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"upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"


Little Rock, US
          

I can't get too excited about this...Thoughts?

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/21/the-upcoming-nikon-retro-full-frame-camera-will-not-have-video-possible-announcement-on-november-6th.aspx/

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walkerr Administrator Awarded for his con tributed articles published at the Resources Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in multiple areas Nikonian since 05th May 2002Tue 22-Oct-13 09:00 PM
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#1. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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There's a part of me that still enjoys using some of the older film cameras. If the controls were more in that vein, I could be interested. If it's just a styling exercise, I wouldn't be as interested. The absence of video definitely doesn't bother me. Overall, the details are too sketchy and incomplete to really draw conclusions right now.

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#2. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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>There's a part of me that still enjoys using some of the
>older film cameras.

Same here and I still shoot them fairly regularly.

>Overall, the details are too sketchy and
>incomplete to really draw conclusions right now.

Good point...




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#3. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wed 23-Oct-13 12:43 AM by mklass

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If issued, it will be interesting to see how it is priced: as an expensive, retro, collectors camera, or as a low cost FX camera.

I was amused by these 2 lines:

  • It will come with a new AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G lens (again, not clear what mount the new lens will have)
  • Standard F-mount

Hopefully they make the lens compatible with the camera mount.

"The camera will have physical controls" is also good, as my telepathy skills are minimal (just ask my wife).

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#4. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>If issued, it will be interesting to see how it is priced: as
>an expensive, retro, collectors camera, or as a low cost FX
>camera

Yep, if it's just a high dollar, limited edition thing, I would have zero interest.

>
>I was amused by these 2 lines:
>
>

  • It will come with a new AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G lens
    >(again, not clear what mount the new lens will have)
    >
  • Standard F-mount


I saw that too. Guess they don't proof read very well...

David

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a digital FA would be interesting - with more metal!

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I would love a digital FM2... As long as the price was right... Which it won't be of course...

I wonder if the new lens will have the same MF feel of the old ones...

D2Xs + AF20-35mm f2.8 + AF35-70mm f2.8 + AF80-200mm f2.8

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#81. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Sun 03-Nov-13 02:45 PM by D2xer

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Yeah, I thought that was pretty odd, too. What other type of lens mount would they expect this supposedly 'classic Nikon' -based camera to have, for cripes sakes?
Ditto the reference to 'physical controls'. Some other forums' members really seem to be 'out there' on another planet alot of the time.

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#7. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

It will be interesting to see what they come up with, assuming this rumor is true. So far, though, I haven't seen anything that really piques my interest very much. A film-like body for the sake of nostalgia doesn't really interest me.

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#8. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wed 23-Oct-13 07:54 AM by William Rounds

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Whether it's retro or the next futuristic whiz-bang, I would like to see better eye-finders for people wearing glasses. I still have an F3HP. I think a physically robust long-lasting camera body (why do people still wait for a D400 anyway?) would interest many more people than a dozen more "scene" modes.

But I do think there are serious photographers who don't need hundreds of possible settings to choose exposure, and who would rather not have to go through dozens of button pushed screens to get there. I don't think I have ever used one of the many "scene" modes, have you? There's a lot of software clutter put in cameras "just because they can".

I'll take this opportunity to put forth my own Nikon gripe list:

1) Nikon battery packs should have different trays allowing you to use several kinds of the previously issued batteries, including the ones you already have. This is not some sort of engineering impossibility and was one of the more pleasing aspects of the MB-10.
2) High Eyepoint type viewfinders should be the norm on the semi-pro and pro cameras.

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#11. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Glenwood, US
          

I agree about the need for better eye finders. I have had an eye operation for cataracts, and with my glasses I now have great difficulty in seeing the meter in my FE2. If I shift my eye far enough to see the meter, much of the right hand side of the viewfinder can't be seen. Looking at the latest Nikon Rumors indicates the possibility of a camera sized much like the F3, which is larger and heavier than the FM. Also price will be a concern for me, as it is with a lot of new Nikon equipment, which I find too expensive to justify buying considering how useful it is for my photography needs. Some items are nice to have, but my finances are always a consideration in my hobbies.

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#9. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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For me, retro for retro sake is pretty pointless. I don't want a model T either, or even a modern computer in an old-style monitor look.

I'm sure some nostalgia sales may occur, if it's priced for a lark. But I really wonder how many people will buy this as n upgrade?

I'd rather see them have put this energy into a full sized and full frame mirrorless completely compatible with existing lenses, shooting 20-30fps at about 24mpx with low light performance better than the D4.

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#10. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wed 23-Oct-13 01:41 PM by mklass

Tacoma, US
          

>I'd rather see them have put this energy into a full sized and
>full frame mirrorless completely compatible with existing
>lenses, shooting 20-30fps at about 24mpx with low light
>performance better than the D4.
>
And presumably priced below $1,000.

This would be a great camera, if Nikon wants to kill their DSLR line in one fell swoop.

Let's be realistic.

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#128. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Boy, do I agree with that! Fat chance.

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#12. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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McAllen, US
          

I guess there are photographers out there that this would appeal to but I am not one of them. Whether as a novelty or a collector's piece I would rather put my money on the latest designs as long as they fit my needs.

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dagoldst Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd Dec 2012Wed 23-Oct-13 02:09 PM
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#14. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>I guess there are photographers out there that this would
>appeal to but I am not one of them. Whether as a novelty or a
>collector's piece I would rather put my money on the latest
>designs as long as they fit my needs.

I tend to agree. And nobody else really has a camera like the D600/D610 - the Canon 6D is nowhere near as feature rich, and if this camera were, it would seem that Nikon is cannibalizing their line.

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#13. "Hogan poll on this camera"
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Little Rock, US
          

http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/the-fm-numbers.html

I wonder if Nikon is going to price it like a Leica???

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#15. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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A small body with manual controls that would allow me to properly focus with my AI & AIS lenses would be welcome.

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#19. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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San Diego, US
          

>A small body with manual controls that would allow me to
>properly focus with my AI & AIS lenses would be welcome.

Agree. It should have a split prism focusing screen.

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#16. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

Now they are saying it will be closer to an F3 form factor:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/22/nikons-retro-full-frame-camera-coming-in-two-weeks.aspx/

That makes it even less interesting, I think, although if it had interchangeable finders like the F3 it would be pretty cool! The F3 had an optional high-eyepoint finder, for example, as well as other options.

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#47. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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San Jose, US
          

Aside from my current D700, my F3HP was my favorite camera. I miss the 100% viewfinder AND the interchangeable finders and screens. The one thing that bothers me about this new proposed camera is the D610 focusing system instead of the one on the D4 whose sensor it is supposed to use. If overall it was the size of an F3 with all manual controls it might be close to the D700 replacement we all have been looking for.

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#83. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Oakland, US
          

Funny you mention that. Of all the classic Nikons, I loved my F3HPs the best, and I've long thought the D700 was in many ways the closest to it. Though, given all it's features vs the F3s relative simplicity, it'd be tough for me to go backwards from a D700.

It's hard to see why they wouldn't have just used a slimmed-down D700 as the basic concept for this 'DF', just with the 16MP sensor.

Guess I'll be staying with my D700/D300 pair for quite awhile - they're already quite 'compact', compared to say a D2x 8>)

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#17. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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CH
          

I would absolutely love a camera with those specs.

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#25. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>I would absolutely love a camera with those specs.

What specs? It is nothing you cannot buy right now, IMO.

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#18. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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US
          

Latest rumored specs; $3,000 ouch.
http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/23/new-set-of-specifications-and-us-price-for-the-retro-styled-nikon-fx-dslr-camera-d4h.aspx/#more-65784
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#20. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Ontario, CA
          

I was looking forward to seeing this new camera as I do prefer the "retro" look, as shown by my Olympus OMD-EM5. I would even consider buying one - but not at a price higher then a new 800!!
It will be interesting to watch this unfold.

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#21. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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I think at this point I'm going to reserve judgement until there is an official announcement. Some of the reported rumors don't jibe, and I just think it's best to wait for authoritative information.

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#22. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>I think at this point I'm going to reserve judgement

Yeah, Nikon rumors is really looking like nothing more than speculation at this point - they have described three different cameras in two days for the one announcement.

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#23. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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CH
          

The marketing department at Nikon is having a great time at the moment.

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/24/first-nikon-retro-camera-teaser-its-in-my-hands-again.aspx/#more-65898

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#24. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Andover, NJ, US
          

Nikon Rumors is now saying it will be called the "Nikon DF"
http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/24/the-name-will-be-nikon-df.aspx/

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#26. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Alberta, CA
          

If it really is the D4 sensor it should sell well!

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#27. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Houston, US
          

Not interested! In my opinion Nikon needs to come up with a pro full frame mirrorless camera capable of at least 12fps. Until then all of this other stuff is window dressing. Additionally, as someone who owns both a D4 & D3s and a bunch of lenses, if Canon gets there first I might consider jumping ship.

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#28. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Alberta, CA
          

Fair enough, but the mirrorless I feel least rushed about needing is the full frame one, simply because the lenses have to be big enough on FX to cover that ginormous high-res frame. I guess unless we are talking about 2-3 small slow (f/2.8) mirrorless FX primes, then yeah I could see a smallish kit useful, but I can't imagine myself needing f/2.8 zooms in a mirrorless line as they wouldn't be a ton smaller. Usually when I'm shooting FX I don't really mind my mirror flapping and size, weight, and cost penalties since the results are the best one can ask for.

The next mirrorless kit I am waiting for is a DX mirrorless line, as the lenses would be smaller. I'd easily forego a conventional D400 for a high-tech mirrorless D400.

The retro camera rumour does look interesting and unexpected by me. I will say Nikon really is on an FX-tear if they are about to introduce a fourth FX camera and it would be a good auxiliary use of the D4 sensor without directly competing with it. And none of Nikon's DX DSLR line is bad either. Should be an interesting black Friday through Xmas season!

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#29. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

From the photos it looks black and plastic.

Even the retro bit doesn't sit too well.

I wait to be surprised by the style but expect to be more surprised by the price.

  

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#30. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

If this camera has just a shutter speed dial and an ISO dial (possibly doubling up as ev dial) and a menu button for all the other functions I'd be well happy (basically a Nikon dslr version of the Fuji x100, which is still my favourite digital camera that I've ever owned).
I was contemplating buying a d600/610, but now I think I'll wait and see for this to come out (if it's for real).

  

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#31. "Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Muir Beach, US
          

Nikon DF specs:
Dimensions - 143.5 x 110 x 66.5mm
Weight - 765g

Nikon F3HP specs:
Dimensions - 148.5 x 101.5 x 69 mm
Weight - 760g

FM2 specs:
Dimensions - 142.5 x 90 x 60 mm
Weight - 540G

  

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#32. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Wed 30-Oct-13 10:49 AM by richardd300

Dyserth, GB
          

Early days, but when/if it arrives and if the price is reasonable!!!! then perhaps the V2 exorbitant price will drop. Or, perhaps that is extreme wishful thinking! Probably.

Ahh, Stop press - Launch date quoted as 5th November http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/29/nikon-df-announcement-on-november-5th.aspx/

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#33. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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US
          

If it has the same sensor as the D4 it would sell for the same price although it would have slower frame rate and a lot less features. But if you want one of these you must realize that less is really more. If you're looking for less features and save money I am sure it's not.

  

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#34. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Dyserth, GB
          

This type of camera wouldn't fit well in my collection. Two reasons, it would be just "different" technology doing the same job as my D800, a kind of portable option. It certainly wouldn't fill any of my DX needs, that being wildlife.

I am pleased however that Nikon are going to launch a serious piece of kit and there is a market place I am sure for many genres such as street, people and places, tourism etc. etc. In the fullness of time it could be just what I'm looking for, a lighter D800 hopefully with all its attributes. However, common sense tells me that the first launch version may not give us that.

All that said, I think it's very exciting news and Nikon needs to be there right at the top of the serious camera CSC tree and not before time.

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#35. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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US
          

Latest update at nikon rumors that it will be a mirrorless camera. I have no interest then.

  

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#36. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Dyserth, GB
          

<<The latest update at nikon rumors that it will be a mirrorless camera. I have no interest then>>

Yes, of course it is. Like it or not this is the way technology is going. Eventually the flapping mirror system will be consigned to history and cameras will have no moving parts, although I think that is quite a few years away yet.

I look forward to seeing what Nikon are offering and hopefully giving the opposition a run for their money

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#37. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Alberta, CA
          

>Latest update at nikon rumors that it will be a mirrorless
>camera. I have no interest then.

No, I don't see that on NR. Latest discussions are about camera size, but no mention that the camera is mirrorless, just the opposite. It looks like it will be a smallish FX retro body with mirror.

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#38. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Paignton, GB
          

>Latest update at nikon rumors that it will be a mirrorless camera.

I'm never keen to give too much credence to rumours, but the latest postings on NR say that this potential camera is an SLR, not mirrorless.

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#39. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Dyserth, GB
          

In my view it will be a great shame if it isn't mirrorless. I would like to see Nikon up there with a top grade offering.

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#40. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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US
          

>In my view it will be a great shame if it isn't mirrorless. I
>would like to see Nikon up there with a top grade offering.


I would think that the mirror is an important part of the retro ambiance .

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#41. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Dyserth, GB
          

Why did I assume it is mirrorless?

I suppose because it has a pentaprism as opposed to a pentamirror I assumed the camera may be mirrorless. Also, its size, also in a few videos I've watched, the lenses do not look dissimilar to those on the Nikon 1 and finally the shutter noise mimics the V1 in mechanical shutter mode. Not enough evidence alone to convince a jury, but in such a small package I would be surprised if it's not mirrorless.

In any event it's so obviously pitching against the Olympus OM-D retro wise. Although the OM-D is only 10mm wider and taller than my old OM4ti, so it could accommodate a shutter mechanism, but I don't think it could accommodate the battery and all the electronics too! They can hardly provide the power needed via two silver cells!

My monies on mirrorless.

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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004Thu 31-Oct-13 04:31 PM
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#42. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>Why did I assume it is mirrorless?
>
>I suppose because it has a pentaprism as opposed to a
>pentamirror I assumed the camera may be mirrorless.

I don't understand. A pentaprism and a pentamirror perform the same function, don't they? And that function is to reproduce the image formed on the focusing screen by the lens and mirror except flipped up 90 degrees and with proper orientation. Why on earth would a mirrorless camera need such a thing?

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#43. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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GB
          

That's what I was thinking, but then my knowledge of the workings of cameras is very poor. So I ended up thinking I had initially got it wrong or mixed up. I know the two mirror less cameras I've owned (x100 and xe-1) to my knowledge didn't have either one.

  

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#44. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

Pentaprisms are what are used on higher end DSLR and are what was used on the vast majority of older Nikon film cameras. The Nikon F had a pentaprism, for example. Pentamirrors are just lighter, cheaper and typically dimmer versions of the same.

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#45. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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GB
          

>Pentaprisms are what are used on higher end DSLR and are what
>was used on the vast majority of older Nikon film cameras.
>The Nikon F had a pentaprism, for example. Pentamirrors are
>just lighter, cheaper and typically dimmer versions of the
>same.

Thank you for the reply. It helped clear it up for me... I thought right then. I kind of figured you wouldn't need either as mirror less cameras usually have evf's, or a combination of evf and tunnel view finder (with added rangefinder in leica's)

  

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#46. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Thu 31-Oct-13 10:12 PM by lajolla

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One of my favorite cities: Edinburgh
The Nikon teaser for the November 5th release of their newest camera features some nice, though hastily shot, views of the city
This ad is of course aimed at photojournalists around the world - I guess more info on November 5th
http://www.nikonusa.com/nikon-video/nHbpDtaNRha/index.html

  

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#48. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Fri 01-Nov-13 03:20 AM by KnightPhoto

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>... I would be surprised if it's not mirrorless.
>
>In any event it's so obviously pitching against the Olympus
>OM-D retro wise. …

I think Nikon's potentially onto something. A small FX mirrored DSLR with old-time controls that takes every one of our lenses. It ought to compete well with the OM-D, FujiFilms, and Sony A-7 (Canon appears to be sleeping). If it includes the D4 sensor then that is a masterstroke, an absolute joy of a sensor to use as many will soon discover.

The new OM-D body grew substantially in size/weight but it's sensor would have to chuff awfully hard to compete with the D4 sensor. I feel bad for Olympus, except of course for those considering the total package of lenses + camera in which case M4/3 has some proponents. The FujiFilm responsiveness would completely turn me off, albeit I am impressed by its sensor. The A7/R may potentially be Sony's best success so far. A future similar but with better AF Nikon model would also do well. I don't see strong reasons why Nikon cannot support a pure photography line, mirrorless, and non-retro DSLR choices concurrently in the near future.

Don't know what the hybrid aspect of the DF is going to be, but if it delivers HUD-like features to the OVF on-demand, that could be a second masterstroke, and we'll all want it in our non-retro DSLRs too. I am really interested in the next steps, even though I'm not looking for a camera at the moment. Exciting times!

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#49. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Fri 01-Nov-13 09:14 AM by jbloom

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>Don't know what the hybrid aspect of the DF is going to be,
>but if it delivers HUD-like features to the OVF on-demand,
>that could be a second masterstroke, and we'll all want it in
>our non-retro DSLRs too.

What if the VF is not only a hybrid OVF/EVF but also the only digital display? No LCD on the back panel. All chimping is done via the VF. (Is it still chimping then?) Result: A slimmer and lighter body; much less concern about visibility in bright sunlight; less battery drain since it's running a smaller display.

Just some idle speculation on a Friday morning.

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#50. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Glenwood, US
          

I find the discussion and comments on the new Nikon DF very interesting, and it looks like a camera I could want. I fear my interest will evaporate once I see the price.

Matthew

  

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#51. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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GB
          

If it's around £2000 I'd be very interested and I'd save up the difference that I was looking to spend on a d600/610. Much more than that I'd have to go for my original choice. I think either would be great, though 16mp is a good size file without being to large.

  

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#54. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Sedro Woolley, WA, US
          

I am certainly interested but like others have stated the price might cause my interest to wane.

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#52. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Colorado Springs, US
          


>
>What if the VF is not only a hybrid OVF/EVF but also the only
>digital display? No LCD on the back panel. All chimping is
>done via the VF. (Is it still chimping then?) Result: A
>slimmer and lighter body; much less concern about visibility
>in bright sunlight; less battery drain since it's running a
>smaller display.
>
>Just some idle speculation on a Friday morning.
>

It has an LCD on the back.

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#53. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>What if the VF is not only a hybrid OVF/EVF but also the only
>digital display? No LCD on the back panel.

So much for that speculation. The latest teaser gives a glimpse of the edge of a rear-panel LCD.

The more I see of this, the more I think: D700 replacement.

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#55. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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US
          

>> The more I see of this, the more I think: D700 replacement.

At 5.5 fps (per the feature list on NikonRumors) it would not replace my D700. I'm one of those speed freaks that has a defined mission for 8+ fps or better on an FX body.

Also not enamored with the shutter speed dial for a daily workhorse camera, if only because I like to transition seamlessly between cameras.

But I could see that some people would rationalize it as a "D700 replacement", in that the file sizes are modest and it appears to have an AF-On button.

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#66. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Dyserth, GB
          

<<I think Nikon's potentially onto something. A small FX mirrored DSLR with old-time controls that takes every one of our lenses.>>

I have actually re-bought my original SLR's and I have recently returned to film photography as we have a dedicated monochrome and slide group in North Wales. I am using both 35mm and 120 film.

What I have found, which I had forgotten, is how small my old 35mm film cameras are. The OM10,2-SP and 4Ti are miniscule compared to my D800 and D7100. In fact they even shrink in comparison to my recently purchased Nikon F100. So, I had a chance to borrow the OM-D (original version) and I must admit I was smitten. It was like going back to the 1970 and 80's. However, it can't compete in my view with Nikon's V1 coupling with AF-S lenses togeter with the FT-1.

That got me thinking that if Nikon could bring us their OM-D retro equivalent mirrorless where the Nikon lenses worked as well as on the V1, life would be just about perfect. That said and remembering that the Df is a full frame camera, then that day appears to be a long way off. In that respect it looks like Nikon have no real plans for a mirrorless camera to match the Olympus offering.

The real crunch will be the price of the Df and I wouldn't even hazard a guess at what that may be. Certainly is exciting times!

Richard

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#68. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Alberta, CA
          

I always admired the OM's, and the lens kits, always looked great!

My feeling is every time something new comes out in one direction does not mean we won't get the other direction. I agree completely, by going mirrorless FX, Nikon can still, and in my view eventually will provide a mirrorless FX camera as well. And because it's mirrorless they could choose to house it in a tiny retro-FM body. Nikon can also provide two lines of mirrorless, one with the 46.5mm flange distance and one shorter. The former could natively mount F-Nikkors without need of an adaptor, the latter would need an adaptor.

I also think Nikon will be providing a mirrorless DX in the nearish future as well. I'm thinking Nikon 1, 2 (DX), and 3 series (FX). The Nikon 2 series need not retain the 46.5mm register distance of the f-mount, so the total package of DX mirrorless and shorter mirrorless lenses would make a small kit something like the OM-D or FujiFilm total size and weight. This future DX mirrorless could explain why there is currently little focus on pro-DX lenses - maybe Nikon is just waiting until their 2-series for that.

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#69. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Dyserth, GB
          

<< and in my view eventually will provide a mirrorless FX camera as well.>>

<<I also think Nikon will be providing a mirrorless DX in the nearish future as well.>>

I certainly hope you are right Steve. I can't help feeling Nikon's future health may depend on it.

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#129. "RE: Nikon DF, F3HP, FM2 specs"
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Gardnerville, US
          

I totally love my mirrorless camera (Lumix G3) and completely agree. It's light, easy to put on a pole, and takes excellent images. There are many times I prefer to take it over my D700 or my D800 because of the weight and convenience. If I had a full frame Nikon sensor mirrorless camera and could use all my old lenses, I'd be in heaven.

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#56. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Potomac, US
          

Maybe it is just me... but I find these "Pure Photography" teaser adds to be highly annoying and condescending.

So the photography I practice with my D800 isn't "pure?" What is it "polluted?" What the hell is "pure?" And, why should I be teased by a string of out of focus photos of a camera?

Just tell us what the darn thing is and how much it costs. Otherwise, stop it.

Rant over.

Larry Miller, Potomac, MD
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#57. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

It's just marketing, Larry. Pay it no mind.

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#58. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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US
          

we have to wait and see. But it seems like it will have a hybrid viewfinder and the LCD in the back. I think it would look nicer if it doesn't have the LCD in the back.

  

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#60. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

>we have to wait and see. But it seems like it will have a
>hybrid viewfinder and the LCD in the back. I think it would
>look nicer if it doesn't have the LCD in the back.

Or one you can swivel right around, that would be the best of both worlds

  

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#61. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>I think it would
>look nicer if it doesn't have the LCD in the back.

It is not a film camera. It needs the LCD, or would be a step back in digital photography.

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#62. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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US
          

The hybrid viewfinder has an LCD in the viewfinder where it's shielded from stray light and is magnified with the eyepiece would be a better way to view your captured image than the back LCD. And yes the LCD in the back makes cameras look less nice. With this camera it's not about performance as it won't beat the D4 in performance but it's about look and feel.

  

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#63. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Paignton, GB
          

Maybe a hybrid viewfinder (if such a thing is feasible in an SLR) would offer a way of reviewing images - but I'm afraid I can't imagine having to hold the camera up to my eye in order to access menus and change settings...

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#64. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Waukesha, US
          

i think a "flip" LCD with the buttons would be great - when the LCD is hidden, so would the buttons!

i hope the camera is "smart" enough to determine what lens is attached, the same way an old FA does so we can have program and shutter speed modes available with AI and AI-s lens.

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#65. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>Maybe a hybrid viewfinder (if such a thing is feasible in an
>SLR) would offer a way of reviewing images - but I'm afraid I
>can't imagine having to hold the camera up to my eye in order
>to access menus and change settings...

I agree, in fact, I can't imagine reviewing images or going through menus while looking through a viewfinder.

The camera would be impractical without an LCD.

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#67. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Ontario, CA
          

Just read on NR that the shutter release button is drilled and threaded for a mechanical release (AR-3?). Time to go rooting around in the attic bits and pieces boxes that have been gathering dust for 30/40 years. I know darn well I've got several remote mechanical releases that I used for Northern Light photography many years ago. Hate to say it but I'm starting to warm up to the idea of this new camera - but - as stated in this thread many times the elephant in the room will be the price.

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#70. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

The more I hear about this thing, the more I think it's for people who are more interested in nostalgia than they are in taking photographs.

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#71. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

Or it could be for people who want a digital camera that's stripped back of all the gizmos, like film cameras use to be

  

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#72. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>Or it could be for people who want a digital camera that's
>stripped back of all the gizmos, like film cameras use to be
>

To what purpose? You can ignore or default the "gizmos" in a digital camera. Anyway, from what I've seen, this camera seems to still have those gizmos (except for video), plus old-style gizmos.

A shutter speed dial? Really? Because what I want to do when I change shutter speed is take the camera away from my eye and adjust a top-panel dial instead of just twirling the dial that's under my thumb? Who wants to do that other than someone who wants to relive his youth? (For the record, I'm 61 years old and adjusted the shutter speed dial on a number of cameras back in the day. I also used to have to get up and walk over to the TV to change the channel, but I have no desire to relive that experience, either.)

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#73. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

It's horses for courses. Having a shutter speed dial and I'll add the aperture ring on the lens too, is very useful for street photography. I can see the settings without needing to switch the camera on. It allows me to be faster and more incognito when you're trying to get candid shots. It's a reason why Leica cameras have hardly changed.

  

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#76. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

Or you could just leave the camera turned on. While not taking photos and with the rear display off, you can leave a DSLR on all day and barely drain the battery at all. Then a glance at the top of the camera lets you easily adjust the settings.

I get that everyone has their preferred way of doing things, but I still think the desire for a dedicated shutter-speed dial has more to do with habit than with real advantage.

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#77. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

Jon, others view their preferences just as strongly as you view yours. They're both valid.

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#79. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Sun 03-Nov-13 02:10 PM by dagoldst

Little Rock, US
          

>Jon, others view their preferences just as strongly as you
>view yours. They're both valid.

Maybe.

I think it's going to have to be about the implementation to be an effective design. Personally, I prefer the modern ergonomics of a command dial for exposure comp, and a sub command dial for aperture settings. For me, this enables speed of use and minimal movement and disruption as I keep my eye to the viewfinder. It lets me focus on zooming a lens to the correct focal length for framing, and making sure my left hand is supporting the camera, (and thank goodness for VR).

I have plenty of old film cameras with manual focus, aperture rings and shutter speed dials and I shoot them on occasion. However, for me, they are slow in comparison to shooting any of my modern Nikons, and in particular, are glacial compared to my D600.

I am not talking about me taking my time to get the shot, I am talking about the camera's ability to get out of the way so I get the image I want. I am not sure a retro design is going to do that at all.

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#80. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

David, that's great that you have that preference. Do you understand that your preferences are not universal? I also have my old film cameras and still use them at times. Strangely enough, I can shoot very rapidly with them, and I think others are trying to get that same point across. We are not all the same, we don't all shoot the same way, and we don't have the same views on things. It doesn't make differing views wrong, incorrect or irrational.

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#82. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Dyserth, GB
          

<<David, that's great that you have that preference. Do you understand that your preferences are not universal?.>>

Agreed. After selling it 12 years ago I have just bought what was my last but one SLR, an Olympus OM-2SP. I use it for B&W and my newly aquired Nikon F100 for slides (in addition to my newly purchased Bronica ETRSi). I thought I would have difficulties in finding my way around both my old trusty Olympus and new Nikon/Bronica's. However the Olympus was like a returning friend and the Bronica was second nature after a roll of film. The Nikon was easy, due to the similarities to my current Digital Nikon's. I can now shoot rapidly with all 3 cameras.

My friend however, has done a similar thing and was struggling, his shooting methods were different to mine, however he's conquered it too.

My point is, presented with any new to me camera we all have different styles and routines and I am saying what I've said as a retro camera may, or may not prove a difficulty. My preferenced way with an analogue is different to a auto analogue camera and as you say "It doesn't make differing views wrong, incorrect or irrational".

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#98. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

><<David, that's great that you have that preference. Do
>you understand that your preferences are not
>universal?.>>
>
>Agreed. After selling it 12 years ago I have just bought what
>was my last but one SLR, an Olympus OM-2SP. I use it for
>B&W and my newly aquired Nikon F100 for slides (in
>addition to my newly purchased Bronica ETRSi).

I have an old favorite that I have been shooting since the late 1970's, the Canon A series cameras. In fact, I shot a Canon AE-1P for twenty two years, skipping all upgrades to autofocus and digital until my wife bought me a Nikon D70s in December 2005. That started my serious use of digital, going then to a D200 in 2008, and now the D600 last December. Still, the film cameras wormed their way back in to my life and I use them and a Nikon N80 for B&W work, (I develop my film over the kitchen sink these days).

I still pick up and shoot the old Canon all the time, it is as simple a paradigm for film photography as one can get and I still love the results. Thing is, I am not sure I would want a digital version of that camera.

Anyway, the fun part is we should know a great deal more about this new camera in the next week or so.

David

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#86. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>David, that's great that you have that preference. Do you
>understand that your preferences are not universal? I also
>have my old film cameras and still use them at times.
>Strangely enough, I can shoot very rapidly with them, and I
>think others are trying to get that same point across. We are
>not all the same, we don't all shoot the same way, and we
>don't have the same views on things. It doesn't make
>differing views wrong, incorrect or irrational.

You make a good point. I tend to think that the evolved design of the DSLR has been achieved over a long process of iterative designs and changes. So, to my way of thinking, a retro design will have to be extremely well thought out to bring anything other than romantic notions of great bygone cameras.

As I said earlier, it will all be in the implementation.

David

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#99. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Sun 03-Nov-13 06:51 PM by dagoldst

Little Rock, US
          

>David, that's great that you have that preference. Do you
>understand that your preferences are not universal?

Rick,

Thought I would add...a week ago I bought the camera below as an Xmas present for my son, I wanted him to learn photography from another perspective. It's just about a mint example, btw.



David

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#100. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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This is the camera my pal loaned me before I got the return of the film bug! It led me to buy back my beloved Olympus OM2-SP. The AE-1 is a wonderful camera for a student too.

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#101. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          

>This is the camera my pal loaned me before I got the return
>of the film bug! It led me to buy back my beloved Olympus
>OM2-SP. The AE-1 is a wonderful camera for a student too.

Richard,

I learned basic exposure with a 35mm camera in 1977 when the police department I worked for bought several Canon AE-1's for crime scene photography. That got me interested and so I bought an AE-1P several years later and the rest is history.

David

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#84. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Sun 03-Nov-13 03:12 PM by jbloom

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Rick, I actually don't view my preferences strongly. I use whatever mechanism is available to me. So far, none of the camera designs I've used, from the Leica I inherited from my grandfather in 1968 to the D7100 I have today, and all of the cameras I used in between, has kept me from taking photos.

But if some prefer a particular interface, can't we discuss why they prefer it? I'd like to understand why; I might be missing something that's outside of my experience.

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#93. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

Jon, if you seek to understand someone else's viewpoint, do that. Saying they only care about nostalgia or implying they're confused doesn't promote understanding. It's trying to shut down a discussion rather than starting one. Here's a quick explanation for why I can find virtues with the older style controls, as well as new ones:

- I learned to shoot KII slide film with a meterless camera when I was ten years old. I had one of the old style Kodak exposure guides taped to the back that gave you suggested exposures in different lighting conditions (sunny, cloudy, open shade, bright sun on sand and snow, etc.). I actually got good exposures and learned that it's the light that effects your desired metering reading - not your subject.

- Because of that experience, I can pick up a manual exposure camera and have it already set for the light without checking the meter. At worst, I might twiddle the aperture ring a half stop or so after looking at the meter; often I wouldn't because I knew the subject tonality was throwing off the meter. No exposure comp dials, no push and turn a dial. Fast. Faster than people who are in the habit of matrix metering, making a shot, checking a histogram, dialing in exposure comp, reshooting and iterating.

- My ability to do that works best at ISO 100 and 200, but that's where I do most of my shooting.

- Traditional controls made it incredibly easy to quickly get to desired settings. I could look down and immediately see if things were set correctly - no pushing the shutter release to turn on a display. If I was well off a desired setting, I could get there incredibly fast - faster than command and subcommand dials that go in increments of 1/3 stops.

- When I did adjust controls at eye level, that worked fine. I didn't need to lower the camera down to do it, just as I don't with newer cameras. I could see both aperture and shutter speed in the viewfinder of many of these cameras - no problem. The controls were comfortable and didn't force me to remove my eye from the viewfinder.

Again, it doesn't matter if you have the same preferences, background or shooting preferences. It doesn't matter if the above ever aligned with something you did. All that matters is that if there is someone who likes this style of shooting as an alternative to modern controls, then that's okay. BTW, I could just as easily rattle off why modern controls are great to someone disparaging them. There isn't a universal truth here, just like there rarely is in life. Even black and white film had shades of grey.

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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004Mon 04-Nov-13 09:54 AM
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#104. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
In response to Reply # 93


Wethersfield, US
          

>Jon, if you seek to understand someone else's viewpoint, do
>that. Saying they only care about nostalgia or implying
>they're confused doesn't promote understanding. It's trying
>to shut down a discussion rather than starting one.

The word I used was "habit." That's not disparaging, nor does it imply that anyone is confused. Habits are useful things. If we didn't have them, we'd have to think through every thing we do every time we did it! And if there are two ways of doing something that are equally effective, it makes perfect sense to prefer the one you have formed a habit of using. That does not by itself make that way better, which is what some are claiming for the "retro" way.

>- I learned to shoot KII slide film with a meterless camera
>when I was ten years old. I had one of the old style Kodak
>exposure guides taped to the back that gave you suggested
>exposures in different lighting conditions (sunny, cloudy,
>open shade, bright sun on sand and snow, etc.).

I well remember those guides. They came in every box of film back in the day, and I used them, too.

>- Traditional controls made it incredibly easy to quickly get
>to desired settings. I could look down and immediately see if
>things were set correctly - no pushing the shutter release to
>turn on a display. If I was well off a desired setting, I
>could get there incredibly fast - faster than command and
>subcommand dials that go in increments of 1/3 stops.

Fair enough. I get that, and I used to shoot that way too. Pretty much everyone I knew did. But I formed the habit (that bad word again!) of keeping mental track of what my camera was set to, a habit which is still with me although I confess I can't seem to keep track of ISO the way I do shutter and aperture. So I can still adjust settings pretty quickly because I know where I'm starting from.

>All that matters
>is that if there is someone who likes this style of shooting
>as an alternative to modern controls, then that's okay.

If everyone's personal preferences are to be accommodated, I fear that Nikon is going to have to make a lot more models!

>BTW, I could just as easily rattle off why modern controls are
>great to someone disparaging them.

I suspect this will be a recurring theme in the forums for a while when people solicit recommendations for cameras and some responses recommend the retro-style camera and some a new-style camera. So it's good to get in some practice.

-- Jon
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#106. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Paignton, GB
          

Jon,

This back-and-forth started when you posted "The more I hear about this thing, the more I think it's for people who are more interested in nostalgia than they are in taking photographs."

That certainly sounded disparaging to me, and (I suspect) to others.

Please understand that whilst we welcome debate on these issues, all of us must acknowledge others' preferences, and understand that these are usually based on real factors and not simply on "nostalgia".

I think it's time to move on from this debate now

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#107. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

>This back-and-forth started when you posted "The more I
>hear about this thing, the more I think it's for people who
>are more interested in nostalgia than they are in taking
>photographs."

Yes, but that was before some of the details were revealed (or rumored, anyway). It seems like much more of a modern camera now, regardless of the interface details.

>That certainly sounded disparaging to me, and (I suspect) to
>others.

Then I apologize. I don't mean to insult anyone.

>Please understand that whilst we welcome debate on these
>issues, all of us must acknowledge others' preferences, and
>understand that these are usually based on real factors and
>not simply on "nostalgia".

Nostalgia is a real factor, too. There are certainly things I like to do for nostalgia. I don't see anything wrong with that, and I wouldn't blame or denigrate anyone whose interest in this camera was partly based on nostalgia.

>I think it's time to move on from this debate now

That seems unlikely once the rumors solidify into fact. I suspect this debate will be ongoing in the various forums for a long time to come.

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#78. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

Isn't it great that Nikon will now be offering us choice. Cameras that suit the way you like to use them and now a camera that looks like it will suit the way I like to use them.
I know you like the scroll wheels to change shutter speed and aperture, but I'm just trying say that with a camera to my eye I can change these faster when a camera is more old school in design. It just feels more natural to me.
I hope you don't think I'm trying to be argumentative, as I'm enjoying reading your points of view.

  

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#85. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Wethersfield, US
          

Nathan, I have no problem with Nikon offering choices, and I'm not trying to convince anyone to like my preferred approach. I'm just struggling to understand why this particular choice is better for some people. I think "it just feels more natural" is probably the key.

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Nathan K Registered since 07th Jun 2013Sun 03-Nov-13 03:34 PM
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#87. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

Jon,
Yes I think that's it. I find myself sometimes having to pause with scroll wheels. Trying to remember which is for shutter speed and which is for aperture, and also having to remember which way to turn them. This is never a problem, for me, with cameras of an old school design. Maybe it's just muscle memory.

  

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#92. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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US
          

I reversed my command dials (via the custom Controls menu) because I shoot primarily aperture priority and I think about the rear dial as the "main dial".

For exposure, I "push" with finger or thumb to increase exposure (like pushing film exposure), and "pull" to decrease exposure. I found that helps to keep it all straight.

Although I like shooting old MF lenses with aperture rings for that nostalgic feel, personally I like the command wheel setup for fast action pressure shooting, and in general. But I understand why many would prefer the old system, especially those that were either late to modern electronic/digital bodies or still shoot film on classic bodies. Or those that just prefer it

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#91. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Paignton, GB
          

>I'm just struggling to understand why this
>particular choice is better for some people.

I think people have been trying to give you some reasons, Jon.

As one who uses both styles regularly - command dials on my Nikon DSLR's and shutter speed dial + aperture rings on my Fuji X-Pro1 - I think each has its strengths.

Even after 10+ years with a command dial system, sometimes I still find myself turning one the wrong way in the heat of the moment, and I also find that it can be a bit too easy to change a setting accidentally (though some Nikons do have a "lock" feature), but it's nice to have the controls under finger and thumb without changing my grip on the camera (by much).

With the "traditional" system, I can see at a glance what the camera is set to, even when it's turned off, and a good implementation of this system may well still offer shutter speed and aperture displays in the viewfinder. I also like the way the shutter speed dial needs a button press to unlock it (this is quite do-able with the camera to my eye), and I find the aperture ring falls naturally under the fingers of my left hand. Having one hand for aperture and one for shutter speed keeps things simple, though as with the other system I do find myself turning things the wrong way sometimes!

As everyone else seems to be saying, neither system is "right" or "wrong", but it seems unarguable that the aperture ring / shutter dial has been around for longer.

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#105. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
In response to Reply # 91


Wethersfield, US
          

>Even after 10+ years with a command dial system, sometimes I
>still find myself turning one the wrong way in the heat of the
>moment, and I also find that it can be a bit too easy to
>change a setting accidentally (though some Nikons do have a
>"lock" feature), but it's nice to have the controls
>under finger and thumb without changing my grip on the camera
>(by much).

The ease with which settings can be changed with the command dials is both a blessing and a curse, isn't it? One of the things I would ask Nikon for is the ability to lock either or both dials, even on the lower-end cameras. I'm not even asking for a button; a menu setting would be fine and easy to implement. So chalk up an advantage for "traditional" in that regard.

>Having one hand for aperture and one for
>shutter speed keeps things simple, though as with the other
>system I do find myself turning things the wrong way
>sometimes!

And in the MF days, you used your third hand for focus?

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#74. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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US
          

with Nikon F2, F3 and FM I never had to remove my eye from viewfinder to adjust either shutter speed or aperture.

  

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#75. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

Agreed... I've had (recently) the x100 and xe-1 and both of them i could use like you say

  

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#88. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Oakland, US
          

Surely it'll seem a bit strange if it has the old shutter speed knob on top, PLUS dual control dials back and front. What then of the supposed 'minimalist' design concept? It would then have more 'physical controls' than any current Nikon DSLR 8>)
In some ways I don't envy the designers of this camera, having to come up with a successful compromise!

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#89. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

Maybe one will be for ISO control and the other for aperture for when using modern lens that don't have a aperture ring?

  

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#90. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Dyserth, GB
          

Goodness, there's a lot of hypothosis here. Only 2 days left and we'll all know where all the knobs, buttons and wheels are and then the debate of "are they in the right place can begin

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#94. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Colorado Springs, US
          

Agree. At that point I hope people realize that there will still be different views on this subject and that's okay. Personally, I plan to look at it and then make my own decision. I don't need the internet telling me what to think. I don't subscribe to the Ken Rockwell model of "here's the truth, everyone who doesn't agree with it is stupid".

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#95. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Oakland, US
          

Reading about this is just entertainment for me, as I'm actually pretty happy with my D700.
I was sad to recently sell my last F3HP. But I can easily get another one - which is exactly what I'd do if I wanted to 'go truly retro' - and for a couple of hundred dollars, rather than a couple of thousand 8>)

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#96. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Lynchburg, US
          

From the last video I note that the much sought after AF-ON button is on this camera. If it has a reasonable buffer and an ISO performance in the same league as the rest of the current generation, it has my interest. If it sets a price point that makes it an unreasonable D300 replacement, it loses my interest.

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#102. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Alberta, CA
          

Nikon is in a unique position with their current FX sensors, so this is why I think the selection of the D4 sensor, if that is what it truly is, will be an important part of the total package of unique selling propositions for the DF camera. The DF will be the only non-$6,000-camera in Nikon's lineup with that sensor.

I'm a low light shooter, so the moment the D3S came out I was in absolute awe, even though I had the D700 already. Just prior to the time of the Tsunami, the D3S declined in price, very briefly, to $4,600 new here in Canada. I was seriously thinking of selling my D700 and pulling the pin on a D3S when the Tsunami hit and the D3S went out of stock worldwide. So after years of waiting, I wasn't going to wait any more and pre-ordered my D4. I was the first non-pro to obtain one locally and have been shooting it for 19 months now and it is a dream sensor. Meanwhile, I have made uses for all the other benefits of the D4 body, so I won't jump on a DF. But I find this sensor so well rounded and easy to post-process that I would jump on a DF without hesitation if I didn't have the D4 already (and yes I also shoot a D800E but it is not the same).

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#97. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Dyserth, GB
          

<<But I can easily get another one >>

I recently bought an Olympus OM2-SP + Zuiko 28mm f2.8 lens and a Nikon F100 for £150 ($225) + a Bronica ETRSi with a 70 & 50mm lens for £300($450). I am really enjoying top rate film cameras agin at such a price, they are all mint.

I enjoyed film and darkroom when younger, now digital and film together and I even develop my own B&W and slide films. How lucky we are to have the choice of either analog or digital, a situation that my parents never had. Just wish Fuji hadn't chosen now to inflate their Velvia and Provia prices, especially as analog photography is having a renaissance!

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MikeBee Gold Member Charter MemberMon 04-Nov-13 01:29 AM
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#103. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Stamford, US
          

If they are really trying to be retro, we'll get lenses with couplings on the aperture ringS. Now wouldn't that be fun!

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#108. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Mon 04-Nov-13 01:19 PM by Covey22

US
          

Well Nikon Rumors finally posted photos (supposedly) of the darn thing.

It looks like what I expected - an F with pretensions to autofocus. Does it appeal to a niche? Maybe. One with lined pockets certainly.

Not to my surprise, the bundled lens is a G, so Aperture is still controlled from the body. Specs yet to be determined, perhaps they will allow older lenses to control A directly.

Classic stack of the ISO and EV comp dials on the left where the rewind lever would be. It would take some muscle memory retraining to break the habit for those of us who have memorized where the dedicated ISO and EV buttons are on our current cameras, but it is retro.

Really really really crowded right side - not sure that LCD screen at the top is worth the amount of space it took up, but there was no other way to indicate to the user what Aperture the lens is set at other than to peer through the VF (likely) or call it up on the rear screen (still unknown). In any case, your index finger is going to get grooved hooking over that PASM dial after a while.

The lugs - why are they so far forward? This thing is going to lean backwards with a neck strap. Bizarre.

The front command dial ergonomics - ummm - no, I don't think so. I *like* the current two-dial setup on most DSLR bodies. That one is just strange.

Overall, interesting, but probably not for me. I'll take a D610 if and when I can afford it.

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#132. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Tue 05-Nov-13 12:05 AM by ZoneV

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>If they are really trying to be retro, we'll get lenses with
>couplings on the aperture ringS. Now wouldn't that be fun!

Nikon makes several AIS lenses that have these. Supposedly, D-type and AF-lenses can be retrofitted too; not sure that service is still offered.

It's not clear if this camera utilizes that mechanism though. (I doubt it.)

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#109. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Potomac, US
          

Nikon Rumors just posted photos of the DF. I have no idea whether or not these valid. However, let me say why I would buy this camera.

In addition to my D800 and about a dozen lenses, I bought a Fujifilm XE-1 to have a light weight, easy to travel with camera that is generally competent if not to the standard of the D800. In December I am getting married and will travel to Bermuda for five days and I am debating whether I really want to carry the D800 plus some assortment of lenses, or just take the Fujifilm that is much lighter and more compact. I picture myself riding on one of those scooters with my new wife behind me. Which camera will I carry?

The reason I would buy this camera is if it is just about as easy to carry as the Fujifilm, yet with all the Nikon sofware and basic operation that I am used to. I am attracted by the retro look, but would be more attracted by "travel ease."

With the success of the Fujifilm series, the Olympus OM series, and others, Nikon is clearly missing a market segment and this could fill that void.

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#110. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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If the pictures on NR are correct and #6 in the video set is official then the camera is beautiful and I would have one like a shot... it all depends on the cost of course... but I love the look...

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#111. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Mon 04-Nov-13 01:54 PM by KnightPhoto

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You are right Larry, now that you mention it, it should be a good little rig for travel.

My assumption is Nikon is deeply committed to the F-mount and we'll see continued iteration of smallish FX primes now such as an updated 24mm f/2.8 and 35mm f/2.

Nikon seems to be all in on their FX strategy.
And congrats by the way!

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#112. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Little Rock, US
          


>The reason I would buy this camera is if it is just about as
>easy to carry as the Fujifilm, yet with all the Nikon sofware
>and basic operation that I am used to. I am attracted by the
>retro look, but would be more attracted by "travel
>ease."

I would bet the weight is going to be between a D600 & D800. It must be all metal. I also notice it is made in Japan, not Thailand.

Anybody seen a price on this thing yet? I have a suspicion of it being expensive.


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#113. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

I saw on one site that they think it'll be priced somewhere between a d610 and a d800. But that's just them guessing.

I absolutely love the look of it. It's got all the dials I want. But I'll want to see/read how it performs before I jump on board.

  

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#115. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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I liked the idea of this camera when I first saw it. I have film cameras from my first Nikkormat FTn, purcheased in 1968 and still in working order. I recently pulled out my Nikon F100, loaded it up with film and used it along side my D800 and I will soon be comparing results. I have gone through a D100, D200, D300 (still in use) the D700 and last year D800. The D800 is FABULOUS but technique is vital for good results. I have toyed with other Nikon offerings, such as various Coolpix, Nikon Pronea 600 (remember the APS film!!) and the Nikon 1. As I travel a lot, I like to take a decent camera with me and while the D800 is wondeful, I was looking for something smaller, lighter but with a good sensor for low light. I though about the D600 and now the D610 but I am not convinced about the low light capability with the 24MP sensor. Now the Df emerges (or is about to emerge) with the excellent D4 16.9MP sensor. Here then is a smaller, lighter camera, retro looking (I can live with that, I look a bit retro myself) and a proven sensor in low light. I can live without video. In the absence of a decent upgrade from the D300 I think that this my be just what I am looking for. But then, the quest for the perfect camera never ends nor does NAS!!!

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ron917 Silver Member Nikonian since 14th Dec 2012Mon 04-Nov-13 02:36 PM
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#114. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Mon 04-Nov-13 02:37 PM by ron917

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No price yet, but Nikon Rumors has what appear to be complete, real images now. Looks like a good mix of old and new. Looks good in chrome.

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#116. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Dyserth, GB
          

It just doesn't fit any my needs at present. If I hadn't bought the D800, then maybe. Price...well anyone's guess, but I expect the UK launch price to be at least £2300 and I'm probably way under.

I think until they bring out a state of art APS-C inter-changeable lens mirrorless camera that meets a wildlife photographers I will sit on the fence and see how this all pans out. I must admit to going from excited to feeling rather deflated

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#117. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Richard

I agree.

This new thing looks 'nice' and 'interesting' but in no way could it be described as 'needed'.

Sure, they'll sell a few- maybe quite a few, and make some money but surely as a retro look item, it's going to have limited appeal?

The effort put into this cam, might have yielded the 24-36 mp pro quality DX camera that loads of folk are desperate to get!

But hey! What do I know? A-nothing!

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#118. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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I totally agree with you.

This thing's trying to look like something it's not, and that turns me off. The front of the prism housing screams 'FM', but in context, the effect seems faintly desperate, and even a bit silly.

The FM and F3, and my current D300 and D700, are by comparison unpretentious, 'form follows function' designs.

As you said, we're far more in need of a new full-fledged pro/action DX body.

A compact, pro-build FX body maybe I can see, but this supposed 'retro' look is a definite minus, the more I think about it.

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#119. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

Just been reading comments on a few other sites, and it seems that this is very much a marmite camera. Well I love marmite! Can't wait for tonight when the full specs come out.

  

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#120. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Mon 04-Nov-13 05:25 PM by richardd300

Dyserth, GB
          

Our own Darrell Young has just posted his thoughts and images of the new camera:

http://masteryournikon.com/2013/11/04/nikon-df-camera-is-coming-tonight-11042013/

Looks like the wait is over!

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#121. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Oakland, US
          


>I think until they bring out a state of art APS-C
>inter-changeable lens mirrorless camera that meets a wildlife
>photographers I will sit on the fence and see how this all
>pans out.

I must admit to going from excited to feeling rather
>deflated
>
>Richard
>

That's exactly how I feel. Time after time, Nikon seem stubbornly to be heading down the wrong road.

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#122. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Glenwood, US
          

A comment on NR rumors has a link to Amazon. It is listed at $2,750 for the body and $3,000 with the 1.8 lens, available Nov. 28. This leaves me out if true.

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#123. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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#124. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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the link doesn't work anymore...

I've attached a screen cap of what was there. Something feels funny though. Guess we'll know soon.

ah rumors :_)



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#125. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Dyserth, GB
          

Well, at least I got the price almost right! Guess UK price will be about £2300 as I said! It'll sell like hot cakes I'm sure

See Photography Life: http://photographylife.com/nikon-df-pictures-pricing#comments

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#127. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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GB
          

>Well, at least I got the price almost right! Guess UK price
>will be about £2300 as I said! It'll sell like hot cakes I'm
>sure
>
>See Photography Life:
>http://photographylife.com/nikon-df-pictures-pricing#comments
>
>Richard


Do you think it will cost the same as a d800e? That seems a bit high. I reckon between £1.8k and £2k would be closer to the mark. Pricing it between the d610 and d800e. But who knows. I guess we haven't got long to find out.

  

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#126. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Looks nice in chrome, @ USD$2.8K, not for me. Will be interesting to see how this sells and who they demographic and target market might be.

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#130. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Lynchburg, US
          

There is a lot left unanswered here but it doesn't look like any D300/D700 users will be getting excited by this camera. If I start taking in low light action work again, I will be forced to re evaluate my brand choices.

I recently had the opportunity to take my D7k out in those conditions and the buffer left me high and dry right in the middle. I had hoped to replace my D300 with the DF but the price will be an obstacle for me.

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#133. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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I spent 3 grand on my current camera, a D800, and I am liking it a lot more than the Df already. Not interested at this price.

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#134. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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US
          

From the views I have seen, I can only assume that the media card(s) are inserted from the bottom, which would make any kind of battery grip a tad inconvenient.

I think I'll save my cash for whenever Sigma decides to release their next (A) prime lenses or the price of the Df drops significantly, whichever come sfirst.


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#131. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Mon 04-Nov-13 11:45 PM by D2xer

Oakland, US
          

As an ex-F3HP user, I'd be a bit more interested if it looked, as was expected for awhile, like an F3 instead of an FM2 clone.

As I remember, the main claim to fame of the FM series, at the demise of the F2, was that the FM was the last of the fully-mechanical bodies. It was also cheaper, lighter, and slightly more compact.

After I graduated from FM bodies to F3HPs, I never looked back. The F3 was always to me a nicer camera - it was the top of the line pro-model, after all, and I think to most pros, the F/F2 ideal of being simple, and 'fully-mechanical', amounted to less and less in actual practice.

As the DF is, in this sense, as far from the functioning of an FM or FM2 as one can imagine (being 100% electronics-dependant) I see this so-called 'pure photography' FM look-a-like as more representative of 'pure sentimentality'.

It is awesome at getting people fired up to write about, though 8>)

I don't mean to sound too negative - with the D4 sensor and compact size, I'd have one in an instant, for the right price. For now, though, I'm pretty happy with my D300/D700 pair 8>)

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#135. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Perth, AU
          

I think its a very sexy looking beast, especially in silver.

It is not a body that will appeal to all. After all, what can make that claim to fame? It is however a great enthusiast camera, which is the market that Nikon was obviously aiming at. People who have early generation digital bodies, or perhaps those that still have film SLRs. And it will also appeal to people like me who think its sexy, has unique functionality, and can perform as well as a pro body in some areas.

As for price, well, it's a Nikon! You weren't expecting it to be cheap were you?

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#136. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Andover, NJ, US
          


>
>As for price, well, it's a Nikon! You weren't expecting it to
>be cheap were you?
>

I wasn't expecting cheap, but I also wasn't expecting $2750 for body only. It's out of consideration for me at that price.

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#137. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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US
          

Well, it's official now. And there is no special focusing screen. It's the same fixed screen as the D800/D600. So I guess you have to rely on the green dot electronic rangefinder for confirmation of focus.

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#138. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Potomac, US
          

OK, so it is official. As a marketing exercise I get it completely. It is definitely cool and I would love to have one just for the heck of it. But...

It is not an answer to travel. It is twice as heavy as my Fugifilm X-E1 and a lot bulkier, and I can't imagine under what circumstances it will produce better photography than my D800. $2800+ just for cool doesn't work for me.

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#139. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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US
          

Gordon Laing at Cameralabs managed to get his hands on a Df at a press event and just posted his impressions. He does not seem very enthusiastic about the camera.

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_Df/

  

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#140. "DF official announcement"
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See http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/df/index.htm

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#141. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Tue 05-Nov-13 05:06 AM by timpsm

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It does qualify as compact - It is exactly the same weight as a D7100 and a bit lighter than a D610. It is half an inch thinner than those as well (0.4" & 0.6").

It could be a half-price D4 - It has the sensor and Expeed3 so the pictures may be exceptional. We don't know yet about buffer I guess. The FPS is not super but okay. Don't know that the AF is any better than the others.

But seriously, it is $2,000 more than the D7100 and $1,000 more than the D610 so it is going to have to feel pretty super duper in the hand (and it just may). It does look sharp. But it can not give me the DX reach for bird shots (only 7MP DX crop) that I expect now. That's a lot of FX cameras recently. Surely new electronics are getting us closer to 8fps@24Mpixels.

tim

edit: found the buffer - on Nikon's website - 29 RAW FX shots

  

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Nathan K Registered since 07th Jun 2013Tue 05-Nov-13 05:05 AM
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#142. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Have some of the sites reporting on this camera got their prices right?
In the USA $2750 and in the uk £2750. If it is the case, I think I'll use the $1400 difference and take a holiday in the US and buy one there.

  

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Nathan K Registered since 07th Jun 2013Tue 05-Nov-13 05:11 AM
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#143. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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All the specs are up on the nikon site. I only glanced over the bit about the buffer, as I only ever use single shot mode. But I think it said 100 (not sure on the bit or if it was compressed or not) and well over 100 for JPEG.

  

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timpsm Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Sep 2010Tue 05-Nov-13 05:22 AM
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#144. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Yes, the buffer is fine. I couldn't find it in their 8 page PDF but it is on the web-pages. Yes, it was nearly 100 for 7Mpixel DX crops.

I wouldn't book your plane ticket yet, it doesn't seem likely that the price in pounds is equal to the price in dollars, surely those days are long gone.

tim

  

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Nathan K Registered since 07th Jun 2013Tue 05-Nov-13 05:36 AM
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#145. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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The price in dollars seems to be consistent all over the web. On the two sites I've seen that had the price in pounds both said the same, £2750, and one mentioned €3300. That's why I questioned it. Yes, I expect it to be cheaper in the US, I wouldn't have thought by that much. No one would buy them in Europe. They'll do as I suggest and get a holiday out of it for the same price

  

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timpsm Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Sep 2010Tue 05-Nov-13 05:56 AM
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#146. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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My daughter is working in London right now and can't believe the cost of living (of course that IS London).

If the feel is as good as the look (although I am not totally sold on the look, I like the buttons & command dials of my D300s) then $2,500 may be a fair price since the photo quality is likely exceptional in marginal light conditions (such as shooting wildlife in winter when it is always cloudy or dusk) BUT I am bummed that it is yet another not-the-D400 release even though I knew that going in. Ah well, to bed.

tim

  

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Tue 05-Nov-13 06:01 AM
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#147. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Tue 05-Nov-13 06:03 AM by richardd300

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<<No one would buy them in Europe.>>

You'd be surprised, there are serial sufferers of NAS in both the UK and continental Europe. Despite the down turn there's loads of Money too. The price for us as predicted and based on the D800 will take about a year to drop to sub £2K. If this had been 12 months ago I could have been seriously tempted, but apart from weight, the convenience of external controls and street appeal it's to me basically just shaved down D4 or D800 in a party dress. It certainly an eye catcher, but let's see if it has substance.

I wonder what Nikon will dream up next. Something for the DX crowd one would hope.

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SVA Registered since 26th Jun 2004Tue 05-Nov-13 07:14 AM
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#148. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Nice toy. But why 16 MP? I wish it has D800e sensor at least!

Vladimir
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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Tue 05-Nov-13 07:28 AM
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#149. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Tue 05-Nov-13 07:39 AM by richardd300

Dyserth, GB
          

It's got to be worth buying, it is available with an optional special edition 50mm f1.8 lens. That'll make folks flock to the shops I'm sure.

A serious comment, if 16Mp is good enough for the D4 then one can still print large images, then for those who are excited about it it will do what they want. Of course, the downside is that if one uses the x1.5 crop the image size is down to around 7mP. Not much more than the D700 was. Can't see many using that facility.

Another major point and I've never used video on my Nikons, but surely if ever a camera was launched that cries out for it then this has to be the one. Of course video isn't retro, but I feel sorry for those who enjoy using it.

My price was wrong, the Uk price with the 50mm lens is, wait for it, wait for it £2740!

Who feels Nikon has let them down? I do!

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BullockBob666 Registered since 12th Dec 2012Tue 05-Nov-13 08:24 AM
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#150. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Perth, AU
          

Has nikon let "us" down? Not me.

I really don't understand what people were hoping for, except everyone wanted something that was slightly different to the next person, so it is next to impossible to reach the ultimate goal of a camera to suit all.

If anything, I guess a replacement to the D4 would've been the best one could hope for, but I'm sure it's coming as well.

But this isn't a replacement (or upgrade) for anything. It's about as new a concept in digital SLRs as you will find.

I hope Nikon sells heaps, so that they can continue to develop this new line of bodies.

It's all about the light

  

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Tue 05-Nov-13 08:31 AM
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#151. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Dyserth, GB
          

<<But this isn't a replacement (or upgrade) for anything. It's about as new a concept in digital SLRs as you will find>>

Sorry, but I disagree. This smacks of jumping on a retro bandwagon with a severe price tag. I see this as nothing more than a dSLR squeezed into a smaller body. As I've said, why no video even the D4 has that. The concept in my view is more about style, not about substance.

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briantilley Moderator Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003Tue 05-Nov-13 08:40 AM
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#152. "RE: upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera?"
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Paignton, GB
          

The debate may now switch to our brand-new Nikon Df Forum

Brian
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