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Sportymonk Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Jul 2007Fri 09-Mar-12 07:36 PM
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Guess they didn't have room or a photo big enough for my old 1985 5.25" floppy disks. (Anybody remember the ancient 8" disks? That's getting old!!!)

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benveniste Moderator Awarded for is high level skills in various areas, including Macro and Landscape Photography Nikonian since 25th Nov 2002Fri 09-Mar-12 10:03 PM
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To take it a step further, 8 gigabytes represents approximately 7.44 miles of IBM cards. Assuming you used all 80 columns for data, that is.

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rectangularimage Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Oct 2009Sat 10-Mar-12 12:27 AM
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In the 80s I'd backup minicomputers on open reel tape. I forget how much they held, maybe 80 meg per reel?

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benveniste Moderator Awarded for is high level skills in various areas, including Macro and Landscape Photography Nikonian since 25th Nov 2002Sat 10-Mar-12 05:42 AM
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There were lots of tape formats of various sizes, but 80 megabytes seems perfectly reasonable. Ye olde 9-track tape, for example, could store anywhere from about 5 to about 250 megabytes.

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SVA Gold Member Nikonian since 26th Jun 2004Sat 10-Mar-12 09:38 AM
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>(Anybody remember the ancient 8" disks? That's getting old!!!)

I still keep my master thesis on a 8" - but have no drive to read it... A good mini we had on the chair back in 80-ies - Norwegian Norsk Data ND-100 Compact: washing-machine sized, 16 bit CPU, 1 MB RAM, 20 MB HDD, 8"FDD, with 6 Tandberg NOTIS terminals...

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ZoneV Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2005Thu 15-Mar-12 09:14 PM
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US
          

>>(Anybody remember the ancient 8" disks? That's
>getting old!!!)
>
>I still keep my master thesis on a 8" - but have no drive
>to read it... A good mini we had on the chair back in 80-ies -
>Norwegian Norsk Data ND-100 Compact: washing-machine sized, 16
>bit CPU, 1 MB RAM, 20 MB HDD, 8"FDD, with 6 Tandberg
>NOTIS terminals...

Yes! I was 2 years old at the time, and had my own disk on my father's computer on which I remember typing gibberish and saving it. The disk drive unit was bigger than me, and the screen was green. It was an 8" floppy disk.

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epicdream Silver Member Charter MemberThu 15-Mar-12 05:53 PM
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Haha, that's a great picture!

I seem to remember around '95/'96 buying my first PC that had a massive hard drive of 512mb!!!

Back in the day...

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Sportymonk Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Jul 2007Thu 15-Mar-12 06:19 PM
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>I seem to remember around '95/'96 buying my first PC that had
>a massive hard drive of 512mb!!!
>Back in the day...
>
>Neill

My first computer was in 1886, a Tandy 1000A (Not identified except on the back plate. minor upgrade) It had NO HARD DRIVE and ONE 5.25 floppy drive!

Insert Bootup DOS Disk.
Boot up
Remove Bootup disk
Insert Word Processing Disk (PC Write)
Type
Remove Processing Disk
Insert Data Disk
Save
Remove Data Disk
Exit Program
Remove Word Processing Disk
Insert DOS Disk

Finally added a second 5.25 floppy drive Woo-Hoo Now I was really really blazing!!!

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HBB Moderator Hal is an expert in several areas, including CLS Awarded for his excellent article contributions to the Resources. Charter MemberThu 15-Mar-12 07:18 PM
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Lee:

The first computer with a disc storage unit I wrote code for was an IBM 305 RAMAC in 1959 or so. The disc storage unit was almost the size of a Volkswagen micro bus. It had a vertical spindle that carried fifty individual discs about thirty inches in diameter in a stack approximately forty inches tall.

The discs were served by a single read/write arm that traveled vertically up and down the stack, and horizontally across the discs surfaces, with one read/write head for the top surface and a second for the bottom. Average access time was about 1.4 seconds, with maximum accesss time (maximum arm/head travel) at twice that.

The fifty discs held a total of five million characters (the "byte" hadn't appeared yet) at 100,000 characters per disc, and 50,000 characters per side. The recording density was approximately 100 characters per square inch.

How times have changed.

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Beemer2 Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Dec 2006Sun 18-Mar-12 08:56 PM
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>Lee:
>
>The first computer with a disc storage unit I wrote code for
>was an IBM 305 RAMAC in 1959 or so. The disc storage unit was
>almost the size of a Volkswagen micro bus. It had a vertical
>spindle that carried fifty individual discs about thirty
>inches in diameter in a stack approximately forty inches
>tall.
>
>The discs were served by a single read/write arm that traveled
>vertically up and down the stack, and horizontally across the
>discs surfaces, with one read/write head for the top surface
>and a second for the bottom. Average access time was about
>1.4 seconds, with maximum accesss time (maximum arm/head
>travel) at twice that.
>
>The fifty discs held a total of five million characters (the
>"byte" hadn't appeared yet) at 100,000 characters
>per disc, and 50,000 characters per side. The recording
>density was approximately 100 characters per square inch.
>
>How times have changed.
>
>Regards,
>
>HBB in Phoenix, Arizona
>Nikonian Team Member
>
> Photography is
>a journey with no conceivable destination.


Hal,

I think what you were referring to was the Unisys storage drive. My friend was a technical manager working for Unisys mainframe division and told me about it.

Of course the other technology at the time was magnetic "bubble memory" (Plessey) used in early military and General Electric CNC applications.

Ian


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HBB Moderator Hal is an expert in several areas, including CLS Awarded for his excellent article contributions to the Resources. Charter MemberSun 18-Mar-12 10:31 PM
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Ian:

I'm pretty sure this was an IBM product. In those days, late 1950's to early 1960's, all of the mainframe manufacturers (IBM, Univac, General Electric, and others) were moving as fast as they could to come up with large capacity storage systems: meaning a whopping twenty million characters or more.

I still have copies of the programmer's manual for the 305 RAMAC, including photos of all the components. I was given the task of preparing all of the sectors on our machine, which involved rewriting each of them. During this multiple-hour run one night, the unit failed, and the service technician sent out to fix it was an IBM employee I got to know very well over the next year or so.

I remember seeing a large Univac mainframe in their main office in downtown Detroit while attending IBM 650 programming school in 1959. As I recall, it was all magnetic tape drives.

IBM also had an external disc drive for the vacuum tube 650 that preceded our 305 RAMAC, but our 650 was not so equipped.

Following the 305 RAMAC, in about 1961 or so, we migrated to a GE 225 which included a GE newly designed and manufactured disc storage unit that was about the size of the RAMAC unit, but had only 16 large discs with a separate read/write head for each disc, and held approximately 20 megabytes. I wrote the I/O routine for that unit, as the GE Computer Department did not supply one with it. To minimize track to track head travel time, I organized the sectors in stripes, like is done today.

One day I received a call from the machine operator who told me he was getting increasing numbers of error/retry messages from my disc I/O routine. Long story short, we had experienced a head crash, and the inside surfaces of the curved glass panels enclosing the discs were covered with the red oxide material used in early systems. Once the first head crashed, others followed as the fine red powder worked its way through the entire stack. We were down for several days while four or five new discs were shipped to us from Phoenix.

Once the new discs arrived, I helped the service tech install them. Our first step was to remove all unaffected discs, take them out in a parking lot and wash them with soap and water. Then we waxed them all, including the new ones, before installing them in the drive. To my great surprise, the system came up and worked perfectly for several more years.

Ironically, just prior to the head crash, I completed a disc-to-tape backup routine and gave it to the operator with instructions for periodic use. For some reason, it was never run and we had to rebuild all the files from scratch.

In my observation, programming stopped being fun when operating systems appeared on the scene. At that point, we lost our sense of intimacy with the system as all the "fun stuff" was done by the operating system. Prior to operating systems, a programmer could tell where the maching was in the code by watching the patterns in the square yards of blinking lights on the panel.

Those were the good old days of computing.

Thanks for your comments Ian, you brought back a lot of great memories.

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Thu 15-Mar-12 07:28 PM by avm247

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Not that long ago, but back in the nearly 90s, I remember getting trained by my supervisor at the Hollywood YMCA on how to change the back up tape drives; I think we used 4 or 5 everytime. She was going on vacation and they needed someone to do it. Don't know why they didn't get any of the admin office staff to do it.

Back in the 80s when the Apple IIe came out, I remember friends with their 5.25" floppy disks would punch a whole on opposite side so that they could read/write on both sides of the disk. This was before 3-1/2 floppies were introduced.

I recall 8" disks, too, but never really saw/used one.

I had an instructor in college that had an older transportable computer, not quite a laptop. One had to load the OS on one disk drive and a program on the other. He wrote a program to calculate shear and moment diagrams of structural members (simple supported beam, cantilever beam, columns...) Of course, that was just to show us as students that if a computer could do it with 1's and 0's, we could do it with all the numbers at our disposal; formulas never changed.


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Sportymonk Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Jul 2007Thu 15-Mar-12 08:38 PM
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I remember that trick of punching a hole in both sides, worked on Windows machines also.

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jordivb Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Mar 2009Fri 16-Mar-12 06:53 PM
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Manresa, ES
          

I did use a 8"
It was my first floppy ever. We used it on a HP 1000 that had a Hard disk too. We were a small college and engineering was not fashionable in 1979. A we were not that many, every student was allowed to a partition of 64 kB for personal code storage. If we wanted more we should buy and use a 8" floppy.
We were very happy being the first university in Spain receiving a VAX VMS iin early eighties. Then we forgot about floppies as we were entitled to a massive partition of...2 MB or so.
Definitely other times....
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Chicago, US
          

In micro computers, try a Processor Technology Sol 20 with cassette tapes, but upgrade to ThinkerToys 8" Single Sided Single Density floppy disk and the CP/M Operating system.

For the bigger units, Control Data 160A. Boot up required entering bootstrap program through the console to read the paper tape needed to boot the the 10.5 inch 9 track tape drives.

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Los Angeles, US
          

My first desktop computer had no hard drive and I used to have to constantly switch floppies back and forth to use WordPerfect. I still have the big floppies, which were called "floppies" because they were, well, floppy . .

When a 100MB hard drive came out, a good friend asked me why I needed that large a hard drive.
He said, "you'll never fill that up!"

Long ago, my pride and joy was a Zenith laptop which had a huge 20MB hard drive! I still have it in my garage.

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>My first desktop computer had no hard drive and I used to
>have to constantly switch floppies back and forth to use
>WordPerfect. I still have the big floppies, which were called
>"floppies" because they were, well, floppy . .
>
>When a 100MB hard drive came out, a good friend asked me why I
>needed that large a hard drive.
>He said, "you'll never fill that up!"
>
>Long ago, my pride and joy was a Zenith laptop which had a
>huge 20MB hard drive! I still have it in my garage.

David,

Nice to hear about your Zenith Laptop and I hope it still works. I worked in sales for the Zenith Corporation at the time the laptops were being made. I was one of the first four Zenith European employees and we opened a manufacturing factory in Kells, Ireland and for a time assembled the IBM "portable" (heavy!!!) computer

http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5155.html.

The factory then manufactured switched mode power supplies for the first IBM PC and the whole pc series up until its demise. We also made the 3kw multi paralleled power supply modules for the 60kW Ahmdal mainframe.

Hal, you might be interested to note that Zenith Corp was the designer and manufacturer of water cooled power supplies for IBM's System/360 /370 /390 models and that of Cray Supercomputers.

Ian

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I remember the punch cards and 8" floppies too.

I can run my software business from a cheap laptop. I can run an SQLServer, a couple Oracle instances, email, a software development environment, plus numerous other related apps. And the machine doesn't break a sweat.

But to open a simple NEF file from my D300 or D700 in Capture, with Photomechanic open too (and all the biz stuff shut down) brings the machine to its knees.

My images consume multiple and unending terabytes. My whole business system would fit on a 32GB CF card, and that includes multiple matured copies of my client's data. And these are big corporate clients.

It's a conspiracy, I tell you, this imaging stuff.

And just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you and your wallet!

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olivierrychner Gold Member Nikonian since 03rd Jan 2005Wed 28-Mar-12 12:43 PM
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CH
          

A bit too young myself for old "big" floppies, but I do remember the small, rigid ones - actually, there's a box of them next to me at this precise moment, kept for no other reason than my own sloth. They countain bits and pieces of my university master's thesis, and of my wife's as well, plus older written pieces for seminars and research...

But I remember the day when, at the opening of a course for teachers in the use of images and imaging software (I did laugh some, I was probably more familiar with Photoshop than the instructor...), he advised us to get USB keys because they were good for portability AND cheap at about 1 swiss franc per MB. If I calculate well enough, that would put my 8GB somewhere in the vicinity of 8 millions francs!!! One for Moore's law, gentlemen!

And the size of those is amazing, of course: while I have not personally used any hard-disk-less computers except from a game of Zaxxon on my neighbour's AppleII, my first own Mac, a LC, had a whopping 20MB! How big are those D800 files, already?

Cheerio,

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