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gheck58 Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Dec 2003Sun 16-Jun-13 05:34 AM
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"Lightroom 5 Problem Already"


Aliso Viejo, US
          

Does anyone else have the problem of LR 5 taking much longer to render previews on Import? It is way slow compared to 4.

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quenton8 Silver Member Awarded for bringing his experience to the Nikonians community helping members with printing and the use of post-processing software from the perspective of an IT professional. Ribbon awarded for his enthusiastic and repeated support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 11th Apr 2010Sun 16-Jun-13 01:10 PM
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#1. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Toronto, CA
          

Yes!

But it "felt" like it might be more of a temporary freeze -- in that if I clicked on one of the blank images, suddenly a whole set suddenly displayed. Not enough tests yet to be sure that is the result, but I will watch carefully.

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JonK Moderator Awarded for his high level skills and in-depth knowledge in various areas, such as Wildlife, Landscape and Stage Photography Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2004Sun 16-Jun-13 06:14 PM
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New York, US
          

I haven't converted my catalog yet, so I'm just throwing out an idea. Are your preview rendering setting the same for LR5 as they were for LR4?

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quenton8 Silver Member Awarded for bringing his experience to the Nikonians community helping members with printing and the use of post-processing software from the perspective of an IT professional. Ribbon awarded for his enthusiastic and repeated support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 11th Apr 2010Sun 16-Jun-13 07:01 PM
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Sun 16-Jun-13 07:02 PM by quenton8

Toronto, CA
          

>I haven't converted my catalog yet, so I'm just throwing out
>an idea. Are your preview rendering setting the same for LR5
>as they were for LR4?
>
>Jon Kandel
>A New York City Nikonian and Team Member
>Please visit my website and critique the
>images!

Its the import previews on the import screen (the ones with a little checkbox on each) that seem to be the problem.

My settings should be the same.

Its strange, it displays the first few and then more further down and a bunch in the middle seem to be blank. Clicking on them SEEMS to force the display -- but I have only done 3 imports and really only thought much about it on the 3rd one.

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quenton8 Silver Member Awarded for bringing his experience to the Nikonians community helping members with printing and the use of post-processing software from the perspective of an IT professional. Ribbon awarded for his enthusiastic and repeated support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 11th Apr 2010Sun 16-Jun-13 07:03 PM
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Sun 16-Jun-13 07:04 PM by quenton8

Toronto, CA
          

>I haven't converted my catalog yet, so I'm just throwing out
>an idea. Are your preview rendering setting the same for LR5
>as they were for LR4?
>
>Jon Kandel
>A New York City Nikonian and Team Member
>Please visit my website and critique the
>images!

Jon -- you need to turn OFF your font-color items in your signature - I don't mean to not USE the, but turn them off at the end so that a quoted reply does not continue in green -- as this one does.

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JonK Moderator Awarded for his high level skills and in-depth knowledge in various areas, such as Wildlife, Landscape and Stage Photography Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2004Sun 16-Jun-13 08:41 PM
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New York, US
          

Done. Thanks!

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quenton8 Silver Member Awarded for bringing his experience to the Nikonians community helping members with printing and the use of post-processing software from the perspective of an IT professional. Ribbon awarded for his enthusiastic and repeated support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 11th Apr 2010Sun 16-Jun-13 11:57 PM
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Toronto, CA
          

>Done. Thanks!
>
>Jon Kandel
>A New York City Nikonian and Team Member
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>images!
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Yup -- works better

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dagoldst Gold Member Nikonian since 02nd Dec 2012Mon 17-Jun-13 12:40 AM
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#7. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Mon 17-Jun-13 12:40 AM by dagoldst

Little Rock, US
          

>Does anyone else have the problem of LR 5 taking much longer
>to render previews on Import? It is way slow compared to 4.

I have not, but I have an SSD in my computer to eliminate the I/O issue that applications like LR encounter while updating the catalog.

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gheck58 Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Dec 2003Mon 17-Jun-13 12:52 AM
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#8. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Aliso Viejo, US
          

Yes Dennis I have the same issue so it must be common. All my settings are the same as LR4.

And I do plan on updating to an SSD but it's still an issue that Adobe needs to fix so hopefully they will. Otherwise It was a waste of money as it's way too slow. My you, the images will import it just doesn't show the preview quickly, so you can't see what to delete.

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dagoldst Gold Member Nikonian since 02nd Dec 2012Wed 19-Jun-13 02:06 AM
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#17. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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>And I do plan on updating to an SSD but it's still an issue
>that Adobe needs to fix so hopefully they will.

Well, you might be waiting a while for the Adobe part.

My catalog is probably not as big as others, (around 500 meg), but with the SSD, I have noticed NO difference in import speeds vs LR4. BTW, I found LR4 painfully slow until the SSD upgrade.

Just another perspective.

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Antero52 Silver Member Awarded for his expertise in post-processing, being  consistently helpful and professional. Nikonian since 07th Jul 2009Mon 17-Jun-13 02:02 AM
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#9. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Vantaa, FI
          

> "LR 5 taking much longer to render previews on Import?"

When I have a post-processing day (quite often in winter, rarely in summer, because of other activities), as soon as I get home from work, I kiss my wife, boot up the computer, upload photos and start "Render 1:1 previews". It may take half an hour or two hours, I don't know or care. When I've had my dinner, coffee and newspaper, LR is done with the previews and responds smooth as silk.

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gheck58 Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Dec 2003Mon 17-Jun-13 02:48 AM
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#10. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Aliso Viejo, US
          

Thank you Antero. I would love to slow my life down a bit but at 1,590 images a week I don't have enough kids or wives to kiss. Hopefully Adobe fixes the issue.

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Antero52 Silver Member Awarded for his expertise in post-processing, being  consistently helpful and professional. Nikonian since 07th Jul 2009Mon 17-Jun-13 07:03 AM
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Vantaa, FI
          

> "I don't have enough kids or wives to kiss. Hopefully Adobe fixes the issue."

I'm afraid you're expecting too much from Adobe :)

Antero

  

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gheck58 Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Dec 2003Mon 17-Jun-13 08:17 PM
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#12. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Not really. You should expect equal if not superior features and performance from Adobe or any other SW maker for that matter. Especially when they are charging you for it. These are tools for pros and they should work that way. There are other people reporting the same issue in the Adobe forums so it's a known bug. I'm sure they will correct it, hopefully with the next update.

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US
          

No problem here. Mine is running on a newer Mac Mini, 2.6Gh Core 7, 8GB Ram. I wouldn't say its any faster or slower than when I had LR4....the original small thumbnails show up pretty fast. Are others who are seeing a problem running Macs or PCs?

  

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Dgastrong Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Oct 2012Tue 18-Jun-13 05:24 AM
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Sonoita, US
          

Switched the other day. I do not notice any delays different than in 4. I have noticed with both versions that the import is a bit slow if the folder with the raw image files has a few hundred files. If the folder has only a few files then the import is very fast. I also noticed that the import may finish but the thumbnail images are blank until I run the mouse over the thumbnails; they all lite up then. I'm running windows 7 pro, and my raw files are on a WD external (2tb) USB3 drive.
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UK
          

This may be completely irrelevant to your problem, but I found exactly the same when I installed Lightroom 5. I knew I must be doing something wrong as everything had worked fine in LR4 and though Lightroom is installed on my C drive (which is an SSD) and my pictures are all on my D Drive this hadn't caused slowness before.

I have now checked where the LR5 catalog is and find that the Catalog is in my F drive (not my C drive), which is an external USB pen drive which I use to backup the catalog each time I exit the program. I think this was my fault when I launched LR5 for the first time; I must have used the F drive as the source catalog.

Anyway I have just transferred the Catalog to my C drive and it's zipping along now. As I said at the start, this is only my experience and probably of no help to you, but it might be worth just checking that your catalog is in the right place. This article from Adobe help put me on the right track.

http://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/help/create-catalogs.html

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#16. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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US
          

I do not have any problems on mine from LR4 to LR5 on MacPro 10.8.
Perhaps the card reader I/o?

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#18. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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McEwen, US
          

Your previews will load way faster if you check the box in the upper right corner for "minimal" for "render previews." It's in the upper right corner when you open the import dialog in LR4. I'm assuming it's in the same place for LR5.

I normally only use the previews in grid format to rotate images, delete obvious bloopers, or look for a specific image. The minimal setting is adequate for that.

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#20. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Jamesville, US
          

Diane: I saw somewhere on Adobe TV that when you minimize previews they will load faster but if you render 1:1 it will take some time the first time but on subsequent rounds, it will actually take a shorter time. I wish I could remember where I saw that.
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#19. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Jamesville, US
          

It may be that the preferences for showing the previews are not set to small but to full jpgs. Its located in the preferences,

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#21. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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I just upgraded this week. I also think the import feels slower, but I never measured in LR4 to be sure just how much slower it is. On the other hand though, I feel like movement in the Library and Develop modules is much faster, particularly with previews. I'm not really sure why import would have slowed down, but I'd rather wait a few extra seconds for the import to complete than wait one extra second when paging between images in the library.

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#22. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Jackson, US
          

I've been watching posts here and on the Adobe Forums about various slow aspects of LR5. Interestingly, the slow issues are not the same on everyone's machines. Some have slowness in the Develop module. Mine works fine.

I have severe speed problems with moving files and adding keywords and metadata.

In the past six months, I switched to Nikon View NX2 (free) to view and cull images before importing the keepers into LR. I use the file manager / finder to move the images off the cards onto a folder on the hard drive and they copy D4 and D800 images to the hard drive at a speed of about 2 per second. (50 to 110 mb/sec). View NX2 previews the images faster on my system, so I can go through them quickly.

Today, I had around 81 images coming off a SD card (rated 95 mb/sec). Since they were all images I knew I was going to keep, I went ahead and let LR import them directly. Going through a USB3 reader, it still took a long time. Maybe 30 seconds per image from a D800. Out of curiosity, I went outside LR and copied the same files to a different folder on the hard drive. It copied all 81 in about 2-3 minutes. So, on the same system with LR being in the middle, it took a lot longer.

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#23. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Fri 26-Jul-13 11:03 PM by Bravozulu

Los Angeles, US
          

Newly bought LR-5. 2.4 Ghz iMac. Importing my entire library of images (about 11Gb) went pretty quick.

I imported from User>Pictures>NikonViewNX2. That was where all my uploaded images were planted by NVX2. Once LR thinks they are in a certain location, do not attempt to move them outside of LR. Drag and drop will cause nightmares.

And be aware of the post made by Julianne Kost about this issue. She is an Adobe spokesperson with many videos on the Adobe website. She says in response to many questions about time lags for new imports that new images are imported temporarily according to the color profiles set by the camera. But then, things slow down will LR works on these files to render them according to LR color profiles/contrast/brightness/hue. Your computer needs a bit of time to chew on these images and convert to LR profiles. But only for the first time. See here video on this topic here:

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-complete-picture-with-julieanne-kost/why-does-the-photographs-preview-change-in-lightroom-and-bridge/

So, after importing, let the computer work on them for awhile. In fact, why not view of Julianne's tutorials. They are quite instructive.

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#24. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Mon 29-Jul-13 04:50 PM by M_Jackson

Jackson, US
          

Bravoulu,

Let me throw back a few comments that might help you on this.

First, you can copy images from a CF,SD,XQD card to any folder you want and then point Nikon View NX2 to that folder. It doesn't care where they are. You probably have your NX2 preferences set to automatically copy all incoming images into your default user/pictures folder. I like to have total control over that aspect, so I copy them where I want before View gets involved. (I also turned off the auto import option in LR)

Second, AFTER I do all of my culling in View NX2 and end up with about 5% to 10% of the keepers, I import them into a temporary import folder in LR where I catalog them and add keywords and metadata. Now, Lightroom knows how to keep track of them. After all of the keywords and metadata are added, I use the tools in Lightroom to move them from the temp folder to specific folder for long term storage.

The reason I adopted this workflow is the speed Windows copies the files to my hard drive and the huge difference in speed I get for the initial rendering in View. I shoot 700 to 1200 in a day regularly. The speed issue is critical to me—made much worse with a D800 and its large files. With this workflow, I am only dealing with rendering a few images in LR, vs hundreds or a thousand +. I'd eliminate the View portion in a heartbeat if LR imported faster and previewed much, much faster.

I watched the linked video just now.

The original question was about LR5 being slow while importing and previewing. I would assume the person asked this question based on having used LR4 for a while before switching to LR5. We've always had to wait a little while for the rendering, but 5 takes longer right now.

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#25. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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Aliso Viejo, US
          

Just to let everyone know, the 5.2 release fixed my original problem. I have never noticed any other issue so I can't say what else it has corrected.

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Jackson, US
          

Thanks for the heads up. I have been checking for updates fairly often while in LR but it always says it is up to date. I did a search and found 5.2 but it is still a "Release Candidate". I'll wait a few days and watch for the official release through the cloud.

Nice to know something is on the horizon.

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Bravozulu Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Jun 2012Fri 02-Aug-13 07:15 AM
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#27. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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This video put out by Adobe doesn't directly address the delay as measured in time, but it explains what is going on shortly after Import. And obviously, this much adjustment takes time.

A video Tutorial by Julianne Kost.

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-complete-picture-with-julieanne-kost/why-does-the-photographs-preview-change-in-lightroom-and-bridge/

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M_Jackson Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Oct 2005Sat 03-Aug-13 12:39 AM
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#28. "RE: Lightroom 5 Problem Already"
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No, I get it. But, I don't know why the same operations are taking so much longer in LR 5 than it did in LR 4. Same catalog, same computer, same camera with the same size images...it takes a lot longer performing a long list of operations right now.

I am hoping the 5.2 release will fix some of it.

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