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John Bertotti Gold Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Fri 26-Oct-12 05:06 PM
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"Catching cats"


Garretson, US
          

I am always getting eyes closed. I think I am on rear sync for flash but even when I don't need flash eyes are closed. I do a half push of the shutter button let it focus then when the cats eyes are open again I shot. But still the eyes are closed and ca. See the cat close his eyes? I am sure it is a setting and technique but which ones or wha should I do? Thanks Bertotti

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aolander Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Sep 2006Fri 26-Oct-12 07:15 PM
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#1. "RE: Catching cats"
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The cat is blinking from the pre-flash. Use manual flash or FV lock which locks the TTL output so no pre-flash occurs.

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John Bertotti Gold Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Fri 26-Oct-12 07:41 PM
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Fri 26-Oct-12 11:52 PM by John Bertotti

Garretson, US
          

Thanks I will look up fv lock and how to do that on my camera!

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John Bertotti Gold Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Sat 27-Oct-12 02:23 AM
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Garretson, US
          

I didn't find this setting in my d3200 could it be called something else? I did find I am in rear curtain sync and will switch to red eye instead to see how it goes, as soon as the cat feels like cooperating! Thanks!

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coolmom42 Silver Member Awarded for her enthusiastic support of the community and exemplifying the Nikonian mission “Share, Learn and Inspire” Nikonian since 30th Nov 2011Sat 27-Oct-12 04:28 AM
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The red eye reduction doesn't work either with my cat. I just use a regular flash mode, and fix the weird eye color in LR. You can use the spot correction tool in clone mode, and copy a dark color, or use the correction brush with saturation set to -100% & exposure adjustment if necessary for the spot.

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John Bertotti Gold Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Sat 27-Oct-12 04:57 AM
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Sat 27-Oct-12 04:58 AM by John Bertotti

Garretson, US
          

That would be great if he wouldn't blink when the shutter releases. I just can't get him with his eyes open. Maybe I will have to try a manual flash mode.

Sorry not trying to be a wise guy just frustrated. I appreciate the advice and I'm sure I will use it if I ever get him with his eyes open! Lol

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blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004Sat 27-Oct-12 11:30 AM
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Sat 27-Oct-12 04:37 PM by blw

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I'm mildly surprised, as I've taken many flash pictures of cats and never had the problem. Other animals and some insects, but not cats. Here are a few suggestions:

- Use bounce flash. That way the flash tube is not directed at the subject, and it is far less disruptive to the vision system. (People like this too.) It also neatly solves the problem of redeye, since the light is no longer coming from the flash, it's coming from the reflective surface. This is probably why I don't have the problem - I nearly always use bounce flash, unless I cannot. (Ie I'm outdoors and there is nothing to bounce from...) This also has the property of reducing or more usually eliminating the harsh flash shadows. Many shots therefore do not have that "flash" look.



D100, 55-200VR @ 115mm, 1/60th, f/4.8, ISO 200, bounce flash from SB-600, hand held. You'd have to know this cat to know that he's not blinking, but he's not, he's just sleepy. (He is a very lazy cat.) You can also tell that this was a flash exposure by looking at the highlights in the eyes. Other than that, few would guess that this is a flash photograph.

- If you must use direct flash, use one of the modes that does not use an iTTL pre-flash. The "Auto" mode does this, at least with external speedlights (I'm not sure about a built-in). This is accomplished by reading the light from a sensor on the flash, and when it reaches neutral grey, the flash tube is quenched. There's no pre-flash, so there's no opportunity for the subject to respond to it.

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John Bertotti Gold Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Sat 27-Oct-12 11:42 AM
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#7. "RE: Catching cats"
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Sat 27-Oct-12 11:44 AM by John Bertotti

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Out of five cats this is the only one that does it. He is white and black looks like a cow and for a cat he is built like a cow, fat cat. I don't know if my inboard flash is capable of this but I am reading the manual again to check. I think it is time to break down and buy the sipped light. The on board flash works well for me most of the time but as I attempt different shots it has become more and more limiting. Thanks !

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#8. "RE: Catching cats"
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Richmond, US
          

He might just be really quick blinking his eyes. Your rear sync isn't helping, although it's not hurting much. Because it causes the flash to fire when the shutter is about to close, rather than when it opens, it is giving him 1/60th or so more time to blink. In my experience, rear sync is a bit of a specialist thing, and I wouldn't use it unless you're in one of the situations that specifically call for a rear sync.

Here's what I mean about the harsh flash shadow. This one was shot with the onboard flash from the D100, which obviously does not have the ability to bounce:



D100, 18-200VR @ 200mm, f/5.6, VR, hand held, direct flash from onboard.

The focus is terrible, and this also suffers from being wide open at the weakest point of this lens, but the main thing to see here is the flash shadow. It's harsh, tells you exactly where the flash came from, and really is pretty ugly. This is why folks don't like flash.

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aolander Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Sep 2006Sat 27-Oct-12 04:47 PM
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#9. "RE: Catching cats"
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Nevis, US
          

I have not had problems with cats blinking, either. The flash for this image was bounced off of a white ceiling.




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John Bertotti Gold Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Sat 27-Oct-12 10:47 PM
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#11. "RE: Catching cats"
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Garretson, US
          

You guys and your bounces flash. I have taped paper together to try similar and it is better but I need a good flash. Thanks!

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John Bertotti Gold Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Sat 27-Oct-12 10:46 PM
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#10. "RE: Catching cats"
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Garretson, US
          

When using my inboard flash I try to be mindful of what is behind that might catch shadows. I'm not always successful but getting better. I did to look at my desired flash, the sb910, but want to finish Christmas shopping and get caught up on some bills before I jump on it. Thanks for the example I still have plenty of harsh flash on my computer but they are memories so the flash doesn't bother me in those cases.

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