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TwoCybers Silver Member Nikonian since 30th May 2008Mon 31-Aug-09 02:14 PM
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"Nikon on Snow Leopard"


US
          

Nikon's statement
http://support.nikontech.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/16522

Snow Leopard List generally
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/

If you search in your Browser Window for "Nikon" you will find an entry indicating issues - somewhat more significant than the Nikon statement suggests.



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Freewheeler10 Registered since 17th Apr 2008Tue 01-Sep-09 12:55 PM
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#1. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 0


Englewood, US
          

>Snow Leopard List generally
>http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/
>
>If you search in your Browser Window for "Nikon" you
>will find an entry indicating issues - somewhat more
>significant than the Nikon statement suggests.

Wow, no kidding! "Just plain NO" in the list.. Makes me wonder now;
I have CaptureNX2 2.2.2 running, but I'll have to keep backing up my
images just in case. ViewNX 1.40 was working fine till this morning,
now it's fouled up like others are reporting. I can get by without
ViewNX, but not Capture NX2

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DrJay32 Gold Member Awarded for his multiple written contributions for the Resources and eZine Nikonian since 12th Mar 2003Tue 01-Sep-09 04:45 PM
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#2. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

Frankly, this is what drives me nuts about Nikon's Software team. Snow Leopard has been available to developers for a LONG time. I mean, I have other programs that notified me of a minor update available to allow Snow Leopard compatibilty on the day it was released. Certainly Nikon could have tested their software on 10.6 and had a patch-- especially given that NX 2.2.2 was released LAST WEEK? I'm dumbfounded by their lack of attention to what the major OS providers are delivering-- and "not upgrading" to 10.6 is a really stupid workaround, IMO. What about the people who buy a new Mac with 10.6 preinstalled? That's like Ford saying "please do not drive on the recently resurfaced roads in your neighborhood until we come out with a new car that can support modern asphalt."

The good news is that NX 2.2.0 seems to be fine under Snow Leopard, and if you've already upgraded to NX 2.2.2, it seems OK as well. The only problem I've encountered is trying to upgrade to NX 2.2.2 after Snow Leopard is installed. Then NX2 doesn't work and you need to go back to NX 2.2.0.

-Jason

Jason P. Odell
Colorado Nikonian
Author, The Photographer's Guide series of eBooks
Capture NX, Capture NX 2, and now Nik Silver Efex Pro


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Read my blog

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RV1969 Registered since 17th Aug 2009Tue 01-Sep-09 07:23 PM
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#3. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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NL
          

Is it true Color Efex Pro etc doesn't run under SL either? I have It for both Capture NX2 and Aperture.

  

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Freewheeler10 Registered since 17th Apr 2008Wed 02-Sep-09 01:35 PM
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#5. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>Is it true Color Efex Pro etc doesn't run under SL either? I
>have It for both Capture NX2 and Aperture.

I can't find Nik Software of any kind on Apple's Snow Leopard
compatibility list. Wonder why?
Here's the list: http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/

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nwcs Silver Member Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Landscape and Wildlife Photography Nikonian since 15th Jan 2006Wed 02-Sep-09 03:14 PM
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#6. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Knoxville, US
          

I have no trouble running Nik Sharpener. I don't expect any of their recent version photoshop filters to have any problems.

  

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neil_jo Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Aug 2007Tue 08-Sep-09 01:16 AM
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#8. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Brampton, CA
          

I just tried color Efex pro 3 in Cs4 and it seems to work fine and so does Dfine 2.0. When I close CS4 I get the Photoshop closed unexpectedly message, which I now is wrong. NX2 2.2.2 works fine as I upgraded that on Leopard, but View NX seems to work when it wants to. IAnd most of the time have to force quit the app.

Regards

Neil

  

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sputacus Registered since 05th Dec 2008Tue 01-Sep-09 11:25 PM
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#4. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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US
          

>The good news is that NX 2.2.0 seems to be fine under Snow
>Leopard, and if you've already upgraded to NX 2.2.2, it seems
>OK as well. The only problem I've encountered is trying to
>upgrade to NX 2.2.2 after Snow Leopard is installed. Then NX2
>doesn't work and you need to go back to NX 2.2.0.

My system initially had the SL upgrade before the 2.2.2 NX2 update. I removed 2.2.2 using the Nikon uninstaller and tried to install 2.0 directly from my original CD onto SL - I got the same issue as I had with 2.2.2.

So I had to re-clone my system with OSX 10.5.8, update NX2/2.2.0 to 2.2.2, and then do another upgrade to SL to get a working 2.2.2 on SL.

  

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rdluu Silver Member Nikonian since 31st Jan 2007Mon 07-Sep-09 03:11 AM
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#7. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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chicago, US
          

Capture NX2 2.2.2 is not working in Snow Leopard. Nik Software plug-ins - Color does not work in CS4, Silver does work in CS4, Color works in Aperture, and Silver works in Aperture; all in Snow Leopard.

  

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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Sat 12-Sep-09 04:44 PM
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#9. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Sat 12-Sep-09 05:08 PM by Don Hansen

US
          

>Frankly, this is what drives me nuts about Nikon's Software
>team. Snow Leopard has been available to developers for a LONG
>time. I mean, I have other programs that notified me of a
>minor update available to allow Snow Leopard compatibilty on
>the day it was released. Certainly Nikon could have tested
>their software on 10.6 and had a patch-- especially given that
>NX 2.2.2 was released LAST WEEK? I'm dumbfounded by their
>lack of attention to what the major OS providers are
>delivering-- and "not upgrading" to 10.6 is a really
>stupid workaround, IMO. What about the people who buy a new
>Mac with 10.6 preinstalled? That's like Ford saying
>"please do not drive on the recently resurfaced roads in
>your neighborhood until we come out with a new car that can
>support modern asphalt."
>
>The good news is that NX 2.2.0 seems to be fine under Snow
>Leopard, and if you've already upgraded to NX 2.2.2, it seems
>OK as well. The only problem I've encountered is trying to
>upgrade to NX 2.2.2 after Snow Leopard is installed. Then NX2
>doesn't work and you need to go back to NX 2.2.0.
>
>-Jason
>
>Jason P. Odell
>Colorado Nikonian
>
Author, The
>Photographer's Guide series of eBooks
>Capture NX, Capture NX 2, and now Nik Silver Efex Pro

>
>www.luminescentphoto.com
>
>Read my blog
>
>Listen to The Image Doctors

Reading Nikon's public statement on this, you get the idea that they had no idea how NX2 would perform under Snow Leopard until it was publicly released. Bizarre. As you wrote, big publishers have access to pre-release versions of operating systems, so why didn't they already know this (and NOT release v2.2.2)?

Anyway, I'm messed up now, because NX2 doesn't work. How do you revert to 2.2.0 (and why doesn't Nikon provide links and info. to do so on that same page)?

Edit:

I just now downloaded and tried installing 2.2.0 (to replace 2.2.2) but it wouldn't do it. Returned the message that a newer version was already installed, and so the installer was canceling. Ugh.

  

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#10. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 9


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I got the same results as you when I first upgraded NX2 in SL. I tried deleting 2.2.2 and installing 2.0 from my orignal CD - it didn't work.
I had to roll-back to Leopard and update 2.2.0 to 2.2.2, and then do the SL upgrade again. So far NX2 is working fine.

  

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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Sun 13-Sep-09 09:13 AM
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#11. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Sun 13-Sep-09 09:17 AM by Don Hansen

US
          

Sounds like a pain, and time-consuming.

How do you take SL back to just L ?

I e-mailed Nikon yesterday about it, to see if they have some suggestions. Hopefully will get a response on Monday.

  

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neil_jo Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Aug 2007Sun 13-Sep-09 12:01 PM
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#12. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Brampton, CA
          

>Sounds like a pain, and time-consuming.
>
>How do you take SL back to just L ?

If you have a external drive the same size as your internal, you can use a program called SuperDuper, which makes a bootable clone of your drive. I cloned my drive with Leopard just before I upgraded to Snow Leopard, so if I wanted to I can boot to the external and erase the internal and move the clone back. And its free to use. The only problem I'm having so far is with Nikon View, but it does work about 75% of the time.

Regards

Neil




  

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Freewheeler10 Registered since 17th Apr 2008Mon 14-Sep-09 01:19 PM
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#13. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>I just now downloaded and tried installing 2.2.0 (to replace
>2.2.2) but it wouldn't do it. Returned the message that a
>newer version was already installed, and so the installer was
>canceling. Ugh.

You might try one of the free application removal tools like AppRemover.
It will completely remove an application and its associated preference files,
support files, etc. Appremover is a free downlod. Run AppRemover, drop
NX2 onto its window, takes about a second and all traces of the app are gone.
Then you should be able to install 2.2.0 Good Luck!

No matter how advanced your camera you still need
to be responsible for getting it to the right place at the right time and
pointing it in the right direction to get the photo you want.
____Ken Rockwell, Your Camera Does Not Matter, 2005



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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Mon 14-Sep-09 03:05 PM
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#14. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 13


US
          

Sounds like that would work -- thank you.

And here's the response I got from Nikon this morning (I had asked for suggestions on how to revert to 2.2.0; why 2.2.2 wasn't tested on pre-release versions of SL; and/or why 2.2.2 wasn't delayed a few weeks until being tested on Snow Leopard):

"Thanks for the question. There is no easy way to revert to older versions, especially once a new OS is installed. Due to ISO rules we cannot test compatibility with beta versions of OS's and we cannot modify release schedules around other parties. Sorry."

Which I didn't find very satisfying.

Maybe I'll switch to Photoshop Elements...

  

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#15. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Kockengen, NL
          

Not very satisfying? Plain bull-#### if you ask me.

ISO rules don't say anything about testing with beta versions of OS's. Saying that a product is compatible with a certain version of the OS, solely based on those beta tests, probably is against some rule though (certainly against my common sense). But that does not stop Nikon (like many many other companies do) from testing with the developer (beta) releases of an OS and do some final testing with the fully released version. This allows you to proclaim compatibility within days (or perhaps even at the day) of release.

Sigh, I just wished they would become a bit better software developers in this respect (I DO like NX2 a lot, but things like this drive me crazy).

But going to PSE, well, now that would be unsatisfying


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#16. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>But going to PSE, well, now that would be unsatisfying

Going to PS_anything and joining the Adobe hegemony would be
unsatisfying. I use NX2 almost exclusively, but I am learning Aperture.

No matter how advanced your camera you still need
to be responsible for getting it to the right place at the right time and
pointing it in the right direction to get the photo you want.
____Ken Rockwell, Your Camera Does Not Matter, 2005



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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Tue 15-Sep-09 04:17 PM
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#17. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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O.k., well, looks we don't have many Adobe fans here

I too don't like supporting near-monopolies, but at the same time, I have to admit that the have good stuff. E.g., for website graphics (I build websites too) I use Adobe Fireworks. I downloaded and tried all of the competitors I could find, but Fireworks was my hands-down favorite. So, whatta ya gonna do? So I bought it, and I like it.

I haven't yet tried Aperture, but did download it. Maybe I should give it a try. Unless NX2 gets fixed very soon, I'm going to be forced into buying something else.

  

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#18. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 17


Englewood, US
          

Aperture 2.1.4 runs fine under Snow Leopard, by the way, but the 2.1 version
_must_ be updated to 2.1.4.

No matter how advanced your camera you still need
to be responsible for getting it to the right place at the right time and
pointing it in the right direction to get the photo you want.
____Ken Rockwell, Your Camera Does Not Matter, 2005



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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Wed 16-Sep-09 03:06 PM
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#19. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 18


US
          

I've got 2.1.3, and so far it seems to work well. Curious that it doesn't have built-in software update (or if it does, I can't find it).

BTW, found a really nice set of online tutorials Apple has made for it:
http://www.apple.com/aperture/tutorials/

  

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#20. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 19


Englewood, US
          

>I've got 2.1.3, and so far it seems to work well. Curious
>that it doesn't have built-in software update (or if it does,
>I can't find it).

The 2.1.4 update is a specific fix for several issues under Snow
Leopard, notably the inability to see thumbnails in _any_ view, but
a bunch of other fixes as well. Those tutorials are great.


No matter how advanced your camera you still need
to be responsible for getting it to the right place at the right time and
pointing it in the right direction to get the photo you want.
____Ken Rockwell, Your Camera Does Not Matter, 2005



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Freewheeler10 Registered since 17th Apr 2008Fri 18-Sep-09 01:59 PM
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#21. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 19


Englewood, US
          

>I've got 2.1.3, and so far it seems to work well. Curious
>that it doesn't have built-in software update (or if it does,
>I can't find it).

Aperture updates come through Apple Software Updates, I always set up to check
every day for a month or so after the release of a major software update or OS
update, and set to automatically download/install. 2.1.4 came out on Sept. 11.

No matter how advanced your camera you still need
to be responsible for getting it to the right place at the right time and
pointing it in the right direction to get the photo you want.
____Ken Rockwell, Your Camera Does Not Matter, 2005



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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Fri 18-Sep-09 03:11 PM
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#22. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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US
          

Hmmm... it's not updating it. But so far I haven't come across any malfunctions. Still a long way to go, though -- I'm about 1/2-way through all of the tutorials.

  

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#23. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>Hmmm... it's not updating it. But so far I haven't come
>across any malfunctions. Still a long way to go, though --
>I'm about 1/2-way through all of the tutorials.

Also available in the usual places as a standalone download:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/application_updates/aperture214.html

“I take photographs with love, so I try to make them
art objects. But I make them for myself first and foremost.”
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#24. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 23


US
          

That doesn't work for the trial version -- it's only for full licensed copies.

But I did figure out how to do it: you have to download another copy of the trial (after doing another e-mail confirmation-registration thing), and then it will continue the trial using the new version.

I still can't figure out Nikon's attitude about NX2. First the bit about "it's against ISO rules to test on beta versions" (which is nonsense). But even worse is the "we cannot modify release schedules around other parties." It's painful just to re-read that The "other party" in this instance is the entire, 100% environment in which the product operates. And Nikon themselves note the possibility of failure under a new OS version. The whole thing just doesn't add up. But anyway, that's another argument for switching to Aperture. I bought NX2 because I thought it would have the best compatibility with my camera (and apparently it does -- it seems like an extension of the camera, right on the computer screen). But what I didn't take into consideration was compatibility with the OS, and as I see now, that's no small link in the chain of production. And if anyone knows how to write software that's compatible with OSX, it's Apple. So, that's a big argument for switching Aperture.

Don't get me wrong, folks, I loooove my D300 & Nikon lenses. But that's camera equipment, not computer software, which apparently isn't their core competency.

  

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#25. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Chicago, US
          

I do not think Nion writes the code for Nikon Capture NX2. Check out Nik Software, they have a number of plug-ins for Nikon Capture NX2 and Adobe PnotoShop. And they also directly sell Nikon Capture NX2 and offer a package of NX2 and Color Efex Pro.

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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Sat 19-Sep-09 11:58 PM
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#26. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Sat 19-Sep-09 11:59 PM by Don Hansen

US
          

>I do not think Nion writes the code for Nikon Capture NX2.
>Check out Nik Software, they have a
>number of plug-ins for Nikon Capture NX2 and Adobe PnotoShop.
>And they also directly sell Nikon Capture NX2 and offer a
>package of NX2 and Color Efex Pro.

George,
Tough to say, from looking at Nik Software's site:

http://www.niksoftware.com/cepnx/usa/entry.php?view=intro/capturenx.shtml

Check the links in the upper-right. All of them go to subdirectories of Nik Software, except for NX2, which goes to a Nikon site. Also, in the text description, it says that NX2 comes from Nikon.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Nikon works with some third party software company to do most of it.

P.S. Nice eagle photo

  

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#27. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Hi all

I posted this elsewhere, but it might be of interest.

Scenario 1

One Macintosh running Leopard.

Upgrade the NX2 to version 2.2.2

Upgrade to Snow Leopard.

It runs perfectly!

Scenario 2

If you have already upgraded a Mac to Snow Leopard you are either lucky and still have NX 2.2.0 which works perfectly or you upgraded to 2.2.2 under Snow Leopard and found that it does not. You now need to use another Mac (or find a friend) that has not been upgraded. Follow the steps for scenario 1. Copy the Capture NX2 folder from the application folder on the second mac (with NX 2.2.2) to the original overwriting the NX2 folder.

You then have a version of 2.2.2 running under SL.

God know why this works!

Ed Constable

  

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DrJay32 Gold Member Awarded for his multiple written contributions for the Resources and eZine Nikonian since 12th Mar 2003Mon 21-Sep-09 08:01 PM
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#33. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Nik software produces a PIECE of Capture NX, but the core code is still under Nikon (Japan).

-Jason

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#28. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>Don't get me wrong, folks, I loooove my D300 & Nikon
>lenses. But that's camera equipment, not computer software,
>which apparently isn't their core competency.

I'm sure they will get it right eventually --I am reminded of an Adobe product
a few years ago that wouldn't run at all under windows XP; it took Adobe
over three months to get a workable product out there. No apology
from Adobe either, more like "no comment."

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art objects. But I make them for myself first and foremost.”
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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Sun 20-Sep-09 06:17 PM
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#29. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Sun 20-Sep-09 06:19 PM by Don Hansen

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>I'm sure they will get it right eventually --I am reminded of an Adobe product
>a few years ago that wouldn't run at all under windows XP; it took Adobe
>over three months to get a workable product out there. No apology
>from Adobe either, more like "no comment."

What concerns me most about this isn't that there was a glitch (which happens to everyone, as you said) rather with how it happened, and how un-doable it is. That strikes me as a rookie mistake, and easily prevented. For example:

Their auto-update software should/could:

A) Detect the version of the OS it's running on.

B) Communicate to the user any concerns Nikon might have, and/or block updates which are known to be incompatible.

C) Similar to "B", updates aren't performed on new OS versions (or at least, not without a big honkin' warning sign) until Nikon fully tests it.

Also, on the day SL is released, NX2 is tested by Nikon and found to be incompatible. Nikon then sends out an e-mail to all NX2 users, telling them of this incompatibility.

All of that takes into account that bugs 'happen', and nobody's perfect.

I'm guessing that Adobe has become more proficient at this business, given all of the years they've been doing it (and now with the ten bazillion titles they carry). Surely there are still malfunctions, but they have it down to a system to reduce the potential for users being completely knocked out of the water.

And that brings me back to Apple & Aperture. I'm presuming that Aperture will be less likely to be incompatible with any version of OSX, simply because Apple makes both of them. Aperture might experience incompatibilities with my (lovely, wonderful, excellent) Nikon camera, and that's not good, but that's easier to workaround than an incompatibility with the OS. So, I'm putting a higher priority (now) on being compatible with the OS.

I accept, though, that all of the big companies basically blow-off any major goofs they do. That seems to be the standard MO.

  

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#30. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 29


Englewood, US
          

>And that brings me back to Apple & Aperture. I'm
>presuming that Aperture will be less likely to be incompatible
>with any version of OSX, simply because Apple makes both of
>them. Aperture might experience incompatibilities with my
>(lovely, wonderful, excellent) Nikon camera, and that's not
>good, but that's easier to workaround than an incompatibility
>with the OS. So, I'm putting a higher priority (now) on being
>compatible with the OS.

Yep, Aperture 2.1.4 came out just a few days after the release of
Snow Leopard, and fixed a whole list of things. Many users of SL
were suddenly unable to see thumbnails of _any_ image in Aperture,
Aperture wouldn't quit, etc. Only took Apple a very few days to fix it.

“I take photographs with love, so I try to make them
art objects. But I make them for myself first and foremost.”
___Jacques-Henri Lartique


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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Mon 21-Sep-09 06:47 PM
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#31. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 30
Mon 21-Sep-09 06:48 PM by Don Hansen

US
          

>Yep, Aperture 2.1.4 came out just a few days after the release of
>Snow Leopard, and fixed a whole list of things. Many users of
>SL were suddenly unable to see thumbnails of _any_ image in
>Aperture, Aperture wouldn't quit, etc. Only took Apple a very few days
>to fix it.

I hate to admit it but that's somewhat of a defense of NX2. I would have expected Apple to release an Aperture fix for Snow Leopard *before* Snow Leopard was released. It's as if Apple themselves didn't know if Aperture would work under SL, until SL was released.

That said, Apple does have a reputation for speedy bug fixes for OSX -- much faster than Microsoft for Windows. So, maybe that translates to speedy fixes for their apps (such as Aperture) too.

  

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#35. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>I hate to admit it but that's somewhat of a defense of NX2.
> I would have expected Apple to release an Aperture fix for
>Snow Leopard *before* Snow Leopard was released. It's as if
>Apple themselves didn't know if Aperture would work under SL,
>until SL was released.
>
>That said, Apple does have a reputation for speedy bug fixes
>for OSX -- much faster than Microsoft for Windows. So, maybe
>that translates to speedy fixes for their apps (such as
>Aperture) too.

In the dim and misty past, when I was in the computer and software
business, I quickly learned that there is no possible way to predict the
infinite combination of hardware and software present on users' machines.

Unless your product development scheme allows for literally years of alpha
and beta testing, you can't turn out any product, hardware or software in
a reasonable amount of time. I think Apple does very well at it, probably
because they control the hardware specs and manufacturing.

"Some" people were having problems, most were not. If you think about
all the tens of thousands of applications out there, and the multiple ways
you can configure your mac, and all the hardware add-ons there are,
I'm surprised that my operating system and apps cooperate at all.

“I take photographs with love, so I try to make them
art objects. But I make them for myself first and foremost.”
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#32. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 9


Colorado Springs, US
          

Don-
Uninstall 2.2.2 then run the 2.2.0 installer.

-Jason

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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Mon 21-Sep-09 08:07 PM
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#34. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 32
Mon 21-Sep-09 08:23 PM by Don Hansen

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>Don-
>Uninstall 2.2.2 then run the 2.2.0 installer.
>
>-Jason

That's all there is to it? Why didn't Nikon support just say that? They said "there's no easy way to do it".

Anyway, thank you.
DH

Edit, after trying it: Success. And that was just too easy.

  

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#36. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>>Don-
>>Uninstall 2.2.2 then run the 2.2.0 installer.
>>
>>-Jason
>
>That's all there is to it? Why didn't Nikon support just say
>that? They said "there's no easy way to do it".
>
>Anyway, thank you.
>DH
>
>Edit, after trying it: Success. And that was just too easy.

They probably were doing too much thinking. There really is
no easy way to get 2.2.2 onto your machine _after_ you have
installed Snow Leopard. Sure, you can uninstall 2.2.2 and go back to
2.2.0, but what if you actually _want_ 2.2.2? Then you have to go the
long way around.

“I take photographs with love, so I try to make them
art objects. But I make them for myself first and foremost.”
___Jacques-Henri Lartique


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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Wed 23-Sep-09 01:31 AM
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#37. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 36


US
          

>They probably were doing too much thinking. There really is
>no easy way to get 2.2.2 onto your machine _after_ you have
>installed Snow Leopard. Sure, you can uninstall 2.2.2 and go
>back to 2.2.0, but what if you actually _want_ 2.2.2? Then you have
>to go the long way around.

Freewheeler, I think you're being too generous. It seems clear that the Nikon tech knew what he was writing:
"There is no easy way to revert to older versions, especially once a new OS is installed."

DH

  

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#38. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>"There is no easy way to revert to older versions,
>especially once a new OS is installed."
>
>DH

Well, my position on that is rather well known, and generates a lot
of heat from various posters out there. Keep regular complete bootable
backups. When I discovered the Capture NX2 2.2.2 issue, it took me about
three hours to:

1. Wipe my system and reload from the pre-Snow Leopard backup,
which was 10.5.8

2. Upgrade to CapNX2 2.2.2

3. Install Snow Leopard

4. Make a new bootable backup, and go on about my business.

I don't find this to be a big deal, as some do. It's not necessarily
"easy" or "hard", it's just something you do. I grew up with computers,
starting in 1980, and making regular backups became part of my weekly
routine; nowadays though, I have it all automated. No brain required.

“I take photographs with love, so I try to make them
art objects. But I make them for myself first and foremost.”
___Jacques-Henri Lartique


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#39. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
In response to Reply # 38


US
          

>Well, my position on that is rather well known, and generates
>a lot of heat from various posters out there. Keep regular complete
>bootable backups. When I discovered the Capture NX2 2.2.2 issue, it
>took me about three hours to:
>
>1. Wipe my system and reload from the pre-Snow Leopard backup,
> which was 10.5.8
>
>2. Upgrade to CapNX2 2.2.2
>
>3. Install Snow Leopard
>
>4. Make a new bootable backup, and go on about my business.
>
>I don't find this to be a big deal, as some do. It's not necessarily
>"easy" or "hard", it's just something you do. I grew up with
>computers, starting in 1980, and making regular backups became part
>of my weekly routine; nowadays though, I have it all automated. No
>brain required.

It's those steps 1 & 4 that are a bit of an overload for me. Maybe that comes from my years of working with computers (have done some programming, but not to the level you have). I've dabbled in partitioning, multiple boots, etc., and it seems every time, something would get fouled up. And that's no small malfunction -- it affects *everything*. Seems there are just so many danged settings, configurations, flags, and complications deep inside, I'm just too nervous about messing with it anymore, so I just stick with the more surface-level stuff, and let the automated installers/un-installers do the rest.

Anyway, an update on my NX2 experience with Snow Leopard:

After uninstalling 2.2.2 and then re-installing 2.2.0, while it does seem to be working, it is crashing a LOT. As in, once every 15 minutes or so of editing. Anyone else experiencing that?

  

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#40. "RE: Nikon on Snow Leopard"
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Englewood, US
          

>It's those steps 1 & 4 that are a bit of an overload for
>me.
>Anyway, an update on my NX2 experience with Snow Leopard:
>
>After uninstalling 2.2.2 and then re-installing 2.2.0, while
>it does seem to be working, it is crashing a LOT. As in, once
>every 15 minutes or so of editing. Anyone else experiencing
>that?

There are a few solutions out there, I have been using "SuperDuper!"
from Shirt Pocket Software for about three years now. It will let
you back up your user files, or make bootable clones of your hard
drive, works flawlessly. When I was still working, I probably used
the app 20 times a week on customer machines. You can download
the full version free at
http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html
and make bootable clones of your drives for free forever; if you want to
pay for it, you get a few extra features. Fully compatible with Snow Leopard.

Once I had a stable installation of NX2 2.2.2 on Leopard and updated to SL
CaptureNX has worked flawlessly.

“Google” is NOT a synonym for "research."
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#41. "Snow Leopard and Capture NX 2.0"
In response to Reply # 0


Florida, US
          

It appears from what I am reading here that many of you are having some success with Snow Leopard and Capture NX2.2.0 and that your real problems begin if you load/upgrade Capture NX2.2.2.

My experience has been a bit more troubling. I recently purchased an iMAC with OS X Snow Leopard and given the experiences of those of you on this forum, loaded Capture NX2.0 onto my iMAC. I assumed that this would work as it was not 2.2.2. Unlike, many of you, however, Capture NX2 will not function at all. In addition to not loading my RAW or JPEG photos, when i open NX 2 it locks up. The only way I am able to close it is to use the Force Quit command. In short, until Nikon gets around to issuing a release making Capture NX2 compatible with OS X Snow Leopard, it appears I'm dead in the water.

Are any of you having the same experience or am I the only one having this problem? Better yet, if any of you have had a similar experience, is there anything you did to overcome it?

I would appreciate any advice you can provide. I have 2000 RAW photos taken on my recent trip to the National Parks out west and i can't do anything with them until I can get Capture NX2 up a running again!

George

  

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#42. "RE: Snow Leopard and Capture NX 2.0"
In response to Reply # 41
Tue 13-Oct-09 05:55 PM by gkaiseril

Chicago, US
          

Have you tried downloading the latest Nikon ViewNX, perform PP on the NEF in Nikon ViewNX and then using the "File => Open With..." to transfer the memory base TIFF image to Nikon Capture NX2?

George
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#44. "RE: Snow Leopard and Capture NX 2.0"
In response to Reply # 42


Florida, US
          

George,

Thanks for the response. No, I have not tried downloading Nikon View NX because I was concerned about further incompatibility issues. When I initially loaded Capture NX2, the accompanying ViewNX application was at 1.4.0, which I believe was creating problems based on the experiences others have been having. I guess giving this a try can't leave me any worse off than I already am.

Thanks

  

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#43. "RE: Snow Leopard and Capture NX 2.0"
In response to Reply # 41


US
          

George,

I've been using 2.2.0 on Snow Leopard, and it has been working, but with a LOT of crashing. 2.2.2 didn't work at all, experiencing similar problems as you've had.

  

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#45. "RE: Snow Leopard and Capture NX 2.0"
In response to Reply # 43


Florida, US
          

Don,

Thanks for your response. Perhaps if I upgrade 2.0 to 2.2.0 I may be able to get some use out of it. In it's current state I've been unable to use Capture NX2 at all! I'll download the 2.2.0 revision from the Nikon site and see what happens. If I have any success, I'll post it here.

George

  

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#46. "RE: Snow Leopard and Capture NX 2.0"
In response to Reply # 45


Florida, US
          

I just upgraded my current version of Capture NX2.0 to Capture NX2.2.0. The result was that I am now able to open all my RAW and JPEG files. When I began the download process, Version 2.2.0 for MAC listed among it's upgrades the support for OS X version 10.5.7. While I'm running 10.6.1, I now have some level of functionality. I expect as others have indicated that compatibility will not be perfect, but it sure beats the alternative.

Thank you all for your help!

George

  

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Don Hansen Registered since 11th Sep 2009Wed 14-Oct-09 04:17 AM
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#47. "RE: Snow Leopard and Capture NX 2.0"
In response to Reply # 46


US
          

George,

That's good news, and thanks for the update.

Hopefully Nikon will release a new version soon...

DH

  

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