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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Sat 01-Dec-12 01:04 PM
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"CLS weekend"


Canton, US
          

I am excited. I have my SB 600, 700, and 900 ready, and my SU 800 came this week. I have my copy of Mike Hagan's book The Nikon Creative Lighting System in hand. I have my mini studio with softbox, umbrellas and lightstands ready to go. I also have some good videos to watch from AdoramaTV. I have a couple victims (grandchildren) to torment. Muhahaha! So, I am going to learn a thing or two by the time I am done.

Class is now in session!

George

  

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John Bertotti Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Sat 01-Dec-12 10:41 PM
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Sat 01-Dec-12 10:42 PM by John Bertotti

Garretson, US
          

Sounds fun and maybe a little frustrating with the grandkods but fun! I will be interested to hear and see the results! Later Bertotti

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Sat 01-Dec-12 11:54 PM
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#2. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

Well, today I had domestic matters to take care of, namely cleaning and laundry lol. Tomorrow is more doable.

George

  

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John Bertotti Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Sat 01-Dec-12 11:57 PM
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Garretson, US
          

I suppose you could have taken a few shots of the laundry, then again maybe not! Hahahaha later Bertotti

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Sun 02-Dec-12 01:38 AM
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#4. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

Please, not the unmentionables!

George

  

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Mon 03-Dec-12 12:04 AM
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Mon 03-Dec-12 12:19 AM by gbowen

Canton, US
          

Here's a rather impromptu portrait of Brooke, my precocious granddaughter. She loves posing for her grampy.





I used my SU-800 to control my SB 900 in a softbox to camera left, an SB 700 shooting into an umbrella to camera right, and a snooted SB 600 behind and above Brooke to camera left. I also used a silver reflector to fill in the shadow areas under her chin and nose. D7000 was set to manual, all flashes were set to TTL. ISO 200, f7.1 at 1/125th. I was using my 85mm f1.8 AF-D. I am so rusty I forgot to check my aperture and shutter speed. Sometimes you just get lucky!

I think I was a bit off with the direction of the snoot as too much light spilled onto her nose area, casting a bit of shadow on her right eye. Ah well, this was a training session. I had fun doing it and I am getting more comfortable setting up and shooting with my small studio.

I did a bit of PP with PS 5 and Portrait Pro Studio. I am not adept at PP, but I gave it a shot.

Comments and CC?

George

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Nitehawk5169 Gold Member Nikonian since 22nd Feb 2010Mon 03-Dec-12 10:30 PM
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#6. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Williamstown, US
          

George,

I am sure from your previous posts, this is not your first use of flash but your first attempt with this setup. I like what you have done here. My only suggestion would be to change the lighting ever so slightly to eliminate the shadow under your granddaughter's right eye. This could be corrected in PP but you have indicated that this lighting thing is a challenge and I think you would feel more accomplishment to correct it in camera.

Mike

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Tue 04-Dec-12 01:40 AM
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Canton, US
          

It was actually my first attempt with a snoot. I either need to narrow the opening a bit, or change the angle by moving my subject out away from the wall more. The light needed to come from above and behind and just hit her hair. Ok, lesson learned.

Thanks, guys.

George

  

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John Bertotti Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Tue 04-Dec-12 12:13 AM
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#7. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Garretson, US
          

I like it but the shadow is distracting, I don't think it will take you much to correct it seems you did very well for the first time with this setup. Later Bertotti

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jgould2 Gold Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 13th Oct 2007Tue 04-Dec-12 04:13 PM
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#12. "RE: CLS weekend"
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El Segundo (Los Angeles), US
          

Hi George.

Looking good except for the shadow under the eye and on her left shoulder, should be easy solve by moving the hair light back and up. Great fun, isn't it?

JIM

  

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Tue 04-Dec-12 04:21 PM
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#13. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

>Hi George.
>
>Looking good except for the shadow under the eye and on her
>left shoulder, should be easy solve by moving the hair light
>back and up. Great fun, isn't it?
>
>JIM

Yes it is, Jim. My granddaughter is a natural. And to be honest, I was just experimenting. So making a small mistake like that is actually encouraging. I can only get better!

Thanks for the kind words.

George

  

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John Bertotti Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Tue 04-Dec-12 05:29 PM
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#14. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Garretson, US
          

Posting photos like this benefits us all! Thanks for stepping up. I learned a lot from your post here thanks! Bertotti

So what's next? More grandchildren or still life's?

Now one question, you mentioned the snoot, is this the product you were talking about?
http://www.garyfongestore.com/featured-products/lightsphere-collapsible-pro-kit.html
This kit looks very useful to me.
I have been eyeing it daily and your results above add to this desire. Thanks, I think.

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jgould2 Gold Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 13th Oct 2007Tue 04-Dec-12 05:58 PM
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#16. "RE: CLS weekend"
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El Segundo (Los Angeles), US
          

Hi John.

A snoot is anything that acts like a tunnel for the flash to travel through. The most common ones for speedlights are just flat pieces of stiff fabric that you wrap around your flash and attach with velcro. Then the flash is more like a flashlight beam.

JIM

  

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John Bertotti Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Tue 04-Dec-12 06:09 PM
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#17. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Garretson, US
          

An gotcha, doesn't mean the item in my link doesn't call to me a bit but with this in mind I could make something myself to experiment with. Thanks! Bertotti

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Tue 04-Dec-12 06:09 PM
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#18. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

I actually used a flexible dewshield from my little Celestron telescope. I had to wrap it around a couple times and secured it with some velcro. You can also make one from black heavy duty construction paper and tape. It's a simple device you can make for cheap.

I do have a question about the length of the snoot. I assume the longer the snoot, the narrower the beam? How narrow should you go? I suppose it depends on the effect you desire.

George

  

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jgould2 Gold Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his excellent and frequent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 13th Oct 2007Tue 04-Dec-12 06:27 PM
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#20. "RE: CLS weekend"
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El Segundo (Los Angeles), US
          

Hi George.

"I assume the longer the snoot, the narrower the beam? How narrow should you go? I suppose it depends on the effect you desire."

Exactly.

JIM

  

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Tue 04-Dec-12 07:24 PM
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#21. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

Ahhh, so I should make a narrow snoot to help with direction. Good. I have some black construction paper to play with. Fun, fun!

George

  

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Tue 04-Dec-12 06:14 PM
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#19. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

>Posting photos like this benefits us all! Thanks for stepping
>up. I learned a lot from your post here thanks! Bertotti

I'm very glad to help. The only way to learn is to just do it.

>So what's next? More grandchildren or still life's?

Actually I am planning an ambitious project for Christmas. I plan to photograph all 6 of my grandchildren and present my work as Christmas gifts to their families. (And to adorn my walls of course!)

George

  

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gkaiseril Gold Member Nikonian since 28th Oct 2005Tue 04-Dec-12 05:40 PM
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#15. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Chicago, US
          

Turn the camera upside down and have the flash light from below the subject.

George
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#9. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Rancho Cordova, US
          

George you're making me want to spend money I don't have...


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John Bertotti Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Tue 04-Dec-12 02:29 AM
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#10. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Garretson, US
          

I understand completely. Wish I had a breeding pair of sb910's!

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Tue 04-Dec-12 09:51 AM
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#11. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

>George you're making me want to spend money I don't have...
>
>

Haha, that happens to me all the time here!

George

  

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#22. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Wed 05-Dec-12 01:40 AM by barrywesthead

Kleinburg, CA
          

Bee-uu-tiii-ful, George!

Great lighting and post processing!

My approach (having constantly to make up for details overlooked at the shutter click instant): When you’ve got it 95% right try the last 5% in post processing. In this case nothing more than a few clicks with the clone tool.

I don’t often mess with other folk’s images but couldn’t resist. This may be sacrilege to “pure photographers” but I find it truly joyful stepping into the post processing creative process - "being in the zone". A little intervention goes a long way.

Barry
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John Bertotti Silver Member Nikonian since 01st Jul 2012Wed 05-Dec-12 01:24 AM
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#23. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Wed 05-Dec-12 07:14 AM by John Bertotti

Garretson, US
          

What distracts me the most are the four distinct light reflections in here eyes. Still a nice picture!



Barry I see you removed some of the light in her eyes, that seems more natural to me. Later Bertotti

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Wed 05-Dec-12 10:05 AM
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#26. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

Yeah, and I'm not sure what those were. Oh, wait, maybe the reflector I used to fill in under her chin. I was experimenting, so maybe that isn't needed. Or maybe I had it placed wrong. It was in front of her, resting on a prop and angled toward her.

George

  

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#24. "RE: CLS weekend"
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HIXSON, US
          

Actually, you have done too good of a job under her right eye. It makes the under the left eye look like it needs a little work.

BTW, if you are not familiar with the loupe shadow, you might look it up. The nose shadow is almost a good thing.

Charlie

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Wed 05-Dec-12 10:08 AM
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#27. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Canton, US
          

I see what you mean, Charlie. Light placement and angles are something I need to learn about. Ah well, school is in session!

George

  

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gbowen Gold Member Nikonian since 31st Mar 2011Wed 05-Dec-12 10:01 AM
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#25. "RE: CLS weekend"
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Wed 05-Dec-12 10:51 AM by gbowen

Canton, US
          

>Bee-uu-tiii-ful, George!
>
>Great lighting and post processing!

Thanks! It helps having a great subject to work with. Brooke is a natural.
>
>My approach (having constantly to make up for details
>overlooked at the shutter click instant): When you’ve got it
>95% right try the last 5% in post processing. In this case
>nothing more than a few clicks with the clone tool.

My daughter is good with Photo Shop. I'll get her to show me how to use it. Thanks for fixing that.

>I don’t often mess with other folk’s images but couldn’t
>resist. This may be sacrilege to “pure photographers” but I
>find it truly joyful stepping into the post processing
>creative process - "being in the zone". A little
>intervention goes a long way.

Step on in! I am doing this to learn and it's great. Love what you did with this.

George

  

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