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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Thu 24-Jan-13 10:15 PM
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"Photo Ninja"


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I just downloaded Photo Ninja to give it a try. Their advertising is right - wow! A very impressive product. It is going to give other raw converters some real competition. I had just started migrating to Light Room from Aperture, but I'm being really tempted by Photo Ninja.

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esantos Moderator Nikonians Resources Writer. Recognized for his outstanding reviews on printers and printing articles. Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas, including Landscape Photography Awarded for his extraordinary accomplishments in Landscape Photography. His work has been exhibited at the Smithsonian. Nikonian since 10th Nov 2002Fri 25-Jan-13 03:27 AM
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#1. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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McAllen, US
          

Hi Chris,

Your experiences are very similar to my tests of the product. I have my review of Photo Ninja with some timely information from PictureCode posted on our Resources page.

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mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, sports, commercial, and events coverage, Mick is always ready to help Nikonians by sharing his deep knowledge of photography and printing. Nikonian since 08th Dec 2006Fri 25-Jan-13 04:11 AM
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#2. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Does Photo Ninja allow the use of any Photoshop or LR compatible plug-ins?

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#3. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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They are finishing the plug-ins as we speak

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#4. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Mick,

As JRP pointed out a Photoshop Plug-In is in process as I write this. It should be out in the weeks to come. For now Photo Ninja does read the metadata rating and categorizing tags from LR, Aperture, and Photo Mechanic.

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#5. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Hmmm... I guess I wasn't clear. I'm not interested in using Photo Ninja as a plug-in within Photoshop. I was wondering if you can use PS/LR compatible plug-ins within Photo Ninja.

I am spoiled by the integration of ColorEfex Pro into Capture NX2.

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#6. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Oh okay, no, not at this time. Photo Ninja is more a dedicated raw converter a la ACR with Noise Ninja built in. It is still early in its development as version 1 but I think it has a LOT of potential. It can already do some pretty amazing things with your NEFs. Just as LR was a breath of fresh air in version 1 and now it has really blossomed into a very powerful program. I hope Photo Ninja will develop along the same path.

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Sat 26-Jan-13 03:24 PM
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#7. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Sat 26-Jan-13 03:39 PM by Chris Platt

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I thought I'd post a few comparison images. I'm still figuring out how to use Photo Ninja and it does have limitations that I keep discovering - like limiting file size and quality selections when rendering jpgs. It gives you a limited number of drop down choices instead of sliders or options to enter % quality or specific sizes. At least I haven't discovered another way to do it yet. Also haven't found a spot heal tool yet (which makes me wish I'd blown off the sensor this morning).

Anyway, I snapped a few images at the feeder this morning with my Sigma 50-500 and then converted the same raw files in both LR and Photo Ninja. I tried to get them as close as I could. There is a three dimensional "feel" that is easily achieved with Photo Ninja - it's very difficult to achieve the same effect in LR (at least for me). I may be able to get close in Aperture and I'll try that in a bit.

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mklass Platinum Member As a semi-professional involved in all manner of photographic genres including portraiture, sports, commercial, and events coverage, Mick is always ready to help Nikonians by sharing his deep knowledge of photography and printing. Nikonian since 08th Dec 2006Sat 26-Jan-13 03:28 PM
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#8. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Pretty impressive, Chris. I see what you mean about the 3-D "feel".

I should probably find some time to do a trial on this, but it sounds like V2 will be better fleshed out.

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Sat 26-Jan-13 11:05 PM
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#9. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Sat 26-Jan-13 11:06 PM by Chris Platt

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V2 will undoubtedly fill in some holes. The only thing I really don't want to live without is some sort of spot healing tool. If they could duplicate the one in Aperture, which I think is leaps and bounds better than Lightroom's, I'll be completely sold. I don't mind stepping out to do more elaborate manipulation.

Second attempt today to produce equivalent images with Lightroom and Photo Ninja. Tried a cardinal this time. Cardinals, IMO, are one of the toughest subjects - it is too easy to blow the red channel if you get the least bit aggressive with any contrast/saturation/presence type sliders. I gave up trying to do it with this guy in Aperture. I couldn't get close to the Photo Ninja results without turning him into a red blob. Lightroom and Photo Ninja handle him much better. Photo Ninja lets you get away with murder - it may even make it too easy. It requires restraint to keep from pushing an image too far (I'm thinking the cardinal is just a tad over the edge for my taste).

(This one was with the 800mm Sigma)

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sun 27-Jan-13 11:39 AM
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#10. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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This is really interesting and I am wondering what Ninja would be like with my Egret images where the highlight can really get blown unless I dial in at least -0.3 to 0.7 AV in camera. The differences posted here certainly seem to make quite a difference.

That said, in terms of pure image sharpness I achieve great success by reducing my D800 full size RAW image to 16Mp in Lightroom.

I think I shall have to download a trial.

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Sun 27-Jan-13 01:36 PM
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#11. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Give it a try Richard. I think you will be impressed.

Bright plumage is such a challenge. With a long lens, it's a real balancing act between high ISOs to keep the shutter speed up while at the same time, trying to hold the ISO down to achieve maximum dynamic range. Take a D800 to ISO 1600 and you've reduced the dynamic range by 27% and you're blowing highlights. A program like Photo Ninja that seems to be able to recover more detail out of the highlights is very helpful. I don't know how they've done it, but they have some very impressive algorithms.

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#12. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Sun 27-Jan-13 02:29 PM by richardd300

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Thanks Chris

What I intend to do is wait a few days or a week to try and get out to capture images where Ninja would help with highlights. The trial period is only two weeks and I would like to give it a real try as it's not the most cost effective software at $129. In fact it's only a few dollars short of Lightroom 4! If it does the job then it's worth it.

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#13. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Tacoma, US
          

A discount on this product would be a nice addition to the Nikonians Reward Program! (hint, hint, hint...)

Wasn't there a Noise Ninja discount at one time?

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#14. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Sun 27-Jan-13 02:43 PM by richardd300

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I think the best plan is to enrol on a College photography course and use the receipt to buy student CS6extended $178 instead of $1371), Photo Ninja (50% discount)and all the plug-ins one needs. I did exactly that 3 years ago with CS5, Lightroom etc, etc. and saved an absolute fortune. Also, it all totally legal.

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#15. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Campo, US
          

Hi Chris,

I was looking at your bird pictures that I like and would like your commit if this version is over the edge as you put it. I am trying to learn more with my own processing of my own pictures. I would like any commits you have.

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Sun 03-Mar-13 01:23 PM
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#16. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Newburg, US
          

I don't think it is over the edge with respect to sharpening, but the red channels are definitely clipped around the eyes/head.

Did you try to make adjustments on one of the images I posted here? If so, it would be better to start with the raw file. I'll be happy to provide it if you want experiment.

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#17. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Campo, US
          

Chris I just used the picture off this post as I didn't have the NEF file. I would like to processe the NEF file to see what I can do with it and let you know how I did. That small JPEG file doesn't have a lot to work with.

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Mon 04-Mar-13 12:44 AM
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#18. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Newburg, US
          

Bill,

You can get the NEF here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/djoqdw3jmwxs5ek/_DSC7365.NEF?m

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#19. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Campo, US
          

Hi Chris,

You sent a different picture this time but I edited one in Capture NX2 with Nik’s Efex 3.0, one in Onone Suites 7 and one in Ninja. I like the one edited with Capture NX2, but I must say I was really impressed with Ninja and need to use it more. Although there is some tool missing and if you could add plug-in I would use it.

Wow I was just going to upload off a flash drive on my laptop and was the colors so far off, I really need to calibrate both my computers and wonder what my pictures look like on someone’s else’s computer. Although when I send them to be printed they come back great. But here they are from my desktop in the order above.

Thanks for sharing,
Bill




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#20. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Norcross, US
          

I use Noise Ninja for noise and would use Photo Capture the same way. Is there any improvement in the processing that would justify the addition cost.

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Mon 04-Mar-13 01:53 PM
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#21. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Newburg, US
          

Bob,

Not if you're just going to use if for noise correction. The program clearly has some unique algorithms for demosaicing, exposure and detail adjustment, and sharpening. I love the way it processes those. It also has some weaknesses that keep it from being used alone - no retouch or spot adjustment tool and limitations on the size for rendered jpg files. You have to live with a choice of preset jpg pixel dimensions, i.e., you can specify that pixel dimensions that are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, etc., the original dimensions, but you can't tell it that you want a file to be exactly 1000 or 1200 pixels wide or high (makes it difficult to save a file directly for display on Nikonians).

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#22. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Norcross, US
          

Thanks Chris. I have too much vested in LR to make the change to another intake program. I like Noise Ninja and will continue to use it for that function.

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Mon 04-Mar-13 02:21 PM
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#23. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Newburg, US
          

The Photo Ninja one is clearly better and underscores my point that it is much easier to get the result you're looking for in Photo Ninja - at least with wildlife. I won't judge the others because I am at my work computer and the monitor is not good with graphics.

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#24. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Campo, US
          

Your right Chris about the third picture as all the detail it pulled out of the bird is great. For some reason I thought the color was off, but looking at it some more that is probably the color of the bird and did a better job than the others. I am going to have to buy or get the two week trial so I can export some pictures out of it. Love to have that lens of yours.

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Tue 05-Mar-13 02:06 PM
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#25. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Newburg, US
          

Thanks Bill. That lens loves birds.

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#26. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Wed 06-Mar-13 05:52 AM by jrp

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Chris.
You are right about the incredible detail it can bring out.
Not only that, the subtle tones are also brought up, like the gold sunlight of a sunset in the ridges of stones.
It is absolutely amazing.

I also discovered that in my laptop the default program called up from the desktop shortcut was the 32 bit version, and not the 64.
Once I switched to the 64 version it was flying and allowing me to see immediately any small change done via the sliders.

We knew it was very good to start with, but it is now rendering my images in color, tone and detail that were not that easy to accomplish with other software, if at all possible.

I never read manuals, sorry; but now that I've dedicated some time to read the easy to understand tutorials, it has quite a handful of sub-surface treasures. The one click application of the integrated Noise Ninja, the exchange/transfer of settings/profiles, non-RAW image editing made simple, and more.

Another version was already released (v1.0.4c) and they have another one almost ready (v1.0.5), maybe for final (non-beta) release by the end of this month.
The improvements on image quality, the streamlining of the user interface and workflow improvements are more than remarkable.

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#27. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Wed 06-Mar-13 05:33 PM by Chris Platt

Newburg, US
          

JRP,

Yes, I'm using 1.1.0 beta with PhotoShop plugins. I now have it set to execute instead of ACR when I open a raw file in PS or Bridge. Loving it more than ever. It almost feels as though you can reach out and touch an animal when it is done with its magic. I'm a convert.





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#28. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Great shot and rendering.

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Kidkett Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Apr 2010Thu 07-Mar-13 09:02 AM
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#29. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Campo, US
          

Hi Chris,

I can't quit playing with it. How do you like this version, is it too over the top?

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Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012Thu 07-Mar-13 01:56 PM
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#30. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Newburg, US
          

A striking image, but yes, a little over the top with saturation. It's a Maryland white tail, not a red stag.

It's easy to push the slider a tad too far.

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jdroach Platinum Member Fellow Ribbon awarded. John exhibits true Nikonian spirit by frequently posting images and requesting comments and critique, which he graciously accepts. He is an inspiration to all of us through constant improvement in his own work, keen observations and excellent commentary on images posted by others. Nikonian since 21st Mar 2009Wed 13-Mar-13 12:00 PM
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#31. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Wow!

jdroach, a Milwaukee area and sometimes Chicago area Nikonian.





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Devon Weddings Registered since 17th Mar 2013Tue 19-Mar-13 12:15 PM
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#32. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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GB
          

Thanks for the examples posted - most helpful

  

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Michael_Sexton Registered since 25th Nov 2006Fri 05-Apr-13 10:42 PM
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#33. "RE: Photo Ninja"
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Billings MT, US
          

I downloaded PN this morning to give it a spin. I find it very easy to use and gives excellent results. I profiled my D600 for noise and light sources with my ColorChecker Passport and am very pleased with the results. I do miss a few of the features as mentioned above as well as being able to resize then sharpen.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8099/8623394598_fe263ded68_o.jpg

Michael Sexton
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danshep Silver Member Charter MemberThu 16-May-13 07:47 PM
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An enthusiastic subject is always half the photographic battle.




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