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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Wed 12-Apr-06 01:35 AM
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"Capture NX"


White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

Hi All

This new capture NX looks very interesting,,,the current version could really stand with an upgrade considering Nikons not keen on including it with there SLR's,,.

Does any one know the if this is actually availible or what price it is or any speculation on avaibilty or what its likely to cost,,.

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gheck58 Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Dec 2003Wed 12-Apr-06 03:27 AM
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#1. "RE: Capture NX"
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Aliso Viejo, US
          

It does sound very nice and I'd like to have it. Hate to sound pessimistic, but if they deliver like they did the D200 and the 105 VR you will have a while to wait before you find out.

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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Wed 12-Apr-06 03:33 AM
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#2. "RE: Capture NX"
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White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

I hope they dont get crazy with the price,,. I think the current edition is around $100.00,,will this be substatially more?

Lyle,,,,,,,,.

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Garrett Hayes Gold Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2004Wed 12-Apr-06 07:49 AM
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#3. "RE: Capture NX"
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Lucan, Ireland, IE
          

The bad news as regards price is that it will be expensive!!

The European Nikon site suggests a retail price of £119-00 STG, which is the equivalent of € 172-00 Euro or $ 209.00.

GH

  

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Dave C Registered since 10th Mar 2002Wed 12-Apr-06 11:14 AM
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#4. "RE: Capture NX"
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Dunfermline, GB
          

Hi,

Quick comment on pricing.
Items are very commonly priced as £1 =$1 which is why we like shopping in the States
Therefore if it is £119 here, chances are it will be $120 in the U.S. so not much difference from NC.

Always look on the bright side of life de dum de dum...........
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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Wed 12-Apr-06 11:20 AM
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#5. "RE: Capture NX"
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White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

Ill bet sales are off on the 4.4 version,,.

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BRiggleman Registered since 10th Nov 2002Wed 12-Apr-06 12:35 PM
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#6. "RE: Capture NX"
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Charles Town, US
          

You bet, however, they have lowered the price to $49.95. (at least on Nikon's website store front).

I always want the next model up!

  

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wailingtoad Registered since 28th Oct 2005Wed 12-Apr-06 01:13 PM
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#7. "RE: Capture NX"
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>You bet, however, they have lowered the price to $49.95. (at
>least on Nikon's website store front).

That seems to suggest that there won't be a cheap upgrade price for previous owners of NC. Other companies have offered a free upgrade to people that purchased a previous version after the new version was announced; however, Nikon has been silent on anything regarding pricing, upgrades, etc.

I just wish they would hurry up and release it already. I was literally just about to go out and purchase NC when NC-NX was announced. I had made the decision to purchase it, had called around to camera stores in the area to find out who had it in stock, and was planning on getting it as soon as I had time to drive the 20 miles to the store. Now I'm in wait mode. If Nikon would, at least, announce the pricing and upgrade policy then I might still purchase NC 4.4; but, I don't want to spend $100 and then find out I have to spend another $100 (or more) in a couple of months to get the latest version.

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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Wed 12-Apr-06 10:45 PM
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#8. "RE: Capture NX"
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White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

Im waiting,,,,I was upset that I couldnt upgrade my old Csature 3 version which I had long since quit using because I hated it,,slow ackward and far easier to use ACR and CS,,,.

This new version sounds exciting,,.

The only reason I considered Capture 4 was because of the D200 files and now Im hearing that there is improved quality and noise with the Nikon Capture,,..

Ill use Nikon Editor and CS2 till they release this NX,,.

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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004Thu 13-Apr-06 12:19 AM
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#9. "RE: Capture NX"
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Wethersfield, US
          

Y'know, I recently upgraded a copy of Photoshop 4 (that's right, 4) for Macintosh to CS2 for a fraction of the price of a new license. It's hard to understand why Nikon couldn't do the same.

Then again, if you want an inexpensive pursuit, take up yachting rather than photography.

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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Thu 13-Apr-06 12:31 AM
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#10. "RE: Capture NX"
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White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

Nikon likes to lead us along,,,,if they would have tossed the Capture 4.4 in with the D200's it would have been fine,,. Instead they leave us hanging there with a camera file that Adobe cant open and want you to buck up $120 bucks to use the camera properly,,.
The minute ACR came out I dumped my old un upgradeable Capture 3 and never looked back,,. Now they leading us back in again,,.

Ive been using the Nikon editor in Nikon View to open the D200 Nef's,,. It works fine,,.

Anyway,,,,its my hope that they have something here with NX and its worth the extra $120.00,,.

Lyle,,,,,,,,.

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drbrog Platinum Member Charter MemberThu 13-Apr-06 02:30 AM
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#11. "RE: Capture NX"
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Chicago, US
          

I just purchased capture 4.4 and was told by tech support that I would get a free upgrade to NX when released.

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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Thu 13-Apr-06 02:46 AM
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#12. "RE: Capture NX"
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White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

Thats cool,,,what did you pay for it,,.

Lyle,,,,,,,,.

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#13. "RE: Capture NX"
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Chicago, US
          

$99

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AZ Nikon Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd May 2004Mon 24-Apr-06 11:43 PM
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#44. "RE: Capture NX"
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Oro Valley, US
          

Can you post the website address for Nikon Capture? The Nikon Mall still has it for $99.99


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Mikebj Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Feb 2006Thu 13-Apr-06 11:29 PM
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#14. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

I contacted Nikon Uk regarding the new NC NXand send them this mail through their website

>(Mail from me to Nikon)
>I bought my Nikon Capture From Warehouse Express in UK on 13-01-2006, not only amazed that I had to buy a software that should be included with the camera for free, but only one and a half month later I learn that a new version is expected in May, my question now is will i get an upgrade to Nikon Capture NX for free, or am I again going to pay the full amount?"

The answer I got back was this:

>(answer from Nikon)
>Dear Michael,
>Unfortunately this update will not be free of charge. However we >providing another software free of charge called Picture Project, >sending you CD.

>Kind Regards,

>Igor Tesinsky
>Nikon Europe Support
>www.europe-nikon.com/support

Why bother answer by sending me a Picture Project which i all ready have, or could have downloaded my self. Maybe i was not clear ebough with my question, I should of course have asked what the "cheap" upgrade price was.

I love my Nikon camera, but the fact that I have to buy software to use the camera to it's full potential, is to me the same as buying a car and then have to pay extra to get wheels on it so I can use it to it's full potential.
How do we as a pretty large user group, put some pressure on Nikon to at least give us fair(read cheap) upgrading prices, and as you can see i bought my NC 4.0 on 13-01-06, should I not be entitled to a free upgrade?
I mean surely they must have known a new version was on it's way.

Any way I am going to contact the company i bought it from and ask them.
Sorry for my long rant, I'm just so bitterly dissapointed with a company who's product's I love, but but to me it seems they don't care much about their customers.

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Mikebj

  

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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Fri 14-Apr-06 12:35 AM
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#15. "RE: Capture NX"
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White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

Your rant is perfectly waranted,,,,Why would they give you a copy of picture project,,,,,,what an insult,,,its beyound me why they even included it with the D200,,.

I would have just thrown in a copy of the old Capture or even the Nikon Editor 6.6 so peple could use the Nef feature on the cameras,,.

Lucky Canons around setting the pace or we would still be paying 6k for 4.1 Meg SLR's,,.


Lyle,,,,,,,,.

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Mikebj Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Feb 2006Sat 15-Apr-06 04:23 PM
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#16. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

Update:

I got the promised CD with Picture Project v1.6.3, nicely burnt by
Mr. Igor Tesinsky him self I presume, not even a properly manufactured Picture Project CD as the one I had with my D50.

I am sorry it is really so sad, that all you can do is give up and laugh.

Thank you for listening to me, I am all done now and feel better for it, this CD will go on the wall in my little studio;-)

Cheers
Mikebj

  

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#17. "RE: Capture NX"
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Here's another way to look at it. Canon provides their CRW software for no charge. Yet, if you talk to most Canon shooters who have an established RAW workflow, they aren't using it. To be fair, Nikon has always charged for Capture because part of that cost goes back to fund further software development. I have to say, since the first iteration of Capture after the D1 came out, this product has come a long way. Granted - it's slow and the code base is long overdue for a revision. Enter Nik Software and Capture NX.

Based on comments from the head developer of the Capture team on another mailing list, the street price for NX was going to work out to USD149. So, chances are, you'll have to fund the difference out of pocket. In another thread in this forum, a member made inquiries with Nikon and was told the upgrade from a recent 4.4 purchase would be about USD49. You paid full price, but you're getting what you paid for, nothing less, and you'll end up with copies of both programs.

Yes, it would have been good customer relations for Nikon to offer some sort of discounting for recent purchasers of Capture to move to NX, but I think that would have cannibalized sales and made the collaboration unprofitable to Nik Software, since they're the ones who have put up the bulk of development costs to get NX and View Pro out the door.

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#18. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

No disrespect but I really don't care what Canon does for their customers, I love Nikon and should be regarded as a loyal customer and be rewarded for it, not punished.
You seem to forget that the bulk of Nik's development costs came from the investment Nikon made in Nik.

Furthermore there is nothing fair about it at all, I paid a lot of money to get my Nikon equipment, and I still think that the software to use my equipment to it's full potential should be provided for free.

But since this is not the case, and I have paid £119.00(the going price in UK) for Nikon Capture 3 months ago, should I not have had the oportunity to decide if I wanted NC 4.4 or if I would wait for the NC NX, don't tell me they didn't know back then.

And when I asked Nikon about it, shouldn't they have offered me a substancial discount on the upgrade to NX, or at least told me what the upgrade price would be if any?

So you can defend Nikon and Nik all you want, I still think I'm right and I still love my Nikon.

Cheers
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#19. "RE: Capture NX"
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It's the other way around. Nik put up most of the cost for NX. Nikon knew they needed to get off the codebase for Capture since version 3, it was long overdue. But one cannot be a excellent camera manufacturer *and* an excellent software house. They had to collaborate with a partner that could deliver a quality product. Nikon provided much of the data points and the proprietary information neccessary to properly decode RAW files (versus Adobe's reverse-engineering approach). And to cannibalize those sales by offering point discounts when no one has even seen the software seems pretty foolish, even if I as an individual customer would benefit from it.

Edited to add: If you look at the feature set for NX, a lot of it is drawn from Nik's previous products. All Nikon likely provided is the right way to decode the RAW file. Everything else is an innovation. It's clear this isn't a product out of the camera maker's software labs.

I offered the Canon example as a rebuttal to all the complaints from Nikon users who say Capture should be provided as free. Well, look at Canon users - they get their RAW converter for free and do they use it? It appears not. I wonder why - could it be that Adobe RAW is actually better? So free gets you *exactly* what you paid for it.

As for the rest of it, you need to relax, really. No piece of software is worth that much aggravation. Have a Happy Easter if you celebrate and it, and if not, hopefully Spring is in the air where you are.

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#20. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

"(Quote from Nik's website)SAN DIEGO, CA – February 14, 2006 – Nik Software, Inc. (formerly Nik Multimedia, Inc.) announces that it has reached a worldwide agreement with Nikon Corporation (Tokyo, Japan) that enables technological collaboration between the two companies to develop and distribute digital photographic software and imaging technologies. This agreement builds upon Nik’s existing collaborative relationship with Nikon Corporation, which produced and distributed proprietary versions of Nik’s award-winning Nik Color Efex Pro™ plug-ins for use in Nikon Capture software.

As part of the agreement, Nikon has made a capital investment in Nik Software, Inc. Terms of the agreement are not disclosed."

You should know by now that I really don't care about Canon products and if their users use it or not.

Just because you are a camera manufacturer, doesn't mean you can't have a decent piece of software to go with your product, doesn't matter if it is in house developed or by a software company.

>So free gets you *exactly* what you paid for it
I completely disagree, the Internet is a brilliant example of that, free or very cheap software that does exactly or more than a lot of expensive programs.

I am fully relaxed, and I am still smiling despite the fact I think your argument is wron

I do wish you a Happy Easter as well, and hope you are having a great time.

Cheers
Mikebj

  

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#21. "RE: Capture NX"
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Covington, US
          

I agree with you fully. I am 63 years old and have been a loyal Nikon customer since I was 20. When I started with digital several years ago, I was surprised at lack of software support offered by Nikon, even then.

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#22. "RE: Capture NX"
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Paignton, GB
          

Whilst I can understand the view that camera makers should include whatever software is necessary to process RAW files with their cameras, I'm a more old-fashioned sort of guy myself.

In the days of film, neither Nikon nor any other maker supplied the tools that were required to produce an image from their cameras. Their responsibility ended when the camera recorded a latent image on film. Why should we expect it to be different now?

Brian
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Mikebj Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Feb 2006Sun 16-Apr-06 06:20 PM
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#27. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

Brian, I suppose you got a point there, have to think about that on )

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Mikebj Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Feb 2006Sun 16-Apr-06 07:02 PM
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#28. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

I still disagree with you, to say the dealer dont put petrol in your car goes without saying, I don't expect Nikon to pay for charging my batteries, I do however expect my printer manufacturer to deliver a driver for it.
If we just accept that Nikon makes cameras and there for should not deliver software to handle the for Nikon specific parameters like post Exp Comp, Sharpening, Tone Comp, Color mode, Saturation and last but not least Hue Adjustment, then it will never change.

Let me just remind you that I HAVE bought the software, and I am going to buy the upgrade as wel if it becomes available, that how ever does not change the fact that I still think it should come with the camera.

I have for 24 years been buying computer software, and every single one have had a more or less fair upgrade scheme, so far I have not been able to find an upgrade price from NC 4.4 to NC NX, so maybe this is all a premature discussion?

I fully accept that we have different opinions and we probably cant agree, so I will leave it at that, and finish by saying thank you for not biting my head off just becaue I have a different opinion.



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#30. "RE: Capture NX"
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Paignton, GB
          

No problem, Mike. One of the great things about Nikonians is that members are able have a difference of opinion without the debate degenerating

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#23. "RE: Capture NX"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>Furthermore there is nothing fair about it at all, I paid a
>lot of money to get my Nikon equipment, and I still think
>that the software to use my equipment to it's full potential
>should be provided for free.

Where does that philosophy end? To get the full potential from a digital camera you need software that will organize your photo library, burn CDs/DVDs, create slide shows, etc. Should Nikon provide all of that for "free"? I'm not sure I would want that, anyway. Most of the software that came with any hardware I've ever bought was puny. Software that is under active development because it is a revenue source tends to be much better.

You know, Nikon did provide RAW-conversion software with the camera. It's in the firmware and is accessed by switching to JPG mode.

I'd be just as happy if Nikon provided no additional software of any kind but instead opened up their formats and technologies so that third-party software vendors could more easily support Nikon RAW files.

>And when I asked Nikon about it, shouldn't they have offered
>me a substancial discount on the upgrade to NX, or at least
>told me what the upgrade price would be if any?

I do agree their upgrade policies could be better.

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#24. "RE: Capture NX"
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Roswell, US
          

Hmm...

I understand your frustration with the upgrade process. Hopefully Nikon will understand, as well. I bought Capture 4.4 the day before the announcement of NX and gave a big, Homer Simpson, "DOH!!" when I read the news release.

As for getting the software free because it's "the same as buying a car and then have to pay extra to get wheels"...look at it this way. Few car companies pay for your fuel, so even if they gave you wheels, you'd still have the obligation of fuel in order to use your car to its full potential. Here's another way to look at it - Nikon typically does not provide memory cards - a definite must if you want to use your camera at all, much less to its full potential - with their DSLRs. Would you suggest that they provide those free, as well? Perhaps they should also scrap the premium they charge for kitted lenses and give those away free as they, too, are required for getting the most out of your camera.

Software is just another accessory that they charge for. They are a business and they have to charge for their products, otherwise they can't provide us all the wonderful cameras and lenses they do. Besides, software doesn't really provide you a means of using your camera to it's full potential, it provides you the means of processing your images to their full potential. Like Brian Tilley said - no film camera manufacturer has ever (as far as I know) provided darkroom equipment for processing your images WITH their camera (well - except in the case of Polaroid instant cameras, I suppose).




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#25. "RE: Capture NX"
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Paignton, GB
          

>well - except in the case of Polaroid instant cameras, I suppose

Good point - I hadn't thought of that...

As for the problem of buying a product and soon after finding a newer version is released, that's just one of the penalties of any fast-moving technology. It's not specific to Nikon, though I appreciate it is frustrating.

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#26. "RE: Capture NX"
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Roswell, US
          

Exactly. That's the point I intended to make. My example did a poor job of conveying it.


Ben

  

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#29. "RE: Capture NX"
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Shrewsbury, GB
          

It seems from various messages here that Capture NX is an almost complete rewrite by Nik. I haven't seen this in information from Nikon although there is clearly at least SOME input from Nik.

Is it certain that it is a full rewrite? I have been most impressed by Nik software I have come across and would be willing to jump earlier if I KNEW it was a complete rewrite by them. Although an occasional user of Nikon software I am less than impressed by the speed and workflow of Capture 4.x.

Ken Bird
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#31. "RE: Capture NX"
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Corsicana, US
          

I still have my copy of Photo Secretary....abandoned and left without support even before digital came along. So I've been a little leery of adapting Nikon software into my standard workflow ever since.

But I would do it if I got improved image quality over what I get using PS CS2. I'll plead ignorance and confusion here. What's the consensus, if there is one?

Does Capture/NX really give a better NEF conversion than Photoshop? I tried an older version of Capture once and it was a real drag on the workflow since it wouldn't interface with Photoshop and it added several minutes for each file.

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#32. "RE: Capture NX"
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Shrewsbury, GB
          

I am relatively inexperienced at printing but I have had results I am pleased with from both Capture and CS2. I have seen (pre big Nikonians crash) examples by other Nikonians using both and Capture seemed to have the edge but that was a year or so ago. I don't know whether that is current. I suspect that in skillful enough hands either will do well.

I need software that has an obvious workflow, is less complex than PS to use but that can do the essential complex photographic bits easily. It needs to be much faster than Capture. The ability to produce excellent prints is an obvious pre-requisite. I would like to be able to sort my images quickly, compare them on screen at the same time, add metadata.

At the moment there doesn't appear to be any one piece of software that will do it yet I only have time really to learn one piece of software. My current workflow of importing with Nikon View, browsing in Adobe Bridge and then using either Capture or PS leaves me skillful and efficient at none. I like Nik software and have my fingers crossed, it depends on how much they have been involved I think as to whether Capture NX / View Pro will be what I hope for.

Ken Bird
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Mikebj Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Feb 2006Mon 17-Apr-06 01:20 PM
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#33. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

Hi Ken,

I am sure that if we talk White Balance, then most programs will do just as good a job if not better than NC, and might I add a lot faste

But if we are talking about Exp Comp, Sharpening, Tone Comp, Color mode, Saturation, and Hue Adjustment, then the only program enabling you to change those settings in post production are NC.
Only on RAW files!

So this new NC NX, to mee looks like it might finally be a joy to work with.

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#34. "RE: Capture NX"
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I see the point, that a producer should supply the software to use a camera to it's full potential. On the other hand Capture give enabels many possibilities.

To not supply an upgrade path from Capture to Capture NX is annoying. But selling Capture still after announcing NX and not providing an upgrade path is ridiciolous.

It puts me in to the position that I'm an onwer of a D200 since month(didn't consider to have Capture for my D70) and not able to use it to the full potential (at least if I'm not willing to pay the price twice). Especially there seems a big confusion about the future price (the price stated once on Nikon Switzerland disappeared). And even dealer has no information (he asked for it).

Well, I decided to wait until the official release. Having Nikon postponed the release date to the 3rd quarter - I'm now disappointed heavily.

  

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#35. "RE: Capture NX"
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US
          

Click here to view Nikon's announcement of the "change" in the release dates for Capture NX and Nikon View Pro.

  

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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Thu 20-Apr-06 02:36 AM
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#36. "RE: Capture NX"
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White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

Funny they even mentioned it if they dont know what there doing,,.

I just as soon I hadnyt heard of it,,. I suppose it helps some from buying the 4.4 version,,.

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#37. "RE: Capture NX"
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Saskatoon, CA
          

I don't mind paying for Capture. What I do mind is paying for it twice.
I bought a D200 a few months ago and have spent at least as much money on accessories and lenses - and I will be spending more.
I saw the Capture NX promo and fell in love with it, so I downloaded 4.4.
Other than it being slow I quite like it and would easily spend the money to purchase it. Do I want to fork over the money for 4.4 and again for NX - I think not ! My 30 days will expire before NX, and that kind of ticks me off.
It wouldn't cost Nikon 1¢ to let us know what the upgrade options would be. Have they considered extending the 4.4 trial time to NX delivery, or how about a beta NX - there must be other options that Nikon could use to take advantage of the delay, why aren't they looking at them ?
Nikon seems to like to pre announce products before they have the ability to supply or support them, may be good marketing but is it the best for the loyal end user ?
There are alternatives for some of their accessories that may even be better for my application - CS2 perhaps, Sigma 150 maybe. When I buy a competitors product, Nikon will have lost the sale. That doesn't seem to bother them enough. I hope Nikon will get their act together soon.
Sorry for the long and rambling post but my frustration level with Nikon is too high - but I do like the camera.

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#38. "RE: Capture NX"
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Saskatoon, CA
          

Has anybody seen the LightRoom videos ?

This looks like an awsome product. I don't have a Mac so I can't try the beta. You can bet that I will be following this with great interest.

The videos are at:
http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/lightroom/video/#

I wonder if this is the reason Nikon went back to the lab, and is hesitant to announce upgrades and pricing. I am not going to mind the wait one bit. This video just might have saved me the cost of 4.4.

I think we are going to see some awsome products this year that will make post processing a a whole lot more interesting.

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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Sun 23-Apr-06 03:38 AM
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#39. "RE: Capture NX"
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White Rock British Columbia, CA
          

>Has anybody seen the LightRoom videos ?
>
>This looks like an awsome product. I don't have a Mac so I
>can't try the beta. You can bet that I will be following
>this with great interest.

Hay Eric

Thanks,,,,Interesting impressive and also never ending,,.
Adobe's leading edge and it shows here!!

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#40. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

Hi Eric,

I fully agree it is really amazing, I'm just waiting for them to finish the Windows version so I can have a got at it;-)

But I am still looking forward to NC NX to see if NIK has managed to do a better job of it than Nikon.

I just wish they would hurry up and let us know how much(read little)we have to pay(again).


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#41. "RE: Capture NX"
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Shrewsbury, GB
          

Having used Lightroom for a while it seems to be a very different animal to Capture. More of a competitor for Aperture. The principle function of both for me would be workflow / organisational. Apple videos and tutorials suggest to me that Aperture is well ahead but Lightroom is still Beta.

I use Capture usually to process my RAW files. It does a good job. It is slow and visually holds little appeal but using it I can improve my photographs markedly. ACR can do a similar job. Lightroom definitely doesn't (at present!)

Ken Bird
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#42. "RE: Capture NX"
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I too am anxious to see NX,,. If its as advanced as what we have just seen on this Lightroom,,we wont need to do a whole lot in Adobe,,. One software would be great,,.

Im not holding my breath,,,. I wish they wouldnt mention these software packages till they are on the Market,,.

I just upgraded to CS2 so I could do the D200 files so Im not up to spending money evry four weeks,,.

Do you see this as a all new Adobe version or just a plug-in?

Ill bet its a all new version,,.

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#43. "RE: Capture NX"
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Fargo, US
          

Thanks ISO200 for the link to those LightRoom videos. I learn only about a thousand times better and faster with videos compared to text. There are tons of free instructional videos to be found online for PS as well. So in light of that...does anyone have any idea or links as to where instructional videos (or video snippets) for NC can be found online? I think NC videos would be little nuggets of gold where the learning curve is concerned.

Thanks in advance,

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#45. "RE: Capture NX"
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> I don't mind paying for Capture. What I do mind is paying for it
> twice...I saw the Capture NX promo and fell in love with it, so I
> downloaded 4.4.

so do I. The point is, that Nikon Capture 4.4 still demanded quite heavily (a friend works for an discount-shop). One reason seems the D200 run.

I doubt those buyers are aware of capture NX and may get quite frustrated afterwards.


  

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#46. "RE: Capture NX"
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Saskatoon, CA
          

It doesn't seem quite right that Nikon is selling an obsolete version of Capture, to perhaps unsuspecting customers.

It would seem a little more fair if the upgrade options (if any) were clearly defined and stated to new purchasers.

It doesn't put Nikon in a good light (pun intended).

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Lag Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Aug 2004Tue 25-Apr-06 12:43 PM
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#47. "RE: Capture NX"
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Nikons got enough confidence in there customer base that they don't mind ruffling a few feathers every now and again with a bit of built in obsolescence,,. The majority will always come around,,.

Just thank Canon for keeping them in the most part honest!!!

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Mikebj Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Feb 2006Thu 27-Apr-06 10:25 PM
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#48. "RE: Capture NX"
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Derbyshire, GB
          

Just found this info, and hopefully this is a good sign on what is to come:

"Quote Start"
Of course, the key features of Capture 4.4 are incorporated into NX, but NX is a new program, not an updater from previous versions of Capture. (Owners of any version of Capture will be able to get NX at a special upgrade price.)
"End Quote"
Here is the link for those wanting to read it all:
http://www.nikonpro.com/clear_definitions_main.php




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