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Clyde57 Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Sep 2007Fri 17-May-13 07:54 PM
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"Am I saying this right?"


Punta Gorda, US
          

Let me start by saying that I don't have much face to face interaction with people who have the same level of knowledge or interest in photography and cameras that I have. Most of the information I get now is from Nikonians and other sources that I read.

So, while I'm sitting here thinking about Nikon cameras, I'm wondering if I'm saying the model names correctly since I haven't heard anyone say those names - only read them.

I have a D300 and have always pronounced it "d three hundred" which we'll assume is correct. I've been pronouncing the D300s as "d three hundred ess" or is it "d three hundreds"? And then I've assumed that the D7000 is "d seven thousand", but is the D7100 "d seven thousand one hundred" or "d seventy one hundred"? And so on.

Life would be easier if the cameras had names rather than numbers - or would it? What's the right way to pronounce Nikon?

Does any of this matter?

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I have found that in English speaking Europe they pronounce it Nee-kone. In the United States I always hear people say Nigh-con. In Spanish it is also Nee-kone from what I have heard. Does it matter? If you are buying probably not, if you are selling try to pronounce it so the customer doesn't think you are a hack.

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Tacoma, US
          

And it is Dee seventy-one hundred.

The rest is right.

Pohtaatoe pohtahtoe...

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It's also pronounced Nick-un in many parts of the English-speaking world. Words vary in their pronunciation or usage depending on where you are in the world. When you pronouncing them differently than the standard in your dialect or language, it can start sounding artificial and affected. The same holds true with "Nikon". In other words, don't worry about it too much.

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Actually it's Nick-on not Nick-un... and it is the dee seven thousand one hundred...

and it doesn't matter one bit...

seeing as we invented the English language (the clue is in the name) then we on this side of the pond have it right all the time, the rest of you only get it right occasionally when you copy us...

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Pond?

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Hi Alex,

Like what you are saying.

I say Nick on (Nickon)...but its Nikon,

Ive heard a lot of Nike on doesnt really worry me too much although I have often wondered whats 'correct'

I have a Dee seven thousand which has been replaced by the Dee Seven one hundred...and its great

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>What's the right way to pronounce
>Nikon?

In the 1930ies, Zeiss-Ikon was a highly regarded German camera. Carl Zeiss was one of the first makers of scientifically designed lenses and Ikon (EEkon) is the the Greek word for "inage". The Japanese wanted to compete with the Zeiss Ikon camera and named their product Nikon, short for Nipponese Ikon, since they obviously could not use the name of Carl Zeiss.

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Japanese pronunciation is "Nick-on" and I hear it in the several different countries except for US.

Nikon is started as "Nihon Koh-gaku" (Japan Optics), that becomes "Nick-on".

Canon, on the other hand, was named after "Kan non" (a type of buddha).

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Powder Springs, US
          

I have read where "nick" is really pronounced by an assimilated "knee-ick". True?

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Scott:

In Japanese, it literally "nick on" . Try this http://www.forvo.com/word/nikon/

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Thank you Hitoshi! That's a great site.

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This is a scan from an Asahi Shinbum ad around 1935



And here a link to Canon's site where the Kwanon name is used for its first camera

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Here in Eastern Europe it sounds like "nee-kon" and no one can figure out what a "Nigh-kon is. When I go back home for more than a few days, the first few days no one can figure out what this "nee-kon" is that I am talking about. It is interesting that such similar sounding words baffle people who seem to understand that a camera is being discussed, not which if a long or short "i" sound is used.
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Nikon is a name and the right way to pronounce any name is to pronounce it the way the owner of the name pronounces it. We may not get it right all the the time, but we can at least try!!

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Powder Springs, US
          

That's why I have a hard time with the history channel. The way they slaughter the pronunciation of German and Japanese names hurts my ears.

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Colorado Springs, US
          

I agree in spirit, but that's not the way languages generally work. If I start referring to Finland as Suomi, I'm going to get strange reactions from most English-speaking people. There's a practical dimension with all of this where larger conventions overcome anything discussed in this forum.

BTW, what I hear in the recorded pronunciations of Nikon by Japanese native speakers (what was linked above) is not Nick-On, but Nee-kone, which is what I've assumed in the past. Phonetical spellings are tricky things because they're only useful in one dialect. You have to use more sophisticated representations of the sounds (IPA) to really get them right.

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US
          

I believe that when in Rome, it's best to do as the Romans do.

And try to talk like them, too

If you went around the USA saying "Nee Kon", half the people would not know what you were talking about and the other half would waste time trying to correct you.

Isn't the correct pronunciation the one that is best understood and least argued about?

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Powder Springs, US
          

Neil,

Absolutely true, but our ears can still hurt

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US
          

>> Absolutely true, but our ears can still hurt

Get used to it. Around these parts it's Nigh-Kon.

And stop watching all that History Channel!

- !!!!!

(this seems to be about an annual thread )

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Powder Springs, US
          


>And stop watching all that History Channel!

And miss Pawn Stars????

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Lol

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Mission Viejo, US
          

Wow, this started out about the numbering nomenclature but it looks like we’re all on the same page on that one. As far as the brand name goes… I’ve been calling it Nigh-Con since One thousand, Nine hundred and Seventy-Seven.

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Get this.

My name is Hitoshi and it is Japanese. When I tell ones in the US, I say "He told she". Not to mention my last name of "Ujiie" as UGA (The University of Georgia), where I got MFA.

It sounds good enough.

In past, some said "Sushi" then I said your name is McDonald....

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Powder Springs, US
          

Wow,

I would have guessed:

He-tow-she Ooo-gee-ah with absolutely no accents.

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Netanya, IL
          

I, too, had been puzzled by the correct pronunciation of "Nikon" so I asked an American friend, a Canon shooter who was visiting Japan, to go into a couple of camera shops and ask about "Nikon".

He emailed me: The company's name is "knee-kon" NOT "nigh-kon"!

One wonders if it is only speakers of American who try to impose their pronunciation on the world?

Nathan

  

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Nathan,
It is not an imposition.
It is a difficulty for the monolingual to process foreign sounds.
And by foreign I mean, those sounds not used in our own language or heard very infrequently and when we are not really paying attention.

So foreign names, their pronunciation and true meaning is always subject to the interpretation of the foreigner who may later further disseminate it in their own turf.
And when it becomes a custom it is law in that region.

Take for example the Arabic term 'Sahara'
It means desert.
So to say the "Sahara desert" is an involuntary pleonasm by the Colonial British Empire and the French Foreign Legion.

In Australia, someone asked an aboriginal "What is that animal named" and the answer was "gangurru".
The inquirer said "I got it! Kangaroo it is!"
And that was the then Lieutenant James Cook, a British subject.

In Mexico, Cancun is not even Mayan. A Spaniard asked a native what the place was called and his answer was "Can cun"; which meant "I am not from here".
Yet, as the name stuck, it was later 'idealized' to mean "Place of the Gold Snake", of 'possible' Mayan origin.

In Japan the "R" has a very different sound, closer to "L" than to our "hard" R. And the "L" sounds closer to a soft "R" than to our plain "L" So I am called over there: "Lamon Paracios" instead of Ramon Palacios.

German is extremely hard for me, almost impossible, because of the very very different sounds of vowels, compared to Spanish, Italian, or Portuguese and even Japanese.

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#29. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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Netanya, IL
          

Point taken - and not only in Japanese.

When in Thailand some years back, we were offered "flied lice" for dinner at our "guess how" (guest house).

But, somewhere down the line, I have this strong feeling that proper names should, within the speaker's phonetic possibilities, be pronounced as closely as possible to the way the owner of said name would pronounce it. Hence knee-kon. Is there anywhere, other than where American is spoken, that it is pronounced differently?

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#32. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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>> But, somewhere down the line, I have this strong feeling that proper names should, within the speaker's phonetic possibilities, be pronounced as closely as possible to the way the owner of said name would pronounce it.

It is pronounced, in the USA, consistently with many similarly spelled words. Nitrate, night, kite...

"Nikon" is a brand name, and the English spelling was chosen by Nikon Corporate, not "us". I would argue that if they wanted it pronounced "knee-kon", they should have spelled their brand that way. And given the peculiarities of English language, they would have had several choices... Kneekon, Neekon...

And given further peculiarities of our language, it could as easily been pronounced similar to nickel. Pronunciations of words starting with "Ni", but pronounced "nee" are rare exceptions.

The fact that the USA pronounces it differently than other countries of British origin is not unique. We would have a long thread indeed if we got into a discussion of all the different USA/British pronunciations of various words in our language. And when we were done with that, we would have to dissect all those very different Australian pronunciations

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walkerr Administrator Awarded for his con tributed articles published at the Resources Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in multiple areas Nikonian since 05th May 2002Wed 29-May-13 12:21 PM
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#33. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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Yes, most of the English speaking world pronounces it differently than it's pronounced in Japan and differently than in the US. Where it's pronounced more similarly to Japanese is also where the standard vowel sounds more closely align with the Japanese pronunciation (although they're still subtly different).

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Nathan,
Not to my knowledge. Although drawn from a small sample of UK members with whom I have conversed, they say Nikon as it is pronounced in Japan or very close.
However, we must remember than in Europe, nations been so small in territory makes them very close to one another.
So they are used to different languages at a very early age.
It is not uncommon for Europeans to speak at least three languages at a tender age.
This in turn leads to further train a musical ear or improve mimics and stimulate imagination.

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>It is a difficulty for the monolingual to process foreign
>sounds.

So very very true.

Although, for whatever reason, Americans tend to pronounce Hispanic names properly, so why not German, Japanese, French and such....just sayin

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#63. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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Well, "no problemo" instead of "no hay problema" ....?
I have been called Mr. Pal-a-key-oz and not infrequently.
Italians are "Eye-talians" in most of the USA.
But it is the same for us Spanish talkers, we tend to pronounce very differently so many words.... like when 'when' becomes 'Who-en' for us.

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Yes, and though I am mostly of English descent, most will pronounce my name as Chap'-in, when it is Chay'-pin. Seems they've never heard of Harry Chapin or Mary Chapin Carpenter.

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But the song would not have sounded the same if Paul Simon sang it as "I've got a kneeeee--khon camera..."

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Poor me. I was not paying attention. I always thought he said it right

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#30. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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NL
          

Here's what's far more relevant to me. I'd like to "do as the Romans do" when I'm out and about bragging on us:

How do YOU pronounce "Nikonians"?

?????

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That's a no-brainer! knee-kon-i-ans - could there be any other way?

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Actually D7100 is pronounced "VIIC" at least if you are a Roman!

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>Actually D7100 is pronounced "VIIC" at least if you
>are a Roman!

Now that is the best post in the thread.

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>Yet it's formally pronounced "Nih-KONE-ians"

Are you saying nigh-KONE-ians, nick-KONE-ians, or knee-KONE-ians?

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That would be nigh (as in high) -- Cone as in ice cream cone -- ians (as in Indians.

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#39. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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Thanks Tom! So I'm going to have to correct my pronunciation …

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#41. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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Posted like a true Quebecois!
Don't all or most languages have such idiosyncrasies?

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Montrιal, (Qc), CA
          

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YES THEY DO!

I even have one somewhere for German and two others for French!

But this forum is in English…

Although a proud Quιbιcois, I laugh, and cry sometimes, it
three languages! And on my bιret is a Maple Leaf, not a Fleur de Lys!

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#43. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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Try a Semitic language or two - they don't write vowels as a rule and that is a total recipe for misreadings.

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Sorry Nathan =)

… but those three languages are very demanding already,
and I'm afraid I don't have the brains for more…


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Don't under-price itself! I'm told that the more languages one knows, the easier it becomes to learn another. Three languages is quite respectable.

Just consider how many bilingual and trilingual retirees have managed to learn Nikonese.

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Back in 1920 or so a guy wrote a poem to help his Dutch pupils learn to speak better English. Good Luck!!!

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Kφstlisch! Savoureux! Delicious!

Thank you LaDonna,


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German, Dutch and Hebraic! (I do not know, though I recognize the characters, if this is the right name for it! Please tell me…)

Trilingual! Groovy!

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NL
          

Hebrew. I spent a while studying Biblical Theology.

I should be able to respond in Greek as well, but I wasn't paying nearly enough attention during Greek. I don't remember anything beyond the alphabet.

(Here's hoping my Greek professor hasn't become a Nigh-KONE-ian in the meantime … )

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Montrιal, (Qc), CA
          

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What is the difference between hebraic and hebrew?

I am guessing right that one is the adjective of the other?

Are you trying to hide something?
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NL
          

Hebrew and Hebraic (both with capital letters I think) are both adjectives, like German and Germanic. Like the word "German," "Hebrew" also does duty as a noun referring to the language.

Am I trying to "high" something?

???

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TY,

…just corrected my previous post



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#60. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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NL
          

>Are you trying to hide something?
>(Here's hoping my Greek professor hasn't become a
>Nigh-KONE-ian in the meantime … )


The small letters are how I "whisper" in the forum.

I know, I know, silly, but sometimes I'm feeling silly.

"Nigh-KONE-ian" is to let you know how I'm pronouncing it. Also very silly. It's getting way past my bedtime …

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#52. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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Netanya, IL
          

I am reminded of the story of the two older women on the upper deck on a London bus. One is telling the other of all her woes. The other nods sagaciously and then, after a while, says: "Be philosophical about it, dearie. Don't give it a thought!"

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#50. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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US
          

What about this?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2009/01/how-to-say-iraq/

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By MIKE GUDGELL, ABC News, Baghdad Bureau Chief I’m not a linguist. I’m not very good with languages. I have to admit, I’m still working on English. I can ask a question in French, but sadly, I rarely understand the answer. I do know some important Spanish phrases, including how to order a beer and ask for directions to the bathroom. One is useless without the other. If I had one wish it would to be able to speak several languages.(Wish No. 2 would be able to sing on key.) I’ve tried to learn Arabic. Not being able to speak to the Iraqi staff has limited my ability to learn about their lives, and it has been an obstacle to covering the war. I suspect I’m like many of you. (Apologies to those who CAN sing on key) But at least I know how to say "Iraq." If you are not sure whether it’s "EYE-RAK" or "e-RAK," well, it’s not your fault. It’s neither. Actually, it’s "ae-rock." The Arabic language has its own alphabet, and there are a few letters and sounds that just don’t exist in English. One of the most impish tricksters is the letter "ein" or "ayn." It is a unique combination of a soft "a" and a soft "e" together. It’s sounds like "ae" but goes deep into the neck and comes out as a throaty, constricted sound. There’s some risk in trying for the "ein." If you pronounce it with a hard "E" you are going to mean "fighting" or "E-RAK." If you say it with a soft "a" like the "a" in a-round, you’ll be asking for fermented palm syrup, or "ah-Rak." If you drink that stuff the chances of pronouncing Iraq will be lost for hours. You have to be careful not to focus just on "ein." If you don’t hit the rest of the word, you’ll turn "ah-Rak" into "ah-RAQ", which means sweat which could be accurate if you drank too much ah-Rak). The military here has some of the worst offenders. I still cringe when I hear a Southerner who is used to hitting the vowels hard give a speech and talk about "a historic day in EYE-RACK." The origins of "Iraq" are not clear, and the meaning of the word is the subject of scholarly debate. The top contender is a variation on the name of an ancient Sumerian City, Uruk. The favorite of many here is that Iraq is a form of the Arabic word for "many races." The combination has a certain irony in these modern times: Iraq — an ancient nation of many races. So if you hear someone talk about "Eye Rackees," the first thing you should know is that they are more like us than you’d think. They certainly have a well-developed sense of hospitality. I’ve never heard anyone correct Americans for mispronouncing the name of their country. The second thing you should know is they’d probably appreciate being called "ae-rock-ies." They have another word I like, "Khalis." It’s pronounced with a soft "k" and an airy "h," almost like "holis." It has a powerful combination of meanings — done, finished, completed, gone, etc. Let’s start working on that one.

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Ginsbury Gold Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2008Thu 30-May-13 05:51 AM
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#51. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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Memories, memories! The mention of the letter "ayin" reminds me of the first time I came across it, in my student days in the early 1960s, in what must have been the driest book I have ever had the misfortune to hold in my hand, a book on Biblical Aramaic Grammar. The only memorable line in the whole thing was the author's description of the said letter as "the sound of a camel vomiting".
Nathan

  

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ZoneV Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2005Fri 31-May-13 12:42 AM
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#61. "RE: Am I saying this right?"
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I remember back in the day getting a shock when I heard "Nikkor" pronounced "Nick-kor", and N8008s as "En-ate-Double-Oh-ate-Ess" by official Nikon propaganda.

So anything is possible.

An undeniable paradox: To think that there is any such thing as an absolute rule is at worst naοve, and at best, shortsighted. There is no such thing as an always-true, all context- or situation-salient, absolute rule that always holds true…including this one!

  

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snegron Silver Member Nikonian since 05th May 2007Fri 31-May-13 01:34 AM
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Two authorities pronounce it "Nigh-kon" ; Paul Simon and Ashton Kutcher.

  

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