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"So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."


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Seems Adobe HAS gone all out on their "cloud supported" s/w which you have to subscribe too.

This has been discussed here as a possibility for a few months now.

This is a news link so may only work for a few days.

http://www.zdnet.com/adobe-goes-all-in-on-the-cloud-ditches-creative-suite-7000014953/?s_cid=e589&ttag=e589

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#1. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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I don't pretend to understand the full pricing, but it looks to me as if it will cost $50/mo, or $600/yr. That's a lot more than the $200 per major upgrade I've been spending, especially since that tends to be every other year. From $100/yr to $600/yr? I could see why they'd want to do that. Is it really this bad? I don't think I'll be buying Photoshop again, if that's true.

Is Lightroom going to this model too? I might have to switch to something else.

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for the present time, LR is available outside CC
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html

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Brian,
Unfortunately, you're 100% correct. You won't be buying Photoshop again. You will potentially be renting it.

Adobe will adjust their pricing models a couple of times so I'll sit back and wait before I make my next move. They'll have "specials" where the first 3 - 6 months are at the "introductory price" and then you pay full price for the balance of the contract (like Dish Network and Direct TV).

With my D7000, D600 and CS6 I'm OK for a couple of years. Ultimately I'll have to get different software as the operating systems are upgraded and CS6 becomes less compatible. Will it be Adobe Photoshop is the question.

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>Is Lightroom going to this model too? I might have to switch
>to something else.

Adobe has officially stated that Lightroom will remain a stand alone product for now. LR 5 will be available from retailers just like previous versions but they haven't said anything about what happens after that. If they do make Lightroom subscription only then I'll find something else to use. I refuse to pay a monthly fee for a desktop application and I refuse to use any cloud storage that I don't have control over.

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But when LR4 was released, PS2012 accompanied and was implemented in ACR7(?) and CS6. If LR5 remains standalone, and PS201x is its native RAW engine but that engine is not supported in CS6, you are still screwed unless you elect to stay at ACR7. I don't think things will be as transparent as what we might suspect.

Maybe this will energize RawTherapee developers, who seem to have reached a leveling off point.

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If you consider that Adobe releases new versions of photoshop about every 18 months, you can think of this as a loan instead of paying for the software upfront. Ignoring the discount through July, the monthly fee for Ps is listed as $20/month. Assuming $200 upgrade cost, $20/mo over 18 mos is equivalent to an annual interest rate of 85%. Alternatively, if you assumed an 8% annual interest rate and monthly payments of $20 over 18 months the present value (ie, upfront cost) is just under $340. If the subscription includes Ps extended, the numbers would be mitigated, but I think few photographers need or want what the extended version offers.

Adobe hasn't discounted much online so I don't expect to see many opportunities to get a discount in the future.

Anyway you look at it, if my calculations are correct, Adobe is raising the price of "CS7" upgrade $140 or charging you 85% interest.
They need to come up with another product offering that is palatable to what most enthusiasts use Ps for.

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The biggest complaint I have is about what happens if you stop your subscription. Apparently you no longer can read your files with the latest version you used. To access them you have to "downsave" them to the format of whatever version you had pre-subscription, CS5 in my case.

That means you lose all the work you've done in later versions, and you better hope the "downsaving" operates without a glitch. Also, if you have a huge number of images, as I suppose most do, this process will be a headache.

This strikes me as close to being held hostage. If Adobe wants to got to a subscription-based model that's their decision, though I do resent all the marketing BS surrounding what is a plain financial decision. But this loss of access is really unreasonable. Whta happens when Adobe decides to triple th eprice in a couple of years?

I've read suggestions by others that Adobe let you have permanent license to the then current version - no upgrades - after you've been a subscriber for some period like a year. That makes sense to me. It's what a customer-oriented company would do.

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#122. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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>To access them you
>have to "downsave" them to the format of whatever
>version you had pre-subscription, CS5 in my case.


No way I plan to downsave them to an earlier version of Photoshop, nor to dng as others have suggested. Adobe has just as much as announced to the world that unless I'm rich and plan to stay that way, they're not going to support me with their software. As soon as whatever computer I'm on won't run my legacy version of their software I'm on my own.

I plan to save them all to TIFFs.

Yes, I'll have to sell a body part to afford all the storage space, but at least I'll know that I'll be able open the files using other people's software should I ever need to.

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#123. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Whiting, US
          

In all of this I currently am sasitifide with current nikon bodies
D800, D3S, D7100, Kids D90
I currently own CS5 and just changing over from IBM to MAC I am looking to purchase CS6 upgrade for mac and can not find it any where
Any fellow nikonian know where I can get a licesend copy not a subscription but ownership of CS6 for MAC
1 sadened fellow nikonian whom will miss photoshop
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#3. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Ottawa, CA
          

At first I was very angry, this seemed insane, the new coke of software as the strobist said. So I called Adobe and asked what does it cost just for LR and Photoshop. I have CS6 so Photoshop is 9.99/year, no guarantee on next year, and lightroom is outside of the creative cloud.Or I could go whole hog and get both in creative cloud along with everything else for 29.99 for the first year. Still not thrilled but LR update plus PS for 9.99 is whole lot less scary than buying the full shebang, and I can re-evaluate next year.

Not sure everyone is going to want to pay this tariff. Its like buying CS6 every year. But It may be better than learning a new program.


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VR8 Silver Member Nikonian since 04th May 2008Tue 07-May-13 01:06 AM
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#5. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Ottawa, CA
          

I just called adobe back, the 9.99 offer is good through July, next year Photoshop will cost no more than 29.99. The person expected a special upgrade fee which would be much lower than 29.99, but could not promise that. I explained that I had just spent (two months ago) 280 for LR and CS6, 30/month for one application was simply insane. I think I will wait and see how adobe handles the flack when people see the new pricing. If they are as smart as I think they are they will improve their communications and pricing and provide certainty in a down market.

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#13. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Birmingham, US
          

>At first I was very angry, this seemed insane, the new coke
>of software as the strobist said. So I called Adobe and asked
>what does it cost just for LR and Photoshop. I have CS6 so
>Photoshop is 9.99/year, no guarantee on next year, and
>lightroom is outside of the creative cloud.Or I could go whole
>hog and get both in creative cloud along with everything else
>for 29.99 for the first year. Still not thrilled but LR update
>plus PS for 9.99 is whole lot less scary than buying the full
>shebang, and I can re-evaluate next year.
>
>Not sure everyone is going to want to pay this tariff. Its
>like buying CS6 every year. But It may be better than learning
>a new program.
>
>
>Victor
>H
>My website: www.rakmilphotography.com

The pricing is monthly, not annually.

  

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#16. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Ottawa, CA
          

My bad, the price is still more in one year than CS would have cost under the old model for two years!

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#7. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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New York, US
          

Adobe wants the best of two revenue worlds. The subscription model will force (some of) those who skip every other upgrade to pay in annually, a boost. On top of that the prices (forget the intro price, it's a come on) are higher per year than the annualized upgrade price.

I have no problem with the subscription model per se. Adobe would achieve a more constant revenue stream, and perhaps that helps them. But the overall price jump seems to be a gouge.

For me there's some irony. I use Lightroom (with Nik) and really only go to Photoshop as the filter vehicle (Smart Objects). I could skip it — but I'm a graphics pro and use most of the other apps in the Suite (InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop) so I have no voice but to pony up.

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#8. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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And for those of us who have no access to decent internet..we are up the creek, no paddle in sight

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#10. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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New York, US
          

Sheri, you only need the internet for the initial software download. After that, periodically the software may check your status (certainly if you have a monthly subscription). But when you use the apps you do not have to be online.

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Toronto, CA
          

As a semi-retired person who does not earn income from photography, a subscription is a real millstone.

My ability to by an upgrade will come and go based on extra income from consulting (to my previous employer and his clients).

I may suddenly have $300 to spend, and so I buy an upgrade.

To have a constant monthly cost is not something I expect to be able to handle.

I think Adobe will lose a large number of customers by not providing options.

Until now I have concentrated on LR and CSn -- I expect I may now have start looking further afield to other providers

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I recently purchased and have been learning LightRoom because I don't have a lot of comfort with Nikon's continuing to support/upgrade CNX2. But this decision from Adobe has me wondering where to go now. I am totally unwilling to use subscription-based applications and fully expect Adobe to move LR to this model if they are successful with the CS change. I have been unhappy with what Google has been doing with Nik since they bought that company and now Adobe is making me mad too. Perhaps they won't mess with LR, but I'm not feeling comfortable about it.

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#14. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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San Jose, US
          

While Nikon may not have "Upgraded" CNX2, they have given you FREE updates every time a new Nikon camera comes out. I see no reason that they would not continue to do that. I also have the Production Premium Suite and for me with the NAPP discount it paid to do that because my upgrade costs were actually small and I got the key programs that were important to me. Many SW companies are headed the subscription way. Microsoft does it with Office 360, but you get a lot of very nice extras in that subscription and it is only $99 a year and good for 5 computers, so it is a bargain compared to buying 5 copies of office or even a 3 license version and they include 20GB of extra SkyDrive storage and 60 free Skype minutes every month. I have had every upgrade since CS from Adobe, but I am not sure if I will move to the subscription since the majority of my post processing is done in Nikons CNX2 and I never use Adobe ACR when I am in Photoshop as I am moving TIFFs from CNX2 when I need some special action. Pros don't have choice, but as an amateur I do.

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#25. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Hi, Bob.

I understand what you are saying, but when I said that Nikon didn't seem to be upgrading CNX2, I meant that they hadn't improved any of its features. Coming out with updates just to support new camera models isn't much benefit to me. I would like to see improvements in the program's usability and functionality. Also, your comments about Microsoft don't really fit me either. My wife uses Word extensively, but we have no use for any of the other Office programs. I bought Word 2003 and then had to upgrade to 2010, but it's not like we want or need to upgrade every year or two. If Adobe wants to go with a subscription model for folks who need the latest and greatest releases, that's fine, but I think it would also be good if they continued to allow a purchase option for those of us who are happy using a product for several years between upgrades (with periodic updates to support RAW from new camera models).

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#15. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Olympia, US
          


I've got it!

They should use the JC Penney's business model that was recently implemented. You know, the one where they arbitrarily make a decision without asking the customers, then have to backtrack.



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#108. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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didnt penny fire the executives that made that decision???

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The CEO, yes. Their next quarter was even worse, so I'm curious to see where it goes from there.

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#17. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Durban, ZA
          

I haven't completely thought through the benefits and drawbacks of the CC only model, but let me give another perspective.

As a digital photographer/videographer, I would most probably use the following range of applications (based on what's in the cloud at the moment):
(I'm using ZAR10 to US$1 exchange to calculate costs, which is pretty close)

1. Adobe Photoshop CS6 Extended @ US$ 1300
2. Adobe Lightroom @ US$200
3. Adobe Premiere Pro @ US $1000

In total that would be US$2500 for me to buy those applications outright. If I subscribe to Creative Cloud I get to use those and more for US$ 50/month (US$600/year).

That means for the same price I would get just over 4 years worth of CC subscription which would include all upgrades for the applications I use in the 4 years. Again, I'm not limited to using only the three applications I mention.

It may not make sense to rent applications in the US, but considering that the majority of photographers here in SA (at least the ones I know) cannot shell out US$ 2500+ on software, the CC subscription seems like better value and a more cost effective way of getting to use some top notch applications.

As I said, a bit of a different perspective.
In interest of disclosure, I do have a CC subscription going at the moment and I'm happy with how it has worked for me so far.


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#18. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Lebanon, US
          

How about a boycott?
Speak with your wallet.

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#19. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Lafayette, US
          

I am an amateur photographer. I use LR4 and CS6 for personal use. There is no way I need the other applications. I will not be going to the Cloud/Subscription.

I also use OnOne's Suite7. They already do much of what PS does for photos. This could be an opportunity of them to capture a bigger market.

Then there is GLIMP. I don't know how many photo features it offers? However, it is, I believe, FREE.

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#22. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Knoxville, US
          

Gimp is nice. So is Acorn and Pixelmator (for Mac, anyway). And there is Photoshop Elements still which is not going CC. But I do hope Nikon moves to release CNX3. That would be a disruption of big proportions for Nikon users.

  

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#23. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Ontario, CA
          

As an amateur using CS5 I'm really not comfortable with going to the "cloud " model. No doubt Adobe will benefit from increased revenue but from my viewpoint it does nothing for me except increase my monthly costs while giving up control over my stand alone program. A professional might feel differently but Adobe just lost me as a customer. I did appreciate, for many years now, the ability to upgrade relatively cheaply to every second PS release but this new business model is a no go for me. Too bad.

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#27. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Chicago, US
          

Rob,
Your calculations don't take into account those who previously purchased those products and are on an upgrade path for considerably less than your numbers. For them, the break even point is closer to 1 year, not the 4 years you mention. To them, it's a much more costly option.

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#30. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Durban, ZA
          

You're 100% correct. The upgrade cost for those applications is significantly lower and the break even point may come sooner, but look at it this way.

If I compare like for like, version wise, Photoshop CS6 Extended upgrade would cost me about US$500. If I'm upgrading only Photoshop to CS6 Extended, the question I'd ask is whether I spend the $500 on the upgrade or pay $600 to upgrade Photoshop and also use all the other applications as and when I need them(if I subscribe). Still looks like decent value from this part of the world, at least at the current exchange rate.

The one downside I see with the CC subscription is what happens if you cancel it? Do you get to keep the last version you were subscribet to for good, or does it completely cease to function? That could be a problem.


  

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#31. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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New York, US
          

Since the subscription is for a period of time, my guess is that at some point after cancellation the app will realize that it has expired and either cease to fucntion or, more likely, go into demo mode.

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#32. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Ottawa, CA
          


Adobe could legitimately offer CC for free to new owners of CS6, like Nik did and others have in similar big changes. In other words no 10/year for the first year, and a more reasonable 11-12/year after that guaranteed for three years. That would guarantee them the PS only market, and would mitigate the cost increases at consequently very little loss to Adobe. In my view if there is sufficient outcry this model would be attractive to them. Not to lose the majority of the advanced amateur, budding pro market, and show they are flexible would go a long way in building and maintaining their base.

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#37. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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San Jose, US
          

Are you looking at upgrade prices or total purchase prices. I was getting update to the Production Premium Suite for about $550 every 2 years, though the last update was $695. For that I got Photoshop CS6 Extended, Illustrator CS6, Premiere Pro CS6, After effects CS6, Audition CS6,Prelude CS6,SpeedGrade CS6, Encore CS6, Bridge CS6, Media encoder CS6, Dynamic Link and Mocha for After Effects. That is one heck of a bunch of programs for $347 average a year and if I never upgrade again the programs are still useful to me. So at $50 per month for access to everything I am paying $600 per year or almost double- No bargain here!!

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#41. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Durban, ZA
          

Hi

If you're referring to my calculations, please be aware that I'm basing them on my cost for these products in South Africa, where Photoshop CS6 Extended costs me the equivalent of US$1300. The upgrade is just short of US$ 500 itself for only Photoshop.

The CS6 Master collection is about US$3300 - more expensive than some prices for the D800.
I haven't looked at the upgrade price for the Master suite, but I doubt it'll be under US$1000.


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#126. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Gardnerville, US
          

I think Rob has touched on an important point. Those of us who are graphics professionals and who use several of the Adobe applications will likely benefit from the subscription format with constantly updated/upgraded applications. I am not one of those. Adobe wants photographers to use LR. I use LR, but have never been as comfortable with it as I am with PS and there are certain things I can do in PS that LR doesn't allow, such as certain filter applications, removing objects that work their way into my image, creating text objects and creative use of layers. I've used PS since version 2 and am just simply used to it.
I believe that Adobe recognizes that the cost/benefit of the new Adobe CC is just not there for photographers. That's apparently why they are continuing the old format for LR. If they continue to offer PS Elements, the combination of LR and Elements is a reasonable .alternative, but one is forced to work in 8bit only. I bet, however, that there will be so much ill will generated by this decision that they will have to offer a subscription to PS only (without the rest of the Creative Cloud)at a more reasonable monthly fee. The $9.99 quoted in other posts is currently slated only as an introductory offer.

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#21. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Knoxville, US
          

I think this is the biggest opportunity yet for Nikon. If they announce a new Capture NX3 that is stable and feature-rich they could gain a lot of new sales/users.

But I suspect Adobe will wisen up and follow what I see often in developer tools. You pay for updates/support but when you stop paying you can still use the last version of the tool you had.

  

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Nikon would have to ask photographers to help, not engineers who are always late to the party.

NIK did the first version, not sure who is writing the code for Nikon these days.

Possible, but Nikon does not follow trends, the only start them, D90 video, CNX2 etc.

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#24. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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As has been pointed out, for someone who uses several Adobe products the Creative Cloud subscription makes sense. I'm sure Adobe knows their customer base and I bet that it's primarily design professionals, not photographers. Photoshop is not 'photo editing software', but a complete graphics manipulation package for designers of which photo editing is just a part.

So, the photographer who uses only PS from Adobe's suite is certainly being affected. A subscription is expensive in that situation.

I'm curious to see where Lightroom goes. It is included in the Creative Cloud subscription but I'm betting that it will remain available as a separate purchase and become Adobe's main tool for photographers. It's improving with every version and coming down in price as of the last update. With the upcoming version 5 about the only key piece missing is layering capabilities and that can be met with cheaper add-ones like onOne's Perfect Layers.

Adobe is certainly forcing change on us and change is hard to accept sometimes. Certainly I see a lot of photographers abandoning Photoshop for other software. I don't see Adobe suffering and professional designers seem happy with the new model.

By the way, Adobe isn't the only company doing this. Microsoft is pushing us towards a subscription model with their Office 365 suite.

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#28. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Tue 07-May-13 08:19 PM by Robman3

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It's about the piracy, across the globe an entire generation feels compelled to have access for free.

This generally is about costs.

The P & L aspects for Adobe, who can blame them, Apple has set the price points at 'gotta have "Gucci" for years now.

I do not agree with their pricing model but over all for Id, Dw, Pr, Ae, Ps, and a multitude of enhanced functional sub sets designed for the hand held and touch screen devices, it makes sense.

I couldn't find the link but right after NAB one luminary who builds and designs broadcast facilities said the best of show was Adobe's next phase for CC, and he mentioned it could potentially cause him lost business but world wide, would reshape the industry.

I'm vying for a purchase through an associate on MS through Adobe's back channel, which if it occurs, will be at a fraction of retail but, I've been considering the yearly cost for a subscription as well.

In expenditure a casual user will recoil, as did I, but most of my imagery is done on CNX2 and NIK, because I learned on them. I have LR 3. and CS5 PP for video, and do not drill down in PS or LR unless I need a conversion to lay into Encore for a menu, at least for now.

So, averaged, $600 US seems like a lot, and it is, but also, as a professional more engaged in producing singular pieces on cross platform content via connective media, I will simply add that to the other monthly expenses when I see my tax accountant.

In the mean time, I may also buy the last best version upgrade to Master Suite, as a legacy, just because I hate the cloud.

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#33. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Some professionals are seeing this as a good thing? Maybe in pure financial terms it will be (at first). Think of the ramifications further down the line, I would imagine that Adobe products, like most other high end software, are not backwards compatible? Once you sign up and use the product that's it, you are locked in, stop paying and you have lost all of that work. Obviously you wouldn't lose the original images, but all your workflow will be rendered inaccessible.
Adobe are not known for their benevolence, and love to price gauge whenever possible. Once they have had you for a couple of years, what's to stop them increasing prices unreasonably, in the knowledge that as a working professional, you have to pay, or lose thousands of work hours? What happens if business takes a downturn? previously you could choose to not upgrade until business picked up again, now that option has been taken away from you.

I use some industrial software that in the past used a dongle. It has now gone to online verification, which causes all sorts of problems if you have a computer crash, last time that happened to me it brought my business to a standstill for days as the software was registered to the dead PC, and it would not let me install on the new PC until 'support' had sorted it.

What happens if you are working late to get that portfolio finished for you best client, and the software stops working because someone in accounts has forgotten to pay the bill? working away in a remote area without internet?
There are a myriad of problems associated with this model that could directly impact your business in an unfavorable way, and if I were in the imaging business I would be looking long and hard past the initial cost saving.

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#34. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Even though I'm a current user of their Cloud subscription and use enough products that it makes economic sense for me, I think this is an extremely poor move on Adobe's part. Angering a large number of your customers through what they'll view as a trap rarely works out well in the long run. It's far better to offer customers a choice that involves extra value rather than doing it via what's perceived as coercion.

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#35. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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I totally agree. I'm somewhat at a loss as to why Adobe is not sensitive to these feelings. I'm not making predictions or anything but I would not be surprised that they'll end up walking this back to at least a more palatable position for all of us. As my father always used to tell us (and he was a very successful retailer) always make the customer feel like a king and make sure they leave the store feeling like they got a great value. This is not happening in this case.

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#36. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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It may be how they define and divide their customer base.

As they add functionality to Lightroom, such as the enhanced Adjustment Brush in LR5, they may be creating a one-stop app for photographers where the need for an additional editor might be minimal. Perhaps down the road Adobe will add some Layer functionality and accept third-party modifications!

Photoshop is part of the various Suites. It's aimed at my day job — designers, typographers, layout artists, graphic artists, animators, pre-press shops and offset printers. Basically everyone except photographers.

Some photographers may move to other software apps to avoid the expense of Adobe's cloud. Some may stay with their current, owned version of Photoshop — until eventually when they upgrade computers and/or system software and the owned version won't run anymore.

But most of us are trapped. My "day job" group will accept the cloud model. It's still a good value (though I think Adobe bumped the price a bit far). Us photographers? I'm not sure I see any other company developing and supporting an app that will compete favorably with Lightroom. Not down the road. Adobe has the resources to continue development beyond most other companies' abilities; and the freebies, well, you get what you pay for.

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#38. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Good points Jon. I sort of suspected that Adobe is pushing us (well, me at least) photographers who are Photoshop diehards to Lightroom. I guess I could learn to love LR but I won't go easily. I almost feel like part of an arranged marriage.

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#120. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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>Even though I'm a current user of their Cloud subscription
>and use enough products that it makes economic sense for me, I
>think this is an extremely poor move on Adobe's part.
>Angering a large number of your customers through what they'll
>view as a trap rarely works out well in the long run. It's
>far better to offer customers a choice that involves extra
>value rather than doing it via what's perceived as coercion.

I agree. When you buy PS, all of the work that you have done in that app. can be accessed no matter what as long as your system continues to operate. With the subscription, if you decide to end the subscription all your work is gone.

A choice would be fine, the forced model just leaves a really bad taste for the company.

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#39. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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I found this discussion quite useful. As an amateur who purchased both LR3 and Photoshop CS5 Extended previously, Adobe's decision prompted me to purchase a standalone upgrade to CS6 today.

I had been considering the CC subscription for a few months, mainly for LR4, PS CS6 and Acrobat Pro. I hardly use LR3 and PS so I never felt I could justify the subscription based model. Acrobat Pro is something I would use much more frequently but I have another PDF software that is fine for now. As long as PS CS6 remains useable on the latest OSs, I feel okay spending the money today knowing that in 7 months whether I use the software or not I will have spent less money than the $30/month CC subscription I was considering. This rate is available for a one year subscription to previous CS owners, but only until 7/31.

I may still decide to subscribe before July 31 when the intro offers expire. The other software that the CC subscription offers might be good to have around. My kids are getting to an age where having the design software on our home computer could be beneficial. By purchasing PS CS6 I would be eligible for the $20/month for a year rate, which saves me $120 over the $30/year rate without buying CS6. The $95 difference between the CS6 upgrade price and the subscription savings would be my price for having the latest/last version should I not find the subscription worthwhile after the year intro rate expires and goes up to $50/month. I may lose backward compatibility if I chose to quit but, as previously mentioned in another post, I would always have the source image.

I'll also add that had the subscription been $30/month lifetime I would already be a CC subscriber, $360/year is closer to what I had been spending on Adobe software annually.

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#42. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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My first reaction was shock: is there no limit to their greed? But on second though this may be a good thing for myself and the industry in general. Why?

For me it is a good thing because I don’t have to buy or install new Photoshop versions. Adobe says (see the press releases) that CS6 will be updated for the next versions of the operating system (Win 9 in my case, which is due maybe in 2015 and probably good until 2020 at least). Formerly, support for CSn ended abruptly when CSn+1 was announced. Now Adobe says that CS6 will be maintained at least to accommodate new cameras supported by ACR8, and at least for the next operating system version. CS6 is good enough for me for years to come. I don’t need a better Photoshop, all I need is time to learn thoroughly what CS6 can do if all its features are used to the max.

How is it good for the industry? Until now, Adobe has dominated the post-processing market and there has been very little motivation for anyone else to develop functionality that Adobe does not offer. Well, there are exceptions, at least as regards HDR (Photomatix, Oloneo) and Panorama (PTGui), but not very much. Why would anyone invest the money on a better deconvolution algorithm? If it succeeds, the functionality will be integrated into Adobe products. Now Adobe has promised that zero new functionality will be offered below the subscription price that is currently set at 20$ month and who knows how far it will rise? This is clearly an opportunity for software developers other than Adobe.

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#102. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Assuming that everyone switches over to CC (humor me), what incentive is left for Adobe to add new features and such? They make money regardless of whether new stuff gets added.

Don't see what the benefit to the industry is, there.

Adobe, it seems to me, is aiming for complete customer lock-in. Should schools teach a program that would lock in those students?

And no academic pricing? How well does this work for students? And how many students would keep up with a subscription anyway?

(Very) Long-term, that seems like a disaster for everyone.

Seems like a plan to get as much money as possible from today's pros, with no thought to tomorrow's (or today's amateurs).

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One possible reason for the cloud based subscription approach is the major shift to tablets. Many large organizations are shifting toward a tablet based model. The current Photoshop solution does not really fit into a tablet environment, but a cloud based solution can fit that model.

I agree with all the comments and frustration about simply shifting from the license model to a subscription model. I'm concerned with the approach - and the cost impact. I don't need another cable path from a moderately priced service to an expensive bundle.

My big fear on all this is the execution of the model when there is no internet access.

I see this as the start of a new direction - the gorilla is flexing its muscle and leading a new path. The trend toward tablets applies to many more devices. Microsoft has already gone this direction with Office 365. I'll be very surprised if other photography software programs do not follow suit.

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Hi Eric,

Adobe cannot be so obtuse as to eliminate offline editing.

The software is still a download, or am I wrong, would you know?

Thanks,

Rob

(edit) Read other posts here, downloads, native to the OS platform, so offline it is.

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#54. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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New York, US
          

You must be on the internet to download and license the software. After that, you need only be online once per month to allow the software to validate (and if you pay for an annual subscription you can actually go 180 days without validating).

You may edit offline to your heart's content!

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#44. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Richmond, US
          

Well, I have my CS6 installed already. I think I'll be taking steps to virtualize my Mountain Lion OS image, at which point I can keep running it for a very long time. I'll plan on updating CS6 as long as they keep offering updates. And then I'll just plan to make do with CS6. If I need CS7 or whatever, I'll batch up the work and rent it every once in a while. If Adobe's model doesn't allow me to do that economically, I'll find a way to rent time on someone else's system. I don't use Photoshop enough to warrant what the expense appears to be.

It's not the SaaS model that bothers me. It's the price. As an extreme illustration, if the CC licenses were $1/month, few of us would care. $20/mo is $480 per upgrade cycle, which is two and a half times what I pay now. I'm not a heavy user, so the price for CS6 was fairly high to begin with. Now it's substantially increased.

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I use LR4 as my primary processing software. Unless, I need to dodge and burn or move pixels my pictures never see Photoshop. Light Room has ACR built in and it works well. It has a very good noise reduction. I understand the new version of LR will have the healing brush (my most used tool). If they would add Dodge and Burn, along with the Clone tool.

I have never used PS Elements. However, many of my local camera club members do and from listening to them, it seems to do most of what a photographer would want.

OnOne could be a winner here. I have their Suite 7 and use it as my primary add-on photo software. It allows layers and it allows exporting and importing in and out of LR4. It follows much of the PS workflow, so it would be an easy move for PS users. They too could add the more commonly used tools used by photographers. If so, I think OnOne would be a tempting tool for many of us.

The point is, 95% of what we do as photographers can be done outside of Photoshop. As for future cameras not being supported by current versions of PS. There are plenty of software packages that can turn the RAW files into TIFFs. I think even Nikon's software can do this.

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You can dodge and burn in Lightroom. Click on the adjustment brush and then click on effect:custom and a drop box will display a number of options including dodge and burn.

Jason

p.s. I concur with those who think Adobe is doing this to try and curb piracy - and concur that this is a terrible idea. Google, who bought Nik software, must be salivating at this point - they are clearly brewing something.

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Wed 08-May-13 01:11 PM by migs

Warrington, UK
          

You only have to look at the way they apply worldwide pricing, and then force customers to buy from localised Adobe stores to realise that Adobe are anything but a customer-focused company.

When it was questioned why they charged GBP600 in the UK for a product that cost USD600 in the US store, they came out with some bull about applying local tax rates. In the UK, VAT is currently 20%, but the PS price is 50% higher on adobe.co.uk than in the US store. I get nothing for my extra 30%.

It's this policy which leads so many (including me) to take the alternate-version upgrade path. I've been buying PS since v6, but it appears my loyalty is worthless.

Also, any loss of custom to Adobe will also lead to a loss of custom for plugin providers. The fewer people buying Adobe products, the fewer are buying addons.

The bottom line is that Adobe doesn't give a #### about its customers or its "partners".

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I don't have a problem with the subscription pricing per-se -- being in the S/W business I know how difficult it CAN be to get paid for the time and effort that good S/W takes.

What I DO have a problem with is having to pay for capabilities I don't need, and as an amateur, all out-of-pocket.

I don't have an instant solution, but there must be some way that adobe can structure this so you can get a subscription for a reasonable price based on what your needs are.

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#48. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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IMO, this change by Adobe will result in more piracy, not less.

I also do not understand why folks are saying that the new CC is cloud based. How is that? The software has to be installed on one's computer and ET phones home once a month to ensure that it is legit. The software and updates are not stored on the Cloud.

You can bet that pirates will crack the new CC. How long did it take them to crack Microsoft 2013...it was virtually overnight.

I have CS6 and that will represent the last bit of money that I will have spent with Adobe.

  

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To me, this is about trying to staunch the bleeding pirates cause Adobe.

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>To me, this is about trying to staunch the bleeding pirates
>cause Adobe.

To me, this is about making as much profit as possible a la mobile phone companies. There are other ways to prevent piracy. I hope Lightroom doesn't go this route and I hope other companies provide an open source competition to Adobe.

  

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Do not give a $$$$, to be sure.

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Wed 08-May-13 04:41 PM by M_Jackson

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At first, I wasn't too happy to hear of this new subscription model. After seeing what is actually offered and crunching the numbers, I believe I will be no worse than even and maybe ahead at the end of each year. I already have Adobe CS6 Design and Web Premium. Seems like the last upgrade was well over $600 and maybe closer to $700. Lightroom is now part of the CC along with Muse, so I won't have to pay to upgrade LR again. In the past, we were forced to upgrade to a new version of PS to get the latest Adobe Camera Raw to work with the newest cameras. That will go away since you will always be working with the newest software.

For the people only using PS, don't they have a $19.95 option so you don't have to buy the entire CC suite? For the people that never upgraded from all the way back to CS3, they get the entire newest version (currently CS6) for an investment of only $19.95 monthly, and would get Photoshop CC(1) automatically when it is released with only the payment of the monthly fee.

I started with Photoshop when it was version 2.5. That was the version prior to the program having layers we all take for granted now. Since then, I've spend a fortune on upgrades all the way through something like version 8 or 9 before they switched the naming to CS1, CS2, etc up to CS6. $600 per year for everything, not just PS, starts sounding pretty good.

I can't imagine jumping ship now either. I have another fortune tied up in Photoshop Plug-Ins and am addicted to the integration between Lightroom and Photoshop. Throw in the huge investment in time cataloging images in Lightroom. I had another cataloging program before moving to LR. The integration simply wasn't there.

Check out the video of the Camera Shake tool on this page:
http://gizmodo.com/say-goodbye-to-creative-suite-adobe-rebrands-cs-as-cre-493155052
I'm ready right now!

I can also see how going this way can help both Adobe and the users. Instead of having to wait until a complee new "Suite" is ready (like CS7), they can stagger releases of the many individual programs in the CC all throughout the year. We might be waiting for a Dreamweaver feature to be completed to get the Camera Shake Reduction in Photoshop using the old complete suite model.

As far as I know, we can still run CS6 on our systems as long as the computer works or until there is a major change to the operating system. To get the Camera Shake Reduction and whatever else is on the horizon, it will take a subscription of $49.95 a month instead of a $600 upgrade. I am just spreading the money out over 12 months than in one lump sum if they were to actually offer a boxed CS7 Design and Web Premium. At least for me, I believe it will be worth the adjustment to the new model.

Everyone's situation will be different. Now that I have had time to evaluate it more, I don't think I will have a problem with the new direction. And, Adobe is allowing us to put any and all of the programs in the CC package on two computers. They've done that in the past, but maybe some people never took advantage of it.

Here's a link to a page actually listing all of the programs you can use with a full subscription:
http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/creativecloud/tools-and-services.html

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#90. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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The main problems I have as a CS6 Production Premium Suite owner is:

1.Yes the subscription price of $29,99 does give me a few more programs than I currently get by buying the boxed set now for about the price I paid for my last package. But what will be my cost NEXT year?

2. Also now I own my program forever and can always open every Photoshop image I ever owned. It seems if I stop paying for CC it stop working-OOPS!

3.Just because I get access to more products, that is no advantage unless I use them.

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#50. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Tienen, BE
          

If it's about fighting piracy, then just switch to a dongle model.
Sure that works, too.
I just use LR (outside the model) and PsCS6 for the occasional content aware stuff.
For people like me there's no positive business case (as a private amateur) for this new CC-model. I just won't put up with the huge price increase.

Jeez, just some time ago it seemed like we'd loose NIK, but that is OK now.
Now it really looks like we will loose Ps -- really didn't see that one coming.

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#55. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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And would anyone want to bet that LR and Elements will not go this way in a year or two?

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#56. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Jackson, US
          

Lightroom is already in the list of software as part of the CC package. I don't know if it will continue to be sold as a stand alone product.

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#59. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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After reading this thread end to end last night I also looked on the Adobe site and it was full of angry feedback. I then realized that if NAPP can no longer provide 15% Adobe discounts for Adobe SW, and if I did not buy into the CC model, my NAPP membership would essentially become less valuable as I am sure most discussions and tutorials would focus on the new features available on the CC version. So I sent an email to them asking what was going to happen to those things and how I was considering dropping my NAPP membership that I have maintained since CS days. I got a quick reply and was told that Scott Kelby was sending all comments sent to him directly to Adobe. I am sure that they are concerned how this can hurt their business model if a lot of people walk away from Adobe.

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#60. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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So is this about "making more money" or about "making better S/W" or about "hitting pirates"???

Its about ALL of those. Coming from a S/W company background, its not easy to get properly paid for the amount of time and effort (and ancillary costs) that go into making good S/W.

So I don't object to a S/W (or any other kind of) company trying to increase their income/profit/margins/... Does it matter if the claim its "combating piracy", or "making more money to invest" or "making money to ensure top developers" or ...

What "I" want to see is a wide enough range of options to handle the wide range of users, from professionals who pay their way in life with all of this, to the retired amateurs who want to be able to use the best S/W, and maybe even become pro's or educators or whatever. The initial offering looked like it might exclude the latter, and that was/is my concern.

Any GOOD company should be trying to make more money at what it does, so we should not knock them for just that.

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#61. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Ottawa, CA
          

Have a watch of Kelby's show the grid from yesterday. In short he is proposing to Adobe a cut down version of CS just for photographers to compliment lightroom. he is very upset about some of the comments he got.

Frankly the only concern I have is the increase in cost, Kelby's idea or a cheaper solution for photographers would suit me. Going form a 199 up grade every 18 months to 360 for the same 18 months is very steep. I raised this on Scott Bournes blog and he was brutal about how Adobe has every right to raise prices


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#62. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Fri 10-May-13 12:20 AM by Rondo5570

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Seems like a lot of price "misinformation" is floating around this issue created by Adobe and their Creative Cloud approach.

Just to be sure it has been said on this forum--if you already own CS3, CS4, CS5, CS6, the pricing for the first year of only PS CC is $10 per month. That price may go up in 12 months, but that is the price for only one APP if you currently have that software. I currently use CS5 so for me to get CS6 on the CC the price is $10 per month. This pricing seems pretty attractive to me. I also currently own and use LR4 so I am good there. Of course, if Adobe raises the price substantially in 12 months the economics may not look so good then.

The bigger issue for me is what do I do with all of my images in a few years if I retire from photography? If I have subscribed to PS CC and stop, can I still view and edit my own images if I am not on the CC? I don't think so. Seems like I will need to own CS6 to do that. This seems pretty crude of Adobe to do this. Secondly, if I don't subscribe to the PS CC version and buy a copy of CS6 for my computer, how do I get updates? I don't think I can. So, when the D400 (or any new Nikon camera arrives) I won't be able buy it because I can't process the images because I am not a subscriber and my current version of CS6 won't support that camera. This is crazy.

This is a real concern and it seems to have been overlook in all of the rants about pricing. I am more concerned about long-term ability to use my own images.

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#63. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Sunnyvale, US
          

"Just to be sure it has been said on this forum--if you already own CS3, CS4, CS5, CS6, the pricing for the first year of only PS CC is $10 per month."

Ron,

When I look at the membership pricing page it says that the cost for a single app membership (with a 1-year commitment) is $19.99 per month.
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html
Where are you seeing the $10 per month price?

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#64. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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San Diego, US
          

Richard-

Go to this web address which is part of the Adobe CC site:

https://creative.adobe.com/plans?plan=offers&promoid=KFHQB

I signed up there this PM to get CS6 which will become the CC version in June. Price is $9.95 per month if you already own a one of the PS versions I mentioned in my prior post. Adobe says that price is good for 12 months. After that---who knows?

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#65. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Fri 10-May-13 06:26 AM by M_Jackson

Jackson, US
          

sorry...duplicated reply

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Fri 10-May-13 06:25 AM by M_Jackson

Jackson, US
          

http://terrywhite.com/5-myths-about-adobe-creative-cloud/

I found this link very informative. 5 myths about CC

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Fri 10-May-13 09:08 AM by richardd300

Dyserth, UK
          

I can't see any reference to this article on this thread, so here it is another few paragraphs of what Nasim Mansurov thinks.

http://photographylife.com/adobe-creative-cloud-fail#respond

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that this is yet another example of corporate arrogance of which Adobe is a world leader. I have also noticed that there has been no update of Adobe's camera DNG converter and this affects D7100 users, I wonder if there ever will be now?

Lets hope that Google are working hard to create a brand new Capture NX2 with a bridge type interface. I'm sure Lightroom will go the same way, so plenty of scope for others to up their game. May be the kick up the butt that Adobe need

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#68. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Tienen, BE
          

If Google would bring out a LR-like app that integrates all NIK-functions, then I would be very happy to switch in the blink of an eye.
u-point beats brushes and layers any day of the week.
Google: just make sure the app is properly color managed.

BTW: because of this CC stuff I lost faith in the noble free file format called DNG.
It could well be an Adobe trick to lure us all in to using what might become a super expensive death trap. A lot of swearing comes to mind. We feel betrayed...
Maybe we should all just drop Adobe so massively like there's no tomorrow... with Adobe. In any event: I personally will never trust Adobe again: in my mind that name has been smeared forever.

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#69. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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<<If Google would bring out a LR-like app that integrates all NIK-functions, then I would be very happy to switch in the blink of an eye.>>

Yep, I feel many would agree too. Adobe is only really interested in it's commercial customer base, the likes of most folks on here, i.e. serious amateurs, are of no consequence to Adobe and represent but a grain of sand in their target market.

I just wish Nik Capture NX2 had a Lightroom style layout, that would put the cat among the pigeons for at least Nikon users.

As an aside, this growing dependence on the "cloud" and Satellite based systems per-say, leaves the world vulnerable in my view.

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#70. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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If there is a "New" Capture NX (ver 3, Capture NY, whatever) it will come from Nikon, not Nik. Nik and Nikon have long since severed the agreement that led to U-Point being incorporated into Capture. I doubt Google has any interest in developing limited market photo software for a specific camera brand.

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#86. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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San Jose, US
          

If you don't use ACR and say use CNX2 to process your NEF's- which gets updated for free every time a new Nikon camera comes out then you don't have to worry. Your CS6 will last forever, you just send it TIFFs

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#85. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Bob,

Can you provide the link to the Adobe forum for feedback? I'd like to give them my $0.02 worth there too!

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http://forums.adobe.com/community/creative_cloud

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This is a big problem for me. I live in an area that doesn't have the greatest internet connectivity speeds. Slow speeds and outages are not uncommon. The idea of having to rely on an internet connection for access to Photoshop is not practical. Furthermore, when traveling, I am often in areas with no internet access. This would mean that I would be unable to do any processing in the field.

In my case, I do not need instantaneous updates of new features and can comfortably wait for new features on the old 18-month release cycle.

I am a Photoshop CS6 user who began using PS with CS2 and have upgraded with each new release because I have found features that were of use to me. While I understand the simplicity that a cloud-based system creates for Adobe, I feel that they have completely abandoned a large segment of their user base. A subscription based system will be more expensive and far less useful for me. I have no problem with support and user's manuals being web-based, but Adobe should reconsider its position and continue to supply their software on disk-based or download options. There are legitimate reasons that some users prefer this. Barring that, it would appear that new releases of Photoshop will not be in my future. I will most likely remain on CS6 until a new supplier comes along with a product I like.

Does anyone know the best way to share these thoughts with Adobe?

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#74. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Photoshop CC would reside on your computer, just like it does now. Your files would reside on your computer, just like they do now, unless you place them on the cloud. You would not need an internet connection to work on CC. You would need an internet connection, periodically, so that CC could phone home to Adobe to ensure that you are legit and have paid your ransom. And if you do not pay your ransom, CC will cease to function after a certain number of days.

  

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#72. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Perhaps not of concern to many Nikonians, but how is this viewed by the education market? Since there are "student and teacher" prices for current boxed versions, will there be an equivalent "student" discount for the subscription versions?

  

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#73. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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My CS5 is a licensed student version which I bought legally when doing a college course. I guess students and colleges will have to now buy a subscription as there is an option for just that on the Adobe site.

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#75. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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I have a student/teacher version, too. My wife is on the faculty of the university. The new CC student version is $30 per month. If other universities are like this one, the school will purchase most of the licenses and provide the students, who need the software, a license. I doubt many students who aren't in a program that requires the software will be buying it via subscription.

On another note, here is what I think will happen. It is clear that the subscription program is designed for the larger customers. These people will benefit from the program. Not so much the individual photographer, especially an amateur photographer.

I think we (photographers) will see an upgraded "Elements". I think Elements will evolve even more into a photographers program. If they add Actions and a few more of the tools used by photographers they will have a "Lite" version of Photoshop. This would fill our needs and probably cost less than the full version of PS did.

Combine this with Light Room for updated Camera RAW functions and we photographers would have all we need and want. Well...mostly all we want.

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#76. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Birmingham, US
          

I have been a legal Photoshop user for quite some time. When I was looking at buying CS6 (which I did, buying it directly from Adobe, as always), a friend of mine told me not to waste my money because he could put CS6 on my computer for free (he has a pirated and untraceable copy). I said no thanks for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that I felt that Adobe was entitled to getting my money for its efforts in producing the product.

Now let's fast forward to Adobe's hostage taking tactic of subjecting its users to ransom pricing, forever, to use it products. With that in mind, how will I feel when my friend tells me that he can put CC on my computer for free? I honestly do not know how I will feel. And you can bet that the pirates will crack the code. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not living in the real world.

I will also say that Adobe's actions have seriously chilled my enthusiasm for photography. As it stands now, I will not be buying any more lenses, cameras, etc., nor will I be buying any more PS plugins, will not be subscribing to various fora, will not be buying any more PS books, ad nauseam. I am actually considering just selling all my stuff and finding another hobby.

And Adobe's statement that the tradeoff for getting updates faster justifies not being able to use PS CC when one stops paying the ransom is even worse than Steve Jobs reaction to antennaegate by telling users they were holding the iPhone wrong. The arrogance of such behavior comes from meglomaniacs.

  

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Fri 10-May-13 04:14 PM
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#78. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Dyserth, UK
          

<<I am actually considering just selling all my stuff and finding another hobby.>>

Wow, why not just experiment with other software? Many who have CS5 are frustrated that the D7100 RAW files cannot be viewed on their copy of the software and I'm one of them. However, I always knew I wouldn't be able to. However, there are work around's for RAW files currently Lightroom4 is one of them and Photoshop Elements 11 another. The problem is none of them have the "essential" tools that work as seamlessly like the wonderful "Content Aware" etc. This is why other software's in the reviews get 4 stars, but Adobe apart from cost still maintain 5 stars.

Someone, somewhere will probably or hopefully be working away furiously to satisfy our needs at a realistic price. I do hope so anyway.

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#112. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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NL
          

>Wow, why not just experiment with other software?

Because, I guess, I'm getting old, and because I can't afford it.

This culture of lifelong learning sounded so good a few years ago, so obvious. But I tell you, I've just spent the better part of four years learning photoshop, and am just now getting to the point where I'm really liking what I can do with it. It's the fourth software program I've learned since I took up photography in 2008. I'm just tired of having to learn new programs.

I spend more time learning software than I do learning photography. Up until now that's been my choice (and bad habit) but at least I've had the idea that there was a point to it. And up until now there has been: I'm soooo much better now than when I first started. Even though I still spend more time behind a computer than I do shooting, I'm getting through tons of pix now rather than only two or three a week.

To learn yet another program, get good enough at it that I can do the things I want to do (how many hours will that take? and money spent on books that may or may not even have been written at the same level that PS books have been written), for what? Until the next software company fades away or decides to price itself out of my reach?

This rant didn't start with Adobe. It started when I got on somebody's computer last week and couldn't actually work it. Turns out they were on Windows 8 somehow, and I didn't even recognize the screen, let alone what I was supposed to click on to get started.

Sort of like what happened with Vista. Which I had to switch to not because XP didn't meet my needs but because my computer was five years old and fried.

I never did photograph during the darkroom age. Supposedly the beauty of digital is that it's so much cheaper.

For me, I'm realizing (like I have been for years) that I simply can't afford this hobby. I probably couldn't have afforded all the film back in the day either. But I certainly can't afford the price I have to pay to upgrade my "darkroom" every three or four years and all the software that runs on it.

I'm tired of investing time and buckets of money into learning skills that have the half-life of an unrefrigerated roll of film.

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#77. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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I am not a professional photographer and don't make my living making images. However, photography is important to me and it is one of my favorite pastimes. I work hard at making good images in the camera and then enhancing them in post-processing software to make my images as good as they can be with the most impact I can deliver to anyone who sees them. To do this I have invested a lot of money and time in Adobe products over the years. Currently I use LR4 and CS5.

So how does Adobe's new business model affect me? I am still trying to figure this out but I believe they have made a decision that was not in the best interest of photographers. From what I have read (and I've read a lot in the past few days), their decision to be almost exclusively in the Creative Cloud environment is probably a good one for people who use a variety of there products. The fact that many people have already begun using CC would indicate that is true. However, for photographers this isn't a good change.

The fact that Adobe won't continue to offer Photoshop as a purchased product is very troubling for a variety of reasons. I will continue to use LR as long as they continue to make it available as a purchased product. If it goes to the Cloud only, that will be a real problem. I guess Elements will still be available for purchase, but I have never used Elements and if I had to, I guess I could learn to use it, but that would mean I wasted a lot of time learning to use PS.

I am mostly concerned about the future. What if Nikon does introduce the D400 later this year and I want to buy it? I will only be able to process the images if they continue to offer LR for purchase and update it. If they don't I won't have an Raw image processor for a D400 image unless I rent the PS CC software. Once it becomes all "rental" from the Cloud, I no longer have any control for my image making.

What happens in the future when I decide to retire from photography, end my membership in the "Cloud" and no longer have software that will open the thousands of images I have already made and processed. Will there be anything I can use to open, tweak and print those images that are mine but processed with software I can no longer afford to rent? I think Adobe really needs to rethink the box they have put many of us into with this idea. I think their decision has not been clearly thought through for photographers. They seem to have left us in a position with few clear alternatives and I don't appreciate what they've done.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Fri 10-May-13 04:31 PM
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#80. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Dyserth, UK
          

A lot of questions, but sadly few answers yet. The future of Lightroom will certainly be in doubt, however we both hope it stays as a standalone. My biggest concern is the possible loss of the Adobe RAW DNG converter which does overcome many of the problems you mention. Without it things will be difficult and if Lightroom became "Cloud" based only then it will become a yet bigger problem.

I have used Corel's Paintshop pro, but my biggest gripe is that their updates for new cameras is pitifully slow and valuable Photoshop type tools are not available.

This issue will run and run, but there we are and it's up to market forces to regain some of the abandoned Adobe users. I'd love to see Adobe catch a cold over this

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#83. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Ron,
It sounds like you already have Lightroom. Here's a solution for you.

View your entire LR catalog, then make a Smart Collection. Inside the smart collection, select By File Type and pick PSD. Save the Smart Collection as PSD_Files. That will display every PSD file you have in the catalog, no matter which folder or which hard drive.

Select ALL, then go to File>Export. Select TIF file format as the output, tell it to use the original file name and tell it to save the new file in the original location and keep keywords and data. Hit START and set back or go to bed. When it is finished, you will have a universally workable TIF file with all keywords and settings and added to your LR Catalog. At that point, you could go back to the same smart collection and tell the software to DELETE every one of the PSD files. (I wouldn't do that, but you could). From today forward, select TIF as your Save As choice instead of PSD and you should never have to worry about not having an editor to work on your legacy images.

I double checked this scenario on my system. I have just over 180,000 images in my master catalog. Of that group, 1300 are PSD files. I could easily dump the PSD format in the catalog in one night.

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M. Jackson-

Thanks for the ideas on how to convert PSD/s to something that will be useable in the future. I had considered converting all of them to Tiff's but didn't know an efficient way of doing it. I will give your ideas a try. Certainly quicker and more reliable than anything I had thought of.

Thanks again.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sat 11-May-13 03:04 PM
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#89. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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M Jackson

<From today forward, select TIF as your Save As choice instead of PSD and you should never have to worry about not having an editor to work on your legacy images.>

If one has done layering for various purposes and saved as PSD, wouldn't the layers be lost when converted to TIF. I thought PSD was Adobe's equivalent to no destructive RAW images, or at least until the layers are merged or flattened?

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M_Jackson Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Oct 2005Sun 12-May-13 05:24 PM
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#92. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Jackson, US
          

No, TIF files can have layers. Try it!

If you have CS6, save it as a TIF while you still have the file built with Layers, then open the same image in any CS* Photoshop.

I just did a couple of experiments. I tried opening a layered TIF in Corel Painter 12. It opened the file perfectly, but was flattened.

I tried opening a layered TIF file in Windows "Paint" and it opened the layered file with no problems, but was also flat.

I openened a layered PSD file in Corel Painter 12 and it popped up a dialog box stating there were some unsopported features or effects, but it still opened it with layers intact and the file looked fine to me. There is a tutorial on Lynda.com that talks about the features that don't transport smoothly between Painter and PS, but it is a fairly short list.

I don't have Corel PhotoPaint loaded on this machine, but I'd feel fairly confident you can open the tifs and PSDs in it.



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M_Jackson Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Oct 2005Sun 12-May-13 05:45 PM
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#93. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Jackson, US
          

One more thing...

I took a photography/Photoshop class at the local Art Center a long time ago. The instructor made a statement I silently questioned at the time.

He said he keeps his NEF files and a flattened version of some sort of processed image. No need to keep the layered ones. He said he was always confident he could reprocess any old image better now than when he did it originally.

That has always stuck in my mind, and over time, I now agree with him and seldom save regular images with layers. Two things happend over time. First, I get better at processing. Second, Adobe's Raw converter gets better whether you are working in LR or Photoshop. The RAW converter in version CS6 is worth the upgrade cost if that is the only feature you used after the upgrade. It is far superior to anything Adobe release prior. I read it was a "ground-up" rewrite of the utility and it shows.

When I read a lot of the doom and gloom comments here, I reflect back on what my instructor said. You know Nikon is going to continue to release a NEF reader that can save in TIF format, so you should never be locked out of any image shot with in the RAW format, and many software companies read TIF files, whether layered or flattened. If you are scared of unreadable legacy PSD files, just save everything as TIF. Oh yes, if you ever look at the files size of a PSD file against the same file saved as a TIF, the TIF file will be slightly larger. That never bothered me, but some people might like the smaller file size.

There was an article in (I believe) Photoshop User magazine talking about Photoshop's biggest and most threatening competitor is actually Lightroom. Each version of LR does more and more of what many people did in Photoshop, and the program is much cheaper. Throw in the fact the adjustments made to a RAW files are stored in a very tiny sidecar adjustment file. No need for a 55meg PSD file when a 12k XMP file can carry all of the adjustments, unless you need some of the special tools in PS.

Still, I use Photoshop regularly and I'd be ready to order CC tomorrow if I could get the new Shake Reduction Utility!

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#96. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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No, I very, very rarely do either. I think I have about 10 images which were the sort of 20+ layer composites type, so the layers in those few case were important. I usually export NEF's as DNG so I can view on CS5. That said I wonder if Adobe will keep issuing the DNG converter as I've noticed they have not updated for a while. Hence I can't convert my D7100 NEF files.

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#106. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Check your DNG converter version -- I'm using the current version (on a Mac) to convert D7100 NEF files until Apple updates their Camera RAW for Aperture...

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Wed 15-May-13 08:57 AM
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#107. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Strange, I've downloaded v7.4 again and it's working! I think my version was beta.

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#94. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Dyserth, UK
          

<<No, TIF files can have layers. Try it!>>

Well, well, well So it does. I've never saved a TIF before and just assumed layers would not be included. Interestingly, I also notice that the file size (362mB) is the same as a PSD whereas the NEF file in 16bit uncompressed setting is of course 40mb. The TFF without the layers dropped to 190mB. Wow, TIF's and PSD are big files with layers, no wonder they get flattened first! Glad I have Lightroom for my NEF's.

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#79. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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My main problem with this move is that Adobe can lock me out of my own files at any time. The prices may be tolerable now, but they will go up over time. It's only a question by how much. And when some day I don't want to pay that monthly onus anymore, I will loose access to all my PSD files. With the old model, one could decide to stick with a given version, and it would work for existing files forever.

For now I'll keep using CS6. But it's time to look for alternatives to Adobe.

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I have spent years and many hours over those years learning how to do stuff in Photoshop. I am simply not interested in repeating that learning process all over again with a different photo editor. I have CS6 and will use it until it no longer works with my images.

  

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I agree that the "end-of-subscription" period is the most perplexing issue with this new model, and not having either the last stable release at your disposal (or some type of view, print, convert capability) for perpetuity is the biggest flaw with it.

Now, all software eventually gets to end of life and becomes mostly useless regardless of license model. I suspect none of us are still running WordPerfect yet managed to transition files and move along with new technology when needed. PSD files are viewable and editable by other software programs and they can be flattened and converted to TIFF if necessary. Certainly, there are more options than being locked out or pay a lifetime subscription to Adobe. When the time comes to transition to something else, I think we'll have choice.

For me, I'm going to give some serious thought to what does a transition from Lightroom eventually look like if future versions go to the cloud. I think trying to convert tens of thousands of old images to a new RAW developer is not worth it. Converting to JPG/TIFF would be possible of course, but having the last license available in perpetuity just seems necessary to me.

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Tom, that's always been a risk. Forget the Creative Cloud. Adobe could raise the price of boxed upgrades to the point that you don't like it and you would be in the same unenviable position vis as vis your files. But the file problem will happen to all of us down the road, when we upgrade our CPUs and need new versions of all of our software. There is little difference over time between Adobe box pricing and the Creative Cloud.

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Quite a a price increase nonetheless.


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not necessarily... VM software is an option nowadays.

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Jon I beg to differ, as Tom says h already has CS6 and no matter what happens in the future, CS6 will alway open any file Tom has processed with it. If sometime in the future Tom buys a camera that i not supported by ACR in CS6 then you get close to what you said,but he still can process all of his files up to that point. With CC if he stops pying for the subscription he has NO acces to his own files!

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#111. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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NL
          


>Tom, that's always been a risk. Forget the Creative Cloud.
>Adobe could raise the price of boxed upgrades to the point
>that you don't like it and you would be in the same unenviable
>position vis as vis your files. But the file problem will
>happen to all of us down the road, when we upgrade our CPUs
>and need new versions of all of our software. There is little
>difference over time between Adobe box pricing and the
>Creative Cloud.


For me, the issue really isn't about how much it costs. In the future (as I usually do in the present) if it costs more than I can afford, I won't buy it. So if future upgrades cost more than present upgrades, I can choose not to upgrade. But "not upgrading" and "not keeping up a subscription" are two fundamentally different things.

No, for me, the issue is having to continue to pay something I may or may not be able to afford two or three years from now in order to keep using something I can afford to use today.

You're right that eventually I won't have access to my PSD's if I don't upgrade Photoshop, but that is far more likely to be years from now. I was a WordPerfect die-hard until the universe forced me to switch to MSWord. But even though I was creating all my new documents in Word I still had complete access to my WP files for as long as my next two computers worked. That's a far cry from what would happen if at some point I was unable to keep up my Adobe subscription.

The last semester I was a teacher I took a loan and purchased CS4 Master Collection. I couldn't afford Photoshop at the time but I knew that outside of the education price I'd never be able to afford any of it, ever, so I took the one-time-only chance I had and bought everything. I intended to use it until upgrading my computer forced me to upgrade the program, at which point I would or would not be able to buy a later version (you can't upgrade education products). Thats years and years or usefulness I've got out of one box of software.

No way on earth I'd be able to do that in CC. And in reality, no way I'd want to. The learning curve I've been through to learn Photoshop (something I am now quite proud of, really), there'sno way on earth I'd have done that if the pricing had been "learn this program but it will only be a useful skill set for as long as you can keep up the monthly payments." CC makes me feel like I'm paying protection money to the mob: Keep up your payments and life will keep on going as you know it.

Education pricing? The idea is that students can buy a box and then after they graduate they still own the box. They can keep using the product until they can afford to upgrade, which may or may not come at the same time as they can afford the latest-and-bestest computer to run it on.

With the CC-model, students can spend four years using the thing while in school and then as soon as they graduate be faced with a (current rates) $50/month bill just to keep using the skills they've just spend four years learning.

How on earth this is supposed to be workable, let along useful, to anybody but people who use the software professionally and always with the latest version on the latest operating systems on the latest computers, I seriously fail to understand.


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#113. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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I think other's (Coral, Serif, Google(Nik)) will be seeing all the chatter which has become a focus of many forums and elsewhere. There is an opportunity here, the fear perhaps is of copyright protection. As an example, will a new "content aware" tool called by another name, find the software provider in court. I think Adobe know they've crossed all the T's and dotted all the I's with property rights, however, so did a certain camera/lens manufacturer when they took Sigma to court over the alleged copyright infringement of the VR v OS matter. The Plaintiff lost!

There must be others working long hours behind closed doors trying to be the next software provider to the masses, surely

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#114. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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San Jose, US
          

Adobe is not the only one with context aware tools, Capture NX2 from Nikon's brush tool is also context aware. Adobe is the king of pro apps, but others have plenty of PP aps that work jsut fine for amature photogs.

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#115. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Yes, I have and use Capture NX2, but the brush tool is not a patch on the content aware tool in CS5/6. It is very basic and compared to content aware extremely labour intensive in my view.

When CS5 was launched it saw a major advance in photo software not seen since CS2, few alternative packages can equal CS5/6, which is why so many folks are upset at Adobe's decision. As I've said before, there has never been a more opportune time for other providers to be pro active and give Adobe a bloody nose!

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#125. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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You are correct that it is not a patch tool, but it is a very good correction tool if used right. It is context aware, so it easily removes thing like phone wires. I agree it is harder to do larger areas unless you are careful, but it is working at the RAW level. If I have a big area to touch up and I have trouble in CNX2 I will do it in CS6 extended if necessary.

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As an amateur, I use LR4 and PSE10 and am satisfied with both products. Even though I had no plans to move To CS, this action by Adobe is of concern to me. I have to wonder when they will make the same decision for Lightroom.
While I like their products, I do not have the same confidence in their customer support. While using PSE9, my system developed a problem and it was necessary to reinstall PSE. I went to Adobe online customer support and there was no record of my ever purchasing PSE9. They did have a record of my purchasing PSE5. I had to purchase PSE10.
The biggest problem with this situation is that currently there is no alternative to Adobe software. The FAQs for NIK says their plugins are tested for compatibility with Adobe products only. This is a good opportunity for Corel and Google.

  

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A subscription for Photoshop will add costs to me, which I refuse to pay. I have seen comments that Microsoft is doing it too with Office 360, but at least Microsoft is giving an option to buy a license to Office 2013.

Adobe will lose my business if they implement this without the option to buy an upgrade license.

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Remember folks....Adobe is a PUBLIC Company. Their mandate is to enhance shareholder value. This will undoubtedly (in their mind at least) do exactly that. It will allow them to control their product nearly 100%, increase margins (they think) and hence....enhance shareholder value.

  

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<<Remember folks....Adobe is a PUBLIC Company.>>

Yep and hopefully that alone will encourage competition so to take the crown from the leaders head

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PSAGuy,
Shareholder value may be affected by the new delivery model, but you'd also expect them to come in with a nice list of new features and utilities that are designed to keep their customer base happy and thus nurture their bottom line. I am excited to see all of the new features in the upcoming release, because now more than ever, they have to deliver.

Adobe is so far ahead of whatever you might consider the second runner (I have no idea who that even could be) that hoping and waiting for the next company to catch up might take years to get to where Adobe is now. Corel PhotoPaint might be the company capable of delivering a competitive image editing program someday, and they have a lot of money to do it, but we've never seen them devote much attention to the product. Corel Painter 12 is okay for artistic rendering, but it is not Photoshop and not designed for photographers. Typically, you START working on an image in Painter AFTER you do all the post processing on the file in Photoshop.

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#101. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Yes, well, that is basically what I think. PS is my bread-and-butter developing machine,and the things I do I just can't do with another program. Gimp is fine as far as an 8bit application goes, and I never even tried the RAW-developer of them - couldn't use it for my camera (d800e). It is a shame that one is so much dependent on a single industrial product, but there it is, the dilemma of digital photography. I can only hope they will allow for subscriptions of not the whole bunch, but also just photoshop, and that the rate will be reasonable - or they might reconsider, as Microsoft is apparently just doing with Windows 8.

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#104. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Also, typical contract agreements for management sets bonuses based on share price increases. Put accountants and MBAs in charge and the product becomes irrelevant.

  

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I feel an obligation to point people at this article on that idea.

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Excellent article, David.
It brings back some good memories.

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#117. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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I signed up for the Creative Cloud when it was first released a year ago, and for the $30/month (first year only) I thought it was a good deal. I didn't use it for my LR (I have two separate stand-alone licenses for that), but PS, ID, Acrobat, and a few others readily handy was good stuff. Unfortunately, my first year is now up, and I just got hit with a $50 bill. I can't really justify $50/month for what I use CC for, so I'm going to be cancelling it next month. I can handle the $20/month for just the Photoshop that I need, and I'm considering InDesign for an additional $20 when my book projects start rolling, but it just isn't worth it to me for the full package.

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#118. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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>I can handle the
>$20/month for just the Photoshop that I need, and I'm
>considering InDesign for an additional $20 when my book
>projects start rolling, but it just isn't worth it to me for
>the full package.


Thanks for your post! In all the hullabaloo, I had noticed that I could subscribe to Photoshop for $19/month but was frustrated because I dip into a couple other programs from time to time. After having tasted the kool-aid called the Master Collection, I was really bummed about not being able to afford that kind of flexibility any more (don't know if I'll ever be able to afford the Master Collection again, but if I do it'll because of some kind of windfall or another. There's no way I can commit to $50 a month for the rest of my creative life.

But the solution you propose is so mind-numbingly straightforward I don't know how I didn't realize it. I had completely missed the fact that the $19/month doesn't just apply to Photoshop, it applies to any single application. Not only that, the $19/month doesn't require an annual commitment.

So I can join CC for just Photoshop. And if ever I have the need/desire coupled with an extra spare $20, I can subscribe to any of the other applications, for just that month.

Maybe this is getting workable?

Still not anything I LIKE, but maybe workable?

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#119. "RE: So Adobe says CS6 is the last without a subscription ..."
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Absolutely! The way I read the subscription page was that the (undiscounted) yearly price was $20 for each package SINGULARLY, and you can pick and choose which ones. For example, next month I plan to cancel the entire Suite, and subscribe to JUST Photoshop. In a couple months I may very well just add InDesign when I get the text of my eBook done, lay it out the way I want it, then just end the InDesign subscription. If you need more than two packages at a time, it just makes sense to subscribe to the entire Suite, anyway...

Since I've already subscribed to the Suite the first year it was released I'm not eligible for the $10/month for the first year, but for those that have never subscribed yet and are CS3 and up registered users, that may be an option to consider (the $10/month thing has been badly covered in many podcasts I've listened to recently).

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ajdooley Gold Member Nikonian since 25th May 2006Sun 16-Jun-13 07:55 PM
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All I can say to Adobe is, "Do you remember when K-Mart dominated the retail discount environment?"

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