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Hendric Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Jun 2008Tue 22-Dec-09 12:46 PM
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"Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
Sat 31-Jul-10 08:28 PM by walkerr

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Dear fellow Nikonians,

Our Partner Adobe is in the final status of their new Lightroom 3 launch. Since they are well aware of the huge knowledge database shared here in the Nikonians community, they have, decided to ask us for our opinion about the current Lightroom 3 Beta.

Whatever input you have, wishes, feedback, complaints -- Please feel free to post it here. The Nikonians feedback will be appreciated at Adobe.

So, this is your personal invitation to take part as the Nikonians community helps Adobe make a good software product even better.

If you would like to know more about the new Adobe Lightroom 3 beta, please feel free to visit the Adobe Labs Website.

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esantos Moderator Nikonians Resources Writer. Recognized for his outstanding reviews on printers and printing articles. Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas, including Landscape Photography Awarded for his extraordinary accomplishments in Landscape Photography. His work has been exhibited at the Smithsonian. Nikonian since 10th Nov 2002Tue 22-Dec-09 03:13 PM
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#1. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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McAllen, US
          

Hi Hendric,

Excellent news. I am sure Adobe will not be disappointed with the quality of the feedback they will receive from our very capable and informed members. It is a great time to be a Nikonian.

I will be available to assist in this effort in any way possible.

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Hendric Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Jun 2008Tue 22-Dec-09 03:32 PM
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#2. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Schwarzwald, DE
          

Thank you very much.

I appreciate that.

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rockawaybirder Registered since 31st Oct 2005Tue 22-Dec-09 06:35 PM
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#3. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Seattle, WA and Rockaway Beach, US
          

I appreciate that. I definitely would like to see at a minimium the ability to import video taken on a camera whether it be a DSLR, micro 4/3rds, or p/s. At a minimium it doesn't need to do anything else in terms of editting. More would be nice....but it is very problematic to have to copy these files separately to the harddrive.

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areohbee8 Registered since 29th Dec 2009Thu 07-Jan-10 10:49 AM
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#29. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Adobe will provide video importing/cataloging support or die. Presently most people with high-end still cameras don't shoot video with them. Within a year or so the number of "video too" shooters will be a lot bigger (Nikon D90, and Canon's new ones...). Ignoring this trend would be suicide - mark my words ;-}

  

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#36. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Englewood, US
          

>Adobe will provide video importing/cataloging support or die.
> Ignoring this trend would be suicide -mark my words ;-}
>
If only Nikon would take that approach with CaptureNX2/3/whatever.

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LarryCurrie Gold Member Nikonian since 14th Jan 2009Sat 29-May-10 04:47 PM
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#58. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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I just signed up for the Lightroomworkshops.com in Nashville in July. Does anyone know if they offer a Nikonian discount?

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keith5523 Registered since 30th Aug 2007Thu 24-Dec-09 02:16 PM
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#6. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Ernesto,

This is a great idea, but you're not getting many replies....

Are you allowed to cross post this in other Nikonian forums to get other opinions?

Surely, SOMEONE on this site has an opinion? lol

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ahubba Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Apr 2009Fri 25-Dec-09 04:14 PM
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#7. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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North Kingstown, US
          

I shoot in RAW plus JPEG. I like the way in ViewNX that you can delete them both as if there were only one file. I'd like that same capability in Adobe products - instead of having to delete two files if I don't like the shot

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areohbee8 Registered since 29th Dec 2009Thu 07-Jan-10 10:42 AM
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#28. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

>I like the way in ViewNX that you
>can delete them both as if there were only one file.

Lightroom can be configured to treat JPEG as RAW sidecar or separately. If being handled as sidecar, they are both deleted simultaneously, like in ViewNX.

  

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keith5523 Registered since 30th Aug 2007Tue 22-Dec-09 08:31 PM
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#4. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

I would like to see a better way to determine which photos contain voice memos. Maybe something as simple as seeing the little musical note in the thumbnail reviews?

Currently, I think the only way to find which images have voice files attached is to view the exif data in the library mode, and that takes a lot of time.

I'm a sports shooter, and like to make voice memos to remind me of game times/plays, etc. But it takes a lot of effort to identify those images in Lightroom 2.xx

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#5. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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I would like to be able to use the keyword library/structure when importing photos. this would make sure that the imported photos are using the same keyword heirarchal structure that the rest of my library uses...


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DaveBudnick Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Apr 2006Mon 28-Dec-09 12:12 AM
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I would like to see better use of the available screen space when in the library view showing thumbnails. It seems to me there is a lot of unused space around the actual photo portion of the cell in the grid. If a greater portion of the cell is the photo itself, you would be able to see more thumbnails on the screen.

I would also like the ability to turn off the filename but be able to show the filename when you hover over the thumbnail.

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keith5523 Registered since 30th Aug 2007Mon 28-Dec-09 12:38 AM
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Oh, Oh, Oh...here is a biggie for me...

I shoot sports and often load 300-500 images into LR. Last night, after a bowl game, I loaded 968 images. Then I'll quickly go through and flag them, and then start processing the keepers.

I never know how many more files I have to process. I know when I start that I may have 250, but while they're in a numerical order, I may have deleted many files.

I'd like a meter, count down or something. After working for an hour, I'm not sure how many images are left to process.

Keith
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Robp Gold Member Nikonian since 23rd Oct 2009Mon 28-Dec-09 05:58 AM
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Gainesville, US
          

Printing has always been problematic for me in large part because there are three major entities attempting involvement in the printing process. These are the Operating System, the Display/Editing Software, and the Printer/Driver.

There are multiple Operating Systems and each offers multiple color spaces and multiple "built-in" display software packages.

There are multiple Editing Software packages such as Photoshop CS4 or Lightroom and others and each editor offers choices as to management of the printing process.

Finally, the Printer via its Driver offers to take over control of the process or to allow the editor to assume control and offers many other options.

Lightroom 3 currently presents most of the printing options in the most logical fashion of editors which I have used; however, it could do better.

Lightroom 3 could acknowledge the existence of the Operating System and the Print Driver by presenting an "Overall Print Setup" page with every settable option shown and either preset or indicating a suggested setting for each contingency. Thus the Operating System would only be allowed a setting of RGB with a reasonable choice of monitor profile (probably default, user visual calibration, or measured calibration). The Printer/Driver would only be allowed the choice of paper size, type, and weight and would be set to "No Color Management". Lightroom 3 would be allowed (only) all remaining options which I think are ink/paper profile selection and rendering intent.

I realize that these selections are currently routinely made by users, but presenting them all on one page with only reasonable selections available would cut out much confusion and certainly obviate the VERY normal problem of multiple profile application prior to printing.

This would be a fairly elaborate coding exercise since interface to the operating systems and to various printer drivers would be required.

At a less demanding level of effort, in the Print Module, please interlock the selections available under the menu headings: File, Print Settings, Color Matching - such that ColorSync and Epson Print Controls are "grayed-out". These selections should not be possible when printing using either Lightroom 3 software control OR Printer Managed control.

This last request was generated because I was confused by finding the Print Settings driver page in TWO places, namely in the menu at the top to the page, then in the pop-up occurring after PRINT is selected at the bottom right of the page. I suggest that Adobe re-think this part of the display more thoroughly than just my "gray out" proposal to reduce similar confusion.

Thanks for the opportunity to indicate some sources of my printing consternation.

Rob

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#11. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Simpsonville, US
          

I have worked briefly with the application and reviewed the Kelby Training Lightroom 3 video. Overall, since I use Nik, Photoshop and Lightroom 2; I am not finding the additional value in the product that would encourage me to upgrade. There are some nice workflow improvements but I am not sure that these are enough to make the population run to Adobe for an upgrade fee.

Would be encouraged to see more advanced functionality like better picture framing (onOne Software), better B&W controls (Silver Light), etc. These are the tools that help you most in the creative process.

Regards,

Edward Baker

  

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#12. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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DE
          

Hi Hendric,

the slideshow module still lacks the function of a storyboard which allows to sort the slides in free sequence.

I wish all Nikoniansa happy new year!

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Monroe Township, US
          

As a longtime user of the CS series, I took the opportunity to try the Lightroom 3 beta, as I have never tried Lightroom before but have heard so much about it. After using it for quite a while now, I'd never go back to life before Lightroom. My request is simple. As someone who has set up and entire (large) catalog of shots, when I buy the soon-to-be-released version 3 (no beta), please make it compatible with the large catalog I have now assembled. I have tried to use just the basic tools, and have not added any add-ons or plug-ins.

Thanks. The program is really everything everyone says it is. You have created a convert to Lightroom, and I finally have everything organized and accessible.

  

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jbartee Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Dec 2008Mon 28-Dec-09 03:12 PM
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I would like to see the crop tool remember the last option used. When I am cropping a batch of photos to print they are usually all the same size. It is a pain to have to set the crop size for every photo.

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#31. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

You can copy the crop settings to the clipboard or save as a develop preset.

  

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I'm using Lightroom 2 on a relatively new iMac the OS of which I'm a novice. I can't find a reference in the CIB index as to how I can delete an empty folder from lightroom. Please add this to CIB for version 3.

  

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#32. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Just right-click (ctrl-click on Mac if I remember) the folder in the Library Module and select 'Remove' from the pop-up menu.

  

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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Mon 28-Dec-09 10:08 PM
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#16. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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I'm an aspiring pro (and am making lots of good progress) and have done lots of study towards those ends.

One factor that attracts me to NX2 is the demosaicizing. It's my understanding (from reading Ben Long's book on NX2) that demosaicizing is a closely-held trade secret of camera companies, and therefore, *only* Nikon software will produce true Nikon results. How significant that is, I have no idea.

Another issue I've heard is that other Raw editors don't give access to as many features/functions as NX2 does. Is that true for Lightroom (i.e., it can't match NX2 for Raw editing control)?

Third, I really want to limit myself to just one software program, so that I only have to learn & master one user interface, one software program to buy and upgrade, one program to contend with for working out bugs & complications that come along, etc. With that in mind, it would be nice if Lightroom had sufficient editing tools to do most of what a photographer might want to do in Photoshop.

Finally, I read that Lightroom has non-destructive editing. That's great news, and I didn't know that. I've come to appreciate that feature (a lot) in NX2. Question: is the file format designed to be compatible with non-Adobe applications?

Thanks,
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#27. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Canton, US
          

While that has been an often-cited advantage of using NX2 over any other RAW processing programs, I have yet to see where those subtleties make a significant difference where it really counts, the final print. Ultimately I think it comes down to a matter of taste. If I could see that NX2 was consistently "better" than LR or any other program, I would use it.

LR indeed has the editing tools that most photographers would ever need for most images. You might want to keep a program like Photoshop Elements in your back pocket for any problem images that require layers and masks. And as you note, the consistent user interface is a huge advantage over other solutions that require different programs for cataloging, converting, editing and printing. I'm looking forward to the release of LR3, which will hopefully be a great program even better!

Steve

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US
          

>It's my understanding (from reading Ben Long's book on NX2) that
>demosaicizing is a closely-held trade secret of camera
>companies, and therefore, *only* Nikon software will produce
>true Nikon results.

Its true that RAW conversion software is proprietary, however it is not true that nobody can do it as good as Nikon. At High ISOs, I think DxO Optics v6 output is better than either Lightroom 2.6 or NX2. At lower ISOs it depends on the photo - DxO has hard time with subtle shadow tones. I think its Adobe's plan to have Lightroom 3 be better than both DxO and NX2 (fingers crossed, but I can't tell it from the beta yet).


>Raw editors don't give access to as many features/functions as NX2 does.
>Is that true for Lightroom (i.e., it can't match NX2 for Raw editing
>control)?

NX2 has everything Lightroom has, editor-wise, and then some. Its the most powerful non-destructive editor I know of.


>Third, I really want to limit myself to just one software
>program.

Choose Lightroom. I use Lightoom exclusively on 99% of my photos because I hate having the complication and extra file/storage of round-tripping to an external editor. With sufficient Lightroom experience it is possible to get results very close to what you could in NX2 for example. It might not be the best for every single photo, but it'll be close, for all but the high-ISO ones anyway. Hopefully that last part will be false in a few months (Lr3).


>Is the file format designed to be compatible with non-Adobe
>applications?

The Big Print giveth file format compatibility, but the Small Print taketh away: Its the proprietary information inside the files that limit the usefulness of opening "compatible files" in other applications. The non-destructive edit settings list springs to mind.

  

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alanmcd Registered since 17th Feb 2009Tue 29-Dec-09 10:17 AM
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#17. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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AU
          

At first glance it appears faster. That's great.
But my first query is in the Import function.
make a second copy to - it does not obey the master copy instruction to copy to sub-folder structure. The files just get copied to the selected folder. That's a shame. I like to do a beyond compare occasionally to ensure my backup (second) copy is identical. The absence of the sub-folder structure makes that impossible.
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gnashan Registered since 19th Aug 2004Tue 29-Dec-09 11:26 AM
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US
          

I have been very impressed with LS3 Beta. As a LS1&2 user I have seen great improvements in each upgrade. It has become a major part of my workflow and replaced 75% of my use of CS4.
Key features I'd love to see added are:
Import Photos
- the ability to view thumbnails in the import dialog box and the ability to select which images will be moved/copied/added, as with Nikon Transfer. I shoot multiple events in a day and would like to download each seperately.
- the ability to move/copy to a folder named with the date & time the first shot selected was shot. I wind up renaming folders from the download date-time to the first shot date-time, which breaks the link between catalog and download folder.
- the ability to move/copy to primary and backup folders at once, as with Nikon Transfer.
Slideshow Module
- storyboarding
- more editing options in the Intro and Ending screen dialog box, such as more than one line of text, insert graphics, saving layouts.
- saving with music soundtrack.
-more slideshow file formats
General
- make it easier to move file folders and catalogs without breaking the link between them.
- I second the request for less wasted space in the grid view.
- put all the filtering options, including color tags and keywords in one dialog box that is always available.
Thank you, Adobe Team, for a great job, so far.

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alanmcd Registered since 17th Feb 2009Tue 29-Dec-09 07:35 PM
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#19. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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AU
          

gnashan,
You can view thumbnails in the import. Just expand the import dialog.
You can rename the folders without breaking anything, just rename them in the LR browser (not windows explorer).
You've been able to do this since the LR1
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alanmcd Registered since 17th Feb 2009Tue 29-Dec-09 08:11 PM
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#20. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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AU
          

I've been doing a lot of scanning lately. Now I know the develop module is not meant to be exhaustive but something which would save me a lot of time (exiting to CS and back) for this task would be to have teh clone tool able to paint instead of just a single touch area. Being able to drag along a negative's scratch mark using the adjacent sky color as per CS would be really good. Instead of clicking my way down the line.
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areohbee8 Registered since 29th Dec 2009Fri 08-Jan-10 03:46 AM
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#33. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

To pAint better than a pOint, but if we have to live with a point, being able to rotate it would be a big plus.

  

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areohbee8 Registered since 29th Dec 2009Tue 29-Dec-09 10:42 PM
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#21. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

Lightroom 3 Wish-list (feature requests)
========================================


Presets:
--------

- Implement presets for Import, like they exist for Export.
- Be able to include a comment with the preset definition.



Libary Module:
--------------

- separate metadata date into two:
1 - those that represent things that would only alter exported metadata.
2 - those that would alter image data.
this way, exports may be avoided that dont include metadata or dont care about metadata,
if no changes have been made to the image itself.
- ability to pause an export, and maybe set priority to low and/or limit to one core... -
to minimize cpu consumption during long exports.
- more control over metadata included in exported files, for example:
I may want keywords, but not developer settings.
- Keyword organization - really hard to move a keyword into a sub-category when its not nearby -
almost impossible to keep from scrolling past the drop target, and drag-n-drop is only way I know.
Example solution: move-keyword option.
- Have option to forget JPEG sidecar - in bulk, and remove NEF+JPEG designation.
- Allow cataloging of video, and thumbnail display, with option for launching external editor / player.



Develop Module:
--------------

- relative editing adjustments and corresponding preset. Examples:
- increase the tint by 2 upon import.
- increase exposure by .10 on all selected photos.
- save xmp for virtual copies too.
- dust brush instead of dust spot.
- have luminance noise reduction be subject to selection/masking - due to its smearing effect, I rarely want to apply it to an entire image, typically just the areas without much subject detail.
- note: sharpness masking, and/or local de-sharpening is a surprisingly good substitute for strategic noise reduction.
- better auto-masking.
- Ability to define masks in more ways than just brush/linear-gradient, e.g. auto-masking controls - that are even better than Nik's U-point technology - like the ability to specify which factors are taken into consideration, and at what weight - like colors, luminosity, texture, ..., and the ability to specify control paths instead of just points.
- Ability to invert the masks.
- The ability to associate any set of adjustments with the masks, and
- apply the adjustments, or
- exclude the adjustments.
- It would be great to be able to use a 2nd monitor thusly: lock a "before" snapshot in one monitor for comparison whilst editing in the other monitor.
- The ability to treat overexposed regions as "white" - that way, for example, one could apply a blue-ish color with the local brush to regions of sky that are over-exposed.



Slideshow Module
----------------

- Slideshow should be interruptible so photo being displayed can be edited, then slideshow continued.
- Continue slideshow when switching to another application. (check Lr3 ###1)
- Slideshow should listen to keyboard, so photos can be added to quick collection via 'B' key, and info could be hidden or shown using 'i' key, etc.



Filters/Collections:
--------------------

- Option to exclude photos that are down in a collapsed stack from a collection.
- All things discernable should be possible in filters and collections.
- Regular expression option for filter/collections.
- Be able to group items with logical connection, instead of global All or Any, for example:
- all of these things AND any one of those things...
or at a minimum, specifically:
- filename or whatever does NOT start with, or end with...
- Be able to include a comment with the collection definition.
- Be able to show which photos are NOT included in the selected collection - invaluable in
trouble-shooting collection rules.



SDK:
----

- FTP
- get-directory-contents
- option to set remote date to last-modified-date of source file, instead of current time of remote host.
- I'd really like to have access to all Lightroom application features from the SDK, but I realize that may be asking a bit much. Here a few specific requests:
- Be able to put a photo into the quick collection, and/or recent export collection, and the error collection, or any other collection.
This would allow me to write an export plugin that keeps track of which items were successfully exported, and which had troubles.
Or it could be used as a make-shift filter for things missing in filter support now, like the simple ability to get a list of
all photos missing this field or that (e.g. empty field checking is an option for keywords and caption, but not job identifier field).
A spin-off would be the useful capability to write custom (scripted) filters for smart collections or the filter bar.



General
-------

- Have back button remember thumbnail scroll position / selected photo(s). (I think Lr3 does this. Lr2 certainly does not)
- Plug-in Manager browser: please allow a text field so I don't have to reselect a dozen subfolders before I get to the plugin I've already got open in Explorer.
- Likewise all other folder/file browsers.
- Option to write rendered jpegs back to source directory. Better still would be the ability to configure multiple auto-export trees,
such that rendered jpegs could be written back to source, and/or another destination or two - using different export settings.
I have written an export plugin to do this, but why not build it into Lightroom?



Bugs:
-----

- BUG: Local brush goes haywire when dialog box displayed, e.g. export completed.

  

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alanmcd Registered since 17th Feb 2009Fri 01-Jan-10 12:27 AM
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#22. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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AU
          

Flickr as Publish Services:
Create a connection. Publish a photo. Change and update all works fine.
Now delete the photo from within the flickr interface.
If you try to delete the photo from Lr, it's marked as ready to remove. But it can't be removed because it's not there and you get an error. The only way to remove it is to delete the connection and recreate a new one. This, of course, forces the establishment of all new photo content.

Needs to be a way of removing from the photoset i.e. without synch with flickr.
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alanmcd Registered since 17th Feb 2009Fri 01-Jan-10 12:32 AM
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#23. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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AU
          

Memory Use:
I know this is a hard one but I was hoping for improvement in Lr3.
The more time you spend in develop module the more ram gets used up. It's obviously needed to carry out all the real time adjustments and ability to undo etc etc. Not complaining about that. But I was hoping for a way to free up the ram used in the dev module without resorting to closing and re-opening Lr. When you are done with a photo in dev and you want to move on to another one, love there to be a way of "unloading" the first one.
Eventually you can reach "out of memory" errors, close and restart fixes it.
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alanmcd Registered since 17th Feb 2009Sat 02-Jan-10 05:21 AM
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#24. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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AU
          

BUG: Filters:
For some reason the flag attribute filter does not work.
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areohbee8 Registered since 29th Dec 2009Fri 08-Jan-10 03:49 AM
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#34. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

Works for me, but it took me a while to get the hang of it, its a bit tricky ;-}

  

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alanmcd Registered since 17th Feb 2009Sun 03-Jan-10 12:16 AM
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#25. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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AU
          

Import Improvements:
Wow this is slow! - needs a lot of work.
It's no good offering the previous folder in the abbreviated FROM list, you've done that folder already. You need to offer the parent folder as a start point. Navigating the network folder structure each time is a real pain.
With each upgrade to Lr4, 5 etc, if you are forced to recreate a catalog each time, then locating folders on network drives really needs to be speeded up.
There should be a choice to not show previews until you'd finished navigating. And/or turn off the search for photos until you decide to preview. I don't want to know that I have thousands of photos on my Z drive each time i'm trying to locate a sub-folder 5 dirs deep on the drive.
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#26. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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NO
          

Ability to view embedded jpg's in RAW-files

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areohbee8 Registered since 29th Dec 2009Fri 08-Jan-10 03:55 AM
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#35. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Fri 08-Jan-10 04:28 AM by areohbee8

US
          

In the mean time, you can use preview-extractor to get at them. I have tied preview-extractor to a menu item via plugin, which I just put on my website at www.robcole.com/Rob/ProductsAndServices/MiscLrPlugins

  

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marvinlange Registered since 20th Oct 2008Mon 11-Jan-10 11:25 PM
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#37. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

In the LR2 import process, it appears that there is no way to see the dates of the images to be downloaded, and to select them by date, unless one chooses the option to organize "by date." This results in the creation of a sub-folder within the folder designated in the "Copy to" dialog, just above.

It is possible to avoid the creation of the sub-folder by choosing the option to organize "into one folder." When that option is chosen, however, the ability to review and select images by date is lost.

I wish to organize "into one folder," but to review and select by date.

Thanks.

  

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tenorman Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Oct 2008Tue 12-Jan-10 10:38 AM
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#38. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

I'm a Mac Powerbook user and am taking advantage of Adobe's 30-day trial to look at Lightroom 2 (2.5?). I currently use Aperture 2 but have been disappointed with the general post-editing features although the file management tools are nice. I haven't done much with Lightroom yet but the post-processing tools are much better from what I can see, although I need a tutorial since I don't find the application entirely intuitive.

I can live with the more complex/less intuitive features but the show-stopper for me right now is Lightroom's stability on my Powerbook. Aperture has NEVER hung or died on me in the past year, but Lightroom has hung twice and crashed about 3 times in 2 days. I don't know if it's the way I imported my files, or if I'm doing something else wrong, but I can't live with it hanging or crashing on me.

Hence the reason for my post regarding Lightroom 3. For those who ARE Lightroom users on the Mac, I don't know if application hanging or crashing has been a problem. But I would hope LR3 would be more stable for me on the Mac.

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#43. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Englewood, US
          

>Hence the reason for my post regarding Lightroom 3. For those
>who ARE Lightroom users on the Mac, I don't know if
>application hanging or crashing has been a problem. But I
>would hope LR3 would be more stable for me on the Mac.

So far, (fingers crossed) LR3/Beta is running just fine here. iMac 2.66GHz Core 2Duo,
4Gb ram, Snow Leopard 10.6.2. In my opinion, Lightroom still doesn't match the RAW
handling capability of CaptureNX2, but it has nice organizational tools. I probably
won't switch from NX2; here's hoping the next version of CaptureNX has some file organizing
capabilities built in, like keywording.

There are certain things you don't discuss with Ansel, especially if you don't agree.
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marvinlange Registered since 20th Oct 2008Tue 12-Jan-10 01:36 PM
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#39. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

Couple of minor things:

In the library, a way to contract all folders (or something equivalent to solo mode, so that when one folder is open, any other open one closes).

A way to increase the width of the sliders on the left and right sides of the screens. Now they're very narrow and sometimes hard to grab and move.

  

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#40. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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I am using CS4 ACR rather than Lightroom and would like to see the snapshot sections automatically have "Original and Last Saved" in addition to the ability to add any version you want.

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keith5523 Registered since 30th Aug 2007Tue 12-Jan-10 09:30 PM
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#41. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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US
          

I'd like to have a way, without mogrify, to add a frame or drop shadow around a photograph.

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Jose Andres Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Mar 2003Wed 13-Jan-10 01:45 AM
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#42. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Buenos Aires, AR
          

hi Hendric


I think what lightroom users are waiting for is that Adobe adds SOFT PROOFING to LR. ON the print module, it would be great to add plugins for large format printers, like Epson 3880 or Canon IPF 5100, to name but a few.

ON the other hand, another great news would be to try to integrate key wording, labels, selects, etc between NX2 and LR3.


Jose, nikonian
from Santiago del Estero, Argentina
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reynog Registered since 22nd Sep 2008Fri 22-Jan-10 12:00 AM
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#44. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Northern Atlanta, US
          

How will Adobe handle upgrades if I just bought LR2?

  

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Lthole Gold Member Nikonian since 16th Feb 2006Fri 22-Jan-10 09:47 PM
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#45. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Evergreen, US
          

I use both 2 and 3 with Nik plugins and edit in items for PSCS3 and NX2. In 3 I have noticed some false error messages when choosing a plugin. Error messages while plugin is loading then goes away. I assume this is just a beta thing but not positive.
However my biggest problem is the way the "edit in" renames files. If you use multiple filters or go to PS and back you end up with bird 123 edit1, bird 123 edit2, and so on. Now there might be a way to fix this but I have not found it yet. It would be nice to set some other default name scheme.

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ROD H Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Jun 2007Tue 02-Feb-10 02:38 PM
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#48. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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MELVILLE, US
          

We wnet from LR 1 to R 2 for a $ 100.00 last time,, Lets hope we will be able to do that again.

  

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justaccord Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Jul 2007Fri 05-Feb-10 03:04 AM
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#49. "Upgrades for recent purchasers of LR2"
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US
          

My question also.

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HT Registered since 20th Apr 2008Mon 25-Jan-10 09:41 AM
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#46. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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AU
          

Could you please make the batch renaming tool in LR like the tool used in Bridge...renamimg files is part of a standard workflow (well, in my world anyway!) and the tool in Bridge is both simplier to understand and easier to use than LR, without giving up any flexibility.

Other than that, I only started using LR a few months ago and am coming to like it, a lot. My hard-won CS skills are rusting away though...


  

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#47. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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Canton, US
          

One thing I would like to see would be better integration with plug-ins, where programs like SilverEfex Pro could be used directly on RAW files instead of first having to convert to a TIF.

Steve

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DMAnthony Registered since 22nd Oct 2008Thu 25-Mar-10 02:48 PM
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#52. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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CA
          

>One thing I would like to see would be better integration
>with plug-ins, where programs like SilverEfex Pro could be
>used directly on RAW files instead of first having to convert
>to a TIF.

I too would love to see this. It would save hard drive space immensely over time. If LR even only allowed adding effects from plugins to virtual copies of images, that would be nice.

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akmartinez1 Gold Member Nikonian since 12th Jan 2005Tue 23-Mar-10 04:46 PM
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#50. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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San Francisco, US
          

I've not downloaded LR Beta 3 yet but I will and try it out to see what changes work for me.

I'm using LR 2.5 on my main system and I just setup a Netbook and I'm using LR 2.6 on that to play with.

First, because I'm using a netbook for travel and outings I'm hoping LR 3 will still work on it with the lower screen resolution. Adobe's ACR in PS comes up with a warning that a screen resolution of 1024x768 is required to use ACR but you can continue to load and use ACR but not have access to the buttons and other window items that are off screen because you can't get to them. I think more and more people will start using netbooks for travel and it would be good to continue LR support or capabilites on them.

Second, using LR 2.5 on my main laptop, when I was on the road I would import the photos from the CF card to my local C: drive. My main photo catalog is on a separate drive that I keep at home. When I connect to my main photo catalog I have a hard time dragging and dropping the imported photos from my C: drive to the main catalog. If the folder already exists on the main catalog you can't drag and drop the desired folder on top of it and have it merge, it just shows the circle with a hash through it. It would be nice to be able to sync or merge the folders to the main catalog without having to do an export and then separate import, if that even works becaus I haven't tried it because it seems like too many steps... On a related issue, I'll be leaving my main laptop and external drive with the main catalog at home. It would be nice to be able to sync or merge the catalog on my netbook that I'll be travelling with to the main system.

I'll download the beta this afternoon and start playing with it.

  

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guyparker Registered since 21st Dec 2005Wed 24-Mar-10 06:29 PM
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#51. "RE: Lightroom - Nikonians help Adobe developing Lightroom 3."
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I'd like for compare view (XY) to show the original photo (UNCROPPED) vs the edited photo cropped if you have cropped it. At the moment it shows the original version in comparison mode as cropped also. The whole idea is that I want to see if the crop looks better than uncropped - for this I need the X comparison to not be cropped.

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Danbie Registered since 31st May 2009Wed 31-Mar-10 03:41 AM
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I tried Lightroom ver 2 for about a month and then went back to Photoshop and Bridge. With a little know-how, I could do everything that I need to do with the Bridge and Photoshop set-up in a relatively smooth work-flow process. I also have plug-ins for photoshop and I don't want to lose these nor rebuy them so they work in Lightroom.
I found the Lightroom concept to be interesting, but not really useful. The biggest problem I see is sustainability. Several years ago I used photoshop elements and this also used the same database & nondestructive editing concept. Problem was that after a year my software needs changed and all that catalog info was lost. For sustainability reasons, I'd rather write the information to the actual file and use layers for non-destructive edits, and then just rename the file when I need to keep a "destructive edit".

If lightroom could manage about 500,000 photos in one catalog and do this very fast ... then I might be a bit more interested. But I can't keep all my photos in one bucket ... so I still have to keep the photos organized by catalogs. But I can do that with things called Folders, Keywords, and Ratings within Bridge - and these work with other software and operating systems. If I want to find a photo that I took 5 or even 10 years ago, the best chance I have to find it is to keep my files well organized and in a format that sustainable. Will lightroom still be around in five or ten years and will I be able to read that catalog?

If you really want to make an impact, then put Lightroom into a CS suite ... perhaps one for photograhpers. Blend a fast non-destructive lightroom work-flow process with the Bridge process (perhaps write to the file in a batch process that starts every night at 2AM or something). Make the workprocess efficient using Photoshop (why re-invent the wheel?) with outputs to web supported by Dreamweaver and outputs to print supported with a well thought-out and integrated color management system.
Another issue is will Lightroom 3 have the content-aware fill that is coming with CS5? This looks like an extremely powerful tool ... why not work within the CS suite systems instead of competing with it? Afterall, I really don't feel like dishing out another $300 for lightroom after I spend about $600 to upgrade to a CS5 suite. I'd rather buy another 2 TB hard drive with that $300.

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justaccord Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Jul 2007Wed 31-Mar-10 03:55 AM
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Soft-proofing.

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Ferguson Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Wed 07-Apr-10 02:33 AM
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I love lightroom. I like the new LR3B2. Please take this as constructive....

Please- less emphasis on features and more on reliabilty!

I use it (old and new). It is decent, rarely loses data, crashes are infrequent, but I am SO tired of photo software that is flakey. I completely gave up on Capture because of that.

LR is usable. It is not awful. But both Lightroom and PS's out-of-the-box quality has seemed to go down a bit with each new release. Really cool features, and a lot of frustration of users.

I like it, I use it -- this is not bashing. Read all most postings recommending it. It is begging -- there are those of us out there who would treat "improved reliability" as a feature as important as any others.



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Crabby Guy Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Feb 2004Tue 27-Apr-10 09:53 PM
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My request is for soft proofing for printing from LR3.

Adrian


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gmmatthe Registered since 16th Aug 2004Thu 13-May-10 07:17 AM
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Overall, I have settled on LR as my only tool for 99% of my Photo management. Integrating multiple tools is not worth it. LR does enough I can live with the limitations. Except for performance. So far, LR3 does not seem any faster for import, and only somewhat faster for browsing, than LR2. I have Intel Q6700, 8 GB RAM, and several 1-2 TB drives, Win7 x64, 2x 30" display (thank you so much for dual display support). My largest "shoot" was a week in HI when I took 10,000 (120 GB) of images.

So it's important that import performance be as fast as you can make it, including preview generation.

I currently have about 90,000 digital images (about 650 GB of mostly RAW files). I have to use 2 catalogs in LR2, bigger than that and things slow down. My needs w/in 2 years will be for 200,000 images. My desire is for a single catalog for all if performance were not an issue. And, stability is of course just as much an issue. I delete nothing - simply because storage is cheap, and it takes more time to run a delete workflow IMO. I rate and filter instead.

There should be no extra waiting on first opening LR for a big catalog. If I select all images (40k in one catalog today), it should not get wrapped around it's finger trying to figure out all the keywords across then, and slow down everything while that happens. Today, I have to change the state of the GUI to remove panes that will be problematic before doing a large selection, for instance.

It seems useful to support "paired" catalogs where one is a strict subset of the other. For instance, one has all images. a second has only images with 2 or more stars. I would keep a copy of the 2 star catalog on a notebook, and a second copy of it on the same workstation with the full catalog. Idea being I can view all images in the full catalog if I'm looking for something, but normally would use the 2 star catalog when creating slideshows, prints, etc, because that is the more useful set. Issue being would need to keep two raw images trees in sync, one again a subset of the other, which could be done with Beyond Compare, or Beyond Sync, or other tools, but better in LR. Also, if I decided to add stars to a previously un-starred image (obviously must be done in the "all" catalog), to have that picked up in the 2 star catalog without having to remember to do a manual import. I could today do this partly by only copying the preview cache, and not having the raw images available (ie, export a 2 star catalog), but alas see my other point on inefficient storage of previews, which makes this not work so well. Export today gets partway to this, but i would with that mechanism always wonder if they were really in sync. I want LR to manage keeping them in sync.

The way you store previews on windows is very inefficient in NTFS. Storing a single file or a few files in each folder in a huge tree is slow to create, manage, backup, etc. It has to have an impact on LR performance too. Case in point running Retrospect Backup when it gets to creating the catalog snapshot it has to iterate through the preview folder tree, and it takes 15 to 20 minutes for a 40k image LR catalog. Even if you exclude the previews from backup, Retrospect will still iterate through when creating the snapshot. I had been storing the previews via a junction and so on another drive, which does keep Retrospect from seeing them. But then I moved to an external drive that I move between computers, and this fell apart (not going to carry 2 external drives just because of the preview issue). Just copying the preview folder or moving it takes many minutes. I've considered using SSD, but my preview cache today is >256GB (I keep full size previews of all images). On a Mac, it's a file. You moved it to NTFS and probably wrote a driver to implement the storage scheme with a map into the file system. But you chose the most inefficient model you could have for NTFS, probably so you didn't have to change the schema you brought from the Mac. Please fix this.

A way to keep keyword sets in sync between catalogs. Today I have several catalogs, but I want a common keyword library. When I make mistakes today and get them out of sync, it's not practical to resync them w/o pulling my hair out.

Add a sort option to sorty by size. This supports for instance quickly culling images if you have different sized instances of some images, and you are ready to remove the smaller instances.

Make keyword sets larger. 9 keywords is simply not enough. 18 or 20 is possibly enough. Don't make me switch between sets for what to me is the same category of keywording job just because I have more than 9 I'm working with.

Cache previews possibly 5 images in each direction from the current image, in a read-ahead predictive fashion. If I have a large RAW cache defined, use it, and again in a read-ahead fashion. Be predictive, not trailing. You do seem to cache the next image in a forward direction, but not in reverse, and if I'm viewing full size, sometimes it seems to remember as I'm going back and forth, sometimes it seems to forget, and read the preview again. Include caching the histogram also. Make it VERY fast to switch back and forth between similar images - even the first time (when they are "near" each other, and so you can predict I might compare them). Really, this is what impacts me day to day more than anything else. Make this as fast on a slower notebook as on my fast workstation.

Support 6 and more core processors (which means at least 12 with HT) - they are already available today. Please think farther ahead.

Allow copying of lat/lon GPS data between photos. I know you don't want to edit the raw file. but i have a backup - let me do it. Make it easy such as with the metadata sync feature, so I can choose one file I know was taken later with GPS data and sync that back to others I know were from the same location, but before I had a camera GPS.

I just bought a Flip, and I sometimes take .mov and other formats with my digital camera. The more video support you can provide the better. As a minimum, when I import, you MUST at least recognize the video files, copy them, and catalog them. Otherwise I am human, and I may lose them accidentally. Please don't ignore files that are found on camera memory cards. Please.

All backup copies of images should have the same file structure as the primary copy that was imported. If I import in place, backup copies should be supported, including the folder structure. Support an option to do binary compare after write of the copies.

Greg Matthews

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