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MasterDabber Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Dec 2005Tue 04-Dec-12 03:33 PM
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"Rothenburg town walls"


Camberley, GB
          

This is Rothenburg ob der Tauber in Germany, It is encircled by its 14th Century town walls. This part is looking towards the Kobolzeller Gate.

The day was cloudy/rainy so I had to work with what was available whilst dodging the rain.

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GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006Tue 04-Dec-12 03:57 PM
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Very nice picture. Just a slight correction - Rothenburg was all but destroyed during WW2. The "old" city walls date from around 1960...

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Camberley, GB
          

>Very nice picture. Just a slight correction - Rothenburg was
>all but destroyed during WW2. The "old" city walls
>date from around 1960...

Thanks for the comments Tristan. Much appreciated.

My understanding of the destruction of the town is that on 31 March 1945, bombs were dropped destroying 306 houses, six public buildings, nine watchtowers, and over 2,000 feet of the wall. This destruction was mainly on the eass side of the town. The section of wall/gates that I posted the image of is on the southwest side of the town.
The town was saved from major destruction by the intervention of the U.S Assistant Secretary of War John J. McCloy knew about the historic importance and beauty of Rothenburg ob der Tauber, so he ordered US Army General Jacob L. Devers not use artillery in taking the town.

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>Very nice picture. Just a slight correction - Rothenburg was
>all but destroyed during WW2. The "old" city walls
>date from around 1960...


Yup, I've been there, its been rebuilt, as I remember there's a plaque which cites American aid in the rebuild.

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Love this sort of architecture - great shot.

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Camberley, GB
          

Thanks a lot David. The town is beautiful although, of course, very touristy.
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Nice photo. If you like beautiful scenes better without too many tourists, you can be grateful for the rainy day.

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Camberley, GB
          

Thanks Antero. You're right, there are pluses and minuses when it is raining.
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CK Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Apr 2004Wed 05-Dec-12 01:10 AM
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Thanks for the memory Derek. It reminds me of Soest, Germany, where I spent 3 years as a kid. My father was in the Canadian army and we lived in a PMQ near Soest. We spent many an hour walking the walls there.
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Nice one Derek,

Really like the tone and color here...and looks like the typical Winter day I remember from living in Germany for 2 years in the mid seventies. Really enjoyed scenery like this. As far as I'm concerned, rainy days are perfect for work like this. Nice soft light on all of that stone looks great. Good color saturation etc.

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Fine image and a fine history lesson!

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CH
          

Hi Derek!

This time, it's just "I love it", no restrictions!

But of course I always need more: do you have a BW version somewhere in a drawer? I've always been a fan of BW for old places such as that...

Thanks for sharing this one!

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Camberley, GB
          

Thanks a lot CK, Peter, jd and Olivier. It seems that a few of you have lived for a while in Germany - US military?
Rothenburg is a fascinating town with beautiful scenes all over the place. The problem is usually getting a clear(ish) view of them.

Olivier, I Hadn't done a B&W but I have now, especially for you
I don't know what you think, but... ?
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CH
          

Looking at it on a crappy monitor just now, but seems appetizing!

And just for me? wow!

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Really looks great in black and white-- and yup.. I was stationed in Zweibrucken and Wiesbaden with the Air Force. Saw lots of these in those 2 years (1975-1977). What software do you use for b&w conversion Derek? Does a nice job...

  

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Camberley, GB
          

Thanks Olivier and Peter.

Peter, the B&W conversion method I use is known as the Gorman/Holbert method. I've been using it for a number of years and have kind of got used to it. Details on how to do it are here...
http://www.gormanphotography.com/Duotone.pdf

I have created/recorded it as an "ACTION" which I run in CS3. I don't know for sure but suspect it would work fine with later CS versions.

Since I started using it I know many progrms/add-ons have become available, but I've stuck with what I know... at one time I was doing quite a lot of B&W work. I kind of feel more involved in the process this way.

If you are interested in having a copy of the "ACTION" feel free to PM/email me and I'll send it to you.
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CH
          

Hi!Me again...

Derek, I have had a look at it on my calibrated monitor, and while I like the overall conversion, I now have a precise something to find nits about...



I have pointed at zones which seem to show a gradient which did not disturb me to the same extent in the colour version. Did you use a gradient filter in the digital developing process? It seems to have over-reacted to your BW conversion, because the tower closest to us is not affected the same way as those in the further background.

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Fri 07-Dec-12 08:03 PM by MasterDabber

Camberley, GB
          

Well, tbh, I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to Olivier.

However, the B&W was simply the original, resized colour image (posted at the top of this thread) put through the Gorma/Holbert process. I was lazy and never went back to the original raw image. And no, I haven't used any gradient in the course of this.
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CH
          

Well, sorry for being confuse and confusing: I see a gradient going from black at the top, or nearly black, to the "normal" colour/scale of grey of the towers I have circled.

I looks as though there had been a selection/treatment with a gradient mask, hence my interrogation.

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Camberley, GB
          

Thanks for clarifying Olivier. I have to confess I still can't see what you are seeing but either way, I can confirm that I haven't applied a gradient in either the original colour image or the B&W quickie conversion. So, I'm not sure what is giving the effect you are seeing.

Let me confirm what I remember of the processing I did...

raw >> ACR >> tiff >> Oloneo HDRengine (single image) >> tiff >> CS3.
Then a bit of Curves, Colour Balance and Sharpening. No Layer Masks at all as far as I can remember (never saved the psd).

For the B&W conversion I just ran the resulting resized jpg through the Gorman/Holbert Action. Tweaked the Curves Layer and that's about it. There, all my "secrets".

An interesting little discussion. Cheers Olivier,


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Interesting discussion where I have learned more about what gradients are.. However, Olivier, help me, as a researching observer of this discussion, to see what it is you see, since I am not seeing. Thanks.

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#21. "RE: Rothenburg town walls"
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CH
          

Sorry I'm late, forgot to subscribe! And sorry Derek if I bring it back to the top of the pile! As you'll see near the bottom of this post, I may after all well be the only culprit!

As I have written in my two posts above, to me, on different monitors, I see a gradient of tones/colors in the towers of the further parts of the city wall.

My questions to Derek were to know if he had at some point used a gradient filter/layer to treat the sky, which could have been the case. Had it been the case, a "cure" would have been to locally brush the towers black in a mask, to remove the gradient effect from them.

Now we know what he did, and there was no gradient filter or layer or mask applied. I gladly accept that, but I'm left puzzled at what may have caused that, which I can't attribute to my eyes or my main monitor - except of course if I'm the only one seeing the distant towers going from black at the top to levels of gray - the effect is to me more visible in the BW version.


Hope that clarifies my point furthermore!

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Camberley, GB
          

OK Olivier. I now understand what you are referring to,

Let's take the colour version first. To my eyes the effect isn't really visible. The very top of the towers are of a different material to the walls of the towers and would therefore look darker anyway.
One thought, however, I applied sharpening to the resized colour version before saving. I added a Layer Mask to the Sharpening Layers and painted in around the horizon to remove any possible halo'ing. This may have some effect, although why only really in the B&W I've no idea.

It's interesting that you've called this out. Is it distracting or spoiling the image for you. I'm not saying this defensively but just out of interest.
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#23. "RE: Rothenburg town walls"
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Mon 10-Dec-12 04:49 PM by jdroach

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Olivier, thank you for explaining what you saw. You have a discerning eye. I never noticed that difference...perhaps a bit subtle for me, but I understand now. For me it is not a distraction but certainly a new awareness even now that I know the tonal variation at the towers. Nonetheless an interesting study topic and one I will be paying attention to, I hope. Since I only use CS5 a little, these are learning points. LR4.2 is my primary processing tool. Again, thanks.

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Nice picture on a dreary day.

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Camberley, GB
          

Thanks for commenting Larry. Glad you like it.
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#26. "RE: Rothenburg town walls"
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Camberley, GB
          

Just a follow up regarding the damage to the town during WWII.

I wrote the the town officials and received the following comments and photos from the Stadtbaumeister.

"your understanding is correct.

A particular section on the east side (about 750 meters) of the old town was destroyed by the attack of the American airforce in 1945.

But the destruction of the wall was not so strong as you can see on the two fotos."

Some parts are totally reconstructed.


All of the 3 images are oriented in approximately the same direction.
The first image is looking towards the northeast.
The map (3rd image)is from a different source.
Approximately 40/45% of the town was damaged.

The funding of the repairs/reconstruction has come from many sources but the plaques around the walls are recognising the individuals and companies from around the world who have made contributions.

I thought this may be interest.

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Regensburg, DE
          

very impressive shots .... love this town
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Camberley, GB
          

Thanks Hans. Yes, it's a lovely town (we've been there 5 times) and not too far from you in Regensburg I think.
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