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bobpatter Gold Member Nikonian since 28th Nov 2007Wed 28-Jul-10 05:16 PM
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"Apple's Aperture 3"


Sandy, US
          

I am currently using a D700 and importing my raw files with Nikon Transfer and using Capture NX for corrections. I am PC based but considering upgrading to an Apple iMac. My questions is if anyone has had experience with Aperture 3 and how it compares to Capture NX?

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eeherold Registered since 29th Jan 2009Wed 28-Jul-10 07:56 PM
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I just made the change from PC to Apple. The reason was that I wanted the highest resolution monitor that I could get, and the 27in iMac was at 2560 by 1440. You have to pay about $1,100 for that resolution in a PC display. The cost was about the same for a new PC with that display or the new iMac($2k). Therefore, I went with the iMac to see what all of the excitement was about. Now that I have had a chance to reflect on all of this I can unemotionally say that I think I would have preferred to have the new PC with the $1,100 display. The iMac is slick, and NX2 works on it, but I prefer the flexibility that you get with a PC. The iMac has not proven to be any better or robust than a PC; just different. And as far as the Mac being a stable operating system, that is just not true. I crashed my iMac 6 times in the first 7 days. When I bought the iMac I looked at Aperture, but it did not look any better than NX2, which I already had. My recommendation is, if you are a PC person, do not get the iMac. The iMac is not better, just different from the PC.
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2pixels_short Gold Member Nikonian since 16th Oct 2003Wed 28-Jul-10 08:44 PM
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I have been using both platforms for many, many years and the reason I use a Mac for personal use is a preference for an OS that is stable, flexible and is fairly intuitive to use.

It is "robust" and I have not experienced a crash of the OS in years. While individual applications may have the rare issue now and then, on the whole I spend way less time dealing with software and hardware issues than I do with the Windows side of the fence.

I have not test drove Aperture 3 as yet. I have NX2, Aperture 2, and Adobe Creative Suite 4 installed on a MacBook Pro running OS X 10.5.8. Each program has its own way of doing things and if possible you should do a trial install of each so you can see if any particular one "fits" you, your workflow, and the way you think.

I think you will find that no one piece of software is perfect. Each will have strong and weak points that you will need to decide if the are deal breakers or not. Also, you may find that a feature or function in one platform will either be "different" or missing from the other.

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backpacker24 Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Dec 2003Thu 29-Jul-10 02:50 AM
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I, too, have used both platforms for many years. I can say that they both work. What you will find is that they each have a different "philosophy" about how things should be accomplished and how things are organized. They both do the same things, but differently. Many people who have used one platform, then switch to another tend to try to make the new platform look and act like the old. It's natural, that's what they're used to. That approach usually doesn't work. Again, it's a little different way of thinking on each platform, but they are both accomplishing the same things.

As for robustness, I don't doubt that the previous poster experienced what he has indicated, but this is not typical.

I currently use both Capture NX2 and Aperture 3. They are different programs designed to do different things, but have overlapping features. Capture NX2 is primarily an image editor. I believe that nothing processes a Nikon RAW file better than Capture. Others may have different opinions, based on their own experience. I do my initial RAW processing using Capture, then do final finishing in Photoshop if necessary.

Aperture 3 is designed first and foremost as a digital asset management tool, and is really useful for rating, organizing and retrieving your images from storage. It's real strength is organizing and tagging images for rapid retrieval. It also acts as a RAW converter and an image editor. When Apple updated Aperture from version 2 to version 3, they greatly improved the RAW converter and also greatly enhanced its editing tools. Both of these functions are really quite good now.

I'm in the process of redesigning my workflow now. I am finding that for some images, I can do all finishing in Aperture 3, while for others, I still utilize Capture and Photoshop. I always start with importing my images through Aperture, though. This allows me to categorize and tag images quickly and easily. Capture is not designed to do this as well.

I'm a big believer in digital asset management tools. As the number of images piles up, it's indispensable. You should also try out Adobe's Lightroom software, available for both the Mac OS X and Windows platforms. It does pretty much the same things as Aperture, with some notable differences in editing tools, and integrates well with Photoshop, if that's important to you. You may find that you prefer the approach and interface in either Lightroom or Aperture over the other.

These are just my observations and experiences, and others may have different opinions. Good luck with your decision.

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FrenchTwist Registered since 04th Apr 2010Thu 29-Jul-10 06:07 AM
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I too have a Mac at my home office & use a PC at work and have never had a crash on my mac using aperture -I hands down prefer the mac for it's ease of use and less bothersome numerous details that I feel the pc tries to throw into my daily routine-LOL but I did specifically go into the pro photo supply shop last month and ask about Capture because I use Aperture 3 but was wanting to add the Capture-I can not describe as accurately as the specialist behind the counter but what he said is that I should NOT Buy the Capture for a Mac-That the problems w/crashing and lag time (sometimes lasting minutes to edit on mac per single photo) the trouble had to do with the way that the program was written-Capture is in a format that will work on a mac but is not designed for the mac-it is pretty much PC designed-he strongly discouraged me from buying the program and so I have resigned myself to go w/out.

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bobpatter Gold Member Nikonian since 28th Nov 2007Thu 29-Jul-10 03:24 PM
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Sandy, US
          

I appreciate all of the responses for ths post. I love NX2, but it runs very slowly on my PC, which is limited to 1.5 GB of memory and cannot be upgraded without changing the OS. I can generally work on around 30 raw images before I have to reboot the program and as I mentioned it seems like it takes forever to save the adjustments I have made to the raw image. I would probably put parallels on the MAC, which would allow me to access NX2 from the PC based system. Has anyone tried that?

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Milkman Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Jul 2003Sun 01-Aug-10 06:04 PM
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Why wouldn't you just run NX2 for the Mac? I have VMFusion on mine, but I have found almost always that a native Mac program works better than the same program under an emulator.

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Milkman Silver Member Nikonian since 20th Jul 2003Thu 29-Jul-10 12:55 PM
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I switched to Mac a number of years back. I have slowly transitned myself to use just Aperture 3 mainly because of speed of culling and getting the RAW file into a usable form. I still love NX2, but constantly only do what is called "round-tripping" in Aperture. To the first poster. If you are having those sorts of problems with your iMac, I would contact the genius bar. I believe there might be some problem with either the software or hardware.

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DiploStrat Registered since 06th Dec 2006Mon 02-Aug-10 08:05 AM
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I'll pile on. I use Aperture 3 with Photoshop Elements for the odd bit of pixel editing or for making photo cards, etc. (That translates to about a dozen images a year, as opposed to a few hundred in Aperture.)

Been using Aperture since switching from iPhoto (And Elements) when I went to RAW in 2006. I have tried Capture NX - too cumbersome, no organization and Lightroom - Better editing tools, worse workflow/user interface. If I didn't use Aperture, I would use Lightroom.

I see not reason to put up with the old workflows of Ingester>Browser/rater>RAW converter>Editor>Save in multiple formats. With Aperture or Lightroom you do everything at the RAW level and produce (and delete) JPEG or TIFF as needed. And instead of spending hours arranging computer files in basically just one order (to day nothing of the pain of tracking your RAW vs. your TIFF vs. your JPEG) you can arrange your IMAGES in any number of ways without ever moving your computer files.

But not everyone gets this or wants it. And some people strongly believe that Capture NX has a secret sauce for RAW development. Choose the workflow that is best for you, but this doesn't have to be as hard as some make it.

And, as for the Mac vs. PC; I have been a Mac user since 1985. I have also worked for about 10 years in ADP on everything from Superminis to UNIX boxes and fleets of PC's. I strongly believe that if it is your time and money, the Mac is a much, much nicer environment. Most Mac users simply don't realize how much they take for granted - from Firewire to Time Machine, to color management, etc. Perfect? No. Are PC's impossible? No. (More people use them than Macs.) But I know which I prefer.

YMMV

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FrenchTwist Registered since 04th Apr 2010Mon 02-Aug-10 08:15 AM
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Me too-One hour updating my Husbands PC reminds me of all of the hoops that I have to go through to perform the most basic task!

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lpicker Silver Member Nikonian since 14th Jan 2009Mon 02-Aug-10 07:46 PM
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Hi, Sandy.

I'm a pro and I use a D700 (as well as other Nikon bodies). I use Aperture 3 on a high-powered Mac with a 30" Apple Cinema screen. I converted from PC a bit over 3 years ago.

First of all, for the first year after the conversion I kicked myself daily for not converting sooner. The Mac OS is hugely more reliable and stable. I have not had a crash in years (I hope the computer gods don't seek retribution!). Admittedly, my computer system is powerful, but even my 15" MacBook Pro never crashes in the field, and it is loaded with software and I often upload 3-4,000 images while on assignment in the Arctic or deserts or wherever.

Aperture 3 is an incredibly powerful piece of software. Once in a while I send an image out for external editing (which takes 5-8 seconds) to NX2. I might jiggle it a bit and reimport back to Aperture for final finishing. That way I get the best of all worlds.

I would strongly recommend that you visit Bob Boyer's incredibly helpful website (http://photo.rwboyer.com/). He is an expert in Aperture and Mac systems and in the conversion process. He is also very amenable to questions.

Hope this helps.

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