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mjhach Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2010Thu 10-Jan-13 02:03 PM
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"LR4.3 - Softproofing Images"


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When I view an edited image and the results are "poppy", when I click Softproof to a GLossy PHoto Paper, the results are reduced contrast and pop. So I have to tweak it extra in contrast and vibrance etc, so that it looks excessive in order to get the softproof looking decent and then the print comes out Good. I understand the stuff about the monitor is backlit and will be brighter than a light reflecting surface of a print, which will appear darker.

Is this the process that everyone is using????

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blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004Thu 10-Jan-13 11:47 PM
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#1. "RE: LR4.3 - Softproofing Images"
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Richmond, US
          

Yep, sounds familiar, although my personal issues are mostly with lower dMax on matte papers rather than color saturation.

I will say, though, that this is highly, highly dependent on the paper to which you're printing, and then on the profile that is used to do the proofing and printing.

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mjhach Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2010Fri 11-Jan-13 01:18 PM
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Simcoe, CA
          

So, what I do is to run side by side comparison of the original image with the softproofing copy and edit until they match pretty closely and then test print. I turns out pretty good but Im surprised that to do that from a monitor image as much tweaking is required to up the Contrast and brightness. I guess that's when that adjustment is availalble at the bottom of the Print Module parameters.

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mjhach Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2010Tue 22-Jan-13 07:42 PM
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Simcoe, CA
          

I read somewhere that although you can get profiles from the major manufac. and I use these, the results from profiling the printer using Spyder Print Pro or similar, you would be hardpressed to really notice a significant difference, at least not one a client would notice, given only one example of a print and nothing to compare it to. I have a Canon Pro9000markii and use SPyder 3.0 biweekly for my monitor. Comments?

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There is a BIG difference between an illuminated display and a reflective paper partially covered with ink. I have an Epson printer and I use mostly Epson, Hanemulhe, and Ilford papers - there are profiles for all of them with the Epson HDR inks, and I don't even attempt to print without the profiles loaded. My first print with any new paper is a standard test image (I got it from one of the Rocky Nook books on printing), so I generally will catch anything too far out of the ordinary fairly quickly. I do still have a fairly big difference in some cases between the image as seen on the screen and the soft proof - as far as I understand (very little), this is a normal situation.

I assume that there are profiles available for most common papers with Canon's photo printers, since they are a fairly significant proportion of the photographic output market. On the other hand, since I'm an Epson owner (and all of my photographic friends who own printers are also Epson users), I've never really looked...

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#3. "RE: LR4.3 - Softproofing Images"
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Many folk, when printing from Photoshop, take the image file, add an adjustment layer or layers, and do all necessary adjustments necessary for the ink and paper being used.

That way they never mess with the original image adjustments. You can do something similar in Lightroom — once you tweak an image to your satisfaction, make a virtual copy and adjust it for print. You might even add a code to the file name to indicate the type of paper you are printing on. You might end up with "MH12345", "MH12345G" for gloss, "MH12345M" for matte…

And the very best printers I know do multiple test prints, tweaking as necessary. Soft proofing is nice, but test prints are exact.

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jherrel Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Apr 2007Fri 11-Jan-13 05:47 PM
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#4. "RE: LR4.3 - Softproofing Images"
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Elgin, US
          

AS my color management, softproofing and printing workflow improve, that is exactly what I am doing and getting much better prints.

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mjhach Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2010Tue 22-Jan-13 07:39 PM
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#5. "RE: LR4.3 - Softproofing Images"
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Simcoe, CA
          

Yes, I see that I do have to make some 4x6's to really get the exact image the way I want it, especially the larger images, 13x19". One thing I'm puzzeled about is when LR4 displays, in the print module, Page 1 of 3, I only see page 1. I can't find where it says how to see page 2 and 3. Can you tell me this, please?


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wmmc Gold Member Nikonian since 09th May 2009Fri 25-Jan-13 09:45 AM
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Singapore, SG
          

I was excited to hear when the Softproofing was going to be added to LR4. Before it came out I had started callibrating my monitor and Epson R2880 with ColorMunki, and was very happy with the output. Then LR4 come out with Softproofing, and I figure I will give it a try. Whoa! Even with the correct profiles selected, the softproofed version looks bad. And fortuanately nothing like the real prints. The only thing I found I need to do in LR4 is add +32 to the Print Adjustment Brightness, to get a near perfect match, and stop using Softproofing!

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