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bdecker432 Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2013Mon 25-Nov-13 01:54 AM
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"Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"


Tulsa, US
          

I have a D3200 and am in the unending quest for more sharpness. Yes, I know I need to work on technique. Assuming I can master the technique, will I get a noticeable improvement by upgrading to the D5300 which does not have an anti-alising filter?

Thanks for your input.

Bob

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Nikon D7100 & Nikon D3200
Nikkor AF-S DX 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR
Nikkor AF-S DX 35mm F/1.8
Nikkor 55-200mm F/4.0-5.6 AF-S
Nikkor AF-S DX 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II
Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 EX DC (OS)* HSM

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KnightPhoto Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2006Tue 26-Nov-13 01:55 AM
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#1. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Tue 26-Nov-13 02:03 AM by KnightPhoto

Alberta, CA
          

You can probably take a somewhat parallel lesson from the D800 vs. D800E debate. In that one the D800E has a small sharpness advantage:
- but you can sharpen the D800 to very close to the D800E;
- removal of anti-aliasing is an advantage in low-light, because you have to sharpen less to achieve the same sharpness. By sharpening less one avoids exacerbating any noise present in the image. If you often shoot above ISO 1600 this may be an advantage for you.
- D800E only gets an advantage at f/5.6 and wider (I.e. f/1.4, f/2, f/2.8, f/4, and f/5.6). Narrower apertures such as f/8, f/11, and smaller show no advantage for the D800E due to sharpness losses due to diffraction.

Edit: I might add that the D5300 looks like a superb camera, the addition of the 39-point AF, commensurate with the D610 and Df is a major uptick in the feature set (of both the D5200 and D5300) and wireless is a major advantage in the connected world of today (although you can still get a WU-1A for your D3200).

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bdecker432 Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2013Tue 26-Nov-13 12:12 PM
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#2. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Tulsa, US
          

Thanks for the informative reply. Your information on low-light and aperture is very helpful.

I am seriously considering upgrading to the D5300. It has some interesting features (wireless, GPS, tilt rear screen) that would come in very handy.

Thanks

Bob

  

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dagoldst Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd Dec 2012Sun 01-Dec-13 12:32 PM
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#3. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Sun 01-Dec-13 12:40 PM by dagoldst

Little Rock, US
          

>I am seriously considering upgrading to the D5300. It has
>some interesting features (wireless, GPS, tilt rear screen)
>that would come in very handy.
>

Those features, IMO, are a little bit better reason to buy a D5300 than the AA filter. However, they'd not be enough to tempt me because no Nikon DSLR at this time focuses well in live view to make the tilt LCD something I would use, and you can get a wireless WU-1a adapter for the D3200. So that just leaves the GPS function.

Your camera will produce sharp images, and good lenses would make the biggest difference. If you are still shooting the kit lens, replacing it would be a good place to start - say the 18-105mm VR, which is a great lens with a good focal length range and is easily corrected for in software like Lightroom for any pincushion/barrel distortion issues and/or chromatic aberration.

David

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bdecker432 Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2013Sun 01-Dec-13 02:41 PM
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#4. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Tulsa, US
          

I was generally unhappy with the sharpness I was getting. My initial thought was to get a better camera and lenses (NAS). But, this and other forums have convinced me that I should be able to get very good sharpness with the equipment I have.

May new theory is post-processing techniques. I shoot in RAW and process with Apple's Aperture. I have not been applying any sharpening in post-processing except the default that Aperture applies during RAW processing. Based on experimentation, this is very mild sharpening. Aperture's Edge Sharpening brick is also very modest.

I tried NIK Sharpening Pro 3.0. plug-in. WOW, what a range of control. I am able to find a level of sharpening that looks pleasing. I have been reprocessing some pictures that look dull and uninteresting. I am taking these dull pics and using NIK plug-ins (both Color Efex Pro 4 and Sharpening Pro 3.0) to create some interesting pictures. I believe my best investment for now will be to develop my shooting and post-processing skills.

Thanks for the insight you shared. It saved me from spending a lot of money with little, if any, improvement in image quality.

Bob



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Nikon D7100 & Nikon D3200
Nikkor AF-S DX 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR
Nikkor AF-S DX 35mm F/1.8
Nikkor 55-200mm F/4.0-5.6 AF-S
Nikkor AF-S DX 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II
Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 EX DC (OS)* HSM

Shooting landscapes and young grandchildren

  

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dagoldst Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd Dec 2012Sun 01-Dec-13 05:52 PM
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#5. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>I believe my best
>investment for now will be to develop my shooting and
>post-processing skills.
>
>Thanks for the insight you shared. It saved me from spending
>a lot of money with little, if any, improvement in image
>quality.

Bob,

Just a general observation, but few of us actually eke out all the capability of our cameras, but shooting in RAW and properly post processing is critical to that process of making the best possible image. Another thing beyond sharpening is proper contrast, which can raise the apparent sharpness of an image as well as getting saturation for color shots and toning for B&W images correct. There is a lot to learn in making a image really look good.

I am curious, what area of photography are you focusing on now? A lot of people go into landscape, and that is a great place to learn about shooting technique, use of a good quality tripod, and of course, post processing and printing.

David

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#6. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Tulsa, US
          

I am shooting mainly landscape -- Colorado mountains, trees and color. I have concluded the my equipment is good enough for now (Nikon D3200, Nikon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G, Nikon 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G , Nikon 55-200mm F/4.0-5.6, Nikon 35mm f1.8, Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8, Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 tripod, Manfrotto 498RC2 MDI Ballhead). I am going to focus on practicing and refining my technique.

Thanks for your help, insight and interest.

Bob

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Nikkor AF-S DX 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR
Nikkor AF-S DX 35mm F/1.8
Nikkor 55-200mm F/4.0-5.6 AF-S
Nikkor AF-S DX 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II
Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 EX DC (OS)* HSM

Shooting landscapes and young grandchildren

  

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#37. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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US
          

Happy New Year Bob!
INHO, your Nikkor 35mm f1.8 is likely the sharpest lens you listed, and should give you great sharpness even with the D3200. For example, I shoot the D5200 (same AA filter as your camera), plus the 35mm f1.8 as well as the Nikkor 16-85. Using good technique, a solid Gitzo or Manfrotto tripod, the Nikon IR Remote, low ISO, mid range apertures, etc., my sharpness obtained is quite good. Please see my gallery for sample images. That said, I too, am a sharpness nut, and am still curious as to how much more sharpness I could obtain using a non-AA camera!
Question please: You list a D7100 in your Profile...isn't that performing better than the D3200 in terms of image sharpness?
Good luck sir!


>I am shooting mainly landscape -- Colorado mountains, trees
>and color. I have concluded the my equipment is good enough
>for now (Nikon D3200, Nikon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G, Nikon 18-105mm
> f/3.5-5.6G , Nikon 55-200mm F/4.0-5.6, Nikon 35mm f1.8,
>Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8, Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 tripod, Manfrotto
>498RC2 MDI Ballhead). I am going to focus on practicing and
>refining my technique.
>
>Thanks for your help, insight and interest.
>
>Bob
>

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#39. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
In response to Reply # 37


Tulsa, US
          

I was stumped on why my photos did not look sharp. This thread helped me identify my problem.
It was in post processing. I began shooting exclusively in RAW and use Apple Aperture for post processing. The default sharpening in Aperture is very minor. Additional sharpening in Aperture (and at times using the NIK plug-in to sharpen) made a world of difference. I am now able to reprocess pictures that were not sharp and they now look very good now.

I initially thought I wanted the D5300 because of the WIFI, GPS, tillable screen and no AA filter. But the Nikon's WIFI and GPS implementations are meager. Interesting gimmicks but not a reason to buy a camera.

This thread got me thinking about my real needs and where I want to invest. My D3200 and lens can take very good photos. First priority is more practice on technique and learning experiences.

Santa Claus was very generous this year and gave me a new camera for Christmas. The discussion on D5300 versus D7200 in this thread was very helpful. I opted for the D7200 because of better AEB and more external controls. I didn't really need it but am enjoying it. I am thinking this camera will last me for a long time.

Thanks to all who made inputs on this thread. It was really helpful in solving my sharpness problem and selecting my next camera.

Bob

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Nikon D7100 & Nikon D3200
Nikkor AF-S DX 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR
Nikkor AF-S DX 35mm F/1.8
Nikkor 55-200mm F/4.0-5.6 AF-S
Nikkor AF-S DX 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II
Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 EX DC (OS)* HSM

Shooting landscapes and young grandchildren

  

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DraganDL Registered since 08th Nov 2013Sat 14-Dec-13 12:20 AM
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#36. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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CS
          

Bear in mind that the (factory) default level of sharpness is rather low on lots of Nikon (and not only Nikon) cameras, so it should be increased, anyway, within the "menu settings" if you are looking for higher out-of-he-camera sharpness. I can bet that switching to D5300 would NOT bring you better results in that sense (not in "real life"). What could be a more logical choice is D7100, from which you would benefit in regards of this filter being removed, and the built-in motor drive to allow the autofocus with older lenses (AF-D models).

  

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#7. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Springfield, US
          


>...no Nikon DSLR at this time focuses well in
>live view...

I thought the Live View autofocus was supposed to be more accurate although slower, than autofocus through the viewfinder. And manual focus through the viewfinder, at least for me, is nearly impossible.
Am I missing something.

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#8. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>
>>...no Nikon DSLR at this time focuses well in
>>live view...
>
>I thought the Live View autofocus was supposed to be more
>accurate although slower, than autofocus through the
>viewfinder. And manual focus through the viewfinder, at least
>for me, is nearly impossible.
>Am I missing something.
>

I've had six Nikon SLRs, (film and digital), that AF with their phase detect modules without an issue. Each generation has gotten better, in fact.

Two of them have contrast detect with live view - they are slow AND inaccurate.

Manual focus is a completely different situation - though IMO, Nikon needs something like Fuji has implemented where you see a high contrast flash focus peaking or a split prism effect. Current Nikon DSLRs are behind in this regard.

David

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#9. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Tue 03-Dec-13 01:52 PM by RRRoger

Monterey Bay, US
          

I would consider that a huge upgrade.
The D5300 is much sharper
The image is much richer.
The 1080P 60 Video is suberb
High ISO is amazing.
The LCD is so much better that it is a great focusing tool when zoomed in.

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#10. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>I would consider that a huge upgrade.
>The D5300 is much sharper
>The image is much richer.
>The 1080P 60 Video is suberb
>High ISO is amazing.
>The LCD is so much better that it is a great focusing tool
>when zoomed in.
>
>

I don't thinks it's not about if the D5300 is an upgrade - and besides the AA filter, how big a difference will anything you pointed out make at a base ISO landscape shot that is executed with expertise?

Yes, there is nothing wrong with better equipment, but if the OP has not really learned how to exploit his current rig, there is no reason for him to expect better results - I have seen this way to often where folks expect the camera to make a difference and it doesn't. So then he will be back to developing his skills all along the workflow path.

I also, personally, think it is instructive for a learning photographer to observe the real limitations of their gear, software, etc. Then, when they do upgrade, they know exactly what they are looking for.

Just a non-NAS perspective,

David

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#11. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Monterey Bay, US
          


>
>Yes, there is nothing wrong with better equipment, but if the
>OP has not really learned how to exploit his current rig,
>there is no reason for him to expect better results - I have
>seen this way to often where folks expect the camera to make a
>difference and it doesn't. So then he will be back to
>developing his skills all along the workflow path.
>

David, I understand your point of view.
The best photographer can make anything work,
and the kid with the cardboard may get the shot of the day.

However, my personal experience is that "Hands On" usability is the most important thing.
Second a beginner needs a camera that is good to go "Out of the Box".
Third the camera is a tool. The best tools do make a difference.
The D5300 is an exceptionally good tool.

If all he is trying to do is take Landscape Photos from a TriPod at base ISO,
The D3200 will do, it has pleanty of pixels.

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#12. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Little Rock, US
          


>However, my personal experience is that "Hands On"
>usability is the most important thing.

It certainly is. If the camera is getting in the way, it's time to find another one.

>Second a beginner needs a camera that is good to go "Out
>of the Box".

I agree. It has some advantages for sure from a pure image quality perspective that would show up in bigger prints with 16 bit printer drivers.

>Third the camera is a tool. The best tools do make a
>difference.

Sure they do, but there is a point of diminishing returns based on application. For instance, I would rather have a D610 or D800 for landscape and architecture work vs. a D4 any day.

>If all he is trying to do is take Landscape Photos from a
>TriPod at base ISO,
> The D3200 will do, it has pleanty of pixels.

Well, towards the end of the conversation with the OP, I asked what sort of photography he was doing and his answer is what led me to my suggestions. Yours certainly have merit as well.


David

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#22. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Martinsville, US
          

Yes I still have two Chinnon 35 MM (I haven't used in years) but the manual version when you focused had a circle in the center. And as you turned the focus ring the two section would line up and everything would be in focus.

I'd love to see this on Nikon cameras. I could focus camera a lot better on my D3000 than I can in both my d3200's the Focus screen is almost invisible.

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#23. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Greetings!
As for upgrading to the D5300, since I have a D5200 that performs nicely (with good Nikkors like the 16-85 and 35 f/1.8), I'm also in a bit of a quandary, as I'm all about image sharpness, and love the idea of no AA filter in the D5300. However, even with that difference, I think I would see a more profound overall IQ improvement if I went with a D610!
As for lenses, I'd certainly recommend the Nikkors 16-85 and 35 f/1.8 as being extremely sharp optics on an APS-C camera. (If interested, please see my gallery for sample jpegs.)
Thank you,
Steve

>>I am seriously considering upgrading to the D5300. It
>has
>>some interesting features (wireless, GPS, tilt rear
>screen)
>>that would come in very handy.
>>
>
>Those features, IMO, are a little bit better reason to buy a
>D5300 than the AA filter. However, they'd not be enough to
>tempt me because no Nikon DSLR at this time focuses well in
>live view to make the tilt LCD something I would use, and you
>can get a wireless WU-1a adapter for the D3200. So that just
>leaves the GPS function.
>
>Your camera will produce sharp images, and good lenses would
>make the biggest difference. If you are still shooting the
>kit lens, replacing it would be a good place to start - say
>the 18-105mm VR, which is a great lens with a good focal
>length range and is easily corrected for in software like
>Lightroom for any pincushion/barrel distortion issues and/or
>chromatic aberration.
>

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#13. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Springfield, US
          

How close is the 5300 to the 7100. 5300 bodies are going for $800 and 7100 bodies are going for about $300 more. Since he has all the glass, might it not be better to bite the bullet and go for the 7100?

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter MemberTue 03-Dec-13 11:36 PM
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#14. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Tue 03-Dec-13 11:42 PM by RRRoger

Monterey Bay, US
          

>How close is the 5300 to the 7100. 5300 bodies are going for
>$800 and 7100 bodies are going for about $300 more. Since he
>has all the glass, might it not be better to bite the bullet
>and go for the 7100? <<<

I had the D5100 and D7100 at the same time.
I liked the D5100 better especially for hikes

But the D7100 was faster, had two cards, and a lot better battery
(the same one as my V1 and D600, and D800) so I bought one,
and gave the D5100 to my son.
I soon got tired of it and sold it and D600, using the money to get a D800e.

They say the D5300 shares the same (D7100) Sensor, but I don't think so. I think it has been tweeked since then.
My 12800 ISO images were worthlessly full of artifacts.
The 6400 ISO images were not even as good as the D5300 at 12800.
Perhaps the difference is the Expeed 4 processor.
My 64GB SD 95s card hold more images or Videos than I can shoot in a day
The new battery is much better too, and good for about two hours of HD Video.

Wait, wait, NAS says you need a D5300 now
and an upgrade to the D7200 next year
No doubt, it will be better still!

Perhaps, I should recomend good, used Pro level Nikkors instead?
They seem to be the only Nikon product that goes up in price.
But, if you cannot get a sharp image with the 35mm f/1.8 Nikkor,
you may actually need a new camera (or some lessons).



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#15. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Springfield, US
          

>They say the D5300 shares the same (D7100) Sensor, but I don't
>think so. I think it has been tweeked since then.
>My 12800 ISO images were worthlessly full of artifacts.
>The 6400 ISO images were not even as good as the D5300 at
>12800.

So you are saying the the 5300 is a better camera than the 7100 (in terms of picture quality)?

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#16. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

>
>So you are saying the the 5300 is a better camera than the
>7100 (in terms of picture quality)?<<<

In my experience, YES!

I sold my D7100 and D600 to pay for a D800e,
so I do not have them in front of me to compare,
but at this point I would not hesitate to choose the D5300 over the D7100.

That is not to say with good lighting at base ISO & using the same lens,
that you could tell a difference in the image quality,
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#17. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Well, that's the pits. Here I was ready to step up from a 5100 to a 7100 (after going through the d610 vs d800 vs d4 thing) and find that while it might be a step up from a 5100, it would be a step down from a 5300.

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#18. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

>Well, that's the pits. Here I was ready to step up from a
>5100 to a 7100 (after going through the d610 vs d800 vs d4
>thing) and find that while it might be a step up from a 5100,
>it would be a step down from a 5300.<<<

The D5300 is definately a step up from the D5000-5200,

but mostly in High ISO Image and Video Quality to the D7100.
The D5300 also has a swivel LCD, is smaller and lighter even with a grip.

The D7100 still has some advantages:
Larger Magnesium Body (6.9 Oz heavier)
Will AutoFocus with AF lens(has internal focus motor).
51 focus points (instead of 39).
6fps shooting speed
100% ViewFinder
2 memory slots
Bigger battery
1/800 shutter
1/250 flash speed

But, if you want a D7100, I would wait for the D7200.
It may be announced at the next trade show?

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#19. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Paignton, GB
          

I would advise canvassing more opinions before deciding between the D5300 and D7100. Each has its strengths, but as I have not used either, I can't really comment myself

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#20. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Monterey Bay, US
          

>I would advise canvassing more opinions before deciding
>between the D5300 and D7100. Each has its strengths, but as I
>have not used either, I can't really comment myself

Yes, Most important is to get "Hands On".

At this point, I am thrilled with my "new" toy.
It is performing much better than I expected.
So, I am biased toward the D5300.

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#21. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>Well, that's the pits. Here I was ready to step up from a
>5100 to a 7100 (after going through the d610 vs d800 vs d4
>thing) and find that while it might be a step up from a 5100,
>it would be a step down from a 5300.

I would absolutely advise you to go to the D7100 forum, and as Brian Tilley so elegantly phrased it, "canvas" some more opinions of people that shoot that camera day in and day out.

Unless... you only shoot ISO 12800 and up images all the time. Then you need a D4.

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#24. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Sun 08-Dec-13 04:57 PM by Puddlepyrate2013

Portsmouth, US
          

I have read this post and its answers are a mish-mash of different opinions with no solid base. OP wants sharper images from his 3200 and now comes the D5300 with a sensor lacking an anti-aliasing filter. Because this camera lacks this filter the pictures have to come out sharper, they just have too.
Well there are a number of factors that contribute to a sharp image.
Shutter speeds can lead to a blurry image if an appropriate speed is not used. Lens, using a inexpensive kit lens on a high mega pixel sensor will quickly reveal the weakness of the lens. Not using a tripod will lead to soft images. etc...

When I 1st started in photography 20+ years ago, I read every book at my local library on the art of photography. I had a solid understanding of a camera and also the many types of film and their unique properties. I read, I then practiced shooting and learned more and shot more and learned more until I had a solid under standing of basic photography. It was an investment in time to learn the craft. When I was preparing to go Pro, a friend of mine invited me to coffee and we went over the details of the photography business. His first rule to me was to invest my money in lens' not camera bodies. Buy a good camera and then buy the best lens'. Camera Bodies come and go every other year, but great glass stays forever.
I held onto that philosophy and went on to having a very successful business.
As was stated above, a camera is a tool and the best tool makes the best product, BUT that is only true if the person using that tool has the knowledge and experience to use that tool. If the person just buys the best tool and expects the tool to do the job it is recipe for disappointment.

I see it all to often here people buy a camera, and then spend weeks trying to find the faults with it, imaginary or not, they read a thread about this issue and then stay awake all night wondering if there camera has the same thing. That would explain why the new camera owner is getting lousy images from his new $1400 camera. It is a real shame, that hundreds of camera get returned to the manufactures for non-issues, just because the new owner never bothered to open the owners manual or simply do a quick google search. Then others of the same mindset feed the flames of discontent. Soon no one is content with their cameras anymore, effigies are created and burned at the town common, it is chaos in the threads. Half truths, no truths, my cousins sister inlaws ex-husbands step-son had that very same problem with his camera, it has to be the worst camera in the world, it was like a D4 or something dumb. He ended up selling it on Ebay, he then bought knitting needles and makes the cutest kitten sweaters now.

Up and coming photographers need a base knowledge of photography, from there they can make an educated decision on the RIGHT camera for their personal needs, not what other photographers want them to buy. It is amazing how total strangers can in less then 2 minutes, spend $5000 of someones hard earned money when the NEED of that person may just be a $750. camera.

The point of Nikonians is to create a camaraderie of like minded photographers, who share a passion and vision that can be captured using some of the worlds best camera gear "Nikon".
This has turned into a nit-pick, find fault with every camera, lens and place the blame game kind of place.
There was a time here, when people would save up and buy a new camera, share their news of their new purchase, and then leave the computer, get into the car and spend the next 4 days capturing outstanding images that they were proud to come back here and share with the rest of us. There would be mild critiquing and all had fun.

Now it seems like a never ending pity-party. No one is content with their cameras, even if it was brand new out of the box D4, fault would still be found.
My advise learn the art of photography, then buy equipment that you need, not want. Yes, we all want something but do we really need it?
Do your research online and book stores, asking strangers on a forum what camera you should get will only be opening a can of worms.

and when you do get your new camera, please read the owners manual, it is placed in the box for a reason.
Charge up the batteries, and then go out and shoot, shoot, shoot...
Photography is like playing the piano, the more you practice the better you will be at it.

Just because a camera cost $1500 doesn't mean it takes $1500 pictures,
only the photographer can do that.

and yes, I have had my images published worldwide, along with being an accomplished wedding photographer, so I do have an idea of what I am talking about



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#27. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Paignton, GB
          

>Now it seems like a never ending pity-party. No one is content
>with their cameras, even if it was brand new out of the box
>D4, fault would still be found.

You may not realise it, having been a member for less than a year, but the pattern of a few buyers complaining about the latest camera is something we have seen repeatedly over the years, after pretty much every new model launch. As an example, here is one thread from 2002, about an exposure problem with someone's D100.

We must all be careful to pick out the genuine complaints - which will always exist - and make sure we try hard to help those members diagnose their problem and hopefully get it fixed

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#28. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Portsmouth, US
          

Hello Brian, I do remember, I was a Nikonian for a number of years. I was a moderator for the N80 and wedding photographers groups. In 2006, I had a mild heart attack and had to stop doing what I loved so much. Then in 2009, I had open heart surgery and had a 5 month recovery time. I kept up with the photography by doing a lot of reading. Had to sell a lot of gear to pay the bills, (fortunately Nikon holds their value).

I have since made a full recovery, and have built up my gear to the point I am ready for business again.

The above experience has made me count my blessings and fully appreciate all that I have in my life.
That is why I find it difficult to understand the nitpicking that sometimes goes on in the forums. Life is to short to devote so much time to dissecting every camera nuance. People buy cameras to capture those special moments in their lives and to enjoy the world around them, but then something happens and discontent sets in. It is truly sad.

Brian, I would like to wish you and yours a Happy and Healthy Holiday season and a prosperous New Year.



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#29. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Bob,
First let me congratulate you on your full recovery! As for your question below, I think I have an answer...it's called G.A.S., a chronic affliction that unfortunately has afflicted many an otherwise healthy photographer, myself included! ("Gear Acquisition Syndrome"). Regrettably, there is no known cure...just "treatment",i.e., the purchase of more equipment.
That said, I'd like to wish you and all Nikonians a safe and joyous Holiday Season!
Best Regards,
Steve

>Hello Brian, I do remember, I was a Nikonian for a number of
>years. I was a moderator for the N80 and wedding photographers
>groups. In 2006, I had a mild heart attack and had to stop
>doing what I loved so much. Then in 2009, I had open heart
>surgery and had a 5 month recovery time. I kept up with the
>photography by doing a lot of reading. Had to sell a lot of
>gear to pay the bills, (fortunately Nikon holds their value).
>
>
>I have since made a full recovery, and have built up my gear
>to the point I am ready for business again.
>
>The above experience has made me count my blessings and fully
>appreciate all that I have in my life.
>That is why I find it difficult to understand the nitpicking
>that sometimes goes on in the forums. Life is to short to
>devote so much time to dissecting every camera nuance. People
>buy cameras to capture those special moments in their lives
>and to enjoy the world around them, but then something happens
>and discontent sets in. It is truly sad.
>
>Brian, I would like to wish you and yours a Happy and Healthy
>Holiday season and a prosperous New Year.
>
>
>
>Bob
>

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#30. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Portsmouth, US
          

Thank-you Steve, I have heard of NAS now there is GAS, lol maybe we should contact the CDC in Atlanta, regarding these very serious conditions. It is so serious that people are upgrading without any logical explanation of why they need to upgrade. Detroit would be the car capital of the world if GAS spread to the automotive industry. People trading in there cars for no reason but to have a new one.

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#33. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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N.A.S. Is just customized G.A.S

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#35. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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LOL about the CDC! Good one, Bob! BTW, I very much enjoyed your Gallery, including the Wave, Mouse, Lighthouse and Golden Finch images!
Likewise, enjoy a safe and joyous Holiday Season, sir!
Steve

>Thank-you Steve, I have heard of NAS now there is GAS, lol
>maybe we should contact the CDC in Atlanta, regarding these
>very serious conditions. It is so serious that people are
>upgrading without any logical explanation of why they need to
>upgrade. Detroit would be the car capital of the world if GAS
>spread to the automotive industry. People trading in there
>cars for no reason but to have a new one.
>
>I wish you and yours a Happy Healthy Holiday season.
>
>Bob
>

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#31. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Mon 09-Dec-13 08:26 AM by briantilley

Paignton, GB
          

Welcome back, Bob - apologies for not remembering the name!

It's good to hear that your health problems are behind you.

I'm sure you're right about unnecessary and excessive nit-picking (I just don't think it's a recent phenomenon...). I worry about its effect on those new to photography and/or to Nikon, who may be driven to have doubts about their equipment with no real reason

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#32. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>Photography is like playing the piano, the more you practice
>the better you will be at it.
>
>Just because a camera cost $1500 doesn't mean it takes $1500
>pictures,
>only the photographer can do that.

Bob,

You basically are reiterating what I said in my initial response - shoot what you have until you have exceeded the capabilities of that camera. You then really know what it is you want in the next one - at least that has been my philosophy.

The constant shooting, post processing, (and in my case, printing), has made me a better photographer, and I started shooting film in the 70's with SLR cameras. I found that with film, I could never afford to shoot like I have been able to for the last decade with digital. In fact, since I still shoot (and now develop film), I got better at that as a result of digital.

Just a perspective,

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#25. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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RRRoger, I agree with your comment about the Nikkor 35 f/1.8...Even on my D5200, that is one wicked sharp lens! It makes me wonder how much sharper a lens such as the 105mm Micro-Nikkor can possibly be!
Thanks,
Steve

>>How close is the 5300 to the 7100. 5300 bodies are going
>for
>>$800 and 7100 bodies are going for about $300 more. Since
>he
>>has all the glass, might it not be better to bite the
>bullet
>>and go for the 7100? <<<
>
>I had the D5100 and D7100 at the same time.
>I liked the D5100 better especially for hikes
>
>But the D7100 was faster, had two cards, and a lot better
>battery
>(the same one as my V1 and D600, and D800) so I bought one,
>and gave the D5100 to my son.
>I soon got tired of it and sold it and D600, using the money
>to get a D800e.
>
>They say the D5300 shares the same (D7100) Sensor, but I don't
>think so. I think it has been tweeked since then.
>My 12800 ISO images were worthlessly full of artifacts.
>The 6400 ISO images were not even as good as the D5300 at
>12800.
>Perhaps the difference is the Expeed 4 processor.
>My 64GB SD 95s card hold more images or Videos than I can
>shoot in a day
>The new battery is much better too, and good for about two
>hours of HD Video.
>
>Wait, wait, NAS says you need a D5300 now
> and an upgrade to the D7200 next year
>No doubt, it will be better still!
>
>Perhaps, I should recomend good, used Pro level Nikkors
>instead?
>They seem to be the only Nikon product that goes up in price.
>But, if you cannot get a sharp image with the 35mm f/1.8
>Nikkor,
>you may actually need a new camera (or some lessons).
>
>
>
>

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#26. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Sun 08-Dec-13 03:50 AM by RRRoger

Monterey Bay, US
          

Perhaps the OP would like to see some D5300 with AF-S Nikkor 17-35 f/2.8 lens pictures I took today.
These were reduced size and saved at reduced quality so that they could be displayed here.
The originals are much sharper

Base ISO 100 outside the Aquarium.
Aperture Priority f2.8
1/4000s
35mm (equivalent 52mm film)




The rest of these are also shot at 35mm but at ISO 12800.
Everything is hand held and they said I could bring a MonoPod next Tuesday when it is less crowded.
I may bring my AF-S 50mm f/1.8 as well just to raise the shutter speed.


shutter speed 50s





shutter 1/60s




shutter 1/200s


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pjonesCET Gold Member Nikonian since 11th Jul 2011Tue 10-Dec-13 01:32 AM
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#34. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter MemberWed 01-Jan-14 02:55 PM
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#38. "RE: Anti-Aliasing Filter - Upgrade from D3200 to D5300?"
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Wed 01-Jan-14 03:04 PM by RRRoger

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The 1080P 60fps D5300 Videos I took Tuesday and Friday came out really good,
Much better than any Nikon or the 5DII that I've used for ISO above 3200.
But, they are so degraded on Vimeo that I will not even post a link.
Unfortunetly the Octypuss were asleep both days so I did not get them.
I found the 60fps very helpful when hand holding the camera.
No I do not play back the movies in slow motion
although that can be useful for critique my bowling.

After about a month of use, I am still discovering things I like about the D5300.
For cheap, I got a Menke (D5200) grip and more powerfull Vivitar batteries.
More confortable and still very light weight.
Plus my fat Pro Nikkors no longer hit the TriPod base.

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