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"N80 & the SB50"


Breaux Bridge, US
          

Hi

When using the N80 with the SB28 flash as the main and SB50 as the fill (off- camera), can you also use the on-board flash with this set-up for portraits? How well does this set-up work, if at all?

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Lefty Basic MemberSun 22-Jul-01 03:15 AM
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#1. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Virginia Beach, US
          

Carolyn
The built-in flash on your camera can only be used with the SB50 on it - not the SB28, unfortunately. In order to use all three flashes in conjunction, you must use the SB50 on-camera, with built-in flash, and put your SB28 on the SU-4 unit(TTL wireless slave).They run about $80-$90 new.
IMO, that would be an excellent modest studio setup until your White-Lightenings arrive ...but watch out for those Calloways to appear in the garage or his car trunk

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#2. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Or you could use both larger flashes off camera using a TTL connection to the SB-28 (or an SU-4 wireless module) and using the SB-50 in its TTL slave mode or via a TTL cord connection.

Remember that the on-camera flash is easy to block with a larger diameter lens or a lens with a hood. Usually, I don't care for a strong light that comes from just above the lens. I prefer to use multiple flashes off the camera. The SU-4 comes with a diffuser that significantly tones down the built in flash while providing enough light to trigger the TTL remotes. I only use a hotshoe mounted flash when I have to and then I try to use it as a bounce flash if possible.

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#3. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Breaux Bridge, US
          

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the info.

Several White Lightnings would be great! Other people have recommended White-Lightnings as well. Maybe my husband will surprise me with a studio setup for my birthday.

I will think on the SB50.

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#4. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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The specs for the SB-50 says it has wireless slave capacity and I believe JRP mentioned it also in another thread. I believe you can fire the SB-50 remotely with the built in speedlight so you could also fire it with the SB-28 on the N80. Right? At least I think that is what it means.

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#5. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Hi mbowker64,

I am not sure. I just read the specs from the url you had posted with your message. I understand it can be use off-camera with the built-in flash, but I am not sure if can have the SB28 connected. I am new to all of this, so my understanding is slowwwww. Does anyone know for sure? I would like to know. I am leaning towards purchasing the SB50 and possibly in the future have a set of studio lights to develop more skills and of course, have tons of fun. Does anyone have any other recommendations or suggestions?

I have posted questions similar to this and have received some good suggestions. I appreciate all the comments I read here. Again, a big thanks to all of you.

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#6. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Salt Lake City, US
          

I don't own an SB-50 so I can't verify it personally, but I doubt it would be less versatile than other Nikon flashes.

I often use both my SB-28 and SB-22s off-camera. I've used two SB-28 units and an SB-22s as well using cords and an SU-4 wireless TTL slave. Mulitple flashes work with the N80's built in flash as well, although not when mounted in the hotshoe as the SB-50 will.

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#7. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Breaux Bridge, US
          

Thanks BJNciholls. It is finely started to sink in. I think.

If I understand all of this correctly,

1) I can use the SB28 and the SB50 off-camera with sc17 and sc19 cords,but not use the built-in flash with this setup

2)I can use the SB28 off-camera with sc17 and/or sc19 cords, slong with the built in camera.

3) I can use the SB28 off-camera with sc cords and have the sb50 on hot shoe and use the built-in flash

Is this correct? If not, would you mind trying to explain it to me just one more time? Please and thank you.

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afinegold Basic MemberMon 23-Jul-01 03:35 AM
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#8. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Bellevue, US
          

Just a quick question--does anyone have, or has anyone even seen (in person), the SB-50DX? I thought from other postings on the forum that the flash had not been released yet. I know that some stores (eg., Regency) are advertising, but not sure that means they actually have it yet.

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#9. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Salt Lake City, US
          

1) True. The SC-17 cord interferes with raising the flash on the camera.

2) False for the reason above.

3) False since you have to connect cords to the hotshoe the SC-17 cord.

Here are the issues:

You can use multiple flashes with TTL from the N80 either via cords or using wireless TTL slave options.

The N80 has only one place to connect to external flashes - the hotshoe. If you use the SC-17, you can't use the built in flash. However, you can use the built in flash if you use wireless modules.

Only the SB-50 allows you to use it mounted to the hotshoe with the on camera flash. A flash mounted in the camera's hotshoe prevents you from using cords to link to external flashes.

You can still use multiple external flashes (like your SB-28) via the SU-4 wireless remote. The SB-50 has the equivalent to a built-in SU-4.

Note: If the SB-50 has a TTL cord socket like the SB-28 does, that would change the possibilities, but I don't see a socket in the specs.

I hope that helps...

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#10. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Breaux Bridge, US
          

Thank you! I got it now. It helped very much.

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#13. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Victoria, CA
          

>Note: If the SB-50 has a TTL cord socket like the
>SB-28 does, that would change the possibilities,
>but I don't see a socket in the specs.

The SB-50DX has no sync socket.

You can get around this by emptying your wallet a little more and getting the AS-10 "TTL Multi-Flash Adapter" that provides a tripod socket and shoe along with three sync terminals.

I have a wack of Nikon literature sitting in front of me.

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#14. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Thanks Victor.



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#16. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Salt Lake City, US
          

The specific possibility I had in mind was using ttl cords with the SB-50dx mounted in the hotshoe. If it had a ttl socket, this would be possible. Since it doesn't, you have to use wireless options for additional flashes...

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vchong Basic MemberSat 28-Jul-01 04:32 PM
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#12. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Victoria, CA
          

You can use the SB-50DX in many different ways. Here are a handful of them:

1. SB-50DX mounted in the shoe of your SLR and used as a solitary speedlight;

2. SB-50DX mounted on a bracket and connected to your SLR through an SB-17 remote TTL cord;

3. SB-50DX mounted in the shoe of your SLR with a built-in speedlight and using both the SB-50DX and built-in flash in "double flash" mode to increase your effective guide number;

4. SB-50DX mounted on a bracket in "wireless slave" mode and with an SG-2 diffuser attached to the shoe of your SLR with a built-in speedlight to diffuse the built-in speedlight (which will be used as the master to trigger your SB-50DX wireless slave)

5. Two or more SB-50DX units; one mounted on your SLR's shoe or a bracket (through an SC-17 cord) set up as the wireless master, and all other SB-50DXs set up in wireless slave mode.

6. Same as above, except with the SW-9IR filter attached to the master SB-50DX, which performs the same function as above but uses infrared to trigger the slaves rather than visible light.

There are other combinations that I haven't listed but I think you get the idea that the SB-50DX is a pretty versitile little flash for not a lot of money.

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#15. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Breaux Bridge, US
          

Thanks. That is alot of options. This was also in terms I could grasp. Thanks again for you time.

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#17. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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I have a problem on using my SB50DX as slave to the master built-in speedlight. When I mounted the SB50 on a flash accessory shoe, I could not switch to the "wireless slave " mode in either automatic or manaul. Did I do anything wrong or miss some other accessories?

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#18. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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silly-can valley, US
          

LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-01 AT 08:08 PM (GMT)

> Did I do anything wrong or miss some other accessories

I don't think you do anything wrong except rationality.
what's your logic or value-added using slave mode while speedlight on camera. You don't need to set sb50 in
slave mode in order to use builtin speedlite & SB50 in parallel.

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#11. "RE: N80 & the SB50"
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Victoria, CA
          

LAST EDITED ON Jul-28-01 AT 06:13 PM (GMT)

Yes, you can fire the SB-50DX with the built-in speedlight of an F65, F70, F80, etc. or with another flash unit.

Alternatively (and this is kind of cool) you can put the IR filter on the front of the SB-50DX and trigger other SB-50DXs (or other speedlights mounted onto an SU-4 wireless module) using infrared which (unless you're shooting infrared film, of course) doesn't affect the exposure of your picture.

So yes, the sensor on the SB-50DX is responsive to both visible and infrared light. You can even fire the SB-50DX (in manual mode) with an infrared TV remote control if you are close enough to the sensor window and aim well!

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