Pocket Wizard remote question
Dumb question was thinking about getting a pw minitt1and a flextt5
I am trying to be cheap and rather than buying another flex for another flash I was wondering if I set a sb800 as master in the flex would it send ITTL info to another sb 800 set as remote
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#1. "RE: Pocket Wizard remote question " | In response to Reply # 0
laddad Nikonian since 14th Nov 2005Tue 31-Jul-12 12:18 AM | edited Tue 31-Jul-12 12:18 AM by laddad
I briefly looked at a video on the PW site last night. I too am interested in a MiniTT1 and FlexTT5. In time I would like the CS3 and two more FlexTT5s. I have three CS flashes (SB900, SB800 & SB600) and this would be quite nice. The only problem is the expense of the gear. I am 90% sure that the video said that a D900 could be used "on-top" of the MiniTT1 for this purpose. If it works for the SB900 or SB910 then it should also work for the SB800. Check out the instructional Video about this.
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Zoomer911 Nikonian since 14th Dec 2004Tue 31-Jul-12 11:29 AM
I saw the video as well but don't have the Sb900 only have few sb800's and a two sb600's so not sure if I want to spent the $ on the SB900 + I love my sb800's
I just purchased the MiniTT1 and 2 FlexTT5 from BH and will let you know if I can do the remote using cls from a master on the flex in a few days
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I would go through the manuals that you can down load at no charge.
You should note that when the Nikon Speedlights are used with the MiniTT1 and FlexTT5 the Speedlights are set to iTTL and not Master nor Remote. The PW system uses its own control language and system and trying to use both the PW control system and Nikon CLS\AWS is not advisable as the pref lashing by each of the control systems could interfere with the other system.
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wkilburg Registered since 03rd Apr 2011Tue 31-Jul-12 05:07 PM | edited Tue 31-Jul-12 07:11 PM by wkilburg
Pocket wizard uses their own controlTL language to communicate information to their TT5 product. I don't think an SB-800 on a flex would pick up anything but I'll give it try later and see what happens.
Edit: After some thought while driving back to my office, any flash used on a PW CTL device, which is all the TT1 and TT5's, has to be in TTL mode. A SB-800 would need to be in commander mode to send a signal to another unit via CLS. So you will just have to spring for another flex.
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No, the PWs use their own radio signals and the flashes are left in ITTL and not master and remote. You will need a Flex for each flash. I think you can use an SB 800/900 for a controller in the mini, but I have not tried it. I have used an SU 800 as a controller.
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DinoCardelli Registered since 19th Oct 2010Thu 02-Aug-12 10:12 AM
I just bought the entire package...
Mini and 3 Flex5's with AC controller.
It works GREAT !!! Just like the videos on line.
Just remember to always start with speedlight, then PW, then On camera...
You can control output with the AC controller...very useful and works fine in Manual or Auto mode...
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#7. "RE: Pocket Wizard remote question " | In response to Reply # 0
On camera: Mini + sb800 (set to "remote" to control flash values on camera & remote sb800's) - master / zone A
Remote: sb800 + Flex 5 (zone B)
On camera: Mini only
Remote sb800 (1) + Flex
Remote sb800 (2) set to SU-4 Optical Slave Mode: this unit will trigger by flash of sb800 (1)
2x sb800's need to be set as manual (not TTL) since no flash value control can be done with Mini on camera.
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wkilburg Registered since 03rd Apr 2011Sat 04-Aug-12 04:25 PM
These are all good replies. You can keep things fairly simple and just stay the course with PW's CTL triggers - TT1, TT5's and an AC3. It works. Or you can go complicated as you need to do a particular effect or shot. FWIW, here are a few things to know about PW.....
PW's work on 32 channels but they do some funky stuff with their channels groups. Standard channels 1-16 for example are normal triggering channels, 17-32 are standard but can be used in Quad zone mode where you can group devices into any of four zones on a channel. Channels 1-20 support CTL commands which are the CLS type commands for exposure PW uses. Those can also support zones or groups within a channel. Further complications arise when you consider older triggers like the Plus and Plus II's. Some only supported 4 channels, 1-4. Others only 1-16. Read the PW wiki and your manual to understand how this all works.
Whats important to remember with todays Flex triggers is that the Mini TT1 fires off on every STD channel when triggered. It will trigger any PW. It will also fire on the CTL channels assigned in it's configuration selected, either C1 or C2. Same for the TT5 when used to trigger. I have C1 set up for pure CTL use and C2 for STD use on all my Flex units. You need an AC3 controller to use group functions with FLEX units. Or a SU-800 or commander type flash on the Mini TT1 or TT5 on camera.
I also use PW Plus III's (with Vivitar 285HV and Lumopro160) and Profoto AcuteR 1200 and Acute 600R packs. The R means they support PW, channels 1-32 and quad zones as well. And I use a Sekonic L-358 with RT-32CTL module to trigger it all some times. It all works. Thats whats neat about radio triggering using Pocketwizard products. You can mix and match and it all works. Keep a spreadsheet on an iPad or iPhone to log your channels assignments if you need to. I tend to just put a small label on my trigger units with the channel and any group assigned to them.
Another thing that often gets forgotten is that the PW CTL system is not CLS based. Radio Popper does use CLS commands, PW does not. PW uses camera metering to determine exposure for flash on its own - similar to CLS, and sends that data. I have found that I tweak FEC more with CTL than I did with CLS. Your mileage and all that. I have also found that taking a "dummy" shot (or just trigger it manually) after a change helps. You can get some odd exposures if you make a major change on the fly, then snap the most important pic of the day. Its not a perfect system, but none are. You can do some amazing things though at some great distances in any terrain and conditions though. And there are other cool features too. Read the PW wiki for more info and use their web site.
I like radio triggering....I have some cheap chinese knockoff triggers that I use to trigger a camera, which is set up to use the Flex CTL and/or studio strobes....I can stand outside or inside, across the floor away from my camera and snap pics all day long. Or until the batteries die. This stuff can get crazy!
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Deleted as I noted Hitoshi has given the same answer I posted