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RavenDog Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Jan 2009Mon 30-Jan-12 01:29 AM
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"D700 Commander versus SB-900 Questions"


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What is the differences between using the internal commander versus a SB-900 for controlling external flashes?

Is the sophistication of the SB-900 more useful? If so, what are the advantages and how can they be used to one's advantage?

Is it a bonus to have the internal commander with the D700 versus the D3/D3s that doesn't have one? Will the D3/D3s operate more effectively/sophisticated with the SB-900.

Do people with the D700 use the SB-900 as a commander in lieu of the internal one?

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Ned_L Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, especially Travel Photography Charter MemberMon 30-Jan-12 01:13 PM
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#1. "RE: D700 Commander versus SB-900 Questions"
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Ray, whether or not using an SB-900 as your commander to run other flashes instead of the D700 built-in flash is a matter of perception, need, and whether or not the difference represents good value to you.

I seriously doubt most people have purchased the SB-900 solely to be a commander. We have to remember there's value in the SB-900 as a flash unit to light up our scene. Forgetting the extra features, it has far more power to light up a scene than the D700's built-in flash, and you can angle it, to easily bounce it too, something the built-in can't do. Lest I forget, if you put the SB-900 on a bracket, you can keep it vertical, above the lens, even in portrait mode (camera turned to the side for a vertical shot), while the built-in will be shining from the side in portrait mode.

The way I see it there are four major differences between the commander capabilities of the D700 built-in flash and the SB-900; 2 groups in the D700, but 3 groups in the SB-900 (both have the Master too), the SB-900's signals are sent further due to its power, when used as both a master and commander, the SB-900 is a superior flash unit compared to the built-in, when used as both a master and commander, the SB-900 can be used off camera for better positioning, helping in a variety of ways, tethered to the camera, via a cable such as the SC-28.

So, here's just one advantage of how the capability of the SB-900 can be used, compared to the built-in flash, as commander. I assume if you're considering using an SB-900 as a commander, there's another flash in the picture which can be a remote under CLS. Let's say you're taking a portrait. You want to light the face from both the left and right, but not straight on, but you want the camera to be pretty much straight on. You can use the SB-900 on the left, attached via an SC-28, and a remote flash on the right. The SB-900 will light the face from the left and command the remote to flash on the right. That's an oft used portrait lighting scheme for two flashes, and couldn't be accomplished by the D700 and one remote.

But what about the sophistication, ... hum? Let's merely talk about that extra group available with the SB-900. That extra group is really handy. For example, put the SB-900 on the left (Master), an SB-700 on the right (Group A), an SB-700 above the head as a hair light (Group B), and an SB-700 to light the background (Group C). With the SB-900 commander controls you can configure each of the 4 flash units to provide the precise light you want for the shot.

Ray, as to, is it a bonus to have the internal commander with the D700, versus none on the D3 series? I have a D700 on which I have used the built-in flash in a couple of emergencies when I left my speedlight in the hotel room while traveling. It was okay compared to the SB-800 or SB-900, but only okay, as far as I'm concerned, but it certainly was better than nothing and allowed me to get the shot. That being said, I don't think you choose between a D700 and a D3 or D4 series camera based on the built-in flash.

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gkaiseril Gold Member Nikonian since 28th Oct 2005Mon 30-Jan-12 02:10 PM
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#2. "RE: D700 Commander versus SB-900 Questions"
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Mon 30-Jan-12 02:16 PM by gkaiseril

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The D3/D3s do not have an internal flash so one needs to add an external flash. You can use the SB-910/900/800 and have 3 remote groups and have the flash unit work as a "Master" unit, control 3 remote groups and provide illumination, or as a "Commander", only control the remote groups. You can even use an SU-800, IR (Infra Red) control, as a 3 group "Commander". They appear to use the same algorithm for the flash calculation. But since the flash exposure also include the ambient illumination and recording ability of the camera's sensor, there could be subtle differences in the overall exposure due the better sensor or exposure metering.

There is also the SB-700 that can control 2 remote groups as a "Master" or "Commander".

The SB-910/900/800/700/600 on the camera can also provide an IR, Infra Red, focus assist with cross focus targets for use in a dark environment while the camera uses a bright white light. Many users fell the IR is less offensive and provides a better focus result.

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RavenDog Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Jan 2009Mon 30-Jan-12 09:08 PM
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#3. "RE: D700 Commander versus SB-900 Questions"
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Austin, US
          

Thanks Guys for you time and effort. I understand and see the difference. Appreciate the education!

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KnightPhoto Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2006Sat 04-Feb-12 05:37 PM
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#4. "RE: D700 Commander versus SB-900 Questions"
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Excellent summation, thanks guys!

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RavenDog Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Jan 2009Sat 04-Feb-12 07:56 PM
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#5. "RE: D700 Commander versus SB-900 Questions"
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Thanks Ned, your examples prompted good understanding/reasoning for the addition of a second SB-900 as I have an SC-28 extension.

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#6. "RE: D700 Commander versus SB-900 Questions"
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It's my pleasure. I have a modified SC-28, I had made, by the way. It's 20 feet long and straight, not coiled. I did it to have a 4 group setup without the tension of the coiled SC-28; master and groups A,B,C.

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iunlock Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Jan 2012Mon 06-Feb-12 05:45 PM
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#7. "RE: D700 Commander versus SB-900 Questions"
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Hi all,

I am brand new to both Nikon and Nikonians. I just ordered my first Nikon the other night, I actually have not even received it yet. I am already shopping for the right flash unit to use on my D700. Is the SB 900 the way to go, or is there an off brand which would suffice?

  

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