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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Mon 17-Dec-12 02:58 PM
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"Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"


Phoenix, US
          

Four shots of Four Peaks, with Saguaro Lake as the foreground element.

D300
Nikon 16-85 VR @ 31mm
f5.6
ISO 200
3 exposures, 2 stops apart, merged in Photomatix Pro




D300
Nikon 16-85 VR @ 58mm
f5.6
ISO 200
3 exposures, 2 stops apart, merged in Photomatix Pro




D300
Nikon 16-85 VR @ 85mm
f5.6
ISO 200
4 exposures, 1 stop apart, merged in Photomatix Pro




D300
Nikon 16-85 VR @ 55mm
f8
1/640 sec
ISO 200


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pixmax Registered since 07th Nov 2012Mon 17-Dec-12 03:24 PM
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#1. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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MX
          

Those are wonderful images, excellent composition.

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MasterDabber Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2005Mon 17-Dec-12 03:27 PM
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#2. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Russ, Four nice images. Great use of HDR.
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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Mon 17-Dec-12 09:26 PM
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#8. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Phoenix, US
          

Thanks, Derek. The HDR processing was an unfortunate necessity to capture the dynamic range of these scenes. There are quite visible artifacts in the form of halos on the three HDR images, that I was unable to completely eliminate. Perhaps it's time to evalute another HDR software product.

Russ

  

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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Mon 17-Dec-12 09:22 PM
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Phoenix, US
          

Thanks, Antonio.

Russ

  

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Rassie Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006Mon 17-Dec-12 03:49 PM
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#3. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Beautiful pictures, Russ.

I especially like the side light in the last one.

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#4. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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I like #1 best.


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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Mon 17-Dec-12 09:27 PM
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#9. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Thank you, Rassie

Russ

  

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#5. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Nice work Russ. I also like the first one the best.
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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Mon 17-Dec-12 09:29 PM
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#10. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Thanks, Dave. Your best of 2012 submissions are really a joy to look at. Your work just keeps getting better and better. I always look forward to your submissions.

Russ

  

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#6. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Naperville, US
          

Russ,

Great captures. I've been kayaking on Saguaro the last couple of years. Very much beginner's stuff but what an enjoyable recreation area. I love your #3 shot. That's quite a monolith on the right. I don't think we've been on the lake when the atmosphere is quite this clear. You really have some very nice composition with great shooting-time coordination. I'm trying to remember where the palms are in #4, they look recently pruned.

Thanks for posting these. I think I'll have to return more often. We winter in Mesa so this is a convenient location for fun.

Best Regards,

Roger
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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Mon 17-Dec-12 10:47 PM
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#12. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Thanks, Roger. Shots #1 and 2 were taken in the general area of Bagley Flats, but on the opposite shoreline. Shot #3 was taken past the no-wake buoys at the upper end of the lake. Shot #4 is taken at Sandy Beach, which is beyond (uplake) where shot #3 was taken. Any of them would be a long paddle from where you would likely lauch your kayak at the lower end of the lake.

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rb4good Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd May 2006Mon 17-Dec-12 09:52 PM
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#11. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Very nice images,Russ. Have you played with the "micro smoothing" slider. It helps eliminate halos,also I have found,that with blue skies,it sometimes helps to up the temperature slider(+2 or so).

Rick

  

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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Mon 17-Dec-12 10:55 PM
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#13. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Phoenix, US
          

Thanks, Rick. I've moved the "micro smoothing" slider throughout its entire range, as suggested in the user's guide. It sometimes will be of help, but it's not a silver bullet. As much as Photomatix has improved since its early days, halos still seem to be a problem that is inherent to the software that I suspect might not be as noticeable in other packages such as Nik's HDR software. The problem I have with some of the alternatives is that instead of being stand-alone packages, they are only available as Photoshop plug-ins. Although I have Photoshop CS6 and Lightroom 4, at this stage I still prefer using Capture NX2 as my primary converter/editor, and the stand-alone version of Photomatix integrates nicely with View NX2 and Capture NX2. I'm certainly open to suggestions.

Russ

  

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rb4good Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd May 2006Tue 18-Dec-12 12:46 AM
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#14. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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That 1st image is so close to being exceptional. Have you tried using the one stop over instead of the +2 image or even just the middle shot and the underexposed ? I agree with you as to NX2, that is why I have stuck to Photomatix as well and it is a lot better than it was originally.

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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Tue 18-Dec-12 12:54 AM
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#15. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Phoenix, US
          

No, I haven't. But I agree that the scene is worthy of going back to the drawing board and trying a different methodology within Photomatix. If I'm able to substantially improve a final result, I'll post it here. Thanks for the encouragement.

Russ

  

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dagoldst Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd Dec 2012Tue 18-Dec-12 01:08 AM
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#16. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Shots 1 and 3 are spectacular. Well done...

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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Tue 18-Dec-12 02:05 AM
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#17. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Phoenix, US
          

Thanks alot, David!

Russ

  

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#18. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Phoenix, US
          

Russ,

What a great day to be out shooting. I hope we get some more weather soon. I think your compositions are very strong but I am not convinced HDR is really needed for some of these shots as it seems unnatural to me. I'll wait for some rework if you feel it's worth your time but I would encourage you to pursue a different approach rather than relying on HDR to squeeze in all the dynamic range. I think the 1st one has the most potential in the bunch. Keep 'em coming!

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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Tue 18-Dec-12 04:21 PM
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#19. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Phoenix, US
          

It's always a tough call for me as to when to invoke HDR processing. I always auto-bracket as a matter of policy, primarily to allow for a choice in which single exposure to process conventionally, but also to have the HDR option as a backup. Since my shooting methodology always affords me that backup option, it could be said that I might be just a bit too quick to use it. That being said, Shots 1, 2 and 3 of the original post were all taken very early in the morning, which meant fairly strong backlighting, leaving the foregrounds in deep shadow. This is always a challenge unless you choose to go the silhouette route. I was not able to improve the results of shot #1 by reworking it in Photomatix. I tried using different combinations of the bracketed exposures as suggested by Rick, but the halos remained. I just think it's a Photomatix thing. So, I took your advice and worked the -1 EV single exposure from that set to see what I might be able to bring out of it. The result is below. It clearly doesn't have the pop or wow factor of the HDR result, but it is certainly more true to the actual scene. I'd be very interested in hearing anyone's thoughts on comparing the two versions. I've also posted three additional shots taken just a little bit later that morning. These all had the advantage of strong front lighting and therefore required very little effort in post.

Russ


D300
Nikon 16-85 VR @ 58mm
f5.6
1/200 sec
ISO 200




D300
Nikon 16-85 VR @ 20mm
f8
1/400 sec
ISO 200




D300
Nikon 16-85 VR @ 16mm
f6.3
1/640 sec
ISO 200




D300
Nikon 16-85 VR @ 25mm
f56.3
1/400 sec
ISO 200


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rb4good Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd May 2006Tue 18-Dec-12 09:10 PM
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#20. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Tue 18-Dec-12 09:16 PM by rb4good

Rocky Hill, US
          

Russ,I played with the single shot image using Topaz Detail 3 and it seemed to give it a bit more pop.

Edited to add: I didn't work on the mountains,but that area could probably be improved as well.



Rick

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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Tue 18-Dec-12 10:33 PM
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#21. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Phoenix, US
          

Very nice improvement in the flora, Rick. I've never used the Topaz product. Is it a PS plug-in or stand-alone product?

Russ

  

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rb4good Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd May 2006Tue 18-Dec-12 11:22 PM
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#22. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Rocky Hill, US
          

They have about a dozen filters that are plug-ins for several different software packages,including PS. They also have a standalone(photoFXlab)filter that you can use all their other filters in and it works very well. Right now,I can only get the stand alone to work in NX2 by saving as a JEPG.In PS you can save as a tiff and they will open in NX2(Topaz is looking into why the tiffs in the stand alone won't open in NX2).

http://www.topazlabs.com/products.html

For landscapes,Topaz Detail3,Adust5 and Denoise are outstanding tools. They are constantly being improved and so far all up dates have been free for the 2-3 years I've used them. I believe all can be tried for free for 30 days and almost every month there are tutorials and discounts for various products.

Rick

  

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#23. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Lakeville, US
          

They are all nice but #3 really caught my eye.

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russg Silver Member Nikonian since 03rd Nov 2007Sat 22-Dec-12 05:50 PM
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#24. "RE: Four Peaks/Saguaro Lake, AZ"
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Phoenix, US
          

Thanks, Larry. I kinda like that one, too.

Russ

  

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