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stevelink3 Registered since 21st Apr 2013Mon 22-Apr-13 10:39 PM
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"D5200 and AF Adjustment "


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Greetings Nikonians!
I am a new D5200 owner, and have a question please...I noticed this model has no provision for AF fine adjustment (for potential back/front focusing issues). What is the likelihood that a given AF-S Nikkor zoom or prime lens would even require a small adjustment to ensure pin-sharp focus? Is this basically just "luck of the draw" with the lens sample, or are most AF-S Nikkors within tolerances of the D5200 AF system? Thank you! Steve Solomon
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Leonard62 Gold Member Awarded for excellent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community, especially of Nikkor Lenses Nikonian since 15th Mar 2009Mon 22-Apr-13 11:42 PM
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#1. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Hatboro, Pa, US
          

Hello Steve,

I asked myself the same question recently. I don't have the D5200 but I do have the D5100 and D3200. I have three AFS lenses that benefitted with an AF adjustment between +10 and +13 on my D800. On the D5100 two of the lenses would need no adjustment at all and the third only a very slight adjustment of maybe +2 or +3 and most likely of no concern. I don't know what this means.

My original thought, before I tested these lenses, was that since The D3xxx and D5xxx bodies are lower cost and most likely would not be used with fast lenses that cost 2 or 3 times the cost of the body. That means that the body would be used with lenses with a max aperture in the f4 to f5.6 range which would mask any minor to medium AF errors. I thought that could be a calculated risk made by Nikon in order to reduce the cost of the body.

Another consideration is that prior to the D300 Nikon did not put in an AF fine tune option in the setup menu. There pretty much were no complaints about AF with these older bodies like the D1, D2 and D100/200 bodies. Maybe the AF was aligned better in the lenses made at that time. I know that the older lenses I have, especially made prior to the AFD lenses don't seem to have a problem.

The bottom line is I really don't have an answer to your question, only what I've observed with my gear.

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stevelink3 Registered since 21st Apr 2013Tue 23-Apr-13 01:53 AM
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#5. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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>Hello Steve,
>
>I asked myself the same question recently. I don't have the
>D5200 but I do have the D5100 and D3200. I have three AFS
>lenses that benefitted with an AF adjustment between +10 and
>+13 on my D800. On the D5100 two of the lenses would need no
>adjustment at all and the third only a very slight adjustment
>of maybe +2 or +3 and most likely of no concern. I don't know
>what this means.
>
>My original thought, before I tested these lenses, was that
>since The D3xxx and D5xxx bodies are lower cost and most
>likely would not be used with fast lenses that cost 2 or 3
>times the cost of the body. That means that the body would be
>used with lenses with a max aperture in the f4 to f5.6 range
>which would mask any minor to medium AF errors. I thought that
>could be a calculated risk made by Nikon in order to reduce
>the cost of the body.
>
>Another consideration is that prior to the D300 Nikon did not
>put in an AF fine tune option in the setup menu. There pretty
>much were no complaints about AF with these older bodies like
>the D1, D2 and D100/200 bodies. Maybe the AF was aligned
>better in the lenses made at that time. I know that the older
>lenses I have, especially made prior to the AFD lenses don't
>seem to have a problem.
>
>The bottom line is I really don't have an answer to your
>question, only what I've observed with my gear.
>
>Len
>
>Len, I appreciate your comments regarding your lenses and AF adjustment. I just got the D5200 with the 16-85 and 35mm Nikkors, and plan to do some testing tonight. Thanks again, Steve
>

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#7. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Hatboro, Pa, US
          

>>
>>Len, I appreciate your comments regarding your lenses and
>AF adjustment. I just got the D5200 with the 16-85 and 35mm
>Nikkors, and plan to do some testing tonight. Thanks again,
>Steve
>>

Hi Steve,

Here is a example of what I'm seeing with some of my lenses. I've taken 3 photos with my 4 month old AFS 70-200mm F2.8 VR II. This lens needs a +10 adjustment on my D3X and two D800 bodies. It does not require any adjustment on my D5100 or D3200.

First a before and after AF fine tuning with my D3X. The exposure was with flash at f2.8 and about 9 feet from the target. They are from a 43% enlargement. Focus point was the nose.

No fine tune.


AF fine tune of +10


D3200 from the same distance but less of a crop.


I have no explanation for these results. The only other body besides the D5100 and D3200 that doesn't need an adjustment with this lens is my D300.

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stevelink3 Registered since 21st Apr 2013Tue 23-Apr-13 06:02 PM
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#8. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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>>>
>>>Len, I appreciate your comments regarding your lenses
>and
>>AF adjustment. I just got the D5200 with the 16-85 and
>35mm
>>Nikkors, and plan to do some testing tonight. Thanks
>again,
>>Steve
>>>
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>Here is a example of what I'm seeing with some of my lenses.
>I've taken 3 photos with my 4 month old AFS 70-200mm F2.8 VR
>II. This lens needs a +10 adjustment on my D3X and two D800
>bodies. It does not require any adjustment on my D5100 or
>D3200.
>
>First a before and after AF fine tuning with my D3X. The
>exposure was with flash at f2.8 and about 9 feet from the
>target. They are from a 43% enlargement. Focus point was the
>nose.
>
>No fine tune.
>
>
>AF fine tune of +10
>
>
>D3200 from the same distance but less of a crop.
>
>
>I have no explanation for these results. The only other body
>besides the D5100 and D3200 that doesn't need an adjustment
>with this lens is my D300.
>
>Len
>
>Excellent examples, Len...I appreciate your efforts!
As I got my D5200 late last night, I haven't "formally" tested it with my 16-85 and 35 yet, but I did confirm it works, and that the 35 is indeed sharper than the 16-85, but not orders of magnitude sharper ( which "hopefully" means that my 16-85 copy is darn good). One odd behavior on my Windows 7 64-bit system though...I installed the ViewNX software CD that came with the D5200, and got it listed in Program Files, but when launching the app, it doesn't open. No errors, just nothing happens. I think I'll download the latest version from Nikonusa.com.
Thanks again!
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#2. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Hi Steve,

I have a a decent collection of lenses and several bodies, most of which have AF fine tune capability and so far, none of the lenses have required adjustment on any of the bodies.
While it is possible to have a problem with back focus or front focus with a particular lens, the likelihood is very low.

Best Regards,
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stevelink3 Registered since 21st Apr 2013Tue 23-Apr-13 01:49 AM
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#4. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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>Hi Steve,
>
>I have a a decent collection of lenses and several bodies,
>most of which have AF fine tune capability and so far, none of
>the lenses have required adjustment on any of the bodies.
>While it is possible to have a problem with back focus or
>front focus with a particular lens, the likelihood is very
>low.

Hi Marty.
Wow. That is certainly reassuring news! (I actually just received the D5200 with a 16-85 f/3.5-5.6 G AF-S Zoom Nikkor and the Nikkor 35mm f/1.8 G AF-S today, and will test it this evening!) I am hoping to achieve the stellar sharpness and image detail that Nikon is famous for! Thanks again for your prompt and encouraging feedback sir!
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#3. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Seattle, WA, US
          

To some extent it is the luck of the draw, but it is not as bad as you might think. Here is a good article on how it works:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2008/12/this-lens-is-soft-and-other-myths

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Joseph K
Seattle, WA, USA

D700, D200, D70S, 24-70mm f/2.8, VR 70-200mm f/2.8 II,
50mm f/1.4 D, 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR, 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 DX

  

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#6. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

>To some extent it is the luck of the draw, but it is not as
>bad as you might think. Here is a good article on how it
>works:
>http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2008/12/this-lens-is-soft-and-other-myths
>
Understood, Joseph! I am testing my kit tonight, and hopefully, if my body is a "+2", then my lenses are a "-2"!
Thank you,
Steve
>---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+
>Joseph K
>Seattle, WA, USA
>
>D700, D200, D70S, 24-70mm f/2.8, VR 70-200mm f/2.8 II,
>50mm f/1.4 D, 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR, 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 DX
>

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San Antonio, US
          

Is there a list of which Nikon cameras have the lens calibration adjustment (the article appears to be a bit dated)? I'm particularly interested in knowing if the D5100, D5200, D7000, and D7100 have this.

The articles at lensrentals.com are excellent.

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>Is there a list of which Nikon cameras have the lens
>calibration adjustment (the article appears to be a bit
>dated)? I'm particularly interested in knowing if the D5100,
>D5200, D7000, and D7100 have this.
>
>The articles at lensrentals.com are excellent.
>
>Al
>
Hi Al.
I have the D5200, and can say with certainty that it does NOT have any option for either AF Micro-Adjustment or any Sharpness adjustment.
I do believe the D7000 and D7100 have AF Micro-Adjustment, but that's based on what I've read. I am hoping that my new D5200 can achieve optimum sharpness with at least 2 Nikkors: the 16-85 and the 35. Thanks, and good luck sir! Steve

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#11. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Martinsville, US
          

I don't know about that Lens Tuning Feature But the Sharpness should be in the 5200. Because it's in my 3200. and that's a cheaper camera (in the Grand scheme of things - but not in my billfold) you go into camera shooting menu and set picture control. you can set Sharpness, Contrast, Brightness, Saturation and Hue.

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#13. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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>I don't know about that Lens Tuning Feature But the Sharpness
>should be in the 5200. Because it's in my 3200. and that's a
>cheaper camera (in the Grand scheme of things - but not in my
>billfold) you go into camera shooting menu and set picture
>control. you can set Sharpness, Contrast, Brightness,
>Saturation and Hue.

Phillip,
Thank you for enlightening me on the location of the Sharpness adjustment option! You are quite correct...it is in the Set Picture Control section. I plan to spend more time testing it in the next few days. Steve

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Hi Alfred,

>Is there a list of which Nikon cameras have the lens
>calibration adjustment (the article appears to be a bit
>dated)? I'm particularly interested in knowing if the D5100,
>D5200, D7000, and D7100 have this.

The D3000 Series and D5000 Series bodies do not have AF Fine Tune.

The D7000 Series (D7000, D 7100), D300, D300s, D600, D700, D800/D800E, D3 Series and D4 Series bodies have AF Fine Tune capability.

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Thank you Marty, and all, for the information.
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I don't understand. Let's say I have a perfect camera, a perfect lens and a point source of light at a distance of 10 feet. The point source of light emits an infinite number of rays in all directions. Some of these rays hit the lens, which bends them so they all converge on a single point on the camera's sensor. If I now move the light to 9 feet, the lens will bend the rays so they converge either before or behind the sensor. If I adjust the lens to focus a 9 feet, the light rays again converge to a point on the sensor. If I then move the light back to 10 feet, the point of convergance will again be either before or behind the sensor. What's the problem? Just refocus the lens.

The problem, it seems to me, is determining when the adjustment has the point of convergence on the sensor. Using live view, when you see the light reduce to a point on the viewing screen, you are in focus. But using autofocus, things are different. Again, using a perfect lens and perfect camera and a point source of light at 10 feet, the rays hit the lens and it bends them so they converge on the sensor. But there is a mirror that reflects most of the rays up to the viewfinder and the rest down to a focusing sensor on the bottom of the camera. Since the camera is perfect, the distance from the lens to the imaging sensor and the focusing sensor is exactly the same and the rays going down to the focusing sensor also converge to a point. If I move the light to 9 feet, the focusing sensor will on longer see a point so it will tell the lens to start focusing. When it again sees a point, it will tell the lens to stop. When the picture is taken, the mirror and shutter get out of the way and the rays go to the imaging sensor and converge as a point there also.

Now, we switch to another copy of the same lens. This one is not perfect. If I focus it manually using live view, there should be no problem. When I see a point of light on the viewing screen, I'm in focus and the light is converging on the imaging sensor. However, if the camera is perfect, in auto focus mode, it should tell the lens to start focusing and when it sees a point of light on the focusing sensor it will tell the lens to stop focusing. At this time, since the camera is perfect, the light rays.will also be converging to a point on the image sensor.

In high school, I had an algebra teacher that presented a beautiful algebraic "proof" that 3 equaled 4 and challenged us to prove it wrong. When we had given up, he showed us where he had hidden a division by zero (this was a lead in to calculus). So far, do I have a division by zero in my thoughts above?

OK. So, let's deal with an imperfect camera. We should still be able to manually focus using live view. However even in the case of a perfect lens, when the the light rays converge to a point on the focusing sensor, they will not converge on the imaging sensor. They will converge either before it or behind it.

Now one of the questions I have is how the fine focus tuning works on the cameras that have this feature. Does it physically move something, either the focusing sensor, the imaging sensor or the mirror, so that when the rays converge on the focusing sensor they also converge on the imaging sensor? Or does it tell the lens to go "just a little more or a little less" when the rays converge on the focusing sensor, thereby causing them to converge on the imaging sensor instead?

There has been discussion about a mechanical adjustment inside the 5100 that moves something (I'm assuming the focusing sensor) so that the focusing sensor and the imaging sensor are exactly the same distance from the lens. He makes it sound easy, but I keep hearing the Mythbusters sayng,"DON'T try this at home. We're what you call (pregnant pause) EXPERTS". But it seems that if this adjustment were made so that the distance was spot on the same from the lens to each sensor, it wouldn't matter if the lens was or was not perfect; the camera would tell the lens to keep focusing 'til focus was achieved on the focusing sensor. And since the camera is now perfect, focus would also be achieved on the imaging sensor.

Does anyone know of anyone know of a repair facility that would make this kind of adjustment - ie. "blueprint" the camera? I don't have a big enough pair of brass ones to try it myself.

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#16. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

>Hi Alfred,
>
>>Is there a list of which Nikon cameras have the lens
>>calibration adjustment (the article appears to be a bit
>>dated)? I'm particularly interested in knowing if the
>D5100,
>>D5200, D7000, and D7100 have this.
>
>The D3000 Series and D5000 Series bodies do not have AF Fine
>Tune.
>
>The D7000 Series (D7000, D 7100), D300, D300s, D600, D700,
>D800/D800E, D3 Series and D4 Series bodies have AF Fine Tune
>capability.

Marty,
I've been testing the D5200 with the Nikkor 16-85 and the Nikkor 35 f/1.8 G. When I set in-camera Sharpness to +2, I "think" my images are sharp, and then further slight enhancements in post (GIMP) improve things further. However, I still don't think I'm getting the biting razor-sharp images I expect from this sensor. Please see Aruba image samples at totalqualityphoto com. So, I am still thinking that the D7100 might give me that "edge" (pardon the pun). I think that my lenses should be sufficiently sharp for this sensor, but I realize that one of the Micro-Nikkors would be superior. Thank you, Steve

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#17. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Steve, If you suspect you're not getting sharp results from your lenses, put your camera on a tripod and take the same photo with the lens focused through the viewfinder and compare it to one taken with LiveView. The LiveView photo will have perfect auto focus.

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stevelink3 Registered since 21st Apr 2013Fri 10-May-13 04:16 PM
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#20. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

>Steve, If you suspect you're not getting sharp results from
>your lenses, put your camera on a tripod and take the same
>photo with the lens focused through the viewfinder and compare
>it to one taken with LiveView. The LiveView photo will have
>perfect auto focus.
>
>Len
>
Hi Len. Yes, I shoot on a tripod (using Live View) 99.9% of the time, especially for my product and landscape images, as I realize that LiveView flips the mirror up and combines the 2 second delay prior to opening the shutter, so I feel I'm getting the best results from the camera in this mode of shooting. That said, the attached image of Aruba Palapa Detail was hand-held (shooting through viewfinder) using the 16-85 (with a B+W filter on the lens), and I feel that this image is sufficiently sharp.
Do you recommend a certain workflow (GIMP, ViewNX, Capture NX, etc.) for optimum sharpness with Nikon NEF or jpeg files? (If you read my comment to Marty, you'll see I'm having issues installing/opening Adobe apps, which is a bit disturbing, since my app of choice has always been Photoshop, but now I can't even open it. Working to rectify this issue ASAP.) Thank you sir,
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Leonard62 Gold Member Awarded for excellent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community, especially of Nikkor Lenses Nikonian since 15th Mar 2009Sat 11-May-13 02:08 PM
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#21. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Sat 11-May-13 02:18 PM by Leonard62

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Steve, If you're using LiveView most of the time than autofocus is not the problem. I doubt you will get any sharper photos with the D7100. However I do find that with Nikon's latest DX cameras you'll probably find that shooting in raw will increase the sharpness. I use CNX2 and CS6. I don't know why you can't open Photoshop. While I prefer to use my old Apple G5 Mac Pro I had to upgrade to a newer Mac with Intel processor to install both Adobe's CS5 and CS6 and the latest versions of CNX2. The older Motorola processors are no longer supported. But I'm afraid I can't help you with your Windows 7 computer. I disposed of 4 Windows computers 9 years ago and went over to Apple. That was also when I retired so I didn't have to be compatible with my work computer any more. It was for me a very good move.

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#22. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

>Steve, If you're using LiveView most of the time than
>autofocus is not the problem. I doubt you will get any sharper
>photos with the D7100. However I do find that with Nikon's
>latest DX cameras you'll probably find that shooting in raw
>will increase the sharpness. I use CNX2 and CS6. I don't know
>why you can't open Photoshop. While I prefer to use my old
>Apple G5 Mac Pro I had to upgrade to a newer Mac with Intel
>processor to install both Adobe's CS5 and CS6 and the latest
>versions of CNX2. The older Motorola processors are no longer
>supported. But I'm afraid I can't help you with your Windows 7
>computer. I disposed of 4 Windows computers 9 years ago and
>went over to Apple. That was also when I retired so I didn't
>have to be compatible with my work computer any more. It was
>for me a very good move.
>
>Len

Hi Len. Thanks again for your insights, sir! Upon further testing, I am actually finding that my images with the D5200 are as sharp or sharper than those from my "old" Pentax K-5 system. This, using the Nikkors 16-85 and 35 f/1.8, not even the Micro-Nikkors, so I think I am pleased with regard to image sharpness. However, I still like the D7100 feature set better, and may acquire one of those in the near future. One thing I am noticing is that on the D5200, after using it in Live View mode for 45 minutes or so, the battery seems to deplete by 1 or 2 bars...Is that normal? (I've only taken perhaps 20 exposures in that period of time. I use the Live View to study the image composition, sharpness, Focus point, etc.)
As for Windows v Mac, I'm rather locked into Windows since I use them at work, though I do use an Apple Cinema Display. Thanks, Steve

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#18. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

Hi Steve,

The Aruba images look ok to me, though they are not hi rez images.

With regard to your in camera settings, are you shooting Raw and using Nikon software to convert the images, or third party software?


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#19. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

>Hi Steve,
>
>The Aruba images look ok to me, though they are not hi rez
>images.
>
>With regard to your in camera settings, are you shooting Raw
>and using Nikon software to convert the images, or third party
>software?
>
>
HI Marty. Thank you for your assessment of my Aruba images. Yes, they're low rez by necessity, to conform to the forum's image size requirements. As for my workflow, the short story is that I now have GIMP, ViewNX, and just downloaded a trial version of Nikon Capture NX. The Aruba images were processed (from "Fine" jpegs) in GIMP. My image editing tool of choice is Photoshop, but my version of CS4 was corrupted (crashing when viewing EXIF data), and for an as yet unknown reason, I cannot install and run any large application, giving this error:
"The application was unable to start correctly 0xc00000007b", when launching any Adobe app (Photoshop CS6, Lightroom 4.1 or 4.4). The apps install without error, but do not launch. Adobe said they installed properly, and that it's a Windows issue. I've tried reinstalling Microsoft DotNet 1.1 and 4.0, without success, so I have other issues going on with my Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit machine.
That said, I still feel that the D7100 would fit my needs better than the D5200, and I hope to be able to acquire one soon. Thank you for your advice! Steve

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#23. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Sun 12-May-13 02:41 AM by pjonesCET

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With regard to low Rez. I can attest to that I have pictures That when viewed at 300dpi on my computer for example some recent pictures of Bearded Iris (Lavender with beard being a very deep purple) are so delicate looking the lavender part it almost transparent. And the beard you can actually see very fine veining Of course the original was 69MB file. But to upload to the website you have to reduce 150dpi and no larger than 7" by. you lose all detail.

The original is 10 times better looking that what can be posted on my gallery:

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mareng Registered since 14th Jan 2013Mon 13-May-13 01:48 PM
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#24. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Of course the original was 69MB file. Philip are you sure about 69MB not 6.9MB. I have the 3100 and have never seen 69MB image out of the camera not even in RAW.

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#25. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Your Right its 29 not 69 MB, shot in RAW.

still from 29Mb to 300k Max you lose a lot of detail. From 29MB to 290kB is a factor of ten.

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#26. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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>From 29MB to 290kB is a factor of ten.

It's a factor of 100 in file size, not 10.

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#27. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Tue 14-May-13 03:19 PM by pjonesCET

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Never was Good at Math.

anyway tack sharp Photos straight out of your Camera will look terrible on the Gallery simply because of all the down sampling having to be done. So what you on anyone's Nikonian Gallery that look supper great will look absolutely breathtaking when you see it live.

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#28. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Hi there, new member here. Regarding sharpness of image issues with DX cameras and lenses, certain Nikon cameras do not, of course, have the in-built calibration function. If, like me, you are the owner of a Nikon camera that does not have the in-built sharpness calibration function, you are left to find a methodicity to gaining acceptable sharpness in your images.

When I first started taking photos with the D5000, I found many of the images were softly focussed, and soon became annoyed with it. There was nothing wrong with the camera, or the lenses I was using, it was my picture-taking method, but it was a voyage of discovery that led me to this conclusion.

I tend to shoot a lot of hand-held shots, even for the landscapes, but having invested in a tripod, I started to see some improvement.

If, when using a tripod, for say the D5000, ensure you use the 'delayed exposure' function (to dampen mirror movement), and turn 'VR' off on your lens. Also, invest in the remote control for your particular camera, as using your finger to press the shutter release can induce vibrations, even when the camera is mounted on a tripod.

Another issue with the D5000 is to use the correct or optimal aperture setting, try not use anything smaller than F11, and focus at a point about a third of the way into the scene from the camera. Smaller apertures than F11 can often bring about soft focus issues due to diffraction.

I guess the point I am making is to firstly eliminate errors in your picture-taking method before placing blame on any of your equipment. It will help to save time and inconvenience of returning items back to store or manufacturer. I should also think that the little tricks I have outlined here in my post are already known by you guys?

  

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#29. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Sun 19-May-13 09:25 PM by stevelink3

US
          

>Hi there, new member here. Regarding sharpness of image
>issues with DX cameras and lenses, certain Nikon cameras do
>not, of course, have the in-built calibration function. If,
>like me, you are the owner of a Nikon camera that does not
>have the in-built sharpness calibration function, you are left
>to find a methodicity to gaining acceptable sharpness in your
>images.
>
>When I first started taking photos with the D5000, I found
>many of the images were softly focussed, and soon became
>annoyed with it. There was nothing wrong with the camera, or
>the lenses I was using, it was my picture-taking method, but
>it was a voyage of discovery that led me to this conclusion.
>
>I tend to shoot a lot of hand-held shots, even for the
>landscapes, but having invested in a tripod, I started to see
>some improvement.
>
>If, when using a tripod, for say the D5000, ensure you use the
>'delayed exposure' function (to dampen mirror movement), and
>turn 'VR' off on your lens. Also, invest in the remote control
>for your particular camera, as using your finger to press the
>shutter release can induce vibrations, even when the camera is
>mounted on a tripod.
>
>Another issue with the D5000 is to use the correct or optimal
>aperture setting, try not use anything smaller than F11, and
>focus at a point about a third of the way into the scene from
>the camera. Smaller apertures than F11 can often bring about
>soft focus issues due to diffraction.
>
>I guess the point I am making is to firstly eliminate errors
>in your picture-taking method before placing blame on any of
>your equipment. It will help to save time and inconvenience of
>returning items back to store or manufacturer. I should also
>think that the little tricks I have outlined here in my post
>are already known by you guys?

HI. thanks for your post. Yes, your methods are good practice, and though probably known by most of this forum, they bear repeating for those who are still experiencing sharpness issues on bodies without AF Fine Tune ability. FWIW, I am seeing pretty good sharpness from my D5200, even with the Nikkor 16-85 with a B+W UV mrc filter attached! Please see sample image attached. Thanks, Steve



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#30. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Wed 22-May-13 08:26 PM by pjonesCET

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here are two samples of what I run into, with My 3200.
I realize the 5200 has the articulated display and other perks.
But the 5200 and 3200 are more alike than apart.






Both were taken with Camera on Tripod in exact same position. Different Lens. 10-24mm and 55-200.
Camera was set AF-S and used matrix Display the focus spot was set to Focus in on the white Flower made sure was set dead in the middle of the white Flower.

I know it’s a weird subject but I am into Genealogy as well. All the people on the Stones highlighted in photos are Departed Relatives. In The same Gallery I have views of The Church and wide angle view of upper and lower Cemetery in those photos not everyone is related although many are.

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#31. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

>here are two samples of what I run into, with My 3200.
>I realize the 5200 has the articulated display and other
>perks.
>But the 5200 and 3200 are more alike than apart.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Both were taken with Camera on Tripod in exact same position.
>Different Lens. 10-24mm and 55-200
>camera was set AF-S and used matrix Display the focus spot was
>set to ket in on the white Flower made sure was set dead in
>the middle of the white Flower.
>
>I know it’s a weird subject but I am into Genealogy as well.
>All the people on the Stones highlighted in photos are
>Departed Relatives. In The same Gallery I have views of The
>Church and wide angle view of upper and lower Cemetery in
>those photos not everyone is related although many are.

Phillip,

A few comments if I may...I would expect the Nikkor 10-24 to be sharper than the 55-200. I would focus on the gravestone rather than the flower. Plus, I recommend tripods and heads from RRS, Gitzo, Induro, or upper-end Manfrotto. Sometimes "off-brand" tripods can counterintuitively add more vibration than they suppress. I would use AF-S, IR Remote with 2 second delay, and Live View to compose the image, and a middle aperture no smaller than f/8 to optimize sharpness further, since essentially you're only concerned with a single plane of focus, so DOF isn't an issue. FWIW, I've been getting pretty good sharpness from my D5200 when used in a similar fashion (with Nikkors 16-85 and 35 f/1.8). Best of Luck, sir! Steve

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#32. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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I'll take the information under advisement.

Problems I ran into: I considered and tried the the Live view but because of the sun's position related to the items taken, washed out the display making it unusable. (I know of no shade for display) And the Display eats the battery power like there is no tomorrow. two shots would have fully drained the battery.) Although I have fully Charged spare. I would have needed more than one spare to finished all the pictures. I've take three very short movies using Live view and after I turned it off it the case was hot to the touch. I figure is the power it takes to run the display baclight.

How do you go about focusing if using the remote? Does press half down to focus remotely? or do you focus first on Camera then press release?

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#34. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Wed 22-May-13 09:20 PM by Leonard62

Hatboro, Pa, US
          

> And the Display eats the battery power like there
>is no tomorrow. two shots would have fully drained the
>battery.) Although I have fully Charged spare. I would have
>needed more than one spare to finished all the pictures. I've
>take three very short movies using Live view and after I
>turned it off it the case was hot to the touch. I figure is
>the power it takes to run the display baclight.
>

Phillip, your D3200 seems to have a problem. LiveView should not drain the battery that quickly. I was just outside for over 1/2 hour with LiveView on the whole time while taking 20 photos. When I started the battery showed two green bars. When I finished it still showed two green bars. I don't shoot in movie mode so I don't know how long the battery would last or if the camera gets hot.

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#35. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

>I'll take the information under advisement.
>
>Problems I ran into: I considered and tried the the Live view
>but because of the sun's position related to the items taken,
>washed out the display making it unusable. (I know of no shade
>for display) And the Display eats the battery power like there
>is no tomorrow. two shots would have fully drained the
>battery.) Although I have fully Charged spare. I would have
>needed more than one spare to finished all the pictures. I've
>take three very short movies using Live view and after I
>turned it off it the case was hot to the touch. I figure is
>the power it takes to run the display baclight.
>
>How do you go about focusing if using the remote? Does press
>half down to focus remotely? or do you focus first on Camera
>then press release?

Phillip,
Yes, using the D5200, I too, notice that the Live View eats batteries fast. That's one reason I'm considering the D7100, with its larger (albeit heavier) battery. To answer your question about the remote, the Nikon ML-L3 is a great little IR remote that does indeed AF before the exposure. (There is no "half-press" on the remote. I simply compose, set AF point via Live View, then when ready, press the remote and the camera gain focuses on the selected AF point and trips the shutter, either immediately or via an optional 2-second delay that can be set via the Drive button on my D5200. This way, you eliminate ANY "mirror slap" vibration, and provided you have a good tripod as mentioned previously, get optimum sharpness from your kit. Have fun!

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#33. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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I@m not sure exactly what point you are illustrating with these two shots, Phillip - but in case it's relevant I'd just like to point out that the camera was not in exactly the same position for the two shots. The perspective of the closer pair of stones relative to the more distant stones shows that the wide-angle shot was taken from closer, a little lower, and a bit to the left.

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#36. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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Thu 23-May-13 02:55 PM by pjonesCET

Martinsville, US
          

The point I was getting at was the sharpness of Focus the wide angle lens everything even the carved letters were in focus Each time I had AF assist on and focused as sharp as I could get it. I bought the 55-200 from Sears (Don't have any camera shops in the area unless I drive about 2 hours. We use to have Ritz camera about an hour away but they went bust and now are only an online catalog place, when I had my 3000. And it worked fine. But with this 3200 ... ) I noticed the Range finder Markers used in the 3000 were much darker and more pronounced than on the 3200. The markers are almost like look for cat's whiskers or even finer. It was obvious when you were in focus they were tack sharp on the 3000. On the 3200 if you think your in focus you can't depend upon using the marks as an indicator they are so fine you can't perceive them being in or out of focus. So it may be an issue of the 55-200 isn't meant or suited for this camera. And the AF adjustment that are on other cameras would be to my advantage if it was available. I've wasted people's time to much on this thread even though AF was the point of my jumping in.

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#37. "RE: D5200 and AF Adjustment "
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US
          

>The point I was getting at was the sharpness of Focus the
>wide angle lens everything even the carved letters were in
>focus Each time I had AF assist on and focused as sharp as I
>could get it. I bought the 55-200 from Sears (Don't have any
>camera shops in the area unless I drive about 2 hours. We use
>to have Ritz camera about an hour away but they went bust and
>now are only an online catalog place, when I had my 3000. And
>it worked fine. But with this 3200 ... ) I noticed the Range
>finder Markers used in the 3000 were much darker and more
>pronounced than on the 3200. The markers are almost like look
>for cat's whiskers or even finer. It was obvious when you were
>in focus they were tack sharp on the 3000. On the 3200 if you
>think your in focus you can't depend upon using the marks as
>an indicator they are so fine you can't perceive them being in
>or out of focus. So it may be an issue of the 55-200 isn't
>meant or suited for this camera. And the AF adjustment that
>are on other cameras would be to my advantage if it was
>available. I've wasted people's time to much on this thread
>even though AF was the point of my jumping in.

Hi Phillip.
I find this thread interesting and informative, and value the comments of the various Nikonians, who are much more knowledgeable about new Nikon gear than I. So, thanks for the original question! And FWIW, I'm finding that the D5200's general "Sharpness" menu setting at "3", combined with my small tweaks in post processing, give me quite good sharpness, at least with the Nikkor 16-85.
Steve

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