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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Tue 30-Jul-13 01:14 PM
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"Does this also qualify as a macro?"


HIXSON, US
          

This photo has not been cropped at all. I have three squirrels that regularly eat from my hand. Kinda tough to get them in the frame of my D7100 w/ 300/f4 & TC14E II when they are so close.

I regularly have to shoot at ISO-3200 & ISO-6400. This one is shot at: ISO-3200 f/5.6 1/250"

Questions are:
1) Does this also qualify as a macro? Subject was 6.5' from front of lens.

2) Have I gotten enough noise reduction for this ISO?

3) Any recommendations?

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af4nc Gold Member Nikonian since 07th Jul 2007Tue 30-Jul-13 01:18 PM
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#1. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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Great shot. We have lots of those critters around here. It doesn't matter what you call it, it's a nice shot. I often shoot butterflies with the 200-400 up close sometimes adding an extension tube to get close, but not too close. They have less tendency to fly away if you can keep back a little. I've had good results.

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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Thu 01-Aug-13 02:29 AM
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#7. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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HIXSON, US
          

Thanks Tom (1?),

I'm having to make some of my shots through double-paned windows or sliding glass doors to keep from spooking butterflies, and hummingbirds. Sometimes I have to shoot at a very sharp angle. Oh well, you do what you have to do. I can't afford a $17,000 lens to get further away.

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tfeazel Silver Member Nikonian since 12th Sep 2004Tue 30-Jul-13 01:39 PM
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#2. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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Polk City, US
          

The strict definition of "macro" is image size=actual size when measured at the film plane (sensor).
This great shot may or may not fit the definition, but, who cares?

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mkbee1 Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Nov 2012Wed 31-Jul-13 03:42 PM
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The strict definition of "macro" is image
size=actual size when measured at the film plane (sensor).
This great shot may or may not fit the definition, but, who
cares?



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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Thu 01-Aug-13 02:43 AM
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#11. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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HIXSON, US
          

Thanks Carl,

One of these days I may really learn to understand macro/closeup. It has been an expensive education.

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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Thu 01-Aug-13 02:34 AM
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#8. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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HIXSON, US
          

Thanks Tom (#2?)

>>"The strict definition of "macro" is image size=actual size when measured at the film plane (sensor)."<<

Don't think my sensor is quite that large.

Oh well, don't think I'll stop shooting this type of image.

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Countryboy Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Mar 2007Tue 30-Jul-13 07:07 PM
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#3. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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Jackson, US
          

I like the image. Squirrels are underrated as subjects. Nice one.

Tom

  

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#4. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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It would qualify as a macro if say, it was just the critter's eye. Looks like the noise redux is well done. Nice, sharp image. it's a good example of why you should fill the frame when shooting at high ISO's.

Unless of course, you're shooting a D3s or D4!

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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Thu 01-Aug-13 02:41 AM
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#10. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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HIXSON, US
          

Thanks Mark,

>>"Unless of course, you're shooting a D3s or D4!"<<

Hmm... How does that change things?

I do try to fill the frame since I spend so much time shooting at ISO-3200-6400.

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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Thu 01-Aug-13 02:38 AM
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HIXSON, US
          

Thanks Tom (#3),

I was fascinated that the 1st three responders were named Tom.

I have so many photos of squirrels. Since I feed them from my hand they will get really close. I know people that whistle to get squirrels to run away. I whistle, and they come to me. Now if I could just keep them from eating my Rose of Sharon blossoms and buds...

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The squirrel is great.

It appears from enlarging the image, that a couple notches down on noise reduction would help the background.



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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Thu 01-Aug-13 02:49 AM
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HIXSON, US
          

>
>The squirrel is great.
>
>It appears from enlarging the image, that a couple notches
>down on noise reduction would help the background.
>

Thanks Dan,

Does that mean that it needs more or less noise reduction?

I use LR5 mainly. It's a difficult balancing act between sharpness & noise reduction. Some subjects like this are not great subjects for selective noise reduction due to the whiskers, etc. The new selective tools can help but don't quite match what is possible with Photoshop. Unless I just don't know enough yet.

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#13. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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I like it!

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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Fri 02-Aug-13 05:47 AM
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#15. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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HIXSON, US
          

Thanks Alicia!

BTW, Do they have any of those all white squirrels in Weaverville?

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slopoki1 Silver Member Laureate Ribbon awarded for winning in the Best of Nikonians 2013 images Photo Contest Nikonian since 13th Jun 2012Fri 02-Aug-13 09:57 PM
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Homestead, US
          

>>
>>The squirrel is great.
>>
>>It appears from enlarging the image, that a couple
>notches
>>down on noise reduction would help the background.
>>
>
>Thanks Dan,
>
>Does that mean that it needs more or less noise reduction?
>
>I use LR5 mainly. It's a difficult balancing act between
>sharpness & noise reduction. Some subjects like this are
>not great subjects for selective noise reduction due to the
>whiskers, etc. The new selective tools can help but don't
>quite match what is possible with Photoshop. Unless I just
>don't know enough yet.
>
>Charlie
Very nice shot of the squirrel Charley.
Re: noise, there's a program called Imagenomic Noiseware that I use when noise is a problem. I use the plugin edition in CS6 but I'm not sure if it"s compatible with LR. I hope you don't mind me taking the liberty to run it through to show you how well it preforms. I am by no means pluging the product I just thought I would share this info with you and everyone reading this.
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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Sat 03-Aug-13 03:43 AM
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#18. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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HIXSON, US
          

>>"Very nice shot of the squirrel Charley.
Re: noise, there's a program called Imagenomic Noiseware that I use when noise is a problem. I use the plugin edition in CS6 but I'm not sure if it"s compatible with LR. I hope you don't mind me taking the liberty to run it through to show you how well it preforms. I am by no means pluging the product I just thought I would share this info with you and everyone reading this.
Rick"<<

Gosh no Rick, I don't mind. I'm here to learn.

Not familiar with Imgenomic Noiseware. However, I can basically do the same thing in LR5. I hope I'll be able to do it better when LR5.2 is officially released. The problem that I had with LR5 is the same one that I see in your rendition.

I saved both my image and yours to my hard drive. Then I viewed them in Windows Photo Viewer. Then going from one to the other is like flashing the before & after views. Your background is great. But; unfortunately, your noise reduction also clipped off some upright hairs on the neck and almost made the whiskers disappear. I'm wondering if it isn't possible to select those out in something like PS6 & make a separate layer & then work on the background.

I do need to find something because I am faced with this all the time.

Thanks again!

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jamesvoortman Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Sep 2004Thu 01-Aug-13 11:21 PM
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#14. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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Durban, ZA
          

Nice Shot!

Not sure how you are processing the shot but one way to limit the effect of noise (without doing actual noise reduction) is to remove all in-camera sharpening from the RAW image and then use a feathered selection brush to sharpen only the subject area, leaving the background untouched.

If using CNX2 it is quite quick and easy to do this.

CNX2 also makes it possible to refine the effects of in-camera noise reduction without losing too much detail

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cwils02 Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2012Fri 02-Aug-13 06:02 AM
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#16. "RE: Does this also qualify as a macro?"
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HIXSON, US
          

Thanks James,

I don't have CNX2. Might try a free trial. So much of the copy about CNX2 on Nikon's USA web site looks like it's from 2007/2008.

You have given me some things to try. How hard is it to keep things like the squirrel's whiskers sharp while leaving the background untouched?

I basically try to balance sharpening and noise reduction in LR5. LR5.2 RC is just out. Some images are easier than this one to separate subject from background. If I could do that, it would be a cinch.

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danshep Silver Member Charter MemberSat 03-Aug-13 04:43 AM
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Olympia, US
          


I'm learning too, Charlie.

You have such sharp focus and detail in the eye.

Try the slider for "luminance" and try either a 20 or 30 in the box. See if you can notice background improvement, without loss of quality in the eye.



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