Just so our heads don't stop spinning.

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Kent

I saw that earlier. That may end up more tempting for me to upgrade to than the D800. But I somehow don't think it will be what is being speculated.

Thom Hogan has posted some interesting observations and opinions in the past couple of days about Nikon's direction.

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I'd agree with Thom on most of that, although I don't think that Nikon has a grand strategy of up-selling customers from Coolpix to CX to DX to FX. I think that the missing products in CX (bodies, features, lenses) and DX (lenses) are there largely because Nikon can't make enough stuff fast enough. I suspect that they are having to make choices as to what new products they introduce and DX fell behind because they felt that they needed video, mirrorless and a stronger FX line more.

Not sure about the D600 rumor though. I still think a DX replacement for the D300 is likely to come first.

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>I think that the missing products
>in CX (bodies, features, lenses) and DX (lenses) are there
>largely because Nikon can't make enough stuff fast enough. I
>suspect that they are having to make choices as to what new
>products they introduce and DX fell behind because they felt
>that they needed video, mirrorless and a stronger FX line
>more.
>
>Not sure about the D600 rumor though. I still think a DX
>replacement for the D300 is likely to come first.

What you say above about priorities rings very true. Plus Thom really goes on about a lack of wide-angle DX primes, and I know many people want them, but wide-angles for FX I would have to agree has to have been the bigger priority for Nikon. When I think DX, I think telephoto and super-telephoto. But that is just me, my DX cameras are all about reach and only have telephotos mounted. For everything else for me, there is FX (including some telephoto too).

I think a better indicator of Nikon DX seriousness is a 17-55 update. And of course the DX D300S replacement many of us have been patiently waiting for.

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I just hope it gets its own forum. I don't want a bunch of D600 posts cluttering up my D800 forum.

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>I just hope it gets its own forum. I don't want a bunch of
>D600 posts cluttering up my D800 forum.
>

Now that made me laugh............thank you

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>I just hope it gets its own forum. I don't want a bunch of
>D600 posts cluttering up my D800 forum.
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>Larry - a Bay Area
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>>red";"=""]www.tempered-light.com
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I agree!

BTW, what is the serial number range of your D800 forum so it I will know which D800 forum to join when I get mine?

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>BTW, what is the serial number range of your D800 forum so it
>I will know which D800 forum to join when I get mine?

Believe me Chuck, I wish I knew.


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Sound like this could be my "Dream" camera.
A D7000 with full frame sensor.
Hopefully >16MP and >$2000
with super high ISO
and HD1080P Video at 60fps.

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"I just hope it gets its own forum. I don't want a bunch of D600 posts cluttering up my D800 forum."

I see what you did there.
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No need to worry about clutter, I for one won't be interested as I need an upgrade to the D300s. However I would love a D400 to clutter the D100/200/300 forum. Regards full frame I'll keep my D700 and clutter the forum there

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>I just hope it gets its own forum. I don't want a bunch of
>D600 posts cluttering up my D800 forum.
>
I just hope a bunch of D800 files don't clutter my hard drives any time soon haha

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D800 should have its own forum. Nikon states it is a whole new class of camera and not the D700's replacement.

The D600 seems to be the missing D700 replacement, so make a D600/D700 forum. Of course I could just be biased because I own a D800.

>I just hope it gets its own forum. I don't want a bunch of
>D600 posts cluttering up my D800 forum.
>
>Larry - a Bay Area


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Well now the rumor is that it will be 24MP, not have an internal AF motor, and that the price will be low...maybe about $1500.

Now that sounds like a nice entry level full frame DSLR to me. I wouldn't mind getting one if the rumors are true. The problem that I have is how Nikon is coming out with all of these cameras and no one can get one easily. Maybe they should focus more on catching up with demand with what they have out now before they announce more DSLR's that no one can get their hands on. It's hard to get a D7000, and that camera has been out for about two years!

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The pro cameras (D3/D4, D700/D800) are made in Sendai, Japan. By introducing a lower-end FX camera made in another country (Thailand, China or Malaysia) they may actually improve matters by reducing demand on the Japanese-made cameras. In fact, since most of their consumer cameras are made in Thailand, introducing cameras made in China or Malaysia might be very beneficial to supply.

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If that is the case, then where are all of the D7000's? Some lenses seem to be in short supply as well.

I hope that is the case because I would like to get my D800 soon. I just hate to have more camera's out there that no one is able to get their hands on because Nikon can't keep up with demand.

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If this new camera is around 24MP, is reasonably compact and isn't dumbed down too much (I'd like to see it at at D7000 functionality level) then life just becomes perfect for me - I'll sell my D700 and D7000 and pick up two D600 bodies. My dream has always been a 2 identical body FX setup that doesn't break the bank. I only have 2 x D series primes which I'd happily sell if this new camera doesn't have an internal focusing motor so that's not a deal breaker at all. I guess it won't have a 100% viewfinder, the 5:4 crop mode or a few other bells and whistles but I can live with that I guess

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I dont understand why Nikon would make an entry level FX camera .... A lot of people that buys entry level cameras is because its in their budged for a DSLR, now with the D600 they will have to buy more expensive FX lenses.

From the looks of it the D600 will be for entry level amateurs only.
If you own a D800 then I see no reason why you would want a D600.

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It would be nice if it had an articulating LCD that was better in daylight.
To get a FullFrame Sensor in there I suppose an EVF might be in order.
But, please lock the multiselector.
I got rid of the D5100 because I constantly bumped it out of adjustment.

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<<If you own a D800 then I see no reason why you would want a D600.>>

Or in my case with my D700 why would I want one. Personally I feel that Nikon have gone down a silly route now. But, hey what do I know against Nikons very experienced sales research team! I have yet to see one single image that tells me that a D800 will give me any more than my D700. This IMHO this is a high pixel sell strategy trying to court the inexperienced or new amateur photographers.

Out of interest I started a thread running over on the D100/200/300 forum where I have said that I suspect Nikon are seperating their camera range into a difinite divide of DX and FX. See http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=149&topic_id=185046&mesg_id=185046&page=

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Quote>I dont understand why Nikon would make an entry level FX camera ....
A lot of people that buys entry level cameras is because its in their budged for a DSLR,
now with the D600 they will have to buy more expensive FX lenses <Quote<<<

Answer: Nikon makes more money on FX lens.



Quote>From the looks of it the D600 will be for entry level amateurs only.
>If you own a D800 then I see no reason why you would want a D600.

Answer: A lot of us SemiPros need a smaller, lighter camera.
At 67 I cannot hand hold a D4 all day. Even a D800 can be too heavy with a 70-200 lens.
I tried a MonoPod but it is too awkward for me in heavy action like MotoCross.

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<<A lot of us SemiPros need a smaller, lighter camera.>>

I'm not a semi pro, but I agree with that. However, I have now managed to have success after months of with the monopod using both the 70-200mm, 300mm f4 and the very heavy Sigma 50-500mm OS lenses. It's my shoulders that ache after a long shoot handheld.

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>Quote>From the looks of it the D600 will be for entry level
>amateurs only.
>>If you own a D800 then I see no reason why you would want
>a D600.
>
>Answer: A lot of us SemiPros need a smaller, lighter camera.
>At 67 I cannot hand hold a D4 all day. Even a D800 can be too
>heavy with a 70-200 lens.
>I tried a MonoPod but it is too awkward for me in heavy action
>like MotoCross.
>
>

Yes that is true if you are looking for something lighter.
I am just saying that if you own a D800 camera then you are obviously not an entry level amateur photographer ( unless you just have more money than you know what to do with)
So if you are above an entry level photographer then I see no need for this D600, if you are looking for a light weight camera then I am sure the upcoming D400 will be a much much better option.
Is having an FX sensor that important then to buy an entry level FX camera rather than a semi pro DX camera ?

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>>Quote>
if you are looking for a light weight camera then I am sure the upcoming D400 will be a much much better option.
>Is having an FX sensor that important then to buy an entry level FX camera rather than a semi pro DX camera ?<Quote<<<

Short answer: YES

Actually maybe, as it depends on the camera sizes and features.
If the D400 has a multiselector lock and the D600 does not, that alone might sway my decision.

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>So if you are above an entry level photographer then I see no
>need for this D600, if you are looking for a light weight
>camera then I am sure the upcoming D400 will be a much much
>better option.
>Is having an FX sensor that important then to buy an entry
>level FX camera rather than a semi pro DX camera ?
>

Despite the marketing labels and price tags I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that the camera makes the photographer. There are countless examples of outstanding images made using the most basic of tools. I for one certainly don't judge the quality of my work by the camera I shoot. I always keep an entry-level body in my kit because I carry my camera gear far into the backcountry and a lower end body is a premium in weight saving.

If a label is to be applied I'd put myself firmly in the semi-pro camp and I'm all over the specs of the D600. An affordable, lighter weight FX body is going to be a far better compliment to my line up than another DX body.

FWIW my money is on the D300 replacement being a D7200 or D8000. I think the DX00 series will henceforth be FX and the DX line up DX000

Do you remember the thread awhile back that the D800 would kill Nikon lens sales and cause a Nikon stock price drop? Guess what a D600 FX would do for Nikon lens sales?

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Quote>Do you remember the thread awhile back that the D800 would
>kill Nikon lens sales and cause a Nikon stock price drop?
>Guess what a D600 FX would do for Nikon lens sales?<Quote<<<

The D800 has increased lens sales and Nikon stock prices.
I think an "entry level" FullFrame DSLR would do more so.

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walk33:

Yep and I included that in my figuring of the route they are taking in my post on the D100/200/300 forum. About 12 months ago I mentioned somewhere that I thought they would eventually phase out DX cameras and lenses. I seem to remember being dismissed by many then and probably would be now. The comparisons I make is for the loyal Olympus users both past and present. They backed out of the dSLR market at the end of film, came back in and now the situation worries many of my Olympus owner friends.

Anyway, we musn't loose sight of what's happening and as much as we can pontificate on all the issues as it's many unknowns to date. Personally however, I am a wee bit worried about the future direction they may take.

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The whole mythical D600 rumor is fascinating, because the Sony Alpha SLT-A99 coming in August is likely a full-frame 24MP camera. Even if Nikon uses the same/similar sensor with their typical Nikon "specs" there is often a lag of months before the Nikon "competing" model is introduced. So are we looking at December for a D600, or later?

On the other hand, the Sony DSLR-A850 didn't compete successfully with the D3x for a lot more money, even when both had 24.5MP sensors, plus, any D600 would be priced right in the same neighborhood as the SLT-A99. And one will be a dSLR, while the other will be an SLT, so will they really compete? It gets curiouser and curiouser.

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New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery


Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2012/05/23/newupdated-nikon-d600-specifications.aspx/#ixzz1vkm25DWn

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That's starting to look pretty damn good. I was off the train with no focus motor. Now that that's back in the mix, I'm getting a little jazzed. Now I want to know what cards and how many...

fyi, refurbed D700s for just a little over 1900 at the Nikon Outlet. Wow...

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I'm already on the wait list for a D600. I have a D800E.

My thought process is I will convert the D600 to an IR camera rather than convert an existing D300 or D7000. For my IR work, my most frequent subjects are landscapes, architecture, and street. An FX body fits those subjects better than a DX body. The D600 offers newer technology and larger files than the D700, D300, and D7000. It also offers Live View which is an improvement over my D200IR.

This is a bit of a specialty approach, but the opportunity to have an FX IR body with large files is a major step forward. I'll continue to use my D800E as my primary camera.


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Why 100% coverage for FX and only97% for DX. If you have 100% coverage for FX wouldn't you also have 100% coverage for DX? Should this be reversed:100% for DX , 97% for FX?

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Hi:

The D600 seems to be more than a rumor, at this time. Of course, I would be very interested in the camera, if it is announced. I will have to upgrade my computer, which I will have to build myself. I’m ready to go with it: Ivory Bridge Xeon quad-core 3.4 MGHz, 32 GB Ram, 512 GB SS C Drive, 750W power source, top-of-the line case, Zalman heat sink, 3 TB disk drive, etc. It will come to ~ $1,800. At this time, I reached the limit with my present PC with what I have. However, my whole present system is in balance – no weak links.

The more I shoot, the more I’m finding out that I’m a traditionalist at heart. I have been getting deeper and deeper into B&W. The following photo is my latest conversion and rendition:





It was processed from the original NEF file in LR and in Photoshop using the plugin Nik Silver Efex Pro 2. I’m still in the process of learning the B&W Post Processing; one can only learn by doing it. Therefore, what’s the significance of this particular photo? It was taken with my old D40 and the 18-70. Is it the equipment or the photographer? By photographer I mean the whole cycle of capturing the image and post-processing. I do not intend to even insinuate that the above photo is excellent or very good, but far from it. There is no question that the photo rendition can be much better. The significance of this image is that it can be up-scaled.

One of my favorite photographers is Bob Krist. I have no doubt that he would take outstanding photos with a pinhole camera.

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PS: The above photo is in mild sepia colors and I included white vignetting around the edges. It has to be redone, because it is not quite well centered - no rule of thirds for this one. As I said, it is the learning process.



Redone, but nothing I can do about this one. It was taken off-center. The lines of the side colonnades should lead towards the cross colonnade and the fountain, as a result. I find it a bit annoying due to its "off-centricity."

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Nice shot Hektor. I still like the filed out negative carrier look to black and white photo borders. I notice on this one, that they filed the negative, as well... lol

I'm sure that reference will be over the heads of any that haven't been in a darkroom since the 80s, but what can you do..?

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Hi Tony:

Thanks for your nice comments.

The photo was taken at the Getty Villa in Pacific Palisades, outside Los Angeles. It was based on a Roman villa built by J. Paul Getty to house his art works.

It was taken with the D40 and the 18-70, at 18mm (equivalent to 27mm in DX format,) 1/250, f/10, ISO=200, and -2/3 EV. It has some perspective distortions accentuated because the photo was taken off-center. There are certain things that cannot be compensated with PP. I did try by cropping and rotating it very slightly. The moral to the story is one has to visualize the photo before taking it. Therefore, it was imperative for me to be dead center, which I believe, the perspective distortions would have helped instead of fighting the photo. Oh well, it will not happen again .

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PS: Here is another rendition with a copper tonality:





It has the same problems, but with a more severe crop. It is beginning to lose resolution. However, the D40 is a 6MP camera and I have 12MP-16MP cameras. Is it worth upgrading since I mainly publish on the Web? I do not know. The thing I will do, when the D600 comes out, is to go to Samys ant take ~25 photos. Then I'll know.

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