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largebore Silver Member  Clarks Summit, US  Nikonian since 17th Jan 2011 Mon 25-Feb-13 03:27 PM
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"WHAT I REALLY WANT"



Interesting how every new camera has to do everything better than the last one for every need. Thus the camera becomes more expensive because it must be have the fastest fps, the largest sensor, the highest resolution, the highest iso, the best ergonomics etc etc.

Maybe camera bodies do not need to be so expensive if they are tailored for the job at hand and like lenses you had more than one body.

As example, I shoot fast paced sports as well as do studio work..

So for the studio I use a tripod, I do not care how the camera feels in my hands, I do not need the most advanced auto focus with the most sensor points, infact I can do without auto focus completly, do not really need auto metering and modes like aperature priority etc because i shoot in manual. I do not need sophisticated computer systems for great jpegs as I shoot raw.

So how about a D800E sensor in any body with a 10 pin connector and none of the other bells and whistles?

Then for sports, a nice dx that is ultra fast etc etc.

We buy lens specificaly for our shooting needs, why not bodies ?

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Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT jules
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Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014
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     Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT jules
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Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014
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Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT Chris Platt Silver Member
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Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas
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     Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas
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          Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014
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Reply message RE: WHAT I REALLY WANT ZoneV Silver Member
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jules   UK  Basic Member Mon 25-Feb-13 04:01 PM
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Hmm, why do you want the ten pin connector soo much? I've always found it a total cludge, USB/HDMI seems better to me after all it's just a connector? For studio I'd want the most up to date one to give me all the release/trigger and timing options I could get, whether via a remote or a PC, for indoor and outdoor sports too...

Nikon make their toys to appeal to the maximum people in a price segment determined by their own team, as far as they are concerned you just turn off/don't use the features you don't want (Me Video!).

I too do miss my FM2n, things seemed a lot more simple back then, so I can understand your need/desire for something that just does what you want, no more, no less...


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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014   Wethersfield, US  Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004 Mon 25-Feb-13 04:13 PM
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>Hmm, why do you want the ten pin connector soo much?

There are a couple of reasons why I want it.

1) Because I already have several accessories that make use of it, including MC-30 and PocketWizard motor-drive cords. Why should I have to have a different set of accessories for each camera when the accessories essentially do the same thing?

2) Because when I have an L-bracket on the camera, those side panels are hard to get to.

3) Because when my camera with L-bracket is on my tripod in portrait orientation, I can't get to the side panels at all.

Of course, 2) and 3) could be addressed by putting the new-style remote connector on the front of the camera like the 10-pin connector. But they don't do that.

By the way, having the 10-pin connector doesn't preclude also having a USB connector, with all of the control possibilities that entails. In fact, as far as I recall, every DSLR that has a 10-pin connector also has a USB connector.

-- Jon
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jules   UK  Basic Member Mon 25-Feb-13 08:46 PM
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Hmmm, I kind of get you there, perhaps the USB connector would be better off on the front, I'D NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT
Never used L brackets, don't like em, nor grips, nor add on Gps, they add size and weight, I've a list of ailments in my Sig, some of which preclude me from carrying extra parafinalia but I can see that those that are used to using them may feel them essential..
I really do find the ten pin an anarchic cludge and wish they'd get rid of it, and get up into the modern age! Though theres nothing wrong with both suppose, just me there I guess
Like I say, it's just a connector but a really old one...

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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014   Wethersfield, US  Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004 Mon 25-Feb-13 04:03 PM
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But would such a D800-lite body really be much less expensive than the D800E? Chopping the product line up into many more models would increase the cost of each one, due to loss of economy of scale and increased marketing and distribution costs. Seems to me that the dominant cost factor in the D800E is its start-of-the-art sensor. After all, the new D7100 is slated to have nearly the same AF system and Expeed 3 processor at a price of $1200.

Not that I'm against your idea, necessarily, but I'm not sure there would be a big payoff.

-- Jon
Wethersfield, CT, USA
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Chris Platt Silver Member  Newburg, US  Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012 Mon 25-Feb-13 04:07 PM
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It's likely that configuration management, limited productions runs, special ordering, more complex wholesale/retail inventory management, and/or just-in-time production runs for special orders would actually result in increased cost and slower delivery. I.e., it would cost more to leave the features out of a few models than it cost to put them in all models.

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SweetMK   US  Registered since 22nd Jan 2013 Mon 25-Feb-13 05:00 PM
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The answer to this question is taken care of in most camera stores.

It is like the inner city convenience stores that sell cigarettes one at a time rather than a whole pack, for those who do not want to spend that much at once.

If you want a few features, specifically what you want, at a much lower cost,

buy a used camera.

Exactly the results the OP wants, at the price the OP wants to spend.

  

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blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas   Richmond, US  Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004 Mon 25-Feb-13 10:03 PM
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How about if we just get rid of the stupid connectors altogether and do the remotes via, say, Bluetooth? Nikon (or someone) can sell me a 10-pin-to-Bluetooth adapter for my older cameras. Or do WiFI or some other kind of radio remote.

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Floridian Silver Member  Tallahassee, Florida, US  Nikonian since 11th Feb 2007 Mon 25-Feb-13 11:04 PM
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>How about if we just get rid of the stupid connectors
>altogether and do the remotes via, say, Bluetooth?...

One thing I like about the 10-pin connector is that it works without batteries in the remote.

Randy

  

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blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas   Richmond, US  Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004 Tue 26-Feb-13 02:44 AM
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How about if the remote is your phone? Suppose the LCD could be your tablet?

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jbloom Gold Member Awarded for the continuous and generous sharing of his high level expertise and his always encouraging comments in several forums. Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014   Wethersfield, US  Nikonian since 15th Jul 2004 Tue 26-Feb-13 01:14 PM
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>How about if we just get rid of the stupid connectors
>altogether and do the remotes via, say, Bluetooth? Nikon (or
>someone) can sell me a 10-pin-to-Bluetooth adapter for my
>older cameras. Or do WiFI or some other kind of radio
>remote.

Nah, that would never happen.

>How about if the remote is your phone? Suppose the LCD could
>be your tablet?

Nah, that would never happen, either.

(Now just build those into the camera, Nikon.)

-- Jon
Wethersfield, CT, USA
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ZoneV Silver Member  US  Nikonian since 08th Jan 2005 Mon 25-Feb-13 11:55 PM
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Mon 25-Feb-13 11:57 PM by ZoneV


Ok, how about a rectangular box with a lens mount, ten-pin connector, and D800 sensor. No grip, buttons, etc...?

It'd be an industrial version of the D800.

https://google.com/search?q=industrial+camera&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BQgsUae6JOzcigLF2oEo&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1480&bih=727

Red's camera concept is not dissimilar: https://www.google.com/search?q=industrial+camera&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BQgsUae6JOzcigLF2oEo&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1480&bih=727#hl=en&tbm=isch&spell=1&q=red+camera&sa=X&ei=TQgsUdz8G5Ha2wWr8IHICw&ved=0CE4QvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42768644,d.b2I&fp=ff592355762feb9c&biw=1480&bih=727

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jules   UK  Basic Member Tue 26-Feb-13 05:02 AM
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Nahh, I've tried a Pentax K-01 alreeady
Cheers jules...
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