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Kropotkin Registered since 02nd Dec 2012Wed 25-Sep-13 11:05 AM
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"Basic technique for bounce-flash"


Bicester, GB
          

Hi

I'm finding that I tend to use bounce-flash a lot. I point the flash at the ceiling, probably slightly angled rather than straight up. I rely on the bounced light to illuminate the subject.

The question is should I be using the wide-angle diffuser that comes attached to my SB-910 when I'm doing this? My understanding is that the diffuser is for wide-angle shots, not specifically for use in bounce flash, but that some people recommend using it when bouncing light off the ceiling.

Can anyone advise me?

thanks

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bens0472 Silver Member Charter MemberWed 25-Sep-13 06:50 PM
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#1. "RE: Basic technique for bounce-flash"
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Roswell, US
          

Hi Justin,

I think the best advice is to test the results you get using the wide angle diffuser and the results you get not using it. In general, if you're aiming your flash into the ceiling, the larger you make the reflection off the ceiling, the more diffused/soft the light will appear on your subject. So, spreading the light out with the wide angle diffuser will achieve this.

The downside, of course, is that the more you diffuse the light from your flash, the harder it must work to properly expose your subject. So, as flash diffusion increases, the output required for proper exposure also increases.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Ben

Ben

  

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Bob Chadwick Silver Member Nikonian since 12th Jan 2006Wed 25-Sep-13 06:55 PM
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Norcross, US
          

And its just not the ceiling. You can bounce the light out of the corners of a room as well for a different look. Watch out for colors on the surfaces you are bouncing off of.

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Luke_Miller Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2006Sun 05-Jan-14 12:38 PM
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Rural Virginia, US
          

>Hi Justin,
>
>I think the best advice is to test the results you get using
>the wide angle diffuser and the results you get not using it.
>In general, if you're aiming your flash into the ceiling, the
>larger you make the reflection off the ceiling, the more
>diffused/soft the light will appear on your subject. So,
>spreading the light out with the wide angle diffuser will
>achieve this.
>
>The downside, of course, is that the more you diffuse the
>light from your flash, the harder it must work to properly
>expose your subject. So, as flash diffusion increases, the
>output required for proper exposure also increases.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Cheers,
>Ben

I think this is an excellent synopsis and duplicates my experience. The more ceiling area illuminated by the flash the softer the light on the subject and the more of the background receiving illumination. The downside is the flash power required which sucks batteries and slows recycle times.

I recently shot a wedding reception in a hall with 24 foot ceilings using flash bounced off the ceiling. I mounted a very powerful unit (300 watt seconds) on my flash bracket and attached the wide angle diffuser. It took a little less than half power to get proper exposure at ISO 400 and f5.6. The quality of light was really nice and I was able to put light on much of the room so that the background was not dark like direct flash would have been. I got the flash specifically for this shoot and it did not disappoint.

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shaynec Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Jun 2009Tue 07-Jan-14 01:10 AM
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#6. "RE: Basic technique for bounce-flash"
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Ben, Can you tell me what light you used at your wedding reception? shayne

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Luke_Miller Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2006Tue 07-Jan-14 12:56 PM
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#7. "RE: Basic technique for bounce-flash"
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Rural Virginia, US
          

Shayne

I used a Cheetah Light CL-360

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shaynec Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Jun 2009Tue 07-Jan-14 01:54 PM
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#9. "RE: Basic technique for bounce-flash"
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Thanks Luke, I took some pictures at a reception in a large tent and realized I need to expand my horizons. shayne

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dboys Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Jan 2014Sun 05-Jan-14 12:10 PM
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#3. "RE: Basic technique for bounce-flash"
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Hope, US
          

The expert on this is Neil van Niekirk, http://neilvn.com/tangents/. His book On-Camera flash explains how to do exactly what you want. The camera is set to Manual exposure, the on-camera flash is set to TTL. His blog is your starting point.

Don

  

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Drbee Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Aug 2004Sun 05-Jan-14 06:04 PM
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#5. "RE: Basic technique for bounce-flash"
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I'll double Don's comments. I used Neil's book to open up a whole new world of on-camera strobe photography for me. I now use his techniques of on-camera, flagged and bounced strobes nearly every time I use a strobe.

I rarely point a strobe in the direction of my subject anymore.

Roger
It's still, ISO, aperture and shutter-speed, right?

  

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Ineluki Gold Member Nikonian since 03rd Aug 2011Tue 07-Jan-14 01:00 PM
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#8. "RE: Basic technique for bounce-flash"
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Nürnberg, DE
          

Sometimes I use my SB 910 with the wide-angle diffuser to get more light in the picture. I had used it from wide-angle to 200mm and it was always bounced flash.

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