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treadwl Silver Member  Sunrise, US  Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009 Sat 09-Feb-13 02:35 PM
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"Help Please-Explanation Needed"
Sat 09-Feb-13 04:56 PM by treadwl


I am appealing to the experts out there for help in understanding this photo. This was taken with a Nikon D200 using the Nikon 300mm f4 lens. It is about a 40% crop. What I would like to know is why the dwarf looking elk in the lower left corner looks like a dwarf? Is this just the result of a long lens compressing the elements in the photo? I've had this photo in my files for several years and it always disturbs me. I've never had this happen with this lens at any other time. So who wants to tackle an explanation?

I await the wisdom of the many sages out there. Thanks.

Larry


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Reply message RE: Help Please-Explanation Needed Gamecocks Silver Member
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Gamecocks Silver Member  Joanna, US  Nikonian since 22nd Jul 2010 Sat 09-Feb-13 06:40 PM
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Hi Larry,

Interesting photo. I would believe that if the lens compressed the elements that the immediate area near the dwarf would be likewise changed. Dwarfs do happen at times in all animals and perhaps this is one such occasion. Looking forward to what the knowledgeable experts take is. Thanks for sharing a unique photo.

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Dubes Silver Member Awarded for his high level of achievement and willingness to help others – most notably in wildlife photography.   Mississauga, CA  Nikonian since 16th Jun 2007 Sun 10-Feb-13 09:41 PM
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Certainly does present somewhat of a conundrum. I can see that the nose to tail angle might create somewhat of a shortening in terms of length, but it's the apparent difference in height that has me puzzled. The "dwarf" looks like he is standing in water, possibly partially covered by the grasses growing in the water and possibly in 6" of mud. It's also hard to tell how much the landscape inclines up from the shore line. Certainly has me stumped, unless it reall is a dwarf!

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Matto Silver Member  Glenwood, US  Nikonian since 20th Jan 2007 Sun 10-Feb-13 11:15 PM
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The body volume of the "dwarf" seems to be thew same as the others, allowing for the fact that it is nearly facing the camera. As also noted it is standing in high grass or water, nearly up to the knees. The antlers seem to be the same size as the other two. I think it is the same size as the others.

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jot2nik Gold Member  Troy, US  Nikonian since 11th Jul 2007 Mon 11-Feb-13 01:50 AM
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Larry, discovery, learning, teaching, this image is a wonderful teaching about lens and photography.
Looking at the dwarf face on, and the two reared up elk, if we were to measure between (as best we could) the antlers and the tip of the nose. How close would that be? The right rear leg of the dwarf and the reared up elk on the left, (elbow joint to wrist)?

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treadwl Silver Member  Sunrise, US  Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009 Mon 11-Feb-13 01:56 AM
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Thanks everyone. That photo has been bothering me for a long time. I know the dwarf was NOT a dwarf but that is is far as I can figure.

I appreciate all the responses.

Larry

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danshep Silver Member  Olympia, US  Charter Member Mon 11-Feb-13 02:07 AM
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The perception I see is that the far left elk is fatter, while he seems to have less length. That I think, is because he is turned more toward you.

Also, look at the distance between where his leg ends in the grass and where it shows up in the water. More lower leg to show.





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kenray Silver Member  Green Valley, US  Nikonian since 10th Oct 2008 Mon 11-Feb-13 05:57 AM
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I think it's just the perspective of the walking elk. Measuring from nose to brow (base of antlers) is basically the same for all three. I believe the one is standing in water. You can see the water in the lower left and the swath of grass the elk is walking in looks to be a band of the same green grass. I would imagine the perspective was a little further confused by the lense lengths natural foreshortening. Remarkablepicture though of the elk fighting with one casually walking by.

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Gamecocks Silver Member  Joanna, US  Nikonian since 22nd Jul 2010 Mon 11-Feb-13 01:22 PM
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So you figured out a way to crop the two fighting elk without cropping the other; that's neat Comparing the leg joint of the elk would suggest that the one in the water has only a few inches in the grass/water. He is walking at an angle away from the others so that would make his body seem foreshortened, imo. Imagine turning him in line with the others and they not being reared and it might suggest a younger elk as would his lack of interest in the others sparing.

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treadwl Silver Member  Sunrise, US  Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009 Tue 12-Feb-13 02:29 AM
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Thanks again everyone for the input. You all have given me much to think about. The comments about leg length and angles all make sense as you have explained them.

I appreciate the help.

I did go through my files and the dwarf elk with one antler is a full size elk and the oldest of the three. The fighting ones are all young males "practicing" for next fall.

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Morris in MT Silver Member Winner in the Nikonians 10th Anniversary Photo Contest   Townsend, US  Nikonian since 03rd Oct 2007 Tue 12-Feb-13 03:05 AM
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Very nice photo, Larry! I would love to get a "fighting" shot like this.
I agree with the others; slight compression from the lens maybe, but illusion, I believe is due mostly to body position, and location. The rearing two bulls just look bigger when they rear up; the walking bull is facing, and is in the low-lying wetland; and the two rearing bull a little higher in elevation too. All combine to make the walking bull look smaller. But, judging by the growth on his left anlter, hea is at least as old as the other two bulls.

Again, awesome capture!

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