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pfgbel47 Gold Member Nikonian since 08th Dec 2007Wed 02-May-12 03:01 PM
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"What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"


LIEGE, BE
          

Hi,

I'm not new in photography but I admit one cannot know everything...
My usual workflow has always been shooting in raw (NEF), opening it with ACR for the fundamental corrections (exposure, light and dark zones adjustments,...) before opening the file in Photoshop CS5e for the fine tuning of my pics, levels, contrasts, some local corrections, apply or not some Nik Software filters, etc... before saving the results into a TIFF file.

Now I'm using the D800E and of course, the ACR module of Photoshop CS5e cannot open the new NEF files of this Nikon body...!

I am not ready to buy again any other new software version, that's why I had like to know what is missing in a TIFF file created from the original NEF file through ViewNX2 "convert".
If the TIFF file contents all elements of the NEF I can go on opening in ACR, make my correction and then switch to Photoshop cs5e as usual for the fine tuning.

Thanks for your reply, I shall have learned something more today

Pol

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#1. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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McAllen, US
          

Hi Pol,

Have you considered converting to DNG instead of TIF? DNG is still a raw file and will give you more latitude applying edits in ACR. You can download the free DNG Converter from Adobe here:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/extend.displayTab2.edu.html



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pfgbel47 Gold Member Nikonian since 08th Dec 2007Wed 02-May-12 04:18 PM
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#3. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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LIEGE, BE
          

Thank you Ernesto !
I already convert to DNG in order to calibrate my sessions with Color Checker Passport from X-Rite, so it is really an advantage, I avoid one operation...

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head4heights Silver Member Nikonian since 13th May 2012Wed 16-May-12 11:24 AM
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Woking, GB
          

Thank you for the pointer for the DNG convertor, makes the file 40%-50% smaller too I notice. Do you know how this comes about? Is there some compression going on for instance?

  

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KenLPhotos Gold Member Nikonian since 26th Jul 2009Wed 16-May-12 02:33 PM
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#11. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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Wed 16-May-12 02:34 PM by KenLPhotos

Stewartstown, US
          

>Thank you for the pointer for the DNG convertor, makes the
>file 40%-50% smaller too I notice. Do you know how this comes
>about? Is there some compression going on for instance?

No compression. The DNG leaves the JPG version that is in the RAW file out, which makes the DNG file smaller.

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pfgbel47 Gold Member Nikonian since 08th Dec 2007Wed 16-May-12 02:52 PM
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#12. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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LIEGE, BE
          

Thanks KenL, this is something I learned, I didn't know a DNG was the replicated version of a NEF (or raw file, any source brand) lightened of its JPEG data !

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walkerr Administrator Awarded for his con tributed articles published at the Resources Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in multiple areas Nikonian since 05th May 2002Fri 25-May-12 01:50 PM
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#15. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

A jpeg preview isn't necessarily left out of a DNG - there are options for the size and presence of a preview. In fact, it's possible to have multiple jpeg previews within a DNG.

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#13. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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Woking, GB
          

That makes a lot of sense... thank you!

  

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#14. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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Woking, GB
          

I was wondering as I wandered through the D700 menus if it was possible to have the camera *not* embed JPEGs into the .NEF(RAW) images?

Under "Image quality", I have various options which include NEF(RAW) + JPEG; just NEF (RAW); TIFF (RGB); or just JPEG. That JPEGs are being included with NEF(RAW) is fairly clear given that I have been using the DNG convertor to extract them.

The inclusion of a JPEG is counter-intuitive, seems a tadge pointless and a waste of processing time. If there's a way of achieving a true NEF(RAW) only I've not spotted it. Maybe I've inadvertently enabled this on another menu setting. Help anyone?

Thanks in advance

  

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walkerr Administrator Awarded for his con tributed articles published at the Resources Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in multiple areas Nikonian since 05th May 2002Fri 25-May-12 01:54 PM
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#16. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

No, it's not. Jpeg previews are used for several things, including the display of the image on the camera's LCD plus speed of displaying thumbnails in some programs.

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Woking, GB
          

Thank you... it all makes sense. I forget sometimes that these cameras are very sophisticated computers with a lens attached

  

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#18. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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Redmond, US
          

Rick is right. You can change the size of the embedded jpg. Change Preferences the bottom panel in the window shows the size. Options are None, Medium or Full size.

You can also embed the original RAW file in the converted one. Makes for big file size & personally I see need since for me the dng file is my insurance that one day there will be no RAW convertor & we will have all those RAW files without being able to open them. Stranger things have happened!

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walkerr Administrator Awarded for his con tributed articles published at the Resources Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in multiple areas Nikonian since 05th May 2002Wed 02-May-12 03:30 PM
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#2. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

The production version of ACR 6.7 was released this morning, and it supports the D800/E and D4. You should be able to download it via Adobe Update.

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LIEGE, BE
          

Hello Rick !
Thank you for the information, I red about this yesterday on the Adobe web-site and it was still the "beta" version mentionned, glad to know it is now the official one
Is the update/upgrade free ?

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Yes, it's free. BTW, the ACR Release Candidates are usually quite solid. I used the 6.7 RC for quite some time without any problems.

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LIEGE, BE
          

Goog news !! Thks Rick !

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LIEGE, BE
          

Rick,
I was surprised this morning after I switched my PC on !
ACR 6.7. upgrade was automatically suggested by Adobe Application Manager...
Great

Pol

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#7. "RE: What is missing in TIFF compared to NEF (raw) ?"
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Edmond, US
          

Hi Pol,

I planned to suggest that I would take the 800E off your hands so you would not have that problem..but then those guys messed up my plan by solving the problem. I have a 800E on order and am glad to know that ACR will work. I routinely convert my NEFs to DNG and am pleased to know that I will not have to change my procedure.

All is well, so enjoy the 800E!

JDT

  

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LIEGE, BE
          

Thks JDT,
Yes they were a bit cruel with you, I am sorry, but they didn't konw you had such a plan...
I wish you receive your own D800E as soon as possible because it produces really fantastic quality images !

Pol

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