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Dubes Silver Member Awarded for his high level of achievement and willingness to help others – most notably in wildlife photography. Nikonian since 16th Jun 2007Fri 15-Feb-13 06:54 PM
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"In your face too much??"


Mississauga, CA
          

Prior to taking up bird photography, I was a fairly avid macro photographer; and as pointed out by others, it sometimes seems to carry over into my bird photography. For some, it might be a bit "too much in your face". However, I've always loved detail & texture in my images and thought this conveyed contrasts between the black & white (with a splash of vivid red), along with the soft texture of the feathers vs. the roughness of the black "knob" on its bill.
It was also a slow day yesterday, with poor lighting most of the morning!

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rb4good Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd May 2006Fri 15-Feb-13 08:51 PM
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I like it ,Richard. Possible candidate for the monthly challenge in the Macro forum,it has some nice patterns in it.

Rick

  

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Dubes Silver Member Awarded for his high level of achievement and willingness to help others – most notably in wildlife photography. Nikonian since 16th Jun 2007Mon 18-Feb-13 12:01 AM
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Mississauga, CA
          

Thanks Rick, I haven't been active in the macro forum for 3 years now - seems like cheating using a 600 + TC to get a close-up!

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Hershey, US
          

Richard, just what we need - macro-bird photography!
I'm totally screwed!

Amazing sharpness and detail.

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Dubes Silver Member Awarded for his high level of achievement and willingness to help others – most notably in wildlife photography. Nikonian since 16th Jun 2007Mon 18-Feb-13 12:04 AM
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Mississauga, CA
          

This wasn't really planned. Sitting on the edge of some rocks waiting for some action, a couple of swans were feeding by the shore, just fired away focusing on their eyes as they popped their heads out from under the water. Thanks as always Bob.

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Wow. I don't know what to say. Just looking at the white feathering along the top of the black and around the eye...the detail you capture is incredible. Love the water droplets on the white.

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Mississauga, CA
          

Don, thanks very much - appreciate your comments and feedback.

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Ottawa, CA
          

Great stuff. Very nice shot!

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Nice shot Richard!

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Thank you Victor.

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Antero52 Silver Member Awarded for his expertise in post-processing, being  consistently helpful and professional. Nikonian since 07th Jul 2009Sat 16-Feb-13 11:59 PM
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Wow! Is that a mute swan?

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Hi Antero and thank you, Yes a Mute Swan, now considered an invasive species in some areas of North America (especially in the Great Lakes region) after being introduced from Europe.

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#7. "You're hard-wired for detail Richard..."
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And oh yes, and you have a detailed rebuttal to this theory: http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=set_threaded_mode&forum=161&topic_id=95054&prev_page=show_topic&gid=95054#95104 .

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>And oh yes, and you have a detailed rebuttal to this theory:
>http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=set_threaded_mode&forum=161&topic_id=95054&prev_page=show_topic&gid=95054#95104
>.


First of all this is a beautiful photo and I would be thrilled to have taken it.

Out of curiosity I looked at the thread referred to above. It does present some good points for more of an "environmental" approach to bird/wildlife photography.

But anyone seeing the photo in this thread would certainly also be moved to respect the beauty and uniqueness of the subject.

There is definitely room for both approaches in wildlife photography and both can be appreciated without minimizing contributions of the other.

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#20. "RE: You're hard-wired for detail Richard..."
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Mississauga, CA
          

Thank you Diane for stopping by. I have to agree, I also love all types of wildlife shots, whether they're wide environmental images, full frame images of the main subject, or close-ups focusing on details of various parts of the animal, bird, etc. Good composition of wider shots is usually what makes or breaks one of these types of image, and with bird photography, it is not always easy to get that composition without a lot of clutter in the image, especially with songbirds.
I'd love to get up close and in the Snowy's face!!

Ans also Diane, I apologize, in a response to one of your earlier posts, I called you Francine by mistake.

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#26. "RE: You're hard-wired for detail Richard..."
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>Thank you Diane for stopping by. I have to agree, I also love
>all types of wildlife shots, whether they're wide
>environmental images, full frame images of the main subject,
>or close-ups focusing on details of various parts of the
>animal, bird, etc. Good composition of wider shots is usually
>what makes or breaks one of these types of image, and with
>bird photography, it is not always easy to get that
>composition without a lot of clutter in the image, especially
>with songbirds.
>I'd love to get up close and in the Snowy's face!!
>
>Ans also Diane, I apologize, in a response to one of your
>earlier posts, I called you Francine by mistake.


LOL I noticed but didn't think anything of it. Not a bad thing to be called!

I once called my son by the dog's name---they were both underfoot and in my way. I still hear about that one!

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#19. "RE: You're hard-wired for detail Richard..."
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That is too funny Jim, how on earth did you remember and unearth a comment from over 3 years a go?

You're probably right about being hard-wired for detail, it has shown in my career, always worrying about the small details. And it has shown in my other hobbies, such as bird carving, where I was never satisfied until I "burned" in every last vane on each feather. But I do enjoy the "wider" view as well as close-ups or portraits in photography, but even with a wider view, I do pay attention to ensure the main subject is sharp and well defined.

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#8. "RE: In your face too much??"
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What is there not to like - exposure spot on for blacks and whites - great shot. Makes a lovely change from the question mark swan necks...

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Definitely not in my face too much. I think it is a stunning image. Shows all the textures delightfully. Brilliant work!

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Mississauga, CA
          

Thanks Alex, they're so common around here I know what you mean about the "S" shape, lovely to look at, but you can only have so many in your files.

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Traverse City, US
          

Beautiful shot Richard

Like the others... can't beat that incredible detail and color. Nice job capturing that.

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Mississauga, CA
          

Thank you Peter, a diffused light help me maintain a nice range of shades.

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Tistrup, DK
          

Excellent shot, nice colours, stunning details and great depth of field.

When seeing such a beautiful close up you realize that there are so many fine subjects out there that still need to be captured.

Thanks for sharing.

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Nice of you to drop by Henning, and thanks very much. It's one of the reasons I like to create images like this, you really do get to see some amazing details and features you normally don't notice.

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Powell, US
          

This is an issue I've found myself thinking about quite a bit. (By the way, that is a wonderful shot.) One of the things I like about photography is that it lets me see the world in ways I can't see it with my eyes alone (and couldn't even when my eyes were good). A photo stops a moment and lets me look at it in detail and appreciate it in ways I never could otherwise. For me, the clarity I see in most of the photos in this forum are the gold standard for sharpness and detail. They are superb. It is a place I would like to get to some day.

On the other hand, I think that some powerful photos work by firing up the imagination. They suggest rather than delineate. I wonder if at some point a photo can become clinical, like something in a textbook, and the very sharpness might work against engaging a viewer's imagination.

Obviously, it all depends on what the photographer wants to accomplish, as well as the person looking at the photo. I guess I feel like there's room for all types of styles and approaches. Different photos can be powerful in different ways.

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Mississauga, CA
          

Thanks Rob, and truly appreciate your thoughts. I can see your point about a "clinical" image vs. one that stimulates your imagination, but as you say, there's room for all types of imagery, just as there is in the art world. The works of sculptors like Auguste Rodin & Henry Moore are totally different, but yet each is a master in their own style of work. One lending itself to realistic lifelike beauty vs. one that stimulates your imagination in a different manner.

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South Orange, US
          

Super shot, detail so fine, the water beads, beautiful work.
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Thanks very much Emory

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I would have preferred more beak. It's often one of the more interesting features of a bird. But the extreme closeup does show more of the patterns of water droplets, and texture on the skin.

Thanks for Sharing!

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#28. "RE: In your face too much??"
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Love it, Richard-fantastic detail and dead on exposure!

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#29. "RE: In your face too much??"
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nothing at all wrong with "in your face" type shots when they are planned that way, and especially when well executed like this shot with the great lighting, detail and colors

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Hi Shane and thank you for sharing your thoughts. It's always interesting to hear other views. There is no right or wrong as far as I'm concerned on close ups, just varying opinions.

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#30. "RE: In your face too much??"
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Beautiful image, Richard. Nicely exposed and a very nice composition.

It's great to see the variety of compositions. This is a great example of framing tightly and intentionally cutting off part of the subject. It works well - as I'm sure images pulled back some would also work well. Even the environmental images as referenced in the other thread.

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#36. "RE: In your face too much??"
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It was meant to be "different" Eric from the typical pose to stimulate conversation, which I think it did. One of the reasons I prefer posting to a "forum" where discussions can be initiated rather than a gallery or a "Flickr" account.

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Interesting Richard, great detail as expected.

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Thank you Al - 'interesting' - not sure wheteher you think that is a good thing or bad thing?

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By interesting I meant "out of the norm". . . I like it!

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Thanks again Al, wasn't trying to fish for compliments. Just when someone says "interesting", it could be taken as a positive or negative comment.
In fact, I like to hear both positive and negative responses, but I do appreciate the reasoning for thinking those thoughts. If one thinks something is striking, why is it striking; and if one thinks it misses the mark or you think it's a piece of cr*p, again why? Students don't learn to become better at what they do by giving them all an "A" even though their work is mediocre - sometimes you need to be challenged.
I'm as guilty as many and don't expand on my reasoning at many times - it can be a lot of work providing valid critiques with your thoughts and at the same time possibly offending people you really don't know that well.

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This is certainly a shot you hardly ever see. I detail in the feathers, skin texture and the droplets are certainly special. I like the feel of this. I've wondered how some of these birds would look if you were really up close. This just makes me want to keep trying. This is excellent---I really like it.

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Larry, thanks very much. This type of image really does allow you to see just how complex creatures can be and marvel at their various features.

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I'm not sure I have seen a crop like this before. Fantastic detail in the swan Richard

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Thanks Dave, almost full frame, most cropping/framing was done in the camera viewfinder.

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Splendid detail.
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Thank you, very kind of you to stop by and comment. I think I remember that shot - should blow it up to a big poster size print!

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#42. "RE: In your face too much??"
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Really fine exposure and detail.

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Thank you John for stopping by to comment.

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