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Aloof Registered since 09th Jun 2013Sun 09-Jun-13 08:48 AM
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"D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"


Philpot, US
          

I'm about to purchase the D5200 I believe. Coming most recently from the 5dmk3. That camera is a brick and I do not enjoy shooting with it for that reason. I am looking for a light weight option but still excellent image quality. I have shot DX and FX and tend to prefer DX for about 80% of what I shoot.

My question is, would you consider the 18-105 kit lens or 24-120 f4? I realize the advantages of the 24-120 in that it is constant f4 and also can be fully appreciated on an FX body if I add one in the future. It is much more expensive though. Considering image quality as the only bias, would I notice a big difference between the two? I will also be getting the 70-200 f4 and 50 1.8.

Appreciate any insight!

Beth

  

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blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004Sun 09-Jun-13 12:17 PM
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#1. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Richmond, US
          

The 24-120 is a better lens, but none of Nikon's lenses - even the cheap kit lenses - are easily dismissed. You can probably find differences if you pixel peep, but likely not much of a difference in a small print such as an 11x14.

What you will see is a big difference in wide angle capability. 24 and 18 are not very similar in wide angle - on your 5dmk3, that's the difference between 28 and 35.

I think you'll also find that there is a considerable difference in weight and bulk. The 24-120/f4 weighs 720g and takes a 77mm filter, while the 18-105 weighs 410 and takes a 67mm. Considering that you're switching not just cameras but camera systems because your previous model was "a brick" I'd guess that this is important to you.

In short, my advice is to go for the 18-105.

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Aloof Registered since 09th Jun 2013Sun 09-Jun-13 07:56 PM
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Philpot, US
          

Thank you Brian. Weight is an important factor. I feel like the range that I will use most will be the 70-200 or even longer. I would like the 2.8 but it's way to heavy. I'm thinking of getting the f4 version but maybe I should get the 70-300 instead? I've read nice reviews on both lenses. That would keep the weight down and free up funds for a wide angle lens. Too many choices!

  

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#4. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Richmond, US
          

> I feel like the range that I will use most will be the 70-200 or even longer.

Hmm... then I'm questioning your entire premise. Long lenses weigh a lot, and to give you an extreme example, with a 400/f2.8, I can assure you that it just doesn't matter what camera is hanging on the back of it!

Let's get some background info. What do you shoot? Portraits? Sports? Wildlife? Under what sort of conditions? What sort of lenses did you like and dislike on the 5dmk3?

> I would like the 2.8 but it's way to heavy.

And one thing that seemingly lots of people don't know is that the 70-200/f4 AFS VR actually outperforms the more expensive 70-200/f2.8 AFS VR-II, although nobody would call the f/2.8 anything but wicked sharp.

I don't think of the 70-300 and 70-200/f4 as filling the same roles, although obviously they do cover a lot of the same focal lengths.

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#3. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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San Diego, US
          

Beth-

Brian makes some good points and gives some good advice.

In your second post you mentioned the 70-300 VR. I think this is one of Nikon's most under appreciated lens'. It is light, has a very useful focal length, takes 67mm filters and the two I have owned were extremely sharp. Since weight is important I would seriously recommend this lens. The only issue may be the variable aperture vs the 70-200. However again, the weight difference between those two lens' is significant. If you decide on the 70-300 I think you will be very happy.


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#5. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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>In your second post you mentioned the 70-300 VR. I think this
>is one of Nikon's most under appreciated lens'. It is light,
>has a very useful focal length, takes 67mm filters and the two
>I have owned were extremely sharp. Since weight is important
>I would seriously recommend this lens. The only issue may be
>the variable aperture vs the 70-200. However again, the
>weight difference between those two lens' is significant. If
>you decide on the 70-300 I think you will be very happy.

Thom Hogan has mentioned a few times (here's just one mention: http://www.bythom.com/choice.htm ) that the 70-300 VR, when stopped down to f/6.3-f/8 performs the same as the 70-200 f/2.8 over their shared range. So if you don't need the fast aperture, you won't miss much if anything by picking up the 70-300 VR, and as a bonus you get a usable (although not as good) 200-300 mm range.

  

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Aloof Registered since 09th Jun 2013Sun 09-Jun-13 11:07 PM
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#6. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Philpot, US
          

I would use the 70-200 or 70-300 for portrait work and sports. Portrait work might on occasion be for pay...sports for my own personal interest/family. Sports would include cross country (could use either lens), baseball and basketball (might prefer 70-200), and indoor cheer competitions (definitely 70-200).

I also like to shoot random things, animals, landscape and scenery. I used the 24-105 almost exclusively on the 5dmk3. I often found myself wanting more reach. I thought the 24 was just on the edge of not being wide enough on FX at times. I had the Canon 70-300 at one point and hated it. I did not find it to be appropriately sharp. Bad copy? I'm not sure. I liked the range but not the lens. I used to have the Canon T3i with kit lens and this is where I used the 70-300 primarily. Also had the Sigma 10-20.

My goal is to have the best image quality available (I really could care less who makes it, Canon, Nikon, Sony...) in the most comfortable/lighter weight system. The 5dmk3 produces beautiful images. The only negatives are pulling shadows too much can get ugly, and the weight/comfort factor. That camera just does not fit comfortably in my hand. It feels awkward and I always feel like I'm going to drop it. Yes, I use a strap. I'm just saying, if I grab it real quick it just doesn't make a good fit for my hands.

So, since I do sometimes shoot from ground level I like the tilt out screen on the D5200. I basically ruled out the latest Canon crop cameras because the Nikon's have far more to offer at any given price point. There are some great deals through later this month on Nikon body and lens combining too. I'm thinking I will go with the 70-200 f4 but I am still stuck on the 18-105 kit lens, or 24-120 f4. I know I will want wider than 18 on DX so I'm just not sure. Maybe the Sigma 10-20? I was pleased enough with that lens in the past. I just want the best wide, mid and tele for me and I guess only I really can know what that means. I appreciate all the information. I'll probably finalize by mid-week and order something up.

  

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blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004Mon 10-Jun-13 12:36 AM
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#7. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Richmond, US
          

> Sports would include cross country (could use either lens), baseball and basketball (might prefer 70-200), and indoor cheer competitions (definitely 70-200).

Cross country will be fine with any of the lenses that reach. Baseball is kind of short at 200mm - I shoot a lot of baseball and often go as long as 500mm even on DX. Even from the camera well, 200mm is kind of short. Basketball: indoors? I don't do that, but I routinely hear that it's very challenging from a lighting perspective. Most seem to be shooting with 50/f1.8 or 85/f1.8 or similar. Indoor cheer competitions seem to be a low-light thing too. Depending on how close you can get, that seems uncomfortably low light for an f/4 lens, let alone an f/5.6.

> I used the 24-105 almost exclusively on the 5dmk3. ... I thought the 24 was just on the edge of not being wide enough on FX at times.

Then 24 on DX definitely won't be wide enough. You'll need to add something wider to the 24-120. I personally got great results from a Sigma 10-20, but if you're after maximum IQ the Sigma 8-16 is the one to have. And clearly you won't need anything wider! 12mm on FX or 8mm on DX is just insanely wide.

I think you're better off with 8-16, 24-120/f4, 70-200/f4. Although the 70-300 has more range, I think it's dangerously slow at the long end for much of what you want to do. Unfortunately that will put you with three lenses that are either bulkier or heavier than perhaps is minimally required, but between the range and quality requirements, that's where I end up.

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Aloof Registered since 09th Jun 2013Mon 10-Jun-13 03:01 AM
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#8. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Philpot, US
          


>I think you're better off with 8-16, 24-120/f4, 70-200/f4.
>Although the 70-300 has more range, I think it's dangerously
>slow at the long end for much of what you want to do.
>Unfortunately that will put you with three lenses that are
>either bulkier or heavier than perhaps is minimally required,
>but between the range and quality requirements, that's where I
>end up.

So you would do the Sigma 8-16 over the Sigma 10-20? I had not considered that one. I could do some crazy portrait work with the kids at 8mm...could be fun. I was going to choose the Sigma 10-20 3.5 over the 4-5.6. Does the 8-16 have better distortion control? Since this will be my interiors and landscape lens, I would like the sharpest/contrasty/deep color choice. You would take the Sigma over the Nikon 12-24 or 10-24? Certainly more cost effective with the Sigma.

I am 100% sure on the 70-200 f4 and nearly decided actually on the kit lens 18-105 instead of the 24-120. I can then add the WA lens and a flash for just over 3K and I'm good with that. I can always choose a different mid-range later if need be. I guess I should upgrade my membership here so I might upload some images when I get my new gear? Thank you much for helping me think it through.

  

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#9. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Richmond, US
          

> So you would do the Sigma 8-16 over the Sigma 10-20?

For sharpness and image quality, definitely yes. The only UWA that are better are the Nikkor 14-24/f2.8 (talk about a brick!) and a couple of the Zeiss offerings, all of which are in the vicinity of 3x the price. Search our 3rd party lens forum for some samples - they are really good. The 8-16 has fairly good distortion control for a UWA, but you'll still need (not want) to correct it in post processing. The Sigma 12-24 FX Mk I is the best controlled UWA and I *absolutely* always correct distortion even on that one. If you're shooting architecture or something with straight lines, there are NO UWAs which do not demand distortion correction in post.

For completeness, both the 24-120/f4 and the 18-105VR also have fairly significant barrel and/or pincushion distortion, depending on focal length.

> I could do some crazy portrait work with the kids at 8mm...could be fun.

LOL... I have occasionally done this with my faithful dog. He doesn't complain when his portraits exaggerate his nose! (I even did it with an 8mm circular fishsye! He's so patient with me...)

Sorry about changing around on you... some of your requirements are in conflict: maximum/ultimate IQ and minimal size.

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Aloof Registered since 09th Jun 2013Mon 10-Jun-13 01:45 PM
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#10. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Philpot, US
          

While I do want light as I can go, I don't want to sacrifice to the point that I am unhappy with my choices. I feel confident with my final decision at this point and I am going to take your advice on the 8-16! I will order them up and see what they do in real life as opposed to the endless reading/looking at examples I have been doing.

D5200 with 18-105
Nikon 70-200 f4
Sigma 8-16
SB-700
Nikon remote release

Thanks a bunch for your patience and help.

  

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Richmond, US
          

A fine kit. Even if it's not a 100% direct hit, it'll certainly get you in the ballpark, and you'll know where to go next.

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Agree with Brian on the IQ of Sigma 8-16mm. Makes it look very cheap for the IQ it delivers.
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Aloof Registered since 09th Jun 2013Tue 11-Jun-13 05:33 PM
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Philpot, US
          

I'm a member - woot woot!

Should have my kit by the end of the week. I'll let you know how I like it. Especially the 8-16mm.

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Aloof Registered since 09th Jun 2013Tue 18-Jun-13 06:27 PM
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#14. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Philpot, US
          

I got my new kit yesterday! They were sold out of the D5200 with kit lens so I bought the body separate, 70-200 f4, Sigma 8-16, and since I didn't get the 18-105 kit lens I chose another lens off the rebate list, the 60mm micro.

I know composition wise there is nothing this image has to offer. However, I am pretty excited about my first ever true macro lens. I think it is a lot of fun! If I wanted to get up close and personal with the beetle, I would definitely have to use a tripod (uggh, more money, lol) but for a hand held shot I am impressed by the lens.

Shooting what little I have with the D5200, it is exactly what I wanted and I am happy with my selection! The size is perfect and I think the 70-200 f4 was an outstanding choice. Much lighter than the big brother 2.8. I still need to test the 8-16. I know I will want to add a jack of all trades type lens (probably the kit lens) at some point. I will likely try and snag it used when I find a good deal on it.

One last question. I know the D5200 shoots 14 bit RAW and that is what I want. However in the past there was a selection for 12 bit or 14 bit and I don't see that as a choice. I just want to make sure I have the correct setting, especially since it is said that banding occurs far less often when using 14 bit.

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#15. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Paris, RO
          

Beautiful! Congratulations!
Now, I'd be curious to see a nice picture taken at 8mm with your Sigma lens

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#16. "RE: D5200 kit lens choice or 24-120 f4"
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Thu 20-Jun-13 02:03 PM by pjonesCET

Martinsville, US
          

That is one great picture!


Here is a sample I took with 55-200mm lens on my D3200:



F/5.6 aperture
ISO 800
1/160 Shutter Speed

Click on Image to magnify.

I posed and shot for this affect. (Hand-held)

I have these all around the house

Here is another at side of house show a patch of theme fight for their life with some Kudzu.



F/5.6
ISO 800
1/160 Shutter Speed

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