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Danspoon Registered since 03rd Jan 2005Tue 23-May-06 02:31 PM
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"SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"


GB
          

Hi there,

I was on a shoot last night, D200 with a SB-800, every now and again it would fire off by itself, I didn't press the test by accident or anyhting like that as it was happening pretty much all night, very annoying as it's obviously wearing the battery charge down. Any idea's why this may be the case? I may be paranoid but I'm sure it was only happening when I had the difuse cup on... Although I'm not 100% on this as I was under too much pressure during the shoot to pay that much attention.

  

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avm247 Moderator Awarded for high skills in documentary architecture and aviation photography Charter MemberTue 23-May-06 05:06 PM
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#1. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Rancho Cordova, US
          

It could be due to static electricity. Make sure the camera and flash are both OFF when mounting dismouting the speedlight. Make sure the flash is secured to the hotfoot. Turn on the camera first, speedlight second. Turn off the speedlight first, camera second.

If it happens again, then I suggest bringing in both the camera and the speedlight to see if the tolerances on both are on the highside; it might be that the signals from camera to body are causing the flash to trigger prematurely (happened with some SB-28 and N90/F90 series bodies.)

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bclaff Silver Member Awarded for multiple contributions for the Resources Nikonian since 26th Oct 2004Tue 23-May-06 07:01 PM
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#2. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Vancouver (WA USA not Canada), US
          

Danny,

Although you say you pressed nothing I've found it very easy to accidentally hit the Depth Of Field (DOF) preview which causes a modeling flash on the D200.
So I turned OFF setting e4.

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Mustang Registered since 26th Jun 2004Wed 31-May-06 09:40 PM
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#3. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Riverview, CA
          

I have experienced the exact same issue with my D200 / SB800 combo . I've tried every conceivable brand of battery with no success .The flash will just fire on it's own at random . Very frustrating . This exact same flash unit works flawlessly on my F5 . I've Called Nikon tech about it and they acted as though I was the very first person to report this issue . They had no fix other than to suggest I return the camera and flash unit for testing . So far , I have not sent the camera in .

  

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bmoralesii Registered since 08th Jan 2005Thu 01-Jun-06 01:51 AM
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#4. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Bakersfield, US
          

I just recently experienced this too. Not only did the flash fire on it's own randomly, sometimes the AF-Assist light would come on. I just posted a question on Nikon's support site and am still waiting for a reply.

  

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Danspoon Registered since 03rd Jan 2005Thu 01-Jun-06 05:21 PM
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#5. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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GB
          

Taking it back to get repaired will be a nightmare, I'm a working photographer, although I do have a D70 to back me up, going back to the camera feels like a time warp!

I tried the suggestions about but to no avail. It's still doing it, which is very frustrating, especially when your looking straight at it when it fires!

  

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Mustang Registered since 26th Jun 2004Thu 01-Jun-06 07:05 PM
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#6. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Riverview, CA
          

No question , the thought of having to return both the camera and the flash to Nikon for evaluation is not very appealing .

  

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Danspoon Registered since 03rd Jan 2005Thu 01-Jun-06 09:54 PM
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#7. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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GB
          

Just come back from a shoot now, it did it once tonight which I remember seeing, it could have done more but I'm not 100%.

:/

Still 1 is better than the other night which was like every 10 mins....

On a brighter note (pun intended) I just bought myself the 10.5mm fisheye, mucho fun!

  

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#8. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Irwin, US
          

Same combination did this to me twice Saturday night. It happened while walking with both on. Could be the contacts are not making good a solid connection when the camera and speedlight are not vertical and setting off the flash. I not sure exactly, just a guess.

It didn't hurt anything, I'm not worried about it yet, but I'll keep an eye on the hotshoe to look for burn marks.

Greg

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Mustang Registered since 26th Jun 2004Sat 03-Jun-06 11:45 PM
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#9. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Riverview, CA
          

I just thought I'd add this comment for whatever it's worth on this issue . When I attach an SC17 sync cord , the flash performs flawlessly . The sync cord attaches to the D200 very snugly , so perhaps there is just a bit too much free play between the D200 hotshoe and the SB800 . With this in mind , I was able to make the SB800 fire , just by wiggleing it back and forth while it was attached . If this ends up being the case , I suspect that it likely will end up being an issue that I will have to live with .

  

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bmoralesii Registered since 08th Jan 2005Mon 05-Jun-06 11:37 PM
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#10. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Bakersfield, US
          

That is what Nikon Support suggested to me after a few email exchanges.

I tried different combinations (with and without the MBD200, with and without the 5th battery on the SB800), and I noticed that this happened much more frequently with the MBD200 attached (with the controls locked).

I also tried the SB800 on the D70, and so far I haven't seen the same behavior.

  

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ddarmali Registered since 07th Jun 2006Wed 07-Jun-06 09:12 PM
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#11. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Same problem happend with me. The only thing I notice is, it happend when the SB800 goes into stand by mode (which in my case set at 40 sec). I am going to call Nikon today, see what they say.

No problem when I pair it with my F5 or F80.

  

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#12. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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GB
          

Let us know what they say?

  

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ddarmali Registered since 07th Jun 2006Sat 17-Jun-06 05:58 AM
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#13. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Hello,

Finally, they got not much idea why it happend. They decided to just exchange it with a new one.No problem with a new one. I suggest just get a replacement if you can. It seems this is just a manufacturing problem.

  

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#14. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Bakersfield, US
          

>Hello,
>
>Finally, they got not much idea why it happend. They decided
>to just exchange it with a new one.

Can you clarify which item they exchanged, the D200 or the SB800? And did they replace it right there and then or did they run it through some tests first for a few days? Thanks.

  

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#21. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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you know, I have a D50 and a sb-800 and mine does the same thing. When I move the camera around the flash will go off, its not a full powered flash but it flicks on like I hit the test button. It is really annoying because it can go off several times during a shoot almost 10-15 times. I try removing the flash and putting it back on and it won;t stop doing it. The flash does wiggle a little bit on the camera, but not much.

Sometimes the flash won't fire at all after it goes into stand by. I have to remove the flash and put it back on in order for it to go off.

I am going to try removing the 5th battery and see if it helps.

  

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#15. "same thing happens with my sb28"
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south salem, US
          

my sb28 fires off randomly when it is mounted on my n90s. it works perfect on all my other cameras. nikon said it was a static elecricity. my local camera shop said it was a voltage difference between the camera and the flash. i just stopped using the flash with that body. good luck.

  

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#16. "RE: same thing happens with my sb28"
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Riverview, CA
          

Well , an unfortunate update to my D200 / SB800 random firing issue .
Today , in the middle of a shoot , my SB800 completely died . At first I thought it was a battery issue , but , it was not . The light
is stone cold dead . To add insult to injury , the light is 30 days past the warranty date . So , I had to buy another new SB800 .
I was not very happy . 2 years of random use is not a very impressive lifespan for something at this price level . But , what can you do ? Life goes on .

  

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#17. "RE: same thing happens with my sb28"
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Irwin, US
          

I would contact Nikon. I had a Chevy van that was 5,000 miles out of warranty when the transmssion failed. Beacuse I had a good history of customer loyalty and have owned several
GM vehicles, the coverd it

D200, D70, Nikkors:12-24 f/4, 17-55 f/2.8 DX, 105mm F/2.8 Micro VR, 70-200 f/2.8 VR, 50mm f/1.8, TC 1.7II
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#18. "RE: same thing happens with my sb28"
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Eisenberg, DE
          

I would also try Nikon. They are known for their good customer support.

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#19. "RE: same thing happens with my sb28"
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Riverview, CA
          

Well , my saga continues . Just as I was packaging up my SB800 to send back to Nikon for evaluation , I decided almost as an afterthought , to remove the 5th battery holder , and try it with the regular latch and 4 batteries . Low and behold , the SB800 fired right up with no hesitation . Although I simply have not had the time to try it at length , it seems to work perfectly . Go figure . I put the 5th battery holder back on , and it's dead . Upon inspection , the contacts inside the 5th battery holder look fine . No corrosion whatsoever . I decided to gently rub all the metal contacts with super fine steel wool to re polish them . The 5th battery holder now seems to work perfectly and all seems well . So , I will be using this Speedlight extensively over the next day . I will report back if there is any effect on the random firing issue .

  

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#20. "Creepy, huh?"
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Ventura, US
          

Our SB800 went off by itself once during standby on our D2x when it's off (camera off). It scared the s--- out of us because it's awfully bright like full power studio strobe lights. We know what's the problem, it's the bad battery leaking. We took out the batteries and one of them are leaking so we replaced it, then it stay off during standby mode. Battery leaking is the major problem with all flashes for some reason. Just replace the batteries and results will come out fine.

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Danspoon Registered since 03rd Jan 2005Tue 11-Jul-06 03:10 PM
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#22. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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GB
          

It seem like we are not alone.

lol

Well, I thought mine had some how sorted itself out, because it hadn't done it for quite some time, and then last week Thursday night and Saturday night it was firing like crazy.

I think I'm going to see about swaping it at the dealer for a replacement.

  

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#23. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Riverview, CA
          

Just an update . Ever since I cleaned the contacts in the door on the 5th battery holder ,my SB800 has been greatly improved. It used to fire at random very frequently . In a 3 hour shoot , probably 20 times . I am now several days into using it and it has not randomly fired even once . Knock on wood .

  

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#24. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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GB
          

that's cool.

I wasn't using the 5th holder on my previous 2 shoots but I was using a Quantum Turbo, and I 've used that before loads of times, with no issues either... arrrg.... frustrating!

  

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danmit Registered since 14th Aug 2006Sun 20-Aug-06 06:16 PM
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#25. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Oradea, RO
          

Hi everyone. I have the same problem, with quiet larger frequency (observed in 4 shooting sessions). I do weddings every saturday, sometimes on sundays too and I must rely on my gear. I own a Nikon D200 (2 months old) and one sb800 flash (Sold my D70 to buy an Fuji S3 in the future), Nikkor 17-55 lens, Nikkon 50/1.8 lens and an old SB-25 (still working, but not used in the last year). After using D200 with SB800 in 2, 3 sessions I observed this flashes from speedlight, with no rule for them, trying just to keep camera in hand and flash doas ocur, not presing any button (nor the preview), so I asked Nikon about it. I'm from Romania and bought D200 at Adorama in US, so I registered camera on Nikon USA - I aske3d fpr help on Help center on the web ant they adviced me to go in my coutry to the nearest nikon service center.
The problem does occur with MB-D200 or without it, with 4 and 5 batterie (Ni-MH from powerex, in perfect condition - same setup worked flawlessly on D70 for 1 and half year), contacts on camera and on flash clean (actually bes results for leaking batteries, to clean the contacts is to wipe the acid with coath with vinegar - yes - it neutralizes and cleans acid remains - and is not corozive - do not try abrazive). So is not about batteries or contacts - could be about diference of voltage in camera's flash trigger - on the mount shoe. If I set SB-800 for wireless rempte (as it being slave) it workes just fine. Wonder if any one got some good explanation from Nikon, other then changing the speedlight unit or camera.

  

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#26. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Bromley, GB
          

As with other posters I have this weekend had similar problems with D200/SB800 set up. I have noticed play (forwards/backwards) on the camera shoe/flash fitting which is obviously the cause of the problem. I have reverted to using an SC17 cable and stroboframe bracket. Problem seems to have gone away, at least for the moment. I intend to visit Nikon UK. tomorrow, I will let you know the result.

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#28. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Irwin, US
          

>As with other posters I have this weekend had similar
>problems with D200/SB800 set up. I have noticed play
>(forwards/backwards) on the camera shoe/flash fitting which
>is obviously the cause of the problem. I have reverted to
>using an SC17 cable and stroboframe bracket. Problem seems
>to have gone away, at least for the moment. I intend to
>visit Nikon UK. tomorrow, I will let you know the result.


I agree, I never had it happen with the SC-29 and Stroboframe. A loose fit is mot likely the cause.
Greg

D200, D70, Nikkors:12-24 f/4, 17-55 f/2.8 DX, 105mm F/2.8 Micro VR, 70-200 f/2.8 VR, 50mm f/1.8, TC 1.7II
18-200 VR II, three SB-800

  

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Chalkieman Registered since 27th Sep 2003Tue 22-Aug-06 06:18 PM
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#30. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Bromley, GB
          

Further to my posting yesterday. I visted Nikon HO. today and came away thoroughly disappointed with the service received from the receptionist in 'the service dept' I will not report fully what happened other than to say that my problem was met with total disinterest and apathy. I am now a very disillusioned Nikonian.

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nyc_shots Registered since 14th Jul 2006Sun 27-Aug-06 03:07 PM
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#34. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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New York, US
          

Possibly a problem with the receptionist. Maybe you should try to talk with someone in charge. I've had good responsiveness with US support phone representatives so far with 1.5 issues. The second problem is currently being investigated. The first problem was dealt with very well.

  

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NikonMeister Registered since 22nd Aug 2006Tue 22-Aug-06 06:48 AM
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#27. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Springfield, US
          

Mine has done the same. Seems I thought I had hit a button or DOF or other holding the camera and causing it to fire. Now I wonder if we have the problem/s ... is it to do more with MB-200's cause I have one too. Or can it be the extra voltage of the 5th battery on the SB-800?

I also just was thinking could the auto rotation cause such a thing.
Seems funny when I place the charged battery/s in the camera its green light on the back comes on then goes out.
Beginning to wonder if there are a few gremlins within.

I don't like What if's

Cheers!

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NikonMeister Registered since 22nd Aug 2006Tue 22-Aug-06 04:51 PM
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#29. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Springfield, US
          

Hey thats a Idea.. that that lens cap may create somewhat of a static build up. I myself am not sure. I have read most of these post and most issues have been metioned yet non as a common.
I use that D200 and the SB800 with xtra battery and I know I didn't have any static generating clothing on. The only thing other then that is the Tamerac belt, Backpack and the camera strap that are all Tamerac.
I think that there is a gremlin in the camera or flash and I talk to my local camera GURU and he said call tech and see what they offer as a solution. He had mentioned primarly what has been already posted in this topic. "Old Days metal cameras and Flash bodys were subceptible to static causing the flash to fire."

Any thoughts other then we need to post Nikon till they find a resouloution.

Cheers!

Well TO ADD I just called Nikon and told them about this issue and the post here in the Nikonian.org. He said they havent heard of this issue before. ??? He asked me to set my flash to always on and to try that. well while on hold from laying on the desk I picked it up and it strobed 3 times and took a picture.. OK...
well he recommends to send in the camera and flash...
Got off phone and was telling wife about it powered the camera up and then the flash letting it sit on the desk while I tell her and i picked it up and it flashed like 8-10 time took several shots.

right now I have powered it up and its sitting on deskand I wait approx 1 min.and now nothing. so again I wait and try sevral things from flash settings in camera and flash unit both.
Well I have tried several thinga yet fo awhile and nothing.. so the problem is there yet it leaves me to belive that I will have to send it in for a go over.

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mikeacollins Basic MemberThu 24-Aug-06 11:56 PM
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#31. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Kalispell, US
          

Mine started going off my itself after shooting a large number of shots at a wedding. The flash was quite warm when it started. I cleaned the contacts and turned it off for a little while but it keep doing it. It has not done it since then but I have not taken enough shots with the flash to get it warm.

Mike

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hkeynes Registered since 06th Apr 2006Fri 25-Aug-06 09:02 AM
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#32. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Guildford, GB
          

hi had the same problem with my D50 if i tilted the camera forward it would fire the flash (some times) but it has not happened with my D200 (to date)

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jgio33 Basic MemberSat 26-Aug-06 11:22 PM
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#33. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Clifton, US
          

Same problem here. I think it happens more when the flash gets warm as well.

  

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Guitarmaniac Registered since 02nd Dec 2005Mon 28-Aug-06 03:29 AM
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#35. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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US
          

Here is what I found to be true with my SB600. the flash does not mount snuggly enough to the hot shoe on the camera, in most cases a slight twist of the flash unit will re align the connections. and when I say slight I mean just a little. you will notice the flash has some axial play when mounted to the camera, as well as front to back play as well.
Nikon really neads to address this issue, sure the flash is fine on a tripod! but most headaches accure when the camera and flash are being used while moving.

***The following works for me, however your results may be different, also this IS NOT an official recommendation, just a description of works for me***
I use two very thin guitar picks slid between the flash and and hotshoe to take up the front to back slop, then I give the flash a slight twist clockwise and lock the unit down. and the flash works perfectly afterwards.

Paul

  

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Lax9Dan Registered since 07th Dec 2005Thu 14-Sep-06 12:08 PM
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#36. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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I have the same issue with a D50/SB-600 combination.

Has anyone sent both camera and flash to Nikon and if so, what was the result?

  

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Planefreek22 Registered since 27th Jan 2006Fri 15-Sep-06 01:30 AM
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#37. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Del Mar, US
          

same issue on my D50. I'm starting to think it is the connection. While the little switch thing is nice for quick mounting, this may be a side effect.

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cameraguy Registered since 05th Nov 2003Fri 15-Sep-06 01:05 PM
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#38. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Wow, I thought I was going crazy. I've got 2 D200's that are doing this with 2 SB-800's. I can make them fire by wiggling a bit, but not consistently. Guess I'll call Nikon.

  

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NikonMeister Registered since 22nd Aug 2006Fri 15-Sep-06 05:24 PM
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#39. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Springfield, US
          

Well so far in my earlier post I had the issues. Now I have since then take time to make sure my contacts are clean and be sure the flash goes on and seats.

I have used flash on numerous occasions since and I have not had the problem since. I think I can agree with the post that said SHOULD you have the sloppy mount problem to try thin guiter picks to wedge in "once the flash it mounted."

Thomas
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Danspoon Registered since 03rd Jan 2005Thu 12-Oct-06 03:25 PM
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#40. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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GB
          

Damn and blast! my original problem seemed to disappear for a while, and then last night on a job it came back with a vengence! This time it was firing10/20 times a minute, plus the infared focusing was going off, and (I don't know what it's actually called but) the function when it lights up for a few seconds to check shadows? that was firing off once or twice a minute!

I switched to the flash chord, and fine, no problems at all! So it's my camera! crikey.

  

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Chalkieman Registered since 27th Sep 2003Thu 12-Oct-06 07:03 PM
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#41. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Bromley, GB
          

Hi Danspoon, it is obvious that you, myself and many others have the same problem with our D200's and SB800 flash units. I have used my flash on other D200's with no problem, so I am convinced that the fault lies with my cameras hotshoe. I have used the camera with a bracket and SC17 cord,again no problem. Both items are now with Nikon UK for testing. The receptionist at Nikon suggested the fault might be due to, I quote 'a faulty earth'. I will keep you posted.

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cliddell Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Oct 2006Mon 25-Dec-06 06:30 PM
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#42. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Pietermaritzburg, ZA
          

In the interests of a rounded commentary on the SB-800:

I have had an SB-800 on my D70s switched ON for days at a time and (touch wood) never had a spurious "flash". There is a slight bit of play in the hot shoe connector but it has never been a problem.

It also has performed faultlessly in Commander/Remote mode, although it does seem to "prefer" to place the white end of the histogram at about the 3/4 mark on the scale when using this remote setup and even when increasing flash compensation to +1 or +2 it still seems to prefer to "preserve" highlights.

Regards,
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gaopa Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Jul 2003Wed 27-Dec-06 01:12 PM
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#43. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Hartwell, US
          

My SB-800 is doing the same thing on my D200. Now the D200 will not fire the flash at all, just the intermittent flash on its own. I am traveling now, but when I return home I am sending the flash and D200 to Nikon repair. This is the first Nikon malfunction I have ever experienced and I must say that when the SB-800 is functioning properly on the D200 it is the best flash I have ever used. Cheers, Bill P.

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HBB Moderator Hal is an expert in several areas, including CLS Awarded for his excellent article contributions to the Resources. Charter MemberWed 27-Dec-06 02:42 PM
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#44. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Phoenix, US
          

Colleagues:

Thanks to all of you for a very interesting thread. I can feel your frustration, and admire the patience and restraint all of you exhibit.

As a point of reference, I would like to contribute the following observation.

I have twelve SB800s which are regularly used on a pair of D2X bodies. One or two of them are typically used on the cameras in master mode, while the rest are used as remotes on tripods, super clamps, etc. I make no distinction between those used on-camera and those used as remotes. I simply pull them out of their case and configure them at random. These units were purchased over a one year or so interval.

Over the last two years, in dozens of complex night shots, I have never had a single instance of an SB800 firing spontaneously.

Reading this thread suggests that there may be something going on that is D200/SB800 specific. Later this week I will take my D2X bodies in to my local dealer and compare their hot shoes with a D200 to see if there are any macro or micro differences.

More later,

HBB in Phoenix, Arizona

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HBB Moderator Hal is an expert in several areas, including CLS Awarded for his excellent article contributions to the Resources. Charter MemberSat 30-Dec-06 05:16 PM
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#45. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Phoenix, US
          

Nikonians:

As promised, I compared a pair of D2X bodies with a new D200 and an SB800 at my local dealer. Observations follow.

The hot shoes on all cameras appear identical in every respect. They look like they came out of the same bin during camera assembly. Without micrometers, I would say they are dimensionally identical in every respect.

Mounting an SB800 in the hot shoes produced similar results. The degrees of freedom in side to side and forward and back movement also appear identical across all three cameras.

With the SB800 mounted on a D200 and both units turned on, I was unable to obtain a spontaneous flash by wiggling the SB800 in the shoe. I tried this several times.

I was able to get the SB800 to fire under the following circumstances while mounted on a D200.

1) By pushing the shutter button all the way down, as if taking a picture.

2) By pressing the Depth of Field preview button, which turns on the modeling light while the lens is stopped down to the selected aperture. In the D2X, if the "Modeling Flash" button is turned to "On", the SB800 will fire a burst of pulses while the aperture is stopped down. While I did not check the manual, I suspect this function works similarly in the D200.

3) By pushing the Function Button, below the preview button. Note: If an SB600 or SB800 is attached to a D2X and the Function Button is in the default mode, the Flash Value will be captured and locked. This necessarily involves firing a "Preflash" from the SB800 in order to capture reflected light from the subject and perform the exposure calculation. While I did not check the details of the D200, I suspect the Function Button in the default mode operates similarly.

4) By pressing the red "Flash" button on the back of the SB800.

Conclusion: It does not take much pressure to trigger either the Depth of Field preview or the Function buttons on the D200 while handling it. I suggest all those experiencing spontaneous SB800 firings examine their handling procedures to see if this might be occurring.

In the early days of my D2X experience, I was forever hitting the vertical mode shutter release which caused the image on the LCD to disappear while examining it. It took me a while to realize this and lock this shutter button except when using it.

Let me know if this helps.

Regards,

HBB in Phoenix, Arizona

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#46. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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You know I had the same problem with my SB26. Would rapidly multi fire flashes of its own accord, randomly, even when I was just taking it out of the bag (it was in standby at a wedding) not even connected to the camera!
I was starting think it was connected to the wireless slave function being set off by some interference (mobile phones??)
Following this with interest as I will probably look at an SB800 down the track to use with my new D200.

  

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#47. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Miami Beach, US
          

>Hi there,
>
>I was on a shoot last night, D200 with a SB-800, every now
>and again it would fire off by itself, I didn't press the
>test by accident or anyhting like that as it was happening
>pretty much all night, very annoying as it's obviously
>wearing the battery charge down.





Thank you for this. It is comforting, in an uncomforting way, to know that I am not the only one having this problem.

I am beginning to experience a crisis of faith with my equipment.

My D70 started showing strange electrical problems after only 3 months of using it for work. It was JUST over a year old. From reading the forums I don't think it falls under the BGLOD service offer, because I don't recall ever seeing the light blink. I would get CHA (or CHR, which is it?) often when I put a new CF card in or turned on the camera. Also received weird errors like "this image can not be zoomed" and then the whole CF card would be corrupted and I would need recovery software to get the images off. I also got the flashing OFF while I was working and then the whole camera would just stop working.

And on the D70 I had trouble getting the SB-800 to stay in the hot shoe. It was always unlock itself and on one occasion it fell off the hot shoe and onto the concrete ground. The flash still works, amazingly, but the LCD display is unreadable.

So I upgraded to a D200 and a new SB-800 unit. This flash unit also unlocks itself multiple times a night and on Sun night (New Year's Eve!) just as I am starting work it falls off AGAIN!

It was right after the fall that the flash started popping on its own. Not a full powered flash like when you hit the test button, just a little pop. Enough to be IRRITATING AS HELL, not to mention annoying my subjects who are confused by all the flashing. And yes, it runs down the battery quickly. Also saw the problem with the autofocus assist light coming on by itself, even when my finger wasn't on the shutter release. And then at times when I would press the shutter release to start the AF it wouldn't respond.

Naturally I thought the problem was due to the fall so I grabbed my old, unreadable but working, SB-800 but that one was doing the same! So I had to work the full night with this stupid flash going off at random times and sucking up my batteries.

Also seeing other errors in the month prior to all of this: The D200 would sometimes fire repeatedly as if on Continuous even though I have it set to Single all the time. I also have had a lot of problems with the AF. It would flash the in focus light even though the AF never moved, and sure enough the picture is wildly out of focus ( example: first picture is something far away, focus, shoot, all is well. Next subject very close, focus shows as "in focus" even though I never felt the motor move and it looks blurry in the viewfinder, sure enough the picture is out of focus.) And the focus lock is the worst I have ever used. It slips all the time even when I don't change my pressure on the shutter button.

Both the new SB-800 and the D200 are only two months old. I always use the grip on the D200 when I work. Taking it off is not an acceptable, long term option for me.

So I have two flash units that won't stay on the camera, and both have suffered a hard fall onto concrete because the locking switch doesn't stay locked. I had to buy a $15 roll of tape just to secure my $300 flash unit onto my $1300 camera. I have a D70 that is virtually unusable after 3 months of heavy use, and a D200 that is dying after 2 months of heavy use. The D70 is too erratic to rely on while I send the rest in for repair so I had to buy another !@#$%^&* camera body so I can continue to work while the rest of my gear goes off to Nikon!

!@#$%^&*!!!!!!!!!!

I miss the mechanical days when the worst that would happen is your camera gets run over by a truck.






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cage Registered since 05th Jun 2006Thu 04-Jan-07 05:05 PM
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#48. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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I dropped my SB-800 in the parking lot and the EXACT same thing
started happening to me.

I changed the batteries and it is now normal again...very scary!

  

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Danspoon Registered since 03rd Jan 2005Thu 04-Jan-07 05:58 PM
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#49. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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GB
          


>I miss the mechanical days when the worst that would happen
>is your camera gets run over by a truck.

hahahahaha hlol...

Or in Don McCullins case, a bullet.

  

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#50. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Austin, US
          

I'm trying to decide whether to get a SB-800 to go with my new D80. Right now I'm using my SB-28 but honestly, I'm not very good with that combo.

My SB-28 had that random firing thing going on (which is why I'm posting here) and I would rather not go thru that nightmare again. Not just the random firing, but the months it took to get it repaired correctly. In that case, it was the flash foot that needed replacing.

Anyway, I see that the S200 and D50 seem to have the problem with the SB800 ... has anyone heard anything about the D80+SB800?

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NikonMeister Registered since 22nd Aug 2006Sat 06-Jan-07 08:18 AM
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#51. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Springfield, US
          

I havent heard of any problems with that combo. I also think id you get tthe SB-800 you will be quite happy with it.

I still tend to lean towards these missfires happening by either ill seated flash upon the hotshoes, or not locked good enough that you might have to even use a thin guitar pick "Plastic" as another user posted to reduce the wobble.
I believe my problem was eniterly the way I placed it in the camera.
Also note I did give all my gear a once over. get a proper cleaning clothand clean your termanal ends and the hotshoe, reducing the chance of any foriegn oils or other presence from collecting leading to missfire possibility. Another thought I had was maybe a battery could me breaking down "something to watch for" that may cause a trigger of such.
I can say the new camera you are going with I think you will be happy with the combination. I enjoy my D200 with all the settings and options.

I have yet to achieve where I want to be in photography and maybe never will, but I can't get any worst so I can only improve!.

  

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#52. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Austin, US
          

I own a SB600 and SB800 with my D200; the 600 fits snugly and has never shown the erratic behavior, but the 800 is slightly loose and does exhibit the random weak flash behavior. I can generally "provoke" the behavior by gently rocking the SB800 in the shoe, after verifying the flash is mounted properly and the pin has dropped. Also, if I use a ProMaster TTL extension cord, the type that has a wheel tightener to firmly lock it into the camera hot shoe, the erratic flash never occurs.

So here's my working hypothesis, based upon this somewhat limited evidence - the flash depends upon the main metal tab to establish the ground connection with the hot shoe. There are two small prongs that extend sideways from the flash foot, centered and just above the metal, that move when the locking lever is twisted and aid in holding the flash firmly in the shoe. If all is not snug, then moving the foot in the shoe can cause a brief ground "fault", i.e. a momentary open circuit. The four signal connections are all spring loaded, and as far as I can tell maintain solid contact even with
thea loose fit.

To test this theory I applied a SMALL amount of heat sink electrically conductive compound, the white creamy type, on the edges of the flash shoe metal. After doing so, I was not able to provoke the erratic behavior, so I assume I created a good ground connection that was maintained even with the rocking moiton. If anybody wishes to try the same experiment, be careful, the stuff is highly conductive and can easily spill over to one of the four contact pads. After a few insertions/removals and some rag work, a thin layer remains which I hope will prevent further occurrrences of the erratic flash behavior.

Richard Southworth

  

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DRWedge Registered since 14th Oct 2002Sun 07-Jan-07 07:31 PM
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#53. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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Bristol, US
          

I have been following this thread as I have been experiencing the same problem. After MANY random flashes at a party on Saturday afternoon, I called Nikon service last evening. Unfortunately, at that time my flash did not misbehave. The VERY personable and helpful Nikon rep (Carolyn) had me reset everything and because everything then appeared to be working as it should be, no further action was taken.

However, what I believe to be happening is during Nikon's manufacturing process it looks like they have a wide allowable tolerance for the camera hotshoe as well as the speedlight hotshoe connection. It appears this problem happens only in cases when you get a camera (D200 in my case) AND a SB800 which were both manufactured at the far end of their respective acceptable gap tolerance. If either unit was at the close end of the gap tolerance spread, it would compensate for the other. But if both are at the wide end, you get the known wobble and occasional flash misfire due to a poor connection.

I believe I have corrected the problem by cutting two small strips of the "ballistic" blister packaging we all know and hate because of how difficult packages are to open without a Ginsu knife. I then rubber cemented a strip on each side of the upper (plastic) portion - of the speedlight hotshoe connection - above the metal slide. This appears to be just enough of a spaceer to remove the wobble, create a snug - but not tight - fit, and not interfere with any electrical connections. So far, so good. I'll let you know in a few days if this fix actually works.

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cliddell Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Oct 2006Mon 15-Jan-07 11:26 AM
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#54. "RE: SB-800 firing on it's own accord!"
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About half way through this thread I wrote that my SB-800 had never given trouble. Well it still had not - on the camera!

However, recently, I was busy with the SB-800 OFF the camera. I was setting it in the SU-4 Remote mode and had it in my right hand when my cell phone (GMS) received a SMS in my shirt pocket. The flash started firing randomly while the phone was doing it's thing.

I will remember this and especially these days, when anyone without a cell phone on the ear is odd, I will definitely "expect" spurious flashes when the SB-800 is set to SU-4 REMOTE. This would be exacerbated in an environment where many people may be using cell phones.


Regards,
Clive Liddell
Pietermaritzburg
South Africa

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