6400 with minimum 640 shutter speed.
I use my AE-L/AF-L button to focus (set for AF-ON) and usually turn off the VR to speed up the lens.
Aperture priority usually wide open, but f/8 with some of the DX lens.
I've found the D7000 better than any other camera for this shot.




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The Riders slow down just before the crest of a hill.
choose a good background.
Try to shoot with the sun at your back.
Carry a folding chair such as those canvas camp ones,
and if hot a folding attachable umbrella.
Getting low give the picture better perspective.


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kentak Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2010Fri 22-Jul-11 07:57 PM
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#9. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Hi Roger. Thanks for the great suggestions. I enjoyed your pics.

I'm not really a beginner, but certainly am beginning with this camera. Of all the features of these techno-marvel cameras I've had to learn since my first DSLR (D90) a little over a year ago, the best use of which autofocus settings has been the most challenging. And, even more so with the D7000.

I was perusing the profile pages of the riders I am following, and was suddenly struck with the realization that one of the profile pics was one I had taken *decades* ago. I'm not even sure it was taken with a Nikon. I processed and printed the BW image in my darkroom and gave him a print as a memento of his triathlon. I was actually able to find the negative in a binder after all these years. I scanned it on flatbed with a negative carrier. It's not really a full-fledged neg scanner, but the results were okay. The neg was really flat and needed a good deal of contrast help with Aperture3. Oh, I took it from the passenger seat of a car, so very different from my planned shoot.




You can view the profile picture here:
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PAStime Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009Sat 23-Jul-11 01:38 AM
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#12. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Roger,

On that first shot of the rider on the ATV: it doesn't look that sharp to me, and I don't think it is JPG compression. The foliage in the background looks sharpest. I see from the EXIF that the lens was at infinity focus. I only point this out because your message was about how to achieve good focus of moving subjects - that isn't perhaps the best example! Your advice is still good though in my view

I like the shot though, and really like the perspective of the second one, with the cyclists coming into view.

Cheers,
Peter

  

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#13. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Sat 23-Jul-11 03:36 AM by RRRoger

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>Roger,
>
>On that first shot of the rider on the ATV: it doesn't look
>that sharp to me,
>Cheers,
>Peter

You are right about the Quad. I should not have post haste.
Here is a better one:


It took me a while to find my bicycle photos.
We have not shot any bike Events since getting a D7000

On that second shot it looks like they are riding in water
but it was very hot and dry that day so that might be vapor off the asphalt.
Anyway, a cool effect I thought.





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PAStime Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009Sat 23-Jul-11 10:44 AM
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#14. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Kingston, CA
          

>Here is a better one:

Good one!
Peter

  

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mikeon Registered since 01st Oct 2004Fri 22-Jul-11 07:23 AM
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#7. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Fri 22-Jul-11 07:25 AM by mikeon

Örebro, SE
          

As dm1dave suggests I would also recommend continous focus (AF-C) and Dynamic Focus Area of 9 points. An alternativ if the riders have very different colors you could also test the 3D Focus Area (all 39 points used). Maybe not working if many cyclists have similar colors. I have at least found it very good for single object as photo below:


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kentak Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2010Fri 22-Jul-11 08:13 PM
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#10. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Thank you, Mikael. I'll give those a settings a try when I do some experimenting.

Kent

  

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Len Shepherd Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2003Fri 22-Jul-11 09:04 AM
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#8. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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>My plan would be to scout the route ahead of time to look for appropriate and safe locations to park by the roadside and
>shoot handheld. Right now, I'm thinking of using my 70-300 VR or possibly the 18-105 VR. I would acquire the subjects as
>they approached at distance, half-press to engage VR lock, and release in a short burst of three or so exposures as they
>begin to fill the frame.
Add to this scout for locations where the faces are unlikely to be in deep shadow (or use fill flash) and choose a place where the riders are going slower and trying hard on a hill climb.
This is not a charity ride - but indicates a picture either of the 2 front riders might want as a momento.
A detail you did not mention is to take shots at different zoom settings to get different crops.



Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.

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kentak Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2010Fri 22-Jul-11 08:15 PM
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#11. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Good points, Len. This 100 mile ride will definitely have some hills. And, probably have the best scenery at those points, too.

Kent

  

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#15. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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>This 100 mile ride will definitely have some hills. And, probably have the best scenery at those points, too.
100 miles is a long way on a cycle - especially for the not so fit riding for charity.
I would try to find a location in the first 30 miles. By 100 miles the less experienced could be 2 hours behind the leaders,

Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.

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kentak Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2010Tue 26-Jul-11 04:13 AM
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#16. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Point taken. The ride offers "legs" of 25, 43, 102, and 180 miles, so riders can choose the distance that matches their fitness and training level. The 180 mile ride is two days.

The folks I'm tracking are doing the 102 mile ride, which is why I mentioned that. They are all experienced and have been training and will continue to do so.

I will try to find a location, as you suggested, maybe 30-40 miles out. Then I'll drive on to the end of the ride to catch the happy moment.

That's the plan, anyway.

Kent

  

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#17. "RE: Focus settings for oncoming bicyclists"
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Yorkshire, GB
          

>The folks I'm tracking are doing the 102 mile ride, which is why I mentioned that.
You obviously know them, so you could ask them their likely average speed to help being in the right place at the right time.
If they are fit as distinct from going at racing speed 18 mph plus food stops might be about right - about 6 hours "on the road".
If they are less fit 12 mph is a possibility - about 11 hours on the road.

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