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BJNicholls Gold Member Awarded for his contributions to the community and the Resources Charter MemberMon 10-Jul-06 03:46 PM
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"Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"


Salt Lake City, US
          

Not worth my time, best luck to those who stick with it.


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DrJay32 Gold Member Awarded for his multiple written contributions for the Resources and eZine Nikonian since 12th Mar 2003Mon 10-Jul-06 04:31 PM
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#1. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

What is your point of posting this, other to complain?

We all certainly respect your decision not to learn a new software tool. Software choices are certainly personal.


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BJNicholls Gold Member Awarded for his contributions to the community and the Resources Charter MemberMon 10-Jul-06 04:58 PM
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Salt Lake City, US
          

Perhaps I'm delusional, but I have a long history of providing advice here. I know at least a few folks who value my professional thoughts on digital workflow. I'm taking a pass on investing my time learning bug-checking NX more than I already have. That choice is based on the performance and limitations I've found in the application. Other folks obviously see a diamond in the rough while is see lump of coal with a sparkle of an interesting feature or two.

But as far as complaints go, I have only one. If a firmware change to my D200 or the purchase of a future Nikon body requires that I purchase NX and a separate Camera Control "Pro" rather than use Capture 4.x and the nearly identical Camera Control application that's included in the box, I'll be quite unhappy to pay more to get what I already have. It's painful to pay good money for software you don't like, especially when the price goes up. Perhaps I'll only be forced to upgrade Camera Control - but Nikon's likely to have many of us over a barrel as new cameras and firmware create raw files that only Nikon can open over months at a stretch.

I realize that complaints about Nikon products, service and software don't always go down well around here. But there are folks who appreciate considered opinions that aren't perpetually tinted by rose-colored Nikon sunglasses.

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briantilley Moderator Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003Mon 10-Jul-06 07:15 PM
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#9. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Paignton, GB
          

>I realize that complaints about Nikon products, service and
>software don't always go down well around here. But there
>are folks who appreciate considered opinions that aren't
>perpetually tinted by rose-colored Nikon sunglasses.

I think you're missing the point, BJ; it's not that we can't take criticism of Nikon products. Your experiences with various software are always of interest to us. But posting a new thread just to say that you're not going to use NX, without (originally) giving any details of why, seems a bit pointless.

Brian
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BJNicholls Gold Member Awarded for his contributions to the community and the Resources Charter MemberMon 10-Jul-06 11:55 PM
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#11. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Salt Lake City, US
          

I figured I had that covered in my comments on related threads. But the bottom line is that there's nothing attractive enough in NX for me to invest more time in evaluation. I'm sure that others will figure out nice workarounds for hurdles I found, and many folks will learn to master the interface and enjoy it. Nik(on) will surely fix at least some of the bugs as a result of mass user testing, but I don't anticipate any real improvement in terms of speed on the Windows platform. This go around, it looks like (non Intel) Mac folks got the best performance deal.


Although the Control Point concept has some interesting power and a lot of potential, the attention it gets from both users and the NX interface is upside-down. NX compared to the current Capture buries the basics under even more layers and disappearing controls. Making the basics intuitive and quick is the job I expect any raw converter to do. Control Points are a nice secondary tool and therefore should have prominence more like a Photoshop plugin. NX fails to put white balance, contrast, exposure and the other image control basics at the user's fingertips, and that's a shame. The NX software designers didn't plan for higher resolution displays. Histograms on high res monitors are smaller than they should be. I could go on, but I just wanted to make a simple statement that I have better ways to invest my time than doing further dissection of NX.

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LMMiller9 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2005Mon 10-Jul-06 04:43 PM
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#2. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Well, just to even things out... I like it a lot!

I have been unable, or couldn't figure out, how to print directly from other RAW programs. Printing from NX is easy. It handles every adjustment to a photo I feel the need to make. I no longer see a need to convert to jpeg at all, unless for loading on the web.

It was also helpful once I realized the by going to the magnification tool and clicking on the browsed photos you could enlarge them. I think, judging by some comments, everyone hasn't figured that out.

For me, at least, this will now serve as my primary and/or only post processing software.


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BJNicholls Gold Member Awarded for his contributions to the community and the Resources Charter MemberMon 10-Jul-06 05:01 PM
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#4. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Yep - tried the zoom tool with the browser. At maximum zoom the size is still inadequate for my needs. Glad it works for you...

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#10. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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GB
          

larry, try this. Open an image. Click on the hand icon (you'll see why in a minute). Hit the Tab key. All the pop up menus disappear. Hold the Ctrl key and then hit the 0 (zero) key. NX fills the now empty window with the image. Hold the Ctrl key then hit the + or - key to zoom in and out. When zoomed in, left click your mouse button to move the image! Easy.

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Hughgur Registered since 23rd Dec 2003Tue 11-Jul-06 04:24 PM
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>Well, just to even things out... I like it a lot!
>
>I have been unable, or couldn't figure out, how to print
>directly from other RAW programs. Printing from NX is easy.
>It handles every adjustment to a photo I feel the need to
>make. I no longer see a need to convert to jpeg at all,
>unless for loading on the web.
>
>It was also helpful once I realized the by going to the
>magnification tool and clicking on the browsed photos you
>could enlarge them. I think, judging by some comments,
>everyone hasn't figured that out.
>
>For me, at least, this will now serve as my primary and/or
>only post processing software.

I am unencumbered by real time experience with Capture or PS, although I've had them both for several years. And I have bought several suggested books, taken several Nikon sponsored courses but they all presuppose prior PS knowledge. I have awaited Capture NX in the hopes it would spare me multiple lengthy learning curves. My D100 is bad enough by itself! So I am happy to read your comments. I am not a professional photographer. Photography is a hobby that should be fun not continually frustrating. So, is there an equivalent to "Capture NX Workflow for Dummies?" Or would you share with me the essentials of your NX workflow? By the way, I'm just up the Bay from you in Baltimore. Thanks, Hugh Gurley.

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Hugh-
Rick Walker and I are compiling as many "Tips and Tricks" as we can in an ongoing anchored thread here.

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>Not worth my time, best luck to those who stick with it.

Well, it can stay for now, but at the end of the month I have a hard choice:

1. Hope that Nikon come out with a Mactel version that runs at an acceptable speed.
2. Buy Aperture, despite being unhappy with the way it stores metadata.
3. Switch to a DNG/Adobe workflow in anticipation of the UB version of CS3.

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#6. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Sammamish, US
          

I'm keeping it for now, since it is the 30-day trial. What happens after that I'm not sure. So far, I don't see using NX for any real work, but the concept of Control Points is definitely interesting. A diamond in the rough would be a good description, but very rough. I'm interested in how soon version 1.1 will be out.

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#13. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Salt Lake City, US
          

I think Control Points could evolve into a slick and powerful interface. Maybe by NX3? Nik-on doesn't appear to have the resources to evolve NX very quickly, I'd be glad to find out otherwise.

There are much more interesting fish in the sea right now. DX0 Pro 4 and Lightroom both look more like a tool I might use.

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bobj Silver Member Awarded for his multiple written contributions the the community Resources Charter MemberTue 11-Jul-06 01:39 AM
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#17. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Yup, I'm bettng that when DxO 4 comes out that NX won't get much more of my time...

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#18. "RE: Capture NX - other fish - try LightZone"
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#7. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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I could see where those looking for a single-program solution to RAW processing and image editing could find NX a good choice, which I would never have said about NC 4. Since I'm committed to Aperture for my workflow, and since Aperture doesn't play well with external RAW processors, I can't justify the upgrade for a program that I only would use once in a great while. NC 4.4 will do for me since I don't have a D2Xs.

Likely I'll dump NX once the trial period is over. If the day comes when I get a newer body than the D2X, that day won't be soon, and by then the RAW converter market may look totally different. I can wait until then.

I will say, though, that it is nice to see developers thinking of ways to approach image editing that are not a mere repackaging of the Photoshop paradigm.

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Petersburg, US
          

>Not worth my time, best luck to those who stick with it.

Well I haven't decided if it is worth my time but I am still intrigued enough by some of the tools to keep on playing with it for a while.

That said, I never anticipated NX to be a replacement for CS2. I see using it as a compliment just like I have been using Capture 4.x through the years.


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For those of us who remember using Photoshop for the first time, did you not think it would be an impossible learning curve to climb? It did not feel intuitive at first blush, in fact it felt downright alien.

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#15. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Salt Lake City, US
          

Absolutely, but when I learned Photoshop the whole idea of editing "bitmaps" and using tools like a "lasso" were brand-new concepts.

Control Points are new, but the only point to providing a new interface at this day and age in image processing is to make processes simpler and more intuitive. There's a hint of instant recognition in Control Points at the top level - simple use of sliders with a round selection area. But where's the simple tool for adjusting white balance - something that I do with nearly every image? It's not a matter of learning curve, it's a matter of putting the important tools on the table.

I might even pay the cost of Capture for a "NIK Control Points plugin for Photoshop".

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#24. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

"But where's the simple tool for adjusting white balance - something that I do with nearly every image? It's not a matter of learning curve, it's a matter of putting the important tools on the table."

That would be the "neutral control point". There are also white point and black point control droppers.

Otherwise, you adjust WB the same way as NC 4.

-Jason

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#25. "RE: Capture NX - installed this morning"
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Sammamish, US
          

A neutral control point only works if there is a neutral object to click on.

The actual WB adjustment in NX is buried down under Base Adjustments.

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#38. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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With all of the harping going on, I have to chime in here.

I had some pictures with white balance setting problems. I inadvertainly had the WB set as Cloudy in the camera from a previous day when the conditions were actually sunny. I found it quite easy to change the base white ballance that was recorded in the NEF by my d200.

I am not a PS or workflow expert by a longshot. I had some dark pictures adjusted in fairly short order immediately after downloading the NX trial software.

The product was actually quite fast at putting the pictures into the print queue compared to Nikon Capture 4.4.

I will have more time to play with the product next week. My impressions could change at that time, but my first 1 hour session with playing around with the product was a positive experience.

Tom Bizzell

  

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Dunfermline, GB
          

Hi Tom,

I think that you have touched on a very valid point.
Most of the people complaining have several years experience of Photoshop. As such "learning" from scratch when you can do it all already is a pain and people may be reluctant to change.
If you are coming in at ground level then I dare say that NX is as easy to learn as CS.

CS is still needed for cloning/healing though. Hint, hint Nikon

Always look on the bright side of life de dum de dum...........
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#41. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Potomac, US
          

"If you are coming in at ground level then I dare say that NX is as easy to learn as CS."

Ahhhhh...I beg to differ. NX is one hundred times easier to learn than CS. Photoshop CS is the least intuitive and most difficult program to learn of any software on the market. I found NX easy and intuitive.

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#14. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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I agree with you. I didn't see NX as a full image editing tool. If only it did an efficient and intuitive job of letting me optimize and process raw files, I'd be happy to give it a go. The intriguing tools are fun, but they're really sideshow acts (especially at this stage of evolution). If Nikon had just focused on improving the speed, cleaning up the interface and providing better browsing and batch conversion, I could see using Capture as my main conversion tool.

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I grew up on a BBC micro (in the US read 'proper computer') and Vax mainframes (read Bat computers) and I remember punchcards, and ticker tape output before there were monitors. SPSS (a statistics package) used to be particularly difficult to use. Nevertheless I grew to be pretty good at it. I recall with considerable sadness the day when SPSS produced a 'PC' version. Before that, people would think I was awesome because I could run a MANOVA statistics session on a Vax with my BBC micro terminal, then - suddenly, anyone could do it.

I'm not stupid but these days I have better things to do than spend ages trying to work out how a programme like PS does what I need it to do. I know now that it isn't clever to become expert at such a programme, rather, it's sad - because there is so much more to life. I have used PS since version 6 but I'm not going to live for ever and I don't want to waste time that is valuable to me. PS is the most unfriendly and unintuitive programme I know. Some will have mastered it but I don't want to. I want to spend my time taking pictures and reading stories to my children. I can use PS but I hate it.

NX came like a breath of fresh air. Now I can do what I want easily and quickly. After using it for an hour I was getting better results than I could get with PS. I enjoy using NX. It isn't perfect (please give me a healing brush) but it's actually fun and that is absolutely all that matters. Professional photographers might disagree because after all, they have to earn a living. However, they would still be wrong. If it's not fun it's not worthwhile.

Bye bye PS, bye bye headaches, I think I'll skip my anti-hypertensives today.


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#19. "RE: PS - uninstalled this morning!"
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Thanks for the "Breath of fresh air" Jeremy. After reading the
above posts, I was not even going to download NX. But after what
you had to say, I will. I also hate to use PS, although I do for some of the basic tools that are easy to use...like the healing brush. Once again, thanks, I am going to give it a go.

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Well said Jeremy. I thought I was the only one in the universe who hate PS. It is comforting to know that I got company. If I need to do something like cloning and layering, I use Gimp. PS is one of the most unintuitive beast I've ever come across. That's just my opinion and I am entitled to it.

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jim_h Registered since 11th Jul 2006Tue 11-Jul-06 10:14 PM
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#29. "RE: PS - uninstalled this morning!"
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Punchcards - a bit before my time, but my first program in high school was saved on paper tape. So I can relate to your post. And although I'm a geek by any measure, I've never used PS, have been using JASC PSP for years instead.

Agreed that PS is enormous overkill for most photographers. NX is s-o-o close to being everything I need but unfortunately the lack of a 'clone' brush is a deal-breaker - I still need PSP, or something, to finish the job.

There are some other obvious problems with NX, like not being able to re-sequence steps, and a disappointing amount of general clunkiness in the UI. But the thing that really holds me back is, I don't know if Nikon's committed to it on their side. What I see from big companies like Nikon is that they'll pour resources into developing a major piece of software like NX, get it to market, follow up with a quick bug-fix release that takes care of the serious crashes - and then it turns to stone at rev 1.1. It goes unchanged for 4 years until the pressure for something new becomes overwhelming.

Hope I'm wrong, It would be nice to find out something about the ongoing relationship between Nikon and Nik Software.

  

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#30. "RE: PS - uninstalled this morning!"
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Unfortunately, Adobe has some pretty strong patents on the clone tool technology. From what I've heard, while it would be incredibly easy to produce a clone tool, it would be infringing on Adobe's patent(s) big-time.

Given last years SNAFU over ACR, I can't imagine Nikon wanting to do anything that would infringe on Adobe's patents.

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#32. "RE: PS - uninstalled this morning!"
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>Unfortunately, Adobe has some pretty strong patents on the
>clone tool technology. From what I've heard, while it would
>be incredibly easy to produce a clone tool, it would be
>infringing on Adobe's patent(s) big-time
>
>Jason P. Odell


But then how do Picture Window Pro, Paint Shop Pro X et al. get away with including a clone tool?

I could understand if the Adobe products were the only ones with a clone tool ... .

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Adobe's patents relate to the Healing Brush and patch tool, not the basic clone tool.

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#36. "RE: PS - uninstalled this morning!"
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I learn something new everyday.



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#35. "RE: PS - uninstalled this morning!"
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Minneapolis, US
          

But JASC (Paint Shop Pro) has a perfectly good clone brush. That's what I've been using. So it can't be simply a matter of Adobe having a patent on the concept of a clone brush.

I think NX is limited to operations that can be 'parameterized' i.e. expressed as a operation with a set of numbers - for example a control point is basically some XY coordinates, an RGB value, a radius, and some numbers for contrast and brightness. Ok, maybe a bit more than just that, but essentially a mathematical operation on the image that can be reversed . But a 'clone brush' modifies the pixels in a way that can't be expressed in a few numbers, or easily undone. Those sorts of things couldn't be stored as 'steps' that can be toggled on and off. Same with cut/copy/pasting parts of an image. Just doesn't fit in the NX model.

What NX does, however, it does well.









  

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#44. "RE: PS - uninstalled this morning!"
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>Given last years SNAFU over ACR, I can't imagine Nikon
>wanting to do anything that would infringe on Adobe's
>patents.
>
>-Jason

The smartest thing Nikon could do is partner with Adobe.
Let Adobe handle all their software needs. Then let the
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#20. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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I have the exact opposite experience....Using a dual G5 Powermac....I wonder if those having lots of issues are winows users...maybe the mac version is more stable and faster....

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#21. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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BJ, be sure to post back sometime in the future if you change your mind! I for one can't see myself going back to Capture after NX. It runs faster on my clunky old machine, has everything that Capture has and some added features. Lucky me. I am sure that the bugs will get ironed out. We are after all comparing it with mature versions of PS and Capture.
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#23. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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I don't understand the comparisons between Nx and CS2. A pickup is a pickup, not a ten wheeler. Not only do I not need a wheeler, I don't want one. If you're looking at it from a photographer's perspective and you need many of Photoshop's tools to do what you want with your images why would you even consider Nx? That is in fact a waste of time. But really, to say that it doesn't compare to CS2 is stating the obvious.

I too have been around computers and software before hard drives. I can use photoshop but I hate it. The last version I bought was 5 and I don't even know where the cd is. I'm not saying anything bad about photoshop. I just hate it. It was easier for me to learn Linux. More importantly, I only need a fraction of what it can do.

Just my own personal preference but the learning curves involved in photography (which never end) and the D200 are rewarding challenges for me. The challenge of learning a complex piece of software which isn't intuitive to me are not rewarding. Software is a need, not a pleasure to me. NC4 was all I needed and did all I wanted it to do. NX is the same logic, runs faster and does more. The gui needs improvement but I've seen worse and it will undoubtably improve.

Bottom line is first, I start off with exactly what I expected from the camera settings. I don't have to essentially start out from scratch again because the editor can't see my camera settings in raw. That's a biggy. If you're shooting nefs and using other software I'm not sure why you'd bother with camera settings. I totally understand the satisfaction many get from the additional editing powers Photoshop has and having the ability to modify an image to a high degree. I want the least amount of distance between the image out of the camera and the finished image. If it comes out of the camera exactly as I wanted it then I'm tickeled pink. The more I have to modify an image the less I like it. So with that admittedly outdated mentality, NX does more than enough for me.

On system requirements, well, that's the way it is. If you think NX is slow, try running Doom3 on the same computer. On the expense, is there something wrong with a corporation trying to make a profit? Frankly, 90 bucks for the upgrade is cheap and you'd go through 150 very quickly in film costs. The fact that they now sell Control separately means if you only need the editor you're not paying for something you don't need. Compare NX to what Canon makes available. On the learning curve, I'm not the brightest bulb on the chandolier and two or three hours was all I needed to get a good start.

It is version 1.0 of a camera maker's software. Give it a chance. If you need PS, great but an awful lot of users are going to find this software more than exceeds their needs and expectations. IMHO if you're shooting a Nikon dslr and don't use Capture you're missing out on some things. Really, though, if you're sold on Photoshop, like it, need it, don't want anything different then NX isn't what you want and if you're thinking its a replacement for CS2 you are in fact wasting your time.



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#28. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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The workflow I would LIKE to have is Aperture for my image management and the choice for products like Capture NX and Photoshop for RAW editing.

On the Photoshop note, I have used Photoshop on the job since version 1.0 many, many years ago (I think may forget that Photoshop was created long before digital photography). I have never found Photoshop (or any Adobe Product) intuitive or easy to use. Powerful, yes, easy no.

I personally find it refreshing that:

(A) A Camera manufacturer has invested the effort in software development AT ALL (rather than just give the NEF Raw converters to folks like Adobe).

(B) Are attempting to create a new approach in software for image manipulaton, and trying to do a good job at it.

I just moved to Digital last week, so I'm still evaluating my software choices. I'll probably get PS eventually anyway, but now Capture NX is lookig pretty good

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#37. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Steve, very well put.

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#39. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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I am a senior software engineer. I have worked with various high tech developement tools. If these tools make my job harder with little benefit, or they are counter intuitive, I as a developer get ticked off.

In short, I lose patience with software that makes me do a dog and pony show and all sorts of tricks just to get a simple task done.

My first experience with NX was actually quite positive. I was not doing anything fancy but I found what I needed quite fast.

I have been learning a lot about photography. I am not interested in spending hours touching up photos behind a computer screen.

I will have more time to play with the tool next week and my impressions could change, but NX seemed like a nice tool,

(unlike some UML modeling tools in the programming world that are supposed to improve productivity, reliabiliy, etc but only cause heartache because I spend an hour setting something up when I could write the code in c++ in 5 minutes)


  

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#42. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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"(unlike some UML modeling tools in the programming world that are supposed to improve productivity..."

Remember "Rational Rose" in the 90s?

  

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#31. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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I like everyone else have been waiting in great anticipation for NX to become available. Now that I've been playing around with it for a few days, I agree with Bob that it is a diamond in the ruff. I'm sure Nikon will make improvements as they go. Is it the end all of workflow software? Hardly... but at this point it would make a great Photoshop Plug-in.

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#34. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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Portland, US
          

>>>Not worth my time, best luck to those who stick with it.<<<

Funny, I've been saying the same thing.

Lightroom may be worth my time or even a new and improved ACR as all I'm really looking for is a good RAW front end to Photoshop and a means to organize my RAW files.

So far, nothing is moving me away from RawShooter but when I start doing more portraits I'll need somthing else as RawShooter isn't so good at pumping out great skin tones quickly. I love it for landscapes!

  

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#43. "RE: Capture NX - uninstalled this morning"
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If you're interested in Lightroom, you may want to see this series of articles George Mann is writing.

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>Not worth my time, best luck to those who stick with it.

I like it so much better than Capture 4.2 I'm sticking. I think the Nikon SW fills a niche until the platform generates an open platform RAW image (which doesn't seem likely right now).

Capture NX seems to have been written in .NET and is a lot less buggy than Capture 4.2 IMHO. I like the features I've tried and the D-Light control is nice. NX program seems memory and thread smart, unlike Capture 4.2 which seemed to trip over itself quickly.

I haven't stressed NX but at this point I'm a buyer.... and the competition can only motivate Adobe to make Photoshop better product since they can't buy-and-bury.

  

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