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Ferguson Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Wed 24-Jul-13 08:29 PM
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"Printing for niche on sheetrock wall"


Cape Coral, US
          


I have no idea what forum this should go in, but here goes...

We have a niche that's about 4" deep and almost 6' tall and about 2.5' wide, with an arch on top.

We've been thinking about putting a print from a photograph in it, like a tall waterfall. The lighting for the niche is such that anything with real depth is not well lit, so a relatively flat print (or painting) may be good.

Has anyone ever done this? Would you get a unmounted canvas and cut and put it up with maybe a spray-on adhesive? Or something else, some kind of special paper/material?

And on a distantly related subject -- if you're going to print for this situation, would the lighting temperature for display change how you adjust the color balance of the print?

Linwood

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tfeazel Silver Member Nikonian since 12th Sep 2004Wed 24-Jul-13 09:03 PM
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Polk City, US
          

I'm an architect as well as a Nikonian, and it sounds like you have an opportunity to do something very interesting here. If I knew more about the space, I could probably be a little more helpful.
What is the context of this niche?
What type of space is it? Living room? Hallway?
What type of lighting? Lots of windows? Fluorescent? Incandescent?
Can you get a wide angle photo of the location?

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Ferguson Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Wed 24-Jul-13 09:20 PM
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Cape Coral, US
          

I'd love advice.

It's a niche to the left of the main entrance to an open great-room style arrangement, as you walk past the kitchen is on the left and living area beyond; you'll be facing a grand piano in front about 15' beyond, and a dining area to your right in a semi-enclosed area, if you are standing in the entrance with the niche to your left.

Daytime there is a lot of light through a door half-moon window above and a window about 8' to the opposite side. The niche is lit from above by a small low voltage incandescent light (it shows a bit in this shot).



The second image is from standing in the door looking in (quick and dirty shot, no processing, and ignore the mess we just got back from vacation).



Edit: This second shot is very wide angle, about 14mm, so the sizing is a bit exaggerated for the niche.

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tfeazel Silver Member Nikonian since 12th Sep 2004Thu 25-Jul-13 01:14 PM
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Thu 25-Jul-13 01:36 PM by tfeazel

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there are numerous good suggestions here, and all are pertinent.

from a design standpoint, a few things need to be investigated. it appears that the niche is rather shallow, and the light inside the niche needs to be utilized in a way that will enhance the contents of the niche as opposed to throwing distracting shadows over it.

there are a couple of different approaches that may be taken in this regard:

Number one; keep the contents of the niche flat against the wall or very thin, so that the light from the fixture will not cast distracting shadows.

number two; use the niche to house something that is shallowly three-dimensional (bas-relief) as a wall hanging/sculpture. in this case, wall coverings as suggested by other correspondents, may be used as a background.

I favor the number two option, because it will produce a very dramatic result. the light shining down from the top will emphasize the three-dimensional aspect of whatever is put in the niche, by casting shadows across the object.

Color selections should be with regard to the effect produced by the light shining down on the object, remembering that the shadowing from the light will enhance the prominence of the object that is in the niche. a monochrome ( white or off-white) object can be very dramatic.

If the niche were deeper, a very three-dimensional object could be used, but the shallowness of the niche restricts selection of the object. i would look for a bas-relief.

if you are particularly fond of the artwork that is currently hanging in the niche, it's possible that it could be used without its current frame. A frame that doesn't stick out so much from the wall might be used to better effect.

depending on the manufacturer of the light fixture, there may be baffles designed for use as a "wall washer" to help with the dispersion of light, although that type of fixture is usually mounted further from the wall. The fixture may be re-lamped with a spot or flood to produce a stronger, more directional light, or the fixture may be equipped with a dimmer for better control of the light. (the dimmer control should be located remote from the niche).

If this is important for your home, and it looks like it is, you should spend the time to investigate what other people have done. look carefully at museum displays, retail store displays, and other places where professionals have designed features like yours. steal shamelessly ( ideas).

hope this helps. there are literally thousands of ways that an attractive feature such as this one can be used. i've only given you a couple of ideas here.

good luck with it.

Tom

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Ferguson Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Thu 25-Jul-13 01:30 PM
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#11. "RE: Printing for niche on sheetrock wall"
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Cape Coral, US
          

>if you are particularly fond of the artwork that is currently
>hanging in the niche,

Nope, something cheap from a flea market that had good proportions.

>hope this helps. there are literally thousands of ways that an
>attractive feature such as this one can be used. i've only
>given you a couple of ideas here.

Thank you. Will digest. Been reviewing waterfall scenes with my wife, we might pick one, might procrastinate, but regardless I'm off on a trip for almost a month so it will need to wait a bit. Thanks (everyone) for the suggestions. More welcomed.


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Omaha Registered since 07th Jan 2012Thu 25-Jul-13 01:32 AM
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Omaha, US
          

There are companies that will custom print wallpaper, and I think that might be a good option here.

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Ferguson Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Thu 25-Jul-13 02:11 AM
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Cape Coral, US
          

>There are companies that will custom print wallpaper, and I
>think that might be a good option here.

I guess I should have googled first - yes, I see some. And not all that pricy. That's better than a canvas print you think?

Example picked at random: http://www.megaprint.com/wallpaper.php


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Omaha Registered since 07th Jan 2012Thu 25-Jul-13 02:52 AM
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Omaha, US
          

This isn't my area (I do a lot of commercial printing, but never a job like this) but this has "specialist" written all over it. In sure people in the business have a lot of experience with issues of durability, ease of install, different textures and finishes, etc.

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esantos Moderator Nikonians Resources Writer. Recognized for his outstanding reviews on printers and printing articles. Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas, including Landscape Photography Awarded for his extraordinary accomplishments in Landscape Photography. His work has been exhibited at the Smithsonian. Nikonian since 10th Nov 2002Thu 25-Jul-13 02:24 AM
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McAllen, US
          

Since you say that wall gets a lot of sunlight in the morning you might have problems with fading using typical aqueous pigment inks. Your best option would be a solvent ink based print. If you do use aqueous based inks on canvas I would definitely coat it with a water based laminate to reduce the chance of fading, scratching, and staining. Then I would think standard wallpaper adhesive would work to attach it to the wall.

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Ferguson Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Thu 25-Jul-13 01:32 PM
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Cape Coral, US
          

>Since you say that wall gets a lot of sunlight in the morning
>you might have problems with fading using typical aqueous
>pigment inks. Your best option would be a solvent ink based
>print. If you do use aqueous based inks on canvas I would
>definitely coat it with a water based laminate to reduce the
>chance of fading, scratching, and staining. Then I would think
>standard wallpaper adhesive would work to attach it to the
>wall.

I'm really sorry and maybe I need to be googling a bit before asking but I really don't know how to make this actionable. Are these inks used in particular types of products, e.g. should I say those words to someone producing a canvas print, or should this translate into ordering a specific type of custom wall covering?

Linwood

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Well, that is hard to say since there are professional printers out there that aren't that knowledgeable about the technology they have in their print shops. I would investigate print shops that either do large volume and have a lot of experience or a smaller shop that specializes in custom printing and customer service. Stay away from "shade tree" printing shops.

Aqueous pigment inks are what are generally used for standard inkjet based photo prints. From the small desktop printers to the large stand alone wide format printers. Aqueous pigment inks are water-based and use pigment particles that are resistant to fading as opposed to water-based dye inks. Epson has their Ultrachrome and HDR inks and Canon has their LUCIA pigment inks. As I mentioned in my other post you really should consider laminating these types of prints if you plan to use canvas where the medium is exposed. When framed behind glass it is not necessary. And by laminate I don't necessarily mean applying a sheet of clear polycarbonate with heat, I mean the application of a liquid laminate (water based is best) with either a sprayer (preferred) or a paint roller.

Solvent inks are much more resistant to fading and extended exposure to direct sunlight. Think of those colorful outdoor banners, convention signage, and vehicle wraps used by businesses. Solvent printers usually don't have the expanded color gamut of pigment ink printers but the newer models have improved quite a bit and can probably produce very nice detailed photographs.

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Ferguson Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004Thu 25-Jul-13 07:42 PM
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#16. "RE: Printing for niche on sheetrock wall"
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Cape Coral, US
          

Re inks: Got it. Thanks.

Linwood

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Lake Elmo, US
          

The lab I use now prints photos on thin pieces of bright aluminum. These can be mounted or even hung by two holes in the top. This would be very unique and look sensational I think if you had say a waterfall printed like this and hung it in your niche. . I am not sure of the sizes available but I'd bet they can do most anything custom you'd need.

  

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Arlington, US
          

I have a few of those (bought at http://adoramapix.com ), and I'm very happy with them. Take a look, I don't think they do custom sizes, but they do have a lot of options. Looks like the longest option is 3:2, though.

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US
          

I'd at least try a contrasty black and white print in that space.

Put behind UV protective glass, you could have a very shallow frame, have a display that really jumps out, and is immune to the morning sun.

  

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You might consider a photo mounted on slate or wood, as discussed in

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#18. "RE: Printing for niche on sheetrock wall"
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Sun 28-Jul-13 11:21 PM by hujiie

US
          

I see so many ways to represent the photos. One of the most obvious is the same as what you have, framed photo printed on paper with glass mount. Or print a photo image on non porous substrates (hard surface) of metal, glass, plexiglass, wood, ceramic, PVC, paper etc. Or it can be porous substrates of textiles including silk, cotton, cotton canvas, polyester and nylon to stretch on canvas frame.

In terms of types of the inks, there are (1) aqueous, (2) solvent and (3) UV. All can be perfectly light-fast, if it printed properly with right chemistry. Typically here are some examples:

Metal, glass, plastic, plexiglass, wood, ceramic, specially coated fine art canvas – UV ink printed by flatbed UV printer
PVC, plastic film, specially coated fine art canvas – Solvent printer (including Eco solvent) but it can smell sometimes.
Polyester / Nylon fabrics – Aqueous disperse dye ink for Sublimation transfer / Dye sublimation
Silk, wool (protein fiber) – Aqueous acid dye ink (post treated by steaming and washing)
Cotton, Linen (cellulose fiber) - Aqueous reactive dye ink (pretreated with alkali and post treated by steaming and washing)

Photopaper – archival photo ink (Epson UltraChrome K3, etc)

We have the Center for Excellence of Surface Imaging at Philadelphia University and if you have any questions of printing, we can answer all.



PS

This is an interesting site for printing large scale waterfall photo on fabrics.
http://petapixel.com/2013/06/27/how-i-created-a-four-story-tall-print-of-one-of-my-photographs/





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