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mllanos1111 Registered since 15th Oct 2006Mon 28-Jul-08 08:23 PM
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"Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
Mon 28-Jul-08 08:24 PM by mllanos1111

San Diego, US
          

I'm not seeing these lines on my D300, but I am seeing them on the D700.
Is this banding or what can this be, does anyone else see this at 100% crop?


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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Mon 28-Jul-08 10:53 PM
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#1. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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Mon 28-Jul-08 10:58 PM by agitater

Toronto, CA
          

No banding of any kind visible in images from my D700 at any zoom level. None. Not even a hint of it.

What JPG settings have you configured in the D700?

What software did you use to transfer your image files from the camera?

What software did you use to convert or process your files?

Your image saves as a 24-bit file. Is this a scan of something? If so, the banding has nothing to do with the D700.

There's no identifying file or EXIF data in your JPG so it's impossible to tell anything about this crop, let alone the original image file.

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johno Silver Member Nikonian since 23rd May 2006Mon 28-Jul-08 10:58 PM
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Well it had to start some time. I can barely see some banding in that image. I saw a "banding-Like" effect on a couple of D300 pictures but it proved to be more likely some sort of aliasing with my polarizing filter.

I wonder if that's what's going on here?

Kind of interesting this is showing up in a normal photo. Light bulb photos never really concerend me, but banding on a normal image becomes more interesting.,

  

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Mon 28-Jul-08 11:08 PM
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Until the OP responds to the some of the questions in my previous post, we don't really know much about the origin of the crop he posted.

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mllanos1111 Registered since 15th Oct 2006Mon 28-Jul-08 11:23 PM
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#4. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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Mon 28-Jul-08 11:32 PM by mllanos1111

San Diego, US
          

I shot this in RAW and converted it to JPG and TIFF with NX2.
I see the same thing in the RAW file and all the files have this. If you like I can post the full image somewhere or send someone the entire RAW file.
I used an 85/1.4 and the only filter I had on was Nikon L37C.
Hope this helps.

I've posted the converted file on my flickr and you can see all the EXIF info on it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mllanos/2712187884/sizes/l/

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DKESLERFL Registered since 21st Mar 2003Mon 28-Jul-08 11:47 PM
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#6. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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The page is private so I can't see it.

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mllanos1111 Registered since 15th Oct 2006Mon 28-Jul-08 11:54 PM
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>The page is private so I can't see it.

I just changed it, it's now public.

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#5. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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Marco,

Assuming that is a 100% crop, the lines are every 12 pixels.
So it would appear that one of the 12 channels in the 12 channel readout needs adjusting.
If I'm right it's probably just a sample variation that not everyone will encounter and your camera needs a minor adjustment.

Just a theory based on limited evidence.
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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Tue 29-Jul-08 12:55 AM
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I agree. It has to be a hardware sample variation. I think we've now seen dozens of D700 photos from at least a dozen different owners posting on various sites. No banding of any kind - not even hint of it anywhere. I'm delighted so far with my own D700 shots too.

I wonder if the OP could provide a link to the RAW file or at least an original JPG conversion. There might be something worthwhile in the File or EXIF data that would point in the direction of a solution.

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mllanos1111 Registered since 15th Oct 2006Tue 29-Jul-08 01:26 AM
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#9. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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I guess my link was over looked.
I've posted the converted file on my flickr and you can see all the EXIF info on it or download it.
It may just be a sample problem not sure.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mllanos/2712187884/sizes/l/

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Tue 29-Jul-08 03:02 AM
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#10. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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>I guess my link was over looked.
>I've posted the converted file on my flickr and you can see
>all the EXIF info on it or download it.
>It may just be a sample problem not sure.
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/mllanos/2712187884/sizes/l/

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Tue 29-Jul-08 03:02 AM
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#11. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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Tue 29-Jul-08 03:06 AM by agitater

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>I guess my link was over looked.
>I've posted the converted file on my flickr and you can see
>all the EXIF info on it or download it.
>It may just be a sample problem not sure.
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/mllanos/2712187884/sizes/l/

Didn't miss the link. I missed the flickr link to the original image. I hate flickr. Always have.

Anyway, on my calibrated monitor, the child's complexion looks green. There's definitely a color calibration problem of some sort with your D700 in addition to the banding. Exchange the camera?

My D700 just stopped auto focusing earlier this evening. Back to the store tomorrow morning. No banding or anything else of the kind though. Hopefully, our two problems are isolated.

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mllanos1111 Registered since 15th Oct 2006Tue 29-Jul-08 03:57 AM
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#12. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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Yeah it's going back for an exchange, I didn't have this issue on the D300.

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agitater Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007Tue 29-Jul-08 05:21 PM
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#13. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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Did the exchange this morning. No worries so far and the replacement has scary-fast autofocus and no banding of any kind. This was the first time in over 35 years of buying Nikon products that I received a new camera body or lens with problems.

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wjlapier Registered since 15th May 2004Tue 29-Jul-08 07:50 PM
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College Place, US
          

Seems someone over at FM.com has exhibited banding too. Would be interesting to see if there is something similar in the two cameras to isolate the problem.

  

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Len Shepherd Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2003Tue 29-Jul-08 08:57 PM
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#15. "RE: getting technical"
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- although there is an effect it is very different to the effect with about 3% of early D200 bodies.
Digressing whilst it is rare to get a defective new product buying from a reputable retailer makes an exchange or refund a straightforward matter.
It is probable D700 quality control is not quite so high as for the D3 - if so the percentage of defective D700's will not be quite as low as for the D3.

Photography is a bit like archery. A technically better camera, lens or arrow may not hit the target as often as it could if the photographer or archer does not practice enough.

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73z1 Registered since 06th Apr 2007Thu 31-Jul-08 12:04 AM
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#16. "RE: getting technical"
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>It is probable D700 quality control is not quite so high as
>for the D3 - if so the percentage of defective D700's will not
>be quite as low as for the D3.


Yes, I would assume that the D3 being the flagship, would get a bit more per-camera scrutiny at the plant than the D700. Part of what goes into the final cost point for the more expensive product.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of the D700s now in user hands were built 'in secret', so to speak. The D3 and D300 were announced months before they were shipped and released for sale. Nikon had a lot of time to wring them out in the field and at the demo shows. The D700 was kept quiet until this June and released to retailers less than a month after it was officially announced. Given the rate of sales and the availability, it seems that there were a lot of D700s being built in the dark days before its release to the world.

Even with better quality control, the D700 is probably selling at 2 ~ 3 times the rate of the D3 and there are a LOT more of them available from day one versus the D3. This leads to a potentially higher number of sample issues appearing all at once.

"... you see, but you do not observe."
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aorobert Registered since 01st Sep 2008Fri 05-Sep-08 11:11 PM
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#17. "RE: Possible Banding issue anyone else seeing this?"
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US
          

I have baning at HI2.0 or iso 25,600. But I have an image, too.

  

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