Looked at Canon t2, t3, t2i, t3i, d3100, d3200 as first DSLR. Right now, I am using a Canon sx160is point and shoot with a lot of DSLR features. A year from now, I will want to move up. Leaning toward the d3100. To me, looks like great bang for the buck. Will be buying from a brick and mortar shop(?)
This is all new to me. Reading avidly, and using forums. I want this camera for still shots. I have a JVC camcorder, so the d3100 will be for stills.
Is buying from a brick and mortar shop the best idea (support)?
In head to head comparisons, the articles keep mentioning lack of an autofocus motor in the d3100. The spec sheets don't speak of this. Isn't the autofocus motor in the lense?
Some lenses have focus motors in them (af-s), some do not. For these older lenses that do not, they require a focus motor in the camera to auto-focus.
To make the D3000 line of cameras so physically small, the focus motor was removed from the camera. Thus, to have auto-focus the lens needs to have the motor. Given Nikon's current lens line-up, this is not as big a deal as it used to be since most lenses coming out these days have the motor in the lens for exactly this reason.
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OK, downloaded the manual for the 3200. Yes. It has R/C shutter. SUWEEEET. And all the updated features. Only $100 more. After all, it's for next year. Hmmm. Maybe you and I just talked me into the d3200. (big grin)
You can't go wrong with either. Personally, I got the D3100 just as the 3200 was being announced. I'm price-sensitive and the incremental differences weren't enough to push me into the later model.
I love the D3100 - I probably pick it up more than my older but sturdier D300. It's light, small and unobtrusive. Put it together with the likes of the 35mm f1.8 DX G and you've got a 50mm equivalent set-up that evokes my days of wandering the streets with a tiny Ricoh, but with all the advantages of digital. With the Picture Controls set correctly, I shoot NEF + JPG, keeping the RAW for insurance, but mostly just taking the JPG and running just a very slight correction for WB and sharpness. Perfect and minimzes the amount of time I spend behind the PC.
The latest issue of Digital Photo lists do-all lenses. They aren't the best lense for each function, but they do vastly more things than each specialist lense. Some are so far outside my ability to pay ... but others, like the TamronAF18-200mm F3.5-6.3 XR Di II LD, at $299 are a stretch, but do-able. What has been your experience with "All-In-One-Zooms"?
To me a kit lens is much shorter than 200mm on the long end. There are way too many compromises at both ends of the focal range on a typical 18-200/18-300.
For kits, I would actually aim a little bit higher than the typical 18-55. Good thoughts for DX - 16-85 DX (pricey but worth it) and the good old standby 18-70 DX.
Put that together with the 35/1.8 and you have a very versatile system that covers wide to short tele and gives you options in low-light (the prime). And you're not giving up anything really noticable at the long and short ends in terms of image quality.
If you must have a tele, you can go 70-300, both Nikon and Tamron have good options, especially with the latest versions with built-in focus motors and image stabilization. That's a three lens setup that won't break the bank (esp. if you buy used) and gets you the most bang for your buck.
I think NAS is Nikon Acquisition Syndrome. In other words once youre a Nikon Owner you will get to the Point your willing to sacrifice a Right lung to Purchase a new camera, or New lens. Its almost like being hooked on Smoking, Drink, Drugs or whatever vice you have.
Thu 06-Jun-13 11:40 PM | edited Sat 08-Jun-13 08:46 PM by pjonesCET
>Downloaded the pdf. Will read avidly. > >It looks like the only remote control is going to be >controlling an HD TV for image display. > >Well, back to the machine shop. If I made one for the Canon >point and shoot, I can make one for this. Easy stuff. > >An R/C remote control would sure be sweet. No cables or >levers to get in the way of operating the menu. > >Which Nikons have R/C shutter release?
the D3000, 3100, 3200 all use a Infrared Remote shutter Release you can program the camera delay up to a preset time from press of remote to when the shutter actually trips. The reason I know is that I had 3000 which I recently sold and now have two 3200's.
d3200 it shall be. If I don't need max mp, I can dial it down.
In 1974, I went to buy a component stereo. The salesman said spend more than you planned, and you'll be happier with it longer. I still have that receiver. Wouldn't trade it, now. It has capabilities you can't find on modern receivers, e.g. turntable support.
I'll defer lense consideration. I'll go with whatever "kit" lense Clem's has tacked onto it, and use that until I get a good idea of what I REALLY need. If I'm going to spend $500 - $1,000 for a lense, I want to make SURE I NEED what it has.
When I get a clue, I'll start a new thread, and haunt it.
PLEASE! ANYONE who has a d3200, what's the look and feel like, to you? In "M" mode, how cumbersome is it to make adjustments? Do yoiu use/like "P" mode?
Fri 07-Jun-13 07:47 PM | edited Sat 08-Jun-13 08:54 PM by pjonesCET
I've never saw anything about a wired remote. The one time I looked for one.
As for lens I have:
18-55mm 55-200mm 35mm F/1.8 10mm-24mm
the 18-55 takes good pictures the 35 mm take great pictures the 55-200mm seem to bright and too soft Not out of focus. the 10-24mm is by the best lens I have. Pictures I take with it I dare a Pro to beat it. Contrast and Sharpness is unbelievable.
In my gallery albums with scenes in Church Cemetery with the Darker Photos with sharp photos taken with great Contrast an ultra sharp focus were taken with the 10-24mm Lens.The others taken that are real bright and Focus just doesn't seem to be there, were taken with the 55-200. They were all taken with with the same d3200 on a Tripod. The only post processing done was straightening for tilt and keystoning
I HOPE your 10-24 takes great pictures! $800-$1,400 !! Saw Sigma and Tokina for less, but ... are they less?
Not even thinking about post right now.
The "For Dummies" book has a short but to the point discussion of the aperture/iso/speed triangle, as well as a discussion of field of focus. Read it 3 times. Going to photocopy it, and keep re-reading it.
Two chapters from now are about post, and post software. I have Photoshop 5.0, got in a class in 1998. Guess I should upgrade, huh? www.pricewatch.com. A real life saver.
Can you do post on JPEG? Which thread, in your opinion, has the BEST discussion of lenses?
If you're looking for some PP software, you might want to look at something like Lightroom 4. It is relatively cheap and you can do a LOT to improve your photos with it. You could even download the Lightroom 5 from here if you want to play around with the latest and greatest.
Autually I got at Adorama on Sale for $785. Yes It set me Back but It was Worth it. Now If I could find something in the future to replace my 55-200mm It takes out of Focus or not sharp pictures. They seem to be to bright as well.
$785. Whew. And I thought boating was expensive! Glad you got what you expected.
Quick question. Are the Sigma and Tamron lenses COMPLETELY compatible with the d3200? A salesman told me some won't meter, but will AF, and vica versa. He said, also, that there are some lenses that will break something off in the camera body, so you really have to be careful in choosing a Nikon lense. Was he blowin' smoke?
Yes, the Sigma and Tamrons are completely compatible. They meter, AF, etc.
> A salesman told me some won't meter, but will AF, and vica versa.
I can't think of a single lens that will AF but not meter, other than perhaps one that is literally broken.
> there are some lenses that will break something off in the camera body, so you really have to be careful in choosing a Nikon lense.
Old lenses may fall into this category. They are generically called pre-AI or non-AI lenses. They're manual focus lenses that date from 1977 or earlier. And actually, the main issue with pre-AI is that, if not modified (to "AI" status), a lug on the lens breaks the physical aperture sensing mechanism on some later cameras. However, the D3200 doesn't have such a mechanism, so pre-AI's mostly are OK. Of course, they are manual focus, and precisely because there is no aperture sensing mechanism, there is no metering. But some of those grand old lenses make some great images...
The vast majority of pre-AI lenses are made by Nikon. However, pre-AI lenses were made by at least Tamron (I have one), and probably by Sigma too. However, anything that's got an AF mechanism obviously dates from the late 1980s or later, and there are *NO* AF lenses that are pre-AI.
You may read about incompatibility of third party lenses, usually with regard to Sigmas. There's a certain amount of truth to this, but it's not what I would call critical. Basically, lenses that have in-lens motors are occasionally made incompatible by cameras that appear long afterward. A great example of this is my old Sigma 12-24, bought in 2003. When the D200 came out in 2006 or so, this lens wouldn't AF on the D200 if you used the AF-ON button. (The usual shutter release mechanism was fine.) Sigma normally will upgrade firmware on such lenses, for free, although you have to pay shipping to them. In the event I never upgraded mine, because I didn't have a D200 and Nikon shortly fixed the problem with a D200 firmware upgrade.
Tamron and Tokina don't figure in this, mostly because they have only been shipping lenses with focus motors for a couple of years. Sigma started with in-lens motors in about 2001, so has **MANY** more lenses in the field spread over many more models. Likely they will have some trouble in the future too. Even Nikon has had some trouble with this!
_____ Brian... a bicoastal Nikonian and Team Member
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Digital Photography has an article on "All-In-One Zoom Lenses". Read it over and over. Glad to know the Sigmas, Tamrons, and Tokinas will work.
My d3200 will probably be new to take advantage of warranty, and add-on warranty. The lenses will probably be second hand. Still planning on the 18-55 "kit" lense for starters, then see what I'm doin' before buying anything else.
I treasure your advice. My county is kind of sparse for camera shops. 35 mi to the nearest, and it's a second hand store. Hard to just drop in and chat. The next is in Orlando. 40 mi.
Wandered thru a pawn shop, today. They're always big temptation. This one must have over 500 guns, endless professional grade construction tools, saddles and tack, professional grade musical instruments, and a killer camera section. In that camera section was a Nikon D40, $300. "Kit" 18-55mm lense. Nothing else. WYSIWYG.
Egad, the film cameras. Musta been 30 SLR, some with manual advance, some with motor. One Yashica with an elaborate rack for flash, battery, and handle.
Lotsa point-and-shoot film and digital. One old Kodak with 640x480 resolution.
Despite all the post on Nikonians that make it seem to the contrary. Its not that easy for me to get to a Camera shop in Va. (a Real camera shop not Walmart or Sears) For me the nearest one is two to two and half Hours away.) If I go to North Carolina about 2 hrs away. I have to do camera business on line. At one time there was Ritz Camera In Danville and Roanoke, but Ritz went busted and are strictly an online outfit now. Shortly before Ritz went bust Wolfe Camera was bought by them.
Some of the pros here, its nothing to hop on a Plane and go to New York or where ever to try out a Lens. But the days of the neighborhood Camera shop are long past in the US except in certain Urban areas. 30 years ago I remember where there were two Camera shops in my city and any city and town had at least one. No Longer.
In Annapolis, down on the foot of Main St, there was a camera shop. Bob's Coin, Stamp, and Gun, behind the Capitol Theater, had cameras, and he knew how to use them. On West St, in the 200 block, there was an Olan Mills that had cameras for sale. The dedicated camera shop had repair available. Late 1950's.
Wal-Martians, and Tarjets know all about the cash register, but little or nothing about what they sell. The gal at Best Buy is a Canon enthusiast, and knows a few things, but at the advanced amateur level. Mostly, it's caveat emptor. You have to do your homework.
The price of global and big box competition. Always the low price means always the low service.
Wed 12-Jun-13 03:33 PM | edited Fri 14-Jun-13 01:19 AM by pjonesCET
If a Brick and Mortar store is available definitely.
I bought my D3000 from Sears and worked like a Champ.
Sold it bought a 3200 from Sears. Even purchased their extended warranty.
They sent off didn't talk too promising, said it would take month to hear back. Knowing my luck when things break. I bought another from a Company called Crutchfield's. So far this camera is performing even better than the one from Sears.
Received notice from Sears to come pickup the camera they were unable to fix it. Evidently I'll either have to send to Nikon or throw away.
If there had been a Brick and Mortar shop I could have brought it in to, I could have had them send to Nikon. The display went haywire (color shift) just using it and all of sudden boom.
The nearest what you call Brick and Mortar shops in Va is Crutchfield's and it 2-1/2 hours a way. In North Carolina there is another company (or was one) also about 2-1/2 hours a way. So if my cameras die. I'll have to send off with no guarantee of being fixed.
By the way the d3200 is an excellent camera and would recommend anyone buy.
As Typical I just had bad luck (who knows it might have been dropped at the factory, or in transit, or the display was defective from the get go. And, I had just dumb enough luck to get one defective.)
If you haven't made a purchase yet, keep an eye out on Cameta Camera - very reliable Internet retailer with a lot of access to Nikon refurb units, including the D3100. Coincidentally, they're in the same area of NY as Nikon USA HQ, which may go a ways to explain their access to a lot of such kits. They also have many sales via Amazon and eBay, but buying direct from them is just as fine. That's where I picked up my D3100 kit. Free shipping can't be beat.
Also, for the back of the camera, one of the best investments I made is the Giottos LCD protector. Made of Schott glass from Germany, fabulous transparency factor and extremely durable. You will never lose it because it adheres to the sides of the camera around the LCD screen.