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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sun 26-Aug-12 09:10 AM
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"Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
Sun 26-Aug-12 09:19 AM by richardd300

Dyserth, UK
          

As have others, I have posted about this issue before, but I really do worry that there is a possibility of the D300s being the last semi pro dSLR. What's your thinking?

Rumours of a D400 seem to be running dry and there appears to be another worrying factor. This worry is compounded in that I cannot remember a Nikon dSLR price drop like the D7000. For a launch price in the UK less than 2 years ago of £1098 to a today's lowest best price of £695. It's now only £200 behind the still available D90! Now, I always thought that best sellers usually attracted smaller discounts on the basis the manufacturer can sell enough not to have to discount a product.

The D700 is still priced at about the same as I bought it for over 3 years ago and the D300s has maintained a really good price for an over 4 year old camera.

So, this much raved about and wonderful D7000 (said with tongue in cheek) is sliding down the cost scale and I wonder why. Could it be that indeed a D400 is on the way, or that the much reported D600 going to see the D7000 off? Although that doesn't make sense as it appears it's going to be a D800 lite FX camera.

As one of our moderators often states "a rumour is only a rumour until it becomes a reality". The trouble is with the D400 rumour it seems to have dried up! So, will it be Photokina or bust for the DX pro camera next month?

Is this worrying times for a DX pro body shooter or just my creeping paranoia?

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pjr Gold Member Nikonian since 26th Dec 2005Sun 26-Aug-12 03:11 PM
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#1. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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I feel pretty much the same, and am beginning to think DX days are numbered for Nikon. What frustrates me most is the total silence from this company, no road map, hints or anything. It's been way to long for a D300s replacement.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sun 26-Aug-12 03:31 PM
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#2. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Sun 26-Aug-12 03:32 PM by richardd300

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Yes and I really cannot accept the price reduction so soon. In fact it started reducing only a few months after launch, but accelerated over the last 3 months. I don't think we Nikon owners are alone though. A friend has a Canon 7D (D7000 equivalent) and Canon of course have announced the FX 1Dx and the 5D Mk III, but no sign of any new APS-C sensor semi pro camera developments there either.

I am beginning to think that the future is FX and in DX mode, hence a D600 with DX dSLR's relegated to the starter and advance amateur status. If the D600 is 24Mp then the DX crop would be about 10Mp I guess, but will the smaller sensor mean higher fps?

This is the point I think where the whole face of digital photography is about to make a major change. I'm not being a Luddite, as we call it in the UK, i.e. a person against change, but for my photography and what I want to do the D800 is really too expensive in my view.

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#3. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Too expensive, and I don't want to deal with the file size! The d600 is most likely my next camera! Cheers, Richard!

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#4. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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It's not just the rumored and announced bodies that have me thinking DX is slowly disappearing it's also the lenses. Nikon has released only one 2.8 DX zoom, one fast normal prime and not much else that isn't a slow consumer zoom.

I've been selling my DX lenses this summer because it doesn't look like the format is really going anywhere and I want to get my money's worth while I can. That and they won't be as useful on a full frame body when I finally get one.

  

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#5. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Sun 26-Aug-12 05:16 PM by richardd300

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It's maybe I think, that Nikon and Canon for that matter, will concentrate their DX offerings to the lower level dSLR's, leaving the DX users to choose either DX or FX lenses and the higher grade Nikon dSLR's alone safe in the knowledge Nikon/Canon have a captured FX lens market. It'll just be like the old days of film, except there will be a DX alternative for some users. However, as I have never had any DX lenses I am lucky not to be burdened with redundant DX lenses when everything at pro and semipro levels is FX.

It's still a smack in the mouth if they do this to stalwart DX wildlife users and I hope they won't. It's almost as if they are forcing us towards an expensive D800 when we only need the DX mode, but we would like more fps.

The world of camera technology is changing fast and within 2-3 years we will see the mirrorless dSLR so the fps issue will be resolved that way. Then Nikon cameras will have more Sony in them than their own brand!

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Manotick, CA
          

I will begin selling off all my DX kit this week, will post on the for sale forum here, for one.

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#7. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Sun 26-Aug-12 05:35 PM by Floridian

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It doesn't make sense to me. Nikon is pushing FX and CX (though I notice really big discounts on the Nikon 1 cameras now), and apparently doesn't perceive much of a market between FX and CX -- in the upscale market, anyway. As a happy DX shooter who likes that format as a good compromise between size/weight and image quality, I'm disappointed.

Meanwhile, look at the high-end glass Olympus and Panasonic are putting out for their M43 line. They are obviously targeting higher-end shooters as well as the lower end of the market.

Nikon surely knows their market better than I do, but it looks like they are not so interested in providing an upgrade path for DX shooters. If you have DX lenses, FX really isn't an upgrade path, because you need to get new lenses. It wouldn't be too much different upgrading from DX to Canon, would it? Either way you need new cameras and new lenses. And if you're shooting DX because you don't want more size/weight, M43 is looking more like a possible upgrade from DX.

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#8. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Randy.

<<It wouldn't be too much different upgrading from DX to Canon, would it?>>

It certainly wouldn't and something I considered some months ago. However, it's more likely that Canon and Nikon will share a common approach as the market reasoning will be the same.

I have this deep stomach churning feeling that in the end I will have to settle for a D800 for my DX needs unless I keep my D7000 and use my D700 for a few years more for everything else. Technology is advancing and I'm not keeping up with it, but missing a generation is another option. If I sell both my D700/70000 to help fund a D800, then I loose a backup body too!

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#9. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Hi Richard,

I still use my D2Hs and I have a beautiful 17-55mm f/2.8 AFS DX lens and my 70-200mm f/2.8 AFS VR(1) lens seems to be a perfect optical match for my DX camera. I think there is at least one "new" DX camera in my future, maybe it's a highly discounted D7000. I've given up on predicting what Nikon is doing. However with the advances through the D5100 and D3200 it seems like they still have some DX future.

One inherit advantage to DX is it's lighter size/weight over FX (especially in the lenses). The D7000 plays to that strength, the D300s does not.

As you can see, I have absolutely no vision into this realm. I do like my D2Hs.

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#59. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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I think the D300 is most going to likely be the last of the DX format semi pro bodies.

The more I shoot with my F3 and a kit of fast primes, the less I miss shooting with the D300 and zooms. I love it for my son's sporting events.

But I really am not lamenting the eventual demise of the D300, nor am I pining away for a D300 replacement. Upgrade merry-go-round rides ended for me a long time ago.

Please read my blog (Nikon, Hasselblad, AND Polaroid), at www.arthurpolaroid.wordpress.com/ Nikon D300, D40, F Photomic Ftn, FE-2, F3HP, N80, F2S

  

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#10. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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I wonder if the serious DX shooter may have to consider the M4/3 format if Nikon and Canon continue to ignore DX. The Olympus OM D EM-5 is a pretty capable camera that is much smaller than current DX cameras. There are some high quality fast short and medium focal length lenses now on the market for M4/3, but nothing in really fast long focal length lenses yet.

Matthew

  

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#11. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Roger - The D2H and the D2X are fine cameras affording excellent results, I know this because a colleague had both as he was a Studio and sports photographer. This is the point isn't it, that although being older cameras they still produce extremely credible images and always will.

<<I wonder if the serious DX shooter may have to consider the M4/3 format if Nikon and Canon continue to ignore DX>>

I have indeed and even this evening been looking closely into M4/3 as a friend has a E5 and although not a long lens photographer finds it extremely capable with a build quality that defies description.

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#15. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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I am not a wildlife photographer. At least not regularly. However, I'd like to make a few points here if I may. I own FX, DX, and CX Nikons, so this has some bearing on me.

>Roger - The D2H and the D2X are fine cameras affording
>excellent results, I know this because a colleague had both as
>he was a Studio and sports photographer. This is the point
>isn't it, that although being older cameras they still produce
>extremely credible images and always will.


The situation we are in has played out before. And you've described here the last 2 full-sized pro bodies that were DX. Sports shooters went through this same migration 5 years ago as the D2x and D2H gave way to the D3. It's the same on the Canon side this year as the 1DMk4 with it's crop body has given way to the full frame 1Dx. So, what did most pro's do? They moved up in focal length, or they added a 1.4x. Nikon has not, and likely WILL not give us a full-sized DX camera again. Everyone knows it, and we've moved on. It is likely, the same will happen in the mid-range DX market.


><<I wonder if the serious DX shooter may have to
>consider the M4/3 format if Nikon and Canon continue to ignore
>DX>>

Why? The full-time/full-size pro market didn't look to jump to m4/3 when the D3 came out. And though that market is maturing, they are still not making the jump.


>I have indeed and even this evening been looking closely into
>M4/3 as a friend has a E5 and although not a long lens
>photographer finds it extremely capable with a build quality
>that defies description.

I have invested into the CX cameras a bit now. And I am absolutely THRILLED to have a camera that gives me the equivalent of 500+mm at F2.8, with totally silent operation, and 10fps. The body shape is pretty bad, but over time that will change. The ISO performance is about on par with my D2x. Certainly not great by modern standards, but clearly at a level that put many images on the covers of MANY magazines. All my Nikon glass fits.. even my manual focus stuff.

You seem to really dislike the D7000. I am sure you have history with which I am not aware. I happen to really like mine, though its rather difficult for me to hand-hold. The images are spectacular. Generally better than my D3s under most circumstances.

I would love a D400. In fact, I'd like a pair. But the truth is, I have enough to do my work, and I am just getting on with it. If a killer DX camera comes, I will buy it. If not, so be it. I'll suffer through with the D3s and D800.

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Thanks PerroneFord

<<I have invested into the CX cameras a bit now. And I am absolutely THRILLED to have a camera that gives me the equivalent of 500+mm at F2.8, with totally silent operation, and 10fps.>>

That's very interesting as I started a thread on the CX forum a few months ago which was well received. http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=419&topic_id=1621&mesg_id=1621&page=

The only reason I haven't invested is that Nikon are messing with my head at present Do I buy a D800, although I have a D700 which is superb, or use it mainly for my wildlife in DX mode. Will a D400 appear, who knows but I'd love a September surprise. Do I skip a generation, buy some new pro glass and carry on using my two current models? All these questions are constantly whirling around my head. Not least of all is finance, the D800 is no low priced camera, photography is my passion (oh and bike ridin ), but I'm on a small pension and the world financial market has dealt me and many others a vicious blow.

<<You seem to really dislike the D7000. I am sure you have history with which I am not aware.>>

Yes, I can understand why everyone asks that! I bought my first D7000 and it had a severe focus problem and when the local dealer tested it he promptly gave me a new one. I had moved up from a D90 which handled superbly for my wildlife and was consistently good, the D7000 has achieved some fantastic wildlife results, but under less than perfect light it fails to deliver me images I would have expected. Ergonomically I dislike it too, it feels odd to hold and buttons are not as intuitive as my D700 or as my D90 was. The battery does not hold power as well as my EN-EL3e on my D700, I have a grip on both cameras and the EN-EL3e' are 4 years old and still showing "new" when charged. The EN-EL15 run out of steam faster than a loco without coal whether on the grip or without it. Anyway, that's enough of moaning, I just don't like it, or perhaps it doesn't like me!

So that's my and I suspect many others dilemma. Talking through it on the forums help enormously and to make a guided decision.

Peter, Thanks.

<<So me thinks that even though the market is fragmenting into narrower niches (as markets often do), there is still a place for DX.>>

But I suspect not a semi pro DX.

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"Nikon has not, and likely WILL not give us a full-sized DX camera again. Everyone knows it, and we've moved on. It is likely, the same will happen in the mid-range DX market."

I concede your statement is entirely possible, but to provide sports shooters perspective on why a pro-level DX may still be required, let's see your pictures of the football, volleyball, etc. (not the person). Try it next time you are out.

Wildlife to some extent, especially due to safety reasons vis guy just got killed in Alaska , and birding in PARTICULAR is a different ball-game

I agree FX is sufficient for human sized objects. I don't need DX for human-sized subjects anymore either and I much prefer FX, love it in fact. And I am considering but it would be a multiyear exercise, the 800mm for use with birding and FX since I love FX results. But not an easy lens to handle, as I'm sure you understand.

Even bird photographers can use this same thought experiment - so you got a nice picture of a Blue Heron. Fine. Try and get a shot encompassing just the bill. That's the size of subject we often want to capture and by the way it's moving constantly so you better get your shutter speed up!

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Hi Steve.

All sensible comments and do you know through this and my other posts about DX I am starting to get through some of the fog at last. I am now more seriously than ever considering a D800 as a principal landscape and wildlife camera combined, I even think I can also live with the reduced fps. I say this as the most valuable lesson I've learned over the past year with wildlife is "get closer" physically and without the aid of longer lenses. This is important for many reasons as you will understand. For the occasions where I do need extra length without the use of D800 DX mode and where I need more fps for birds in flight, then use my D7000.

If I do decide to jump to a D800, I'd better get my skates on selling my D700 to help fund it as I think when the D600 is launched D700 prices will plummet.
However, the thought of the 800mm will only ever at best be a dream with no chance of reality
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#29. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Richard,

It does pain me to think that there may not be another robust DX body. I'm not discounting the D7000, but there is a significant handling difference when I use my 17-55mm f/2.8 AFS DX lens from my D70s to D700 to D2Hs. The D700 combo seems the most natural in my hands. However wishing for a D400 (upgrade from D300 footprint) may not be what I want either; the next sensor bump might be upwards of 24MP and that just doesn't seem to fit my trajectory.

Where we go from here in a DX or FX direction is just not all that obvious to me. I really wanted the D3s in a D700s body.

It would make sense for my kit to add a D600 as a backup and travel camera. As others speculated with the release of the D800, maybe my likable DX 17-55mm lens in DX mode would be useful - not, I have the 24-120mm f/4 AFS VRII and it's those last few letters that make a significant difference for most of my shooting.

I have a significant amount of cash tied up in the 17-55mm f/2.8, but the D2Hs is, as you noted, still cranking out great images and the 17-55 sits pretty much permanently on that camera.

For the consumer line, I still think DX has a "happy" ending for a while.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Mon 27-Aug-12 11:09 PM
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I do hope so Roger, for all the investors in DX glass and those who bought FX glass for extra reach.

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>As have others, I have posted about this issue before, but I
>really do worry that there is a possibility of the D300s being
>the last semi pro dSLR. What's your thinking?

Well, I think that the cost of FX-sized sensors is still too high to bring this format into the hands of "prosumers" and pros that use DX. I would guess Nikon would get too few sensors from a manufactured silicon wafer.

And the CX cameras are excellent but not even close to DX cameras in terms of versatility.

So me thinks that even though the market is fragmenting into narrower niches (as markets often do), there is still a place for DX.

The D7000 has been well received. It's possible Nikon is sufficiently happy with its offering in this segment. Perhaps also they are trying to stay profitable in a tough economic climate and flooded manufacturing facilities in Thailand and shaken Japanese facilities.

What I am writing is all speculation.

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We're 4+ years into the biggest depression since the 1930's.
Most businesses are scrambling to cope. There is no end in sight and it's going global.

I would not read too much into the tea leaves we see today, these simply are not normal times.

That said, I do enjoy th DX compromise and have invested seriously in it.
I'd hate to see it go. . . .

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>... I do enjoy th DX compromise and have invested seriously in it.
>I'd hate to see it go. . . .

Well put! That describes me too.

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Mon 27-Aug-12 10:46 AM by richardd300

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Peter, thanks.

<<And the CX cameras are excellent but not even close to DX cameras in terms of versatility.>>

My problem here is that to invest in a CX system and the AF-S lens adapter will take a large slice of my budget. It may well be a good idea if I wanted a lightweight kit and occasionally attach one of my long lenses, but at present I am minded that this would be a half way house at best and lack the versatility of a dSLR at worst.

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The future for the D7000 does not look good.
http://nikonrumors.com/category/nikon-d7000/

Maybe it is the end, maybe something exciting is soon to be announced.
Either way, we should know something positive within months.
Lets hope it is positive.

  

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Hello Scotland.

Yes, but it's back in stock on Amazon.de for immediate delivery now. I am hoping too, that the whole picture will be done and dusted by end of September.

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At some point in the future, FX will be manufactured in large enough yields to bring down the price. The "D600" is just the tip of that wave. DX owners will eventually have to make a decision to move to FX. In the meantime, those of us on DX today can continue to enjoy the second-hand market as more and more DX equipment floods the segment as owners start ponying to full-frame. Can Nikon afford to not have a pro-level DX? Well, for starters, they never gave us a fast wide DX prime, and the promise of a lighter, faster DX mid-range or super-tele never came to pass either. So for most of us, we've been making do with the long end using FX products, and pushing the limits with slower wides. It seems like it was never really destined to be anything more than a bridge product for the enthusiast.

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#21. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Pity.
My D200 is well overdue being replaced but none of the current DX bodies are substantial enough, or enough of an upgrade to entice me.
The D800 is too much, the D600 too small and plasticky (low level) and if I get a D700 I will always wonder about the D800.
I was waiting on a D400 but I am grudgedly coming to the conclusion that the future is FX.
I can't be the only one waiting on a D400, or an FX body with D600 spec and a D800 build quality. And I will happily do without video.

  

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Mon 27-Aug-12 05:05 PM by richardd300

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<<I can't be the only one waiting on a D400, or an FX body with D600 spec and a D800 build quality. And I will happily do without video.>>

Agree and especially video. That said the video production cost is just a software exercise and costs camera manufacturers little, despite the inevitable mark up to us. Never used it, don't think I ever will.

I think a D600 will be of the build quality of the D7000, half magnesium alloy, half high quality plastic and also feel like and look like the D7000. Many apart from me love the feel of the D7000.

That aside, I'm not abandoning all hope of a D400 just yet and guess there may be those in Nikon reading these posts here and elsewhere and smugly thinking "oh, if they only knew what I know"

I still think September's Photokina will be a watershed of some sort, good or bad for DX users.

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All I can say is if there is a D400 released soon I would buy one some time next year.
If not I'll sitck with my D200 till it bites the dust, and then that will be the end of Nikon for me after 36 years. It seames that they have truly lost there way even with natural and man made troubles we are livening with now.

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Peterdan
>All I can say is if there is a D400 released soon I would buy
>one some time next year.
>If not I'll sitck with my D200 till it bites the dust, and
>then that will be the end of Nikon for me after 36 years. It
>seames that they have truly lost there way even with natural
>and man made troubles we are livening with now.

All I can say to this is:- Have you seen how Canon treat their legacy customers. The grass isn't greener..........

  

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Who said anything about canon ?

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Insert any brand of your choice and the same will apply.

  

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This is an interesting question, and I see DX getting squeezed from both ends - FX from above and CX from below.

For the past 18 months I've shot a full DX kit, with D7000 as my high res (landscape) camera and D300s as my high speed (wildlife) camera, although in landscape shooting mode I'd typically work with an ultra-wide on the D7K and telephoto on the D300s.

Now, enter the D800 and I'm not completely clear on how to realign my kit. Ideally I'd like D800 for landscapes and D400 for wildlife. Since that isn't currently an option, what are my options?

- D800 for everything and D7000 takes a strictly backup role; sell D300s
- D800 for landscape and D300s for wildlife & backup; sell D7000

The problem with either of these is that to have a true backup system, I now need to carry at least one lens that should never get used (DX ultra-wide).

This raises the question, does DX even have a place in my kit? With no D400, the answer may be no. Here are some other possible scenarios:

- D800 for landscape, V1 for wildlife? (and V1 probably makes a really nice walkaround camera too).
- D800 for landscape, D600 as backup, V1 for wildlife & walkaround.

This maybe starts to make sense, and it means bye-bye to DX. Honestly when I saw the initial prices on V1 I thought to myself, maybe to replace a compact camera, but for serious shooting, why would I pay more for a CX camera than a DX camera? But there's a current crop of rebates on V1 which start to equalize that issue. Now, camera + standard zoom, V1 comes in around $600 and D3200 around $700. Still not sure the D3200 doesn't win that comparison, if quality is the priority over convenience, but anyway if I'm debating CX vs. DX in the sub-$1000 range, and DX vs. FX at the $2000+ range, that doesn't leave a lot of space for DX to occupy.

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Mon 27-Aug-12 07:11 PM by esantos

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Larry,

A few months ago I started to evaluate my own situation. I ended up selling my D300 and my two DX lenses (10-24mm and 10.5mm fisheye). That left me with a single DSLR - my D700, and my non-DX lenses. I still have the VR I version of the 70-200mm and it does vignette a little on the D700 but it is certainly manageable and easily corrected in post. When used for critters I actually like it giving the subject a little more isolation if I can get in close enough. I just acquired a D4 and I am extremely happy with it. I really haven't taken it out on it's maiden run but what I have seen so far of this remarkable camera I'm sold. Now I am considering parting with my D700 as the D4 does everything this great camera can do and more, much more. I'm hoping to get a D800e by the holidays and I will then have a two camera kit again with all the capabilities I need and all the lenses I will need as well. I really don't miss the DX format as much as I thought I would - although I wish Nikon would update their 16mm fisheye as I miss having fun shooting fisheye images.

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<<When used for critters I actually like it giving the subject a little more isolation if I can get in close enough.>>

Larry.

I use a Nikon 300mm AF-S f4 for critters mounted on my D700. As it's got a terrific close focus ability, I can stand 8-10ft away from a butterfly, it fills the frame and I don't disturb it.

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Ernesto - I agree D4 could be the answer for that wildlife camera, and with D800/e would be the current tech's ultimate kit, but unfortunately I can't justify the cost.

Anyway my bird pics are usually shot at 500mm and cropped from DX. More focal length isn't really an option, nor is it at all likely I'll be able to get closer to my subject on a regular basis. So it seems more logical to me, in the absence of something like a 24MP/8fps D400, to look to CX rather than FX for that application.

6 months ago I was sure the D400 was an eventual certainty, and as Howard said, probably delayed due to the string of natural disasters. I still hope so, but as time goes by, I'm growing less and less sure.

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#26. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Many scenarios there strike a chord. I too have considered the V1 rather than the J1 + 10-30mm & 30-110mm Lenses. I use a D700 for landscape and a D7000 for wildlife. There may now be a difference between us and that's on the wildlife side.

I take birds mostly, both static and in flight. I therefore need longer lenses than e.g. the micro or short distance wildlife shooter. My photography requires some crops, not gentle but perhaps up to 50%. In low light I can fall victim to high ISO noise. I have heard good reports of a V1 with the adapter taking excellent images and of course with a high fps rate.

So, for now I've discounted the V1 as I think it's taking my mind away from the real issue. That being I need a DX camera both for reach and stability when hand holding for moving wildlife. I do use both a tripod and monopod so the V1 in that case wouldn't be a problem.

So, it's horses for courses as they say here. Just fingers crossed for a semi pro DX

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#31. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Mon 27-Aug-12 11:54 PM by agitater

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I think worries about a demise of DX or an abandonment of a pro DX body model - at least at this point in time - may be much ado based more on forgetfulness than anything else. The worries fail to take into account the fact that Nikon (along with thousands of other companies) suffered catastrophic human and manufacturing losses and setbacks due to the earthquakes and tsunami in Japan in March 2011, followed by terrible and widespread flooding which devastated its facilities in Thailand between June-September 2011, effectively ruining almost as much there as the previous disasters ruined in Japan.

It was predicted here - in the Cafe forum, repeatedly and by several different members - that at a minimum the combination of disasters would set Nikon back by at least 18 months. The thing is, we're not at 18 months yet. That point in time won't occur until February 2013 or thereabouts.

Of course major new DX bodies are coming - a D5100 successor, a D7000 successor and a D300s successor, or a successor which merges the best of the D7000 and D300s using the latest sensor developments, video enhancements and still imaging quality improvements. There are millions of DX body and lens owners out there, so who would believe that Nikon would fail to develop and sell a superb new camera or two to all those eager buyers (not to mention the new prospective buyers who've entered the market)?

Too many Nikonians, I think, may perhaps be considering product releases according to the traditional product release cycle timelines. For now, I think that's wrong. The awful natural disasters in 2011 set everything adrift in a cocked hat, to be tossed wildly about until Nikon, its affected competitors and all the thousands of parts makers, raw materials fabricators, etc., etc., could get their collective act back together. They're all doing it of course, but too many companies - including Nikon most importantly for all of us - are nowhere near back to full capacity.

Even the persistently and idiotically gleeful DigiTimes eschews any discussion of the 2011 disasters because of what I believe is a tacit agreement with almost every maker of every kind in Asia-Pacific to fully avoid the subject. It's literally too painful for everyone in the region to talk about.

Rest assured that Nikon is working on excellent new DX bodies and that they'll shortly be out. The D3200 was the first out of the gate for what I consider to be obvious reasons. Whether a D7000 successor or D300s successor (or their hybrid offspring) is next out of the DX gate remains to be seen. Be patient - times are not normal.

On top of all that, global economics are in the toilet. Go ahead - take a stroll up Tottenham Court Road north of Oxford Street. It's the busiest electronics retail strip in Europe, or at least it was until the economic stuff hit the fan a couple years ago. Since then, it's been a steady decline in business. Retail photography gear sales are flat in Canada, sales are also flat in the U.S. and in western Europe. What I'm getting to is just that camera makers are not smart to try and maintain their normal product cycle timing in this sort of global economic downturn. Expecting otherwise, IMO, is somewhat unrealistic.

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#33. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Wise words, thanks for reminding us all, Howard!

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#35. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Howard
Part of the DX issue seems to be that people complain about the lack of wide aperature wide angle prime lenses. I noticed that there are several 4/3 lenses that are fast and wide, most notable the 12mm f2.0 This would be in DX an 18mm f2.0, where Nikon's fastest DX prime is a 35mm f1.8. If the makers of 4/3 system cameras can do it (partly because there is no mirror to limit the lens flange to sensor distance), I would think that serious DX camera users may migrate to 4/3 cameras (or one of the other mirrorless cameras).

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#43. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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>Part of the DX issue seems to be that people complain about
>the lack of wide aperature wide angle prime lenses. I noticed
>that there are several 4/3 lenses that are fast and wide, most
>notable the 12mm f2.0 This would be in DX an 18mm f2.0, where
>Nikon's fastest DX prime is a 35mm f1.8. If the makers of 4/3
>system cameras can do it (partly because there is no mirror to
>limit the lens flange to sensor distance), I would think that
>serious DX camera users may migrate to 4/3 cameras (or one of
>the other mirrorless cameras).

Great point, and it might addressed by Nikon. The lens flange to sensor distance and so on is of little consequence to the engineers. What may be more important to Nikon is the potential size of the market for such a lens (very small) and the cost of the thing (likely uber-expensive if it's designed with a large aperture). Nikon has concentrated on higher priorities for years, which feels awfully harsh for Nikon shooters who could really make great use of such a lens.

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#49. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Howard
I think that the longer lens flange to sensor distance on mirror SLRs means that fast wide angle prime lenses have to be an extreme retrofocus design compared to the mirrorless cameras. The Olympus 12mm f2.0 lens (24mm FX equivalent)is priced at $800, not too unreasonable compared to the cost of Nikon's new FX fast wide angles. And the Oly is now on backorder, so there is some demand (or maybe a lack of supply for a small demand).

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#50. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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>The Olympus 12mm f2.0 lens (24mm FX equivalent) is
>priced at $800, not too unreasonable compared to the cost of
>Nikon's new FX fast wide angles. And the Oly is now on
>backorder, so there is some demand (or maybe a lack of supply
>for a small demand).

Your guess is as good as mine for sure. There are gaps in the DX lens lineup, no doubt about it. To go with your example, I could wish for something a lot better than the 16-85 VR for my travels and my street photography. An f/4 version would be nice - equivalent in quality to the full frame 24-120 f/4. I'm was delighted with the D700 and the 24-120, and the lens is now working beautifully on a D800. But when I want the same quality in that angle of view range on a DX body, I'm out of luck.

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#34. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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I think (and hope) that Howard is on the right track and we still have high end DX on the horizon.

For my uses the recently released bodies still fall short of my needs as a wildlife photographer. The D7000 is kind of slow, has a small buffer and is missing several menu options that I use. The D800 is also kind of slow and DX crop mode gives you a very small viewfinder image. The D4 is out of budget and has less pixel density than my D300s.

Other than its noise performance above ISO-800 I find that the D300s remains an outstanding camera for wildlife photography.

I figure that we will either get a high end DX body or a fast D800 level FX body in the not too distant future.

V1 for wildlife...

While the V1 has some uses in the area of wildlife photography, I do not think it is well suited as a general wildlife camera.

The first major drawback is the AF limitations when using the FT-1 with AF-S lenses. You are limited to single point AF and you have no AF tracking. This combined with the slight, but noticeable, shutter leg can cause you to miss focus on any critter that is moving and it makes shooting birds in flight nearly impossible.

Shooting with the V1 on my 400/2.8 I found the AF acquisition to be slow. Again, a problem if your subject will not sit still for long.

If Nikon were to remove those limitations and improve AF with AF-S lenses or produce fast 400mm + CX lenses then these cameras could become great wildlife cameras.

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#36. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Howard:

No, I hadn't forgotten the problems in Japan, who could. Like Kennedy and 911 everyone knows where they were on March 12th 2011. I know Tottenham Court road extremely well and yes the downturn is only too clear to see. However, in the UK the electronic and photo market somehow seems to be bucking the trend......just! I hope your right about everything and of course my post is hypothosy at this stage, but a talking point nevertheless. Any keen photographer looks forward and tries to analyse what may be. In case there is any confusion and the Tsunami has been mentioned many, many times in various posts over the last 18 months, we are all sensitive to the plight of the Japanese (not forgetting Thailand either), so yes this may undoubtably be a major reason why progress is slow. I wouldn't like you or anyone else to think raising this or any other Nikon issue shows a lack of sensitivity, but life does go.

Dave:

The point about the Nikon 1 is very valid, especially where BIF are concerned. I don't seriously consider a V1 as a contender or a complete answer to long lens wildlife photography any more than digiscoping is. It's asking an awful lot of a Nikon 1.

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The UK electronics market (inluding digital cameras) at retail fell by a whopping 14.2% in 2011 and is on track to do worse than that in 2012. It's not "holding its own" at all. This according to Gfk Retail & Technology, the industry stat specialists. Of course there are minor pockets of hope here and there, but the overall retail picture is doom and gloom in most of the western world. Eastern Europe is in awful shape, the middle east is shredding itself into tiny bits. None of these places in North America and Europe represent markets into which camera makers are rushing new products.

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#39. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Howard.

<<However, in the UK the electronic and photo market somehow seems to be bucking the trend......just!>>

My apologies. I should have explained it my understanding more clearly. I meant this in the context of a comparison to other UK sales outlets. By that I mean furniture, household appliances etc. where many major high street names and UK manufactures have gone to the wall.

<<None of these places in North America and Europe represent markets into which camera makers are rushing new products.>>

I do find this difficult to understand with Nikon launching the D4, D800/E, D3200, Nikon 1 series and now the Nikon coolpix P7700 and Canon with the EOS 5D MkIII, D1, 650D and now the M CX range. All these in the last 12 months. That's a lot of new product launches.

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><<None of these places in North America and Europe
>represent markets into which camera makers are rushing new
>products.>>
>
>I do find this difficult to understand with Nikon launching
>the D4, D800/E, D3200, Nikon 1 series and now the Nikon
>coolpix P7700 and Canon with the EOS 5D MkIII, D1, 650D and
>now the M CX range. All these in the last 12 months. That's
>a lot of new product launches.

Possibly Richard, yet you're still worried that Nikon may be unsupportive of DX. What I'm pointing out, by comparison, is that without the economic woes and the 2011 disaster setbacks, Nikon would already have released major new DX bodies. Something had to give way, which means Nikon had to choose carefully where it put its disaster-reduced resources. It chose the products you listed. DX will show up too, but obviously not on the most favourable (or traditional) timeline for some Nikon users. Patience is advised.

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Thanks Howard.

That will make me and a whole load of others feel slightly more confident of the future. You obviously have a lid on International marketing conditions. It is a constructive comment and an angle to which I hadn't considered.

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>That will make me and a whole load of others feel slightly
>more confident of the future. You obviously have a lid on
>International marketing conditions. It is a constructive
>comment and an angle to which I hadn't considered.

Heh - I truly wish I had a lid on things. I'll bet we'd all be better off. Less greed, more concern for stability. Anyway, Nikon is likely to announce more new camera releases in mid-September, the massive Photokina show is just around the corner and Nikon (and all its competitors) are hard at work. Products we want will show up.

Let's be the smartest possible consumers. I may have upgraded from a D700 to a D800, but that doesn't mean I had already taken the best possible photos with my D700, and it doesn't mean that I couldn't have productively and creatively and very successfully used the D700 for another bunch of years. All the upgrade meant was that I spent disposable income on a camera I wanted.

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#46. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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<<All the upgrade meant was that I spent disposable income on a camera I wanted. >>

That made me laugh.

I've been holding on to the thought that Photokina will announce something for a few months now. However, I can't help thinking that it will be Nikon's best kept secret ever if they announce a semi pro DX.

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Generally, all the leaks that have happened to date drives what will be officially available for viewing at a particular show. There's still a couple of weeks left, but I think this is all we'll see from Nikon this round. They may be saving the stuff we're interested in hearing (D600, any DX "prosumer" body, more FX/DX lenses) for PMA in January. Could be wrong, but that's how things have gone in the past...

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>There's still a couple of weeks left, but I think this
>is all we'll see from Nikon this round. They may be saving the
>stuff we're interested in hearing (D600, any DX
>"prosumer" body, more FX/DX lenses) for PMA in
>January. Could be wrong, but that's how things have gone in
>the past...

Great observations IMO. So if a major new DX body doesn't show up until Jan/Feb 2013, that timing will fit perfectly with the product roadmap setbacks which occured last year. If Nikon does pull a major new DX release out of its hat in mid-Sept or at Photokina though, it will have pulled off quite the accomplishment I think.

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>V1 for wildlife...
>
>While the V1 has some uses in the area of wildlife
>photography, I do not think it is well suited as a general
>wildlife camera.
>
>The first major drawback is the AF limitations when using the
>FT-1 with AF-S lenses. You are limited to single point AF and
>you have no AF tracking. This combined with the slight,
>but noticeable, shutter leg can cause you to miss focus on any
>critter that is moving and it makes shooting birds in flight
>nearly impossible.

This somewhat confirms my suspicion that the Nikon 1 line has some potential here, but the first generation isn't quite up to the tasks I'd ask of it.

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#52. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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One thing Nikon could do is release a 1-system lens with an equivalent FOV of the Nikon 600mm. That would be a strong market seller for the entry level/light birder/sports lens. Heck even better, make it a 800mm FOV. Plus I guess a 150-500 equivalent. At least then you would have full AF-C unlike with the FT-1.

I like the line of thought that sees Nikon merging the D7000 and D300S replacement this go around. I haven't given up hope I guess that Nikon still sees a market for the all-out DX camera with the D4 fixings (buffer, AF, fps)

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#54. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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I just do not see anything to worry about. Nikon has been consistent in surprising us. That will likely be true in the future as well.

I am not sure a modern D300 is in the works however, even the D800 has more in common body wise and control placement/type with the D7000 than D300. The AF mode selection of the D7000 was tapped to be the same for all the higher end cameras for example. Many long time D300 shooters complained bitterly because the lever switch, by their definition was pro and a button/command wheel was bad until of course they tried it on a D800 or D4 and found it logical and faster, with more control options without moving the eye from the VF. For those old enough to remember, the exact same complaints were voiced when AT&T started switching to Touch-Tone, until the advantages were experienced.
The main doubt about the rumored D600 spec is the use of the MultiCam4800 which is not as good for tracking moving subjects as the updated MultiCAM3500Fx in the d800 and D4. Initial lock with the 4800 is pretty good, much better than the 1000. But tracking after initial lock and between shots in a burst, there is a substantial improvement in the new version 3500FX. That might not make BIF shooters too happy.

Regarding markets in Europe....I am in Poland this week, it appears that things are slower and there is less depth to inventory of the stores I have visited. My adopted home in Russia has been receiving a lot of inventory, with even mall kiosks with D4 and D800 in stock and more esoteric lenses than I have seen before in stock. Maybe inventory has been redeployed to regions that seem to not be hurting as much.

My own odyssey in returning to photography has resulted in shifts in usage and equipment. My beloved D7000, which was very good for my primary use of it, feels very lonely since it shares the camera bag with a D800 now. What we expect after a change is often not what the reality is in practice. There is not much I do not shoot with the 800, it is more versatile than I would have ever imagined. My only lens change recently was adding a new 50 1.2 MF, which is fun and reminds me of the build quality and feel of film lenses. It is hard to believe that that lens is still being produced. My regular retailer got 4 of them in stock out of the blue.
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#55. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Stan

<<My own odyssey in returning to photography has resulted in shifts in usage and equipment. My beloved D7000, which was very good for my primary use of it, feels very lonely since it shares the camera bag with a D800 now. What we expect after a change is often not what the reality is in practice. There is not much I do not shoot with the 800>>

That is heartening as I guess that if I bought a D800, then my D7000 would be lonely too and probably end up relegated to a backup body. However, for my wildlife photography the D7000 may well benefit from an occasional outing where a higher fps is required.

I have resigned myself now to there not being a D400 announcement anytime soon, so may make the D800 leap whilst my D700 has some good resale value which would perhaps diminish on the launch of a D600.

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#57. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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>What we expect after a
>change is often not what the reality is in practice. There is
>not much I do not shoot with the 800, it is more versatile
>than I would have ever imagined.

Although I agreee with Stan, this small quote from his longer comment fits very well, IMO, with Perrone's implicit 'warning' and advice that Nikon and other companies must make some changes from time to time which appear to leave part of their customer base out in the cold. Of course such changes, as Perrone indirectly pointed out, rarely result in lost customers, and usually result in the customer base being moved along to a newer and arguably better technology base.

I agree with Stan. A new, serious DX body will arrive (on a very late 2012 or early 2013 timetable predicted here in 2011), and it will contain a lot more D7000 influences than D800 influences. But, Perrone's reminder about historical change strategies which afforded and pushed the uptake of technological change makes a great deal of sense.

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#58. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Sat 01-Sep-12 03:35 PM by richardd300

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Howard.

If nothing else, I have learned much from my thread here and other forums I've joined in with. Yes, even those where I and others were advised to keep our noses out as we are not a D800 owner!

This has been a major data gathering exercise for me as the stakes financially are quite high it also has a bearing on the new DX, or no new DX issue. I have learned this:

Don't ever pre-order and wait for:

a) the bugs to be ironed out and whilst waiting learn as much about the possible future purchase as possible. I downloaded the D800 technical notes and the handbook months ago.

b) Wait for the price to start dropping as it has here in the UK now.

c) Find out if the camera may make a difference to my photography and will it suit both my genres and style. This is where using a D800 with, or without DX for wildlife comes in.

So, why the increased interest in a D800:

a) I've now seen wildlife images both here and elsewhere which when examining the exif data seem to point to a camera which is capable of producing both cropped and DX mode of a high IQ. I also realise that the viewing of web images from any camera is not ideal.

b) The fps is perhaps not the show stopper as I had thought it may be. Also, my interest in wildlife is equaled by my interest in Land and Seascape photography.

c) The D600 looks like a possible launch soon, my guess is that the D700 used prices will suffer and therefore my trade in value.

d) I have studied the D800 since its launch and since it's arrival in folks hands which is about 5 months for the latter. If a new DX semi pro were to be launched later this month I wouldn't dream of buying it until at least February 2013 and if launched in January until the May for all the reasons I've outlined with the D800.

So, there we are the fog has lifted somewhat. Oh and by the way I have actually today seen a new D7000 selling at 40% less than price I paid in November 2010, yet the D300s is still the same price as it was on the day I bought the D7000. I am sharing that, as even if it's not my favourite camera, I'm darned if I'm going to change it now for at least 6-9 months. The hoped timescale for a new DX semi pro perhaps. As Stan has said about his lonely D7000, I wonder how many folks now with both a D800 and a DX body could say the same thing, a few I bet

Anyway, thanks to everyone here and elsewhere, I will probably make a decision in the coming days about whether to abandon worrying about a new semi pro DX, embrace a new D800 or just wait it all out. My mind however, is in a better place now than some months ago thanks to all the constructive comments.

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#62. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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A small addendum to my post. I mentioned lower inventory of Nikon is shops I visited in Warsaw. I wrote too soon. Apparently Nikon has their own stores which I discovered later on during my visit which might be depressing the need for depth of inventory in non-Nikon stores. I visited major shopping center and found a small, tiny, mall store, more of a kiosk with just enough room for one visitor at a time plus 2 salespeople behind a counter. I am small. But in that small space they has stacks of everything: D800E, D800, D3s, 1 D700, lots of D7000, all the lenses in current production including 400 2.8, 600 4.0, all the PC lenses, the 105 and 135 DC's. And the prices, based on 3.5PZL to the dollar were not bad. They had more value per sq meter than a diamond store;>) I don't know if it was selling but they sure had the goodies.
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#56. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Go build yourself a pinhole camera. Sounds crazy, right? I have one major complaint about cameras today. Way too complicated. It ruins the fun. Everyone goes around worrying that their camera outfit may not be enough. Rubbish. Go back to the basics and it will open your eyes to the simple joys of making images. That's my cure for creeping paranoia.

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#60. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Additionally, buying a digital SLR for its potential resale value will most likely always be an exercise in futility.

Please read my blog (Nikon, Hasselblad, AND Polaroid), at www.arthurpolaroid.wordpress.com/ Nikon D300, D40, F Photomic Ftn, FE-2, F3HP, N80, F2S

  

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#61. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Well, I've done it, I now have a D800. My dilemma is over and so my paranoia. If there is a DX replacement for the D300s, I hope to be buy one about 6-7 months after launch

Going to try and see if it will and according to all the reports it will, be a capable wildlife lens as well as a landscape one.

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#63. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Congratulations on your new D800. I prefer the smaller size and lighter weight of DX bodies and lenses, and I will continue to hope for a D7000 replacement. It is not looking good for this year, so maybe next year.

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#64. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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5 months ago I posted this thread.

We now approach the January Electronics and Imaging shows such as CP+ in Japan, International CES in the States and on a smaller scale Focus on Imaging in the UK in March. There's little speculation anywhere regarding a replacement semi pro DX for the D300s. Even Nikon Rumors has now switched to a possible D7000 upgrade.

My thoughts have changed from craving a D300s replacement in 2012 and filling that role with a D800 which is proving an extremely capable wildlife and sports camera. Has the D800 and possibly to a lesser extent the D600 filled the gap? Apart from the lower fps my thirst for a upgraded D300s has largely diminished.

What do you think?

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#65. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Note that Thom Hogan recently argued that a D300 replacement is highly likely (see "What a D400 Could Be" from Dec 3, 2012). As a reader of tea leaves, I value his opinion above that of NR. He could be wrong, of course, and there is no sure indication as to when such a beast may appear.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Mon 07-Jan-13 06:13 PM
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#66. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Yes, I have seen that. However he also said on December 24th "Another year of neglect in the DX lineup should create massive concern to Nikon users, so I don't expect one".

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#67. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Right, meaning he doesn't expect another year of DX neglect.

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#68. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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D600 does everything I would have really wanted from a D400 anyway.

Done and done.

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Oh, I bet you would like 9-10 frames/sec if you could get it.

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Without going mirrorless I don't see that as an option above a 16Mp sensor.

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Say what?

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_1d_x#Specifications

12/14fps 18.1MP

>Without going mirrorless I don't see that as an option above
>a 16Mp sensor.
>
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>Oh, I bet you would like 9-10 frames/sec if you could get
>it.


Honestly, I could care less. I typically shoot single frame. Occasionally, I'll shoot bursts of 2-3 shots. About the only time I really get on the motor drive is with an imminent goal in soccer.

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#73. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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and there was me thinking we were talking about APS-C sensor cameras not full frame Canon's!

I am more interested in whether or not perhaps the D800/D600 has deflected attention away from the DX semi pro market?

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>and there was me thinking we were talking about APS-C sensor
>cameras not full frame Canon's!

Sorry, that was a follow on from my D600 comment. The Canon 7d is an Apsc sized sensor that shoots 8fps at 18mp so that's pretty close. And that camera is 4 years old now.


>I am more interested in whether or not perhaps the D800/D600
>has deflected attention away from the DX semi pro market?

It did for me. And it has for several other pros that I know. Most are saying the same thing. The D600 is fast enough and clean enough to not worry about the DX crop factor. If its REALLY important to get that crop factor back, we all have 1.4x teles to use.

At this point the only thing that would REALLY interest me in a D400 would be if it was mirrorless. Allowing me to shoot it silently would make things much easier for me in golf, tennis, and certain other scenarios.

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#75. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Tue 08-Jan-13 07:23 AM by richardd300

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Agreed. I have had more success with the D800 than I imagined I would. I actually like DX crop mode, as it makes me concentrate on my capture skills by restricting the subject within a smaller area. The down side is I may loose a capture out of frame. In addition there are no lost stops as would be with a TC. That said the D800 crops well to DX in FX mode. These are credible reasons why the D800 and D600 to a lesser extent could replace any thoughts of a new DX semi pro.

That leaves fps. I am surprised that 2012 was very quiet on the dSLR mirrorless front and though progress would be faster with at least another model. I'd love to get my hands on a Sony A77 just to put it through its paces.

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I find the 1.2 crop (30x20) mode very helpful as a birding crop that gives me 5fps without grip. I don't have a grip so I haven't bothered with using the DX crop.

A couple things really help with using the cropped modes - I have a button programmed to toggle me from 30x20 to 36x24 in one press and if you turn off AF point illumination (A5) you get the nice greyed out viewfinder edges so that you can clearly see where your image edges are.

So that is:
- A5 AF Point Illumination OFF
- F6 AE-L/AF-L + Command Dials set to Choose Image Area; and
- most helpfully on F6 you can actually toggle just the image areas you want to cycle through for use; in my case just 36x24 and 30x24 whereas I have DX (24x16) and 5x4 (30x24) toggled off. That way with one button press and dial rotation I can toggle back and forth between full frame and 1.2 crop in one go. Great feature!

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On the main thread topic:

- Yep probably a lot of us like Richard, Perrone, and myself whose FX cameras now greatly impinge on their need or desire for a semi pro DX camera.

- My journey into FX for Birding very much mirrors the experiences Richard is going through. I love the low light capability! I suspect 70% of my birding and wildlife photography is at low light levels (as compared to what shutter speed I need to achieve in order to stop motion). I now routinely shoot in the ISO 2000 to 3200 range, and I don't bother to noise reduce, doesn't need it

- For general photography, I agree with Nikon (and the perceived way they appear to be pushing us poor photographers) that FX is the better tool for all around photography. E.g. as a tool for a photojournalist, wedding and portrait pros, sports guys, etc.

- There's still some semi pro need for DX though, for daylight sports with large fields, any birding guy out there in good light, and let's say 50/50 on wildlife (depending on your subject size, ability to approach, target motion, and light levels). Add to these groups the folks who just continue to like DX and it's size/weight/price advantages, and there's still enough of a market there I think.

- It's not as big a market as it used to be (semi pro DX), so maybe that will put the price of a D400 over $2,200 whereas my D300 was $1800 at introduction. I will probably eventually get one (a D400), but moreso due to work uncertainty and I spent a lot on FX cameras in 2012 so I am not sure when that will be. My plan will be to use it for birding in good light (e.g. through to ISO1600 let's say) and after that pull out the FX cameras.

I would love a mirrorless D400 with crazy high fps, silent shutter, and on-sensor PDAF for video. But we're probably too far ahead of the curve for that yet. So a "conventional" D400 may have to do

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#78. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Some really interesting thoughts there and also some great tips for me to try regarding Image size mode selection on my D800. Thanks for sharing your settings too. This evening I'm going to examine my custom settings with your advice in mind.

You are right in that my desire for a D400 has been watered down because of the D800. As I have said before I probably would replace my D7000 with one, but my budget is limited so thinking about the cost now of a D800 and D7000 compared to launch prices it wouldn't be until at least 9 months post launch.

<<I would love a mirrorless D400 with crazy high fps, silent shutter, and on-sensor PDAF for video. But we're probably too far ahead of the curve for that yet. So a "conventional" D400 may have to do>>
I guess we will guess that wish will materialise over the next few years. I did read somewhere that Canon users are getting quite excited as they think a 7D replacement may be coming soon!

The UK has been very disappointing light wise, the weather for the past 3 months has been atrocious. I'm not a fair weather photographer, but the rain is almost unending. Today, I needed ISO1000 to achieve 1/60 @ f2.8! Because of this, my purchases over the last 6 months are largely sitting on the shelf I long to get out and really flex my D800, V2 with FT-1, my new Sigma 105mm OS macro and Metz ring flash. I'm actually giving a talk tomorrow on low light photography at our Wildlife Photography Club. Roll on Spring and a hope that our climate improves this year

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#79. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Good luck with your talk! Hey I didn't realize you jumped for a V2, I'll have to catch up with you on the 1-series forum to see how that's going!

My brother lives in Vancouver and he just received a D7K from his wife for Xmas so I was helping him (over the phone) getting his U1/U2 settings programmed for birding. But even late morning, with dense coastal cloud cover miles thick, he was having to use ISO 6400 to get any decent shutter speeds even in braod daylight! Vancouver appears to be Canada's answer to Britain's weather

Here in cold clear Edmonton we don't have that same problem, but we do have very low sun angles all winter long. I like to indicate our local slogan is "But it's a dry cold!" which is something you have to experience at -30C.

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#80. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Sorry Steve, a typo with the V2, meant the V1. The V2 body only isn't available anyway in the UK..

Yes, -30 is mighty cold and I at don't envy you that at all or the weather in Vancouver!

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#81. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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I like DX for the lighter weight and smaller size as for much of my photography I'm walking/hiking carrying my gear.

CX is like a pocket point and shoot to me, battery consumption is a lot higher and I haven't noticed any ultra wide lenses which are one of my favorites.

With my D7000 I use a battery for days or a week or two before charging at 75 to 60% power remaining. My brother's cannon point and shoot requires he carry 2 or 3 batteries for an afternoon.

A Nikon rep at a show last year told me DX was 95% of Nikon's DSLR volume so they would seem foolish to abandon it. We do need more lenses.

Perhaps the floods in Japan and Thailand have set them back?

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sun 27-Jan-13 06:59 PM
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#82. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Well only 4 days now until the CP+ event in Japan and still nothing anywhere rumouring the arrival of a D300s replacement!

It would appear to me that a replacement semi pro DX is now looking unlikely in the short term. Perhaps the 4th anniversary of D300s launch will prove fruitful on the 30 July 2009.

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#83. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Well look like no D400 or what ever the next step will be!
So sad

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Wed 30-Jan-13 10:37 AM
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#84. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Maybe May will see something. Now I have the D800 the urgency for a D400 is less. Would be a great addition and replacement for my D7000 though

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#85. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Enjoy the D800, a great camera. I thought about it but ended up going in the opposite direction and my 'D400 alternative' is a Panasonic GH3. The m43 format gives me an easy to carry kit and now there are pro f/2.8 zooms, the image quality is broadly the same I used to get from the D300 http://www.pbase.com/bassrock/gh3

If a D400 does appear, I might reconsider but for now I am happy.

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Fri 01-Feb-13 12:38 PM
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#86. "RE: Considering life without a semi pro DX camera or creeping paranoia!"
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Thanks Bill. A refreshing post in that it's the first I've seen where someone's moved away from Nikon. I am always left wondering whether the Sony A77 mirrorless or another make dSLR would provide satisfactory alternatives to DX Nikons. I have also looked at Canon. Looking at your gallery, the results are have certainly got me thinking.

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#87. "A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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Posted today on Nikon Rumours. Who knows, but it doesn't look like a D300s replacement to me!

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/02/01/nikon-d7000-replacement-before-april-more-coolpix-cameras-including-a-p310-replacement.aspx/

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#88. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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>Posted today on Nikon Rumours. Who knows, but it doesn't look
>like a D300s replacement to me!

You're right. The Nikonrumors article states that it's a rumor about a D7000 replacement.

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#89. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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Thanks Richard. Glad to see the game has started I expect these specs will trickle out in the next few weeks and from these values, we will be able to tell whether to expect a combined D7K/D400 or separate models:
- fps;
- buffer size;
- 39 or 51 pt AF sensor (with f/8 focussing);
- mirror/aperture linkage method (allows aperture adjustment in LiveView in the bigger bodies).

I expect separate models. Nikon has to compete against Canon, although there are some rumblings in the Canon camp not to expect the 7D mkii.

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#90. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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Tue 05-Feb-13 10:22 AM by richardd300

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<< although there are some rumblings in the Canon camp not to expect the 7D mkii.>>

A Canon devote friend is of the opinion that the 7D major firmware upgrade last year has been so successful that the arrival of any upgrade could be 12-18 months away.

For me, I am still so thrilled with my D800 and with my D7000 for the occasional long reach outing, I would not see a new DX as much of a necessity I as did 9 months ago. I bet there are not many who would ever have heard me say that

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#91. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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Thu 21-Feb-13 07:26 AM by richardd300

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So, is the wait finally over regarding my original question? Nasim Mansurov certainly thinks so!

http://photographylife.com/nikon-d7100-dslr-announcement#more-46769

I still have creeping paranoia over the death of a semi pro dSLR, but is this the final nail in the coffin? As I am an optimist, is this an early call that a semi pro will arrive at Photokina in September? With no AF-On button, no 10 pin accessory socket and still equipped with “scene modes”, then perhaps there is hope.
Will Canon release a 7D Mk2? Watch this space I recon.

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#92. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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The most interesting thing is that they apparently dropped the AA filter, making it something like a D800E???

At 24mpx DX with no AA filter that is potentially a lot of resolution for a wildlife photographer, assuming all that res is really there in the real world of wildlife.

Coupled with the f/8 AF capability, it actually makes me think about the idea of giving up my AF-On button. I occasionally shoot a TC17 on my 500/4, but only when I really need it. With an F8 AF system it might be more usable??

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#93. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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> "Coupled with the f/8 AF capability, it actually makes me think about the idea of giving up my AF-On button"

With the D3200, it's possible to assign focus function to the AE-L/AF-L button, so it's likely that the D7100 will let you do that as well. Of course, then you won't have exposure lock.

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nrothschild Silver Member Neil is an expert in several areas, including camera support Nikonian since 25th Jul 2004Thu 21-Feb-13 09:34 PM
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#94. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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>With the D3200, it's possible to assign focus function to the
>AE-L/AF-L button, so it's likely that the D7100 will let you
>do that as well. Of course, then you won't have exposure
>lock.
>

As I mentioned in another thread yesterday, I need two buttons to shoot AF-C Focus Priority. If it were simply a matter of remapping the one button it would not be a problem.

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#95. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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AE-L is very important to me, so assigning AF-ON to it doesn't work. I need both buttons.

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Ray B Registered since 17th Dec 2008Sat 23-Feb-13 10:18 AM
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#96. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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>AE-L is very important to me, so assigning AF-ON to it
>doesn't work. I need both buttons.

I don't know if this works for you but what I've done on the D600 is set U2 so that AE-L is assigned to AF on, the Fn button is assigned to AE-L and the preview button is assigned to spot metering.

As an aside I use U1 in a different configuration for studio work where flash off is useful for me (and so on)


Maybe that's no use but I thought it was worth rolling around as I guess the D7100 can be programmed the same way?

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#97. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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It felt so comfortable on the D7000 to map AF-on to Ae/Af-L and AE-L to Fn that I changed my D800 to do the same thing. Without shifting my hand or grip, I can simultaneously activate both buttons. Switching vertical orientation, the new AE-L (Fn) button can still be reached so it adds the AE-L function that is not available with the 2 buttons side by side on the D800.
I have been using it that way for the last month and today shot a beauty event, sort of the Olympics of hair styling, makeup artist and massage/skin treatment with competition in all specialties. A local massage/cosmetology school had a number of grad contestants so asked me to shoot. Most shots were vertical so I got good use of it all day. I was shooting all manual except for Auto ISO so I still needed to lock E in recomposing. Nice change from the two buttons side by side which can't be operated using the single button on the grip.
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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009Sat 23-Feb-13 05:27 PM
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#98. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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<<I have been using it that way for the last month and today shot a beauty event, sort of the Olympics of hair styling, makeup artist and massage/skin treatment with competition in all specialties. A local massage/cosmetology school had a number of grad contestants so asked me to shoot.>>

You have a great life with your camera Stan. Please don't think I'm at all envious

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nrothschild Silver Member Neil is an expert in several areas, including camera support Nikonian since 25th Jul 2004Sat 23-Feb-13 06:11 PM
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#99. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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>> Nice change from the two buttons side by side which can't be operated using the single button on the grip.

Are you suggesting that you can utilize the Fn button when using the vertical grip buttons?

As I mentioned in the other thread, the Fn button does nto work for me, for multiple reasons. It may be a solution for some, but not for me.

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#100. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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That us interesting, designating the buttons differently according to "U" setting. I have never thought about doing that.

I really like the "U" functions. My ideal camera would have no Scene, P, Auto, or Effects but would have U1 through U6. I would most definitely prefer that over the D300/700/800/3/4 Custom and Shooting banks.

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Ray B Registered since 17th Dec 2008Sat 23-Feb-13 07:29 PM
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#101. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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>My ideal camera would have no Scene, P, Auto, or Effects but would have U1 through U6. I would most definitely prefer that over the
>D300/700/800/3/4 Custom and Shooting banks.
>

Me too, I really like the U functions. I'd probably forget which were which if I had 6 to play with though lol

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#102. "RE: A possible Upgraded D7000 is on the way!"
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Sat 23-Feb-13 08:21 PM by richardd300

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<< really like the "U" functions. My ideal camera would have no Scene, P, Auto, or Effects but would have U1 through U6>>

Count me in there Steve.

I love the U1/U2 settings for wildlife. Setting U1 for birds in flight with a Auto ISO and 3D tracking, the U2 to single point focus, ISO400. It has become natural to switch from U1 to U2 intuitively. I actually miss the function on my D800, but have dedicated other settings to achieve it

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